Do you believe in evolution?

[GoldRock2 290]

If you believe in science instead of God, then you should be able to explain why it is that so much of science contradicts itself: especially in the theory of evolution.

For example, evolution states that our bodies are made from DNA, which is Deuro Neucloisic ACID. But when I took chemistry in highschool, we were taught that acid dissolves materials. How can we be made of acid? We'd dissolve.

 

Also, how can the big bang possibly be real? Again, real world experience shows that explosions destroy atoms of matter; there's no scientific example of matter being created during an explosion! Explosions by definition can only destroy, so how can anybody possibly support the Big Bang theory from a scientific perspective?

Your lack of scientific knowledge is possibly the problem here, rather than those particular scientific concepts not working - it looks like that's why Achilles has stopped responding. Take some time to research the concepts of DNA and the Big Bang... unless you want me to answer those questions for you? Though you can really answer them all through a Google search or two :P

 

What if something started to evolve millions of years ago? where are the half evolved? why dont we see what is ''between'' the 2 species, just what was ''before and after'' where are the middle ones?

We are the middle ones, all animals are 'half-evolved' so to speak...

 

Try reading my quoted answer above ^_^

 

This Topic is pointless....

 

Why do both sides need to argue???

 

If someone does or doesn't want to belive in evolution, regardless of the reason, it is that persons choice.

This is not a place were someone has to convince others about his own choice or belive.

Well, why not? I personally find such a discussion beneficial to both my knowledge and understanding of the issue, as well as giving the opportunity for me to learn about the beliefs of others.

Edited December 1, 2013 by GoldRock2

[Fen-Harel 1,176]

What if something started to evolve millions of years ago? where are the half evolved? why dont we see what is ''between'' the 2 species, just what was ''before and after'' where are the middle ones?

Because they are now dead. The common ancestor has evolved into another species, likely splitting into several sides. In our case the ape-like ancestor has evolved into the modern ape, and into the homo-sapiens we are now. We still have genetic and fossil evidence of this.

 

 

This Topic is pointless....

 

Why do both sides need to argue???

 

If someone does or doesn't want to belive in evolution, regardless of the reason, it is that persons choice.

This is not a place were someone has to convince others about his own choice or belive.

I am arguing for the case of evolution and I present my evidence for it. I do this because I do not want people having a false view of the world (it might be me, but I have provided evidence to the contrary and am yet to be countered). False beliefs lead to bad results or at the very least, don't you want to know what is true? Here in this particular topic there are 58% people who disagree with my case, and I will do my best to show that it is true. And I let them to do the same.

[Jayjey419 41]

Your lack of scientific knowledge is possibly the problem here, rather than those particular scientific concepts not working - it looks like that's why Achilles has stopped responding. Take some time to research the concepts of DNA and the Big Bang... unless you want me to answer those questions for you? Though you can really answer them all through a Google search or two :P

 

 

Well only reason is science is packed with load of B$ its fair to say some of it is correct, but when it comes to evolution and proving how the solar system was made, with this 'Big bang theory' Its total useless information. You can't fend for science saying we are the middle ones? Do you have proof for this? 

[GoldRock2 290]

Well only reason is science is packed with load of B$ its fair to say some of it is correct, but when it comes to evolution and proving how the solar system was made, with this 'Big bang theory' Its total useless information. You can't fend for science saying we are the middle ones? Do you have proof for this? 

In my opinion (and that of the majority of scientists), all animals are, in essence, half-evolved. All animals constantly continue to evolve, albeit at a very slow rate; we ourselves are half-evolved from prehistoric man, but we have yet to evolve further. In order words, all animals are constantly evolving.

 

Take the example of us. We have an appendix... but apart from having to have it removed every now and then when it becomes inflamed, what is it for? Well, nothing really, as far as doctors/scientists can tell... It's simply what remains of our old digestive systems, say scientists; as we consumed a lot more vegetables/plants than we do now, the appendix was needed to digest all that extra fibre. But once we started eating more meat, the appendix was no longer needed. In that way, we're half-evolved ourselves - we still have unnecessary bits and pieces in our bodies from the past.

 

A small example of evolution and natural selection:

 

- Take the prehistoric version of a horse-like creature, which consumed the leaves of certain trees.

- Now, those prehistoric four-legged animals that lived in hot countries had difficulty finding food; the trees there were quite tall, and so the leaves were hard to reach.

- By chance, due to a genetic mutation, a few of them were born with longer necks than the rest, and so could more easily reach the leaves closer to the top of the trees.

- These particular animals had a better chance of survival, and reproduced, producing more longer-necked horse-like creatures.

- Eventually, these particular animals evolved into its own species as their necks grew longer through each generation - the giraffe.

- The remaining, shorter-necked animals found ways of gradually changing their diet to grass (and other low-lying plants) in order to have a better chance of survival.

- There you have it - the prehistoric ancestors of giraffes and horses became two distinct species.

 

Of course, evolution is just a theory. However, I personally believe it is a well-supported, justified one.

As for the Big Bang, let's stay on the topic of evolution for now.

[Barghest 84]

I am arguing for the case of evolution and I present my evidence for it. I do this because I do not want people having a false view of the world (it might be me, but I have provided evidence to the contrary and am yet to be countered). False beliefs lead to bad results or at the very least, don't you want to know what is true? Here in this particular topic there are 58% people who disagree with my case, and I will do my best to show that it is true. And I let them to do the same.

How can you convince someone, that disaproves your belives?

 

People tried for thousands of years to convince other people of their belive. Most of the times different religions against each other, but that doesn't change the fact that fighting and arguing about it only ends in tragedy on either side. Hatred will emerge............ over something as trivial as this...... It is not worth it.

You belive in evolution, someone else doesn't and a third person belives something completly different, what does it matter. As long as everyone sticks to the basic rules in life: no stealing, no killing, be honest, don't do to others that you wouldn't be done to yourself.

 

Don't force people to belive what you belive, they will reject it even more.

[Fen-Harel 1,176]

How can you convince someone, that disaproves your belives?

 

People tried for thousands of years to convince other people of their belive. Most of the times different religions against each other, but that doesn't change the fact that fighting and arguing about it only ends in tragedy on either side. Hatred will emerge............ over something as trivial as this...... It is not worth it.

You belive in evolution, someone else doesn't and a third person belives something completly different, what does it matter. As long as everyone sticks to the basic rules in life: no stealing, no killing, be honest, don't do to others that you wouldn't be done to yourself.

 

Don't force people to belive what you belive, they will reject it even more.

Well by providing evidence of course. If reasonable evidence is provided I will always consider it, if it's valid accept it. It is indeed worth anything needed that people know the truth in reality, it is what brought all of which we have. I am providing evidence for my claims not just saying "believe it". This is a question of our very nature (well abiogenesis can be considered a factor here too, but I won't get into that). I will protect what is supported by evidence as truth and will try and show it to others. (again, same as they, and I completely invite them to it)

[Jayjey419 41]

How can you convince someone, that disaproves your belives?

 

People tried for thousands of years to convince other people of their belive. Most of the times different religions against each other, but that doesn't change the fact that fighting and arguing about it only ends in tragedy on either side. Hatred will emerge............ over something as trivial as this...... It is not worth it.

You belive in evolution, someone else doesn't and a third person belives something completly different, what does it matter. As long as everyone sticks to the basic rules in life: no stealing, no killing, be honest, don't do to others that you wouldn't be done to yourself.

 

Don't force people to belive what you belive, they will reject it even more.

100% agreed with you here, No killing No stealing be honest and so on

[GoldRock2 290]

How can you convince someone, that disaproves your belives?

 

People tried for thousands of years to convince other people of their belive. Most of the times different religions against each other, but that doesn't change the fact that fighting and arguing about it only ends in tragedy on either side. Hatred will emerge............ over something as trivial as this...... It is not worth it.

You belive in evolution, someone else doesn't and a third person belives something completly different, what does it matter. As long as everyone sticks to the basic rules in life: no stealing, no killing, be honest, don't do to others that you wouldn't be done to yourself.

 

Don't force people to belive what you belive, they will reject it even more.

You know, there's a difference between forcing your belief upon others and sharing your belief with others...

 

I personally think we should celebrate our different beliefs, rather than going "Oh no this issue is controversial let's not talk about it". My own beliefs, for example, are not set in stone - if I see a good point made by someone else, I might agree with it. For example, skitee has set forth a convincing argument against macro-evolution - this has, at the very least, made me think more about the distinguishment between different types of evolution.

 

It's not bad to be different; as a society, I think we should highlight these differences, and discuss how they make us the diverse community we are. Increasingly, modern society is starting to hold discussion on more controversial issues, which may have previously been considered 'taboo' (e.g. religion); this increased open-ness, in my view, can only be a good thing.

[DrSaint 176]

You don’t have to apologize, I really mean it.

 

I want you to understand something important here, that is when you participate in a conversation like this, sometimes it has the potential to heat up, because of the passion we show for our point of view.

 

 

DrSaint,

 

Evolution and religion may me two differing themes but they almost go hand in hand especially in a conversation like this one.

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Respectfully

DirtFighter

 

P.S. you screen name is quite ironic for your position and this topic 

 

In my understanding they are two different things, religion gives us our spirituality, feeds our immaterial needs and most of the times it works as our moral compass, and evolution perfects us to suit to our surrounding without considering our religious believes.

 

 

To begin with I will go through your evidence

 

DrSaint,

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1. I have presented some evidence in post             #48             and post             #56             and you still have not.

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Respectfully

DirtFighter

 

Quote came from here #48

 

Evolution is a flawed "Theory" Even Darwin admitted it had problems. If you look closely at biological systems a lot of them can not function if you take away a single component. Take for instance an eye ball, If you take away 1 single ingredient of all that it takes to make an eye ball function it will not work at all...so how did an eye ball evolve from a single cell creature if it can not work unless all parts are there.

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About Darwin and his comments, they’ve evolved too, at the time when he came up with these theories he wasn’t well equipped (compared to current abilities) to understand the relation between facts, simply because science was at it’s dawn, due to this prime fact there wasn’t enough research and material to based up on.

 

Your eyeball theory is flawed from the beginning, why one wants to take a component out of nicely organized organ to prove evolution didn't take place?

 

By doing so and then comparing this minus_one_component_eyeball’s abilities with an eukaryote (or maybe to a prokaryote), you didn’t make a counterargument, you only managed to restate a point, which already known to all biologists in the world for long time, that is: “highly organized tissues have this “weakness” of depending on it’s structure and physiology.

 

Anyway let’s say we take out this so called component (Let’s take out all the rods from photoreceptors), and eyeball isn’t going to work as it should have, and then you argue, (this is the part, where I see the major flaw in your argument), that if it had evolved from a prokaryote or eukaryote then why it can’t function even without a major component. I really don’t see the connection here, the simple answer to your question is IT HAS EVOLVED to become an organ.

 

 

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So the explanation for 100's of billions of years for evolution to take place

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Our planet's age is closer to 4.55 billion years and sun is also in the same age category.

 

 

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Also of you look at just the biological systems of the human body it would seem each system is very complex and for all the complex systems to work together (skeletal, muscular, cardio vascular, nervous and so on) to make us work seems to me to have a specific purpose which suggest a design for then all to work together.

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Here you are talking about something called "homeostasis", which requires huge amount of regulators and regulations to operate (Human physiology).

 

 

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If you have a design then you have to have a designer.

 

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This planet is also in the perfect location in the universe for all this to support life. Even with the astronomical probabilities of random chance you still have to have the environment to support such a possibility which in it self is an astronomical possibility.

 

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I am just an average regular person. I do believe in God and I am a Christian, however I believed all this before I believed in God. This thought process I guess helped to pull me toward believing in God. 

After pondering these things on evolution, the existence of God just made sense to me. After studying the Bible ( and I was very skeptical) I have come to believe the good book

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The name of this designer is Nature!

 

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Do you know our habitable planet will move out from this so called life friendly zone in our solar system?

Do you know one day this zone will be near to Jupiter and Europa?

Do you know the way we know life is not the first living form to habitat this planet (I am not talking about dinosaurs, here I am talking about anaerobic life forms)?

 

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You are not alone, as I said these are two different things.

 

 

DrSaint,

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3. How do you know we have different education and back ground? It is likely very true but you don'y know that to be a fact.

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4. I know you where not talking to me personally but you where talking in a public forum. For you not to expect a reply for what you post in a public place for all to read is un-realistic no matter how careful you where in not addressing any particular person....

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Respectfully

DirtFighter

 

3) I know because your posts not only letting others know the direct intention of those posts but also few other things, things like your common knowledge, scientific background, desire to know and etc. 

 

4) You see, this is exactly where I want you to be,

First you came to me saying that you think maybe I should leave this conversation because I was disrespectful (you were the only one), then I told you that I was not talking to you and now you are telling me I should expect replies.

Listen, I take as good as I dish out and recommend you to do the same.

 

Your evidence is not reasonable enough because they are poorly thought-out theories and imaginations.

Do you have hard evidence to prove creationism?

 

For your information, I am not an atheist, i am religious person (as you noticed it is even in my screen name) and i respect all the other religions, at the same time i believe evolution too, simply because they don't interfere each other in my mind.

Edited December 2, 2013 by DrSaint

[already.dead 360]

Ik i can search this up, but goldrock etc. how did the first life come according to u?

[Fen-Harel 1,176]

Ik i can search this up, but goldrock etc. how did the first life come according to u?

Abiogenesis most likely. This is irrelevant to the discussion of evolution for evolution deals with change and adaption of the living organisms. Here's some sources you can visit to learn more, but let's stick to the evolution topic on this one (or if you have evidence to the contrary of evolution):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/

 

It's so far the best explanation we have that has been tested and observed and is still being addressed.

[r_GoldRock30 68]

Abiogenesis most likely. This is irrelevant to the discussion of evolution for evolution deals with change and adaption of the living organisms. Here's some sources you can visit to learn more, but let's stick to the evolution topic on this one (or if you have evidence to the contrary of evolution):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/

 

It's so far the best explanation we have that has been tested and observed and is still being addressed.

I would have given a similar answer to this, already.dead; nicely phrased ^_^

[Aaron.Bohot 0]

I am very interested in this subject. I know for a fact that evolution does have multiple arguments in its favor, as well as against it. I have read multiple posts, and though I am new to this topic, perhaps I may be able to deal with a couple of them. I apologize that I do not have the time at the moment to deal with all of the posts that I want to deal with. First things first:

 

How can you convince someone, that disaproves your belives?

 

People tried for thousands of years to convince other people of their belive. Most of the times different religions against each other, but that doesn't change the fact that fighting and arguing about it only ends in tragedy on either side. Hatred will emerge............ over something as trivial as this...... It is not worth it.

You belive in evolution, someone else doesn't and a third person belives something completly different, what does it matter. As long as everyone sticks to the basic rules in life: no stealing, no killing, be honest, don't do to others that you wouldn't be done to yourself.

 

Don't force people to belive what you belive, they will reject it even more.

My friend, I understand where you come from, and what you say has truth. However, how do you know that those "basic rules" are the best rules if you do have an opinion on their source. Did they evolve, or were they designed by a God in order to protect His children from their sin nature? This is an important question, one I believe is in your best interest to answer. Why is this an important question? If these basic guidelines evolved, then they will change further, resulting in an evolution of ethics. If they are evolving, how do you know that you even have a correct view on ethics. However, If they were created by God, who is unchanging, then that explains how religions that are thousands of years old still retain those rules of living. If God created these rules, they will not evolve. 

 

Evolution is one of the strongest theories of science at this time and has been reinforced after Darwin published his findings. Our knowledge of facts increases and with it science will change it's theories, but so far there is no solid evidence that evolution doesn't happen. And I would like anyone who has evidence that claims otherwise is to show it.

This argument contains two errors. The post was, however, a large piece of text, so I narrowed it down to the paragraph with the errors. Achilles1233, you claim that there is no solid evidence against evolution. The way you word this, it sounds like that is a reason for believing in evolution. I would contest that by pointing out that that is by itself irrelevant. It was not that long ago that evolution was in a similar fix, lacking "missing links", which are still missing. That did not dissuade scientists trying to prove evolution, so I see no reason for it to dissuade scientists who are against evolution. Second, there is evidence against evolution. Sources like http://www.answersingenesis.org/ have a lot of evidence against your claim. While you may not agree with it, it does nonetheless show your error in claiming that there is none.

[VIP_FORCES967 151]

yes but still the proof that evolution is real is right in your face! so please tell me why you believe other than religious resons

Evolution is fake. Its is just an excuse for what is the truth 

[VIP_FORCES967 151]

A common misconception.

 

We did not evolve from monkeys - monkeys and humans merely share common ancestors. In very simple terms, there was once a four-legged, simple creature which roamed the Earth - some species of this evolved into monkeys, others evolved into humans, over millions of years.

Monkeys are animals.  We are humans, its is impossible to change to one thing to another.  Evolution is fake and is deceiving minds 

[VIP_FORCES967 151]

I personally believe that evolution has enough evidence to be considered scientific fact. It's widely accepted by the scientific community as being accurate. As well as this, there are many religious people who accept evolution.

 

Religion could be seen as explaining why the world was created (to what purpose), whereas evolution and natural selection could be seen as conclusive theories as to how the world was created. Religion and science do not necessarily conflict with one another.

 

 

Thank you :)

God Created the world son.   Evolution is just a way scientist deny the truth I believe.  Don't believe what high school or college is teaching you about life. I miss the American one nation under god

[already.dead 360]

Wait what, i just asked a simple question How did life come and u cant answer? why do u need to always post links, just write it simply like

 

''Life first started because that and that'' ....anyways how can life come out of nothing? Can i keep a rock for example, and after some billion years it will become life and eventualy a human?

[r_GoldRock30 68]

Monkeys are animals. We are humans, its is impossible to change to one thing to another. Evolution is fake and is deceiving minds

As humans, we are animals. Monkeys are animals too.

 

God Created the world son. Evolution is just a way scientist deny the truth I believe. Don't believe what high school or college is teaching you about life. I miss the American one nation under god

Maybe those who want to go onto further education in scientific fields would disagree with your assertion? I think it's about time that a few of those in the older generation realise that there is at least some credibility to modern scientific concepts, and that they should be accepted as valid beliefs alongside religion. In any case, more than half of religious believers in the US support evolution.

 

Wait what, i just asked a simple question How did life come and u cant answer? why do u need to always post links, just write it simply like

 

''Life first started because that and that'' ....anyways how can life come out of nothing? Can i keep a rock for example, and after some billion years it will become life and eventualy a human?

"Abiogenesis, or biopoiesis, is the natural process by which life arose from non-living matter such as simple organic compounds. The earliest life on Earth existed at least 3.5 billion years ago, during the Eoarchean Era when sufficient crust had solidified following the molten Hadean Eon. On November 8, 2013, scientists reported the discovery of what may be the earliest actual signs of life on Earth - the complete fossils of a microbial mat (associated with sandstone in western Australia) estimated to be 3.48 billion years old."

 

This is what you would've read had you clicked the link ^_^

 

Yes, actually - if the rock contains organic matter (containing carbon), then it may lead to the development of very simple life forms (micro-organisms and so on), and then they would develop from there.

 

For example:

 

"- The Oparin-Haldane hypothesis suggests that the atmosphere of the early Earth may have been chemically reducing in nature, composed primarily of methane (CH4), ammonia (NH3), water (H2O), hydrogen sulfide (H2S), carbon dioxide (CO2) or carbon monoxide (CO), and phosphate (PO43-), with molecular oxygen (O2) and ozone (O3) either rare or absent.

 

- In such a reducing atmosphere, electrical activity can catalyze the creation of certain basic small molecules (monomers) of life, such as amino acids. This was demonstrated in the Miller–Urey experiment by Stanley L. Miller and Harold C. Urey reported in 1953.

 

- Phospholipids (of an appropriate length) can form lipid bilayers, a basic component of the cell membrane..."

 

...and so on.

 

Viruses, for example, are argued to be non-living because they are so simple, even though they can enter and attack our bodies. Basically, the line between living matter and non-living matter is not as clear as one might think.

 

In summary, organic matter/elements on the Earth can lead to the formation of very basic life, under the right conditions. This basic life evolved into more complex forms, over billions of years.

Edited December 2, 2013 by r_GoldRock30

[rampagerhino 67]

Evolution is fake. Its is just an excuse for what is the truth 

 

Monkeys are animals.  We are humans, its is impossible to change to one thing to another.  Evolution is fake and is deceiving minds 

What about caterpillars and the evolution they undergo to become butterflies? It IS possible for one thing to become another, you just can't or are incapable of thinking outside the box! Now i know that there are not a whole lot of animals or insects that change as much as some others do, but this is evidence that some do undergo drastic changes, ie something without wings evolves to something that has wings.

 

And btw, where's your proof???? Just throwing something out there that is so fact deficient is so frustrating to me. Please, tell me why you think evolution is fake. 0_0

Edited December 2, 2013 by rampagerhino

[already.dead 360]

BUT why are there no half creatures! if something changed into a human, why cant be see those creatures between humans and whatever was before. also why cant we find the ''missing link''

 

Are Neanderthals humans, if not what are they

[r_GoldRock30 68]

BUT why are there no half creatures! if something changed into a human, why cant be see those creatures between humans and whatever was before. also why cant we find the ''missing link''

 

Are Neanderthals humans, if not what are they

I'm not going to quote my explanation again, you know... There are no half creatures because we are half creatures. We're halfway between primitive man and whatever super-duper form of man we'll see in the future :P Now stop asking that question over and over... or at least respond to the quoted answer I've given above!

 

As for Neanderthals... nope, they were not human. They were yet another species evolved from apes, and had human-like qualities (ie they had the ability to reason, albeit not very well). Once our own ancestors came about, the Neanderthals were outclassed, and soon died out as the inferior species.

[kingeoin14 30]

God Created the world son.   Evolution is just a way scientist deny the truth I believe.  Don't believe what high school or college is teaching you about life. I miss the American one nation under god

http://www.alternet.org/story/155985/5_reasons_america_is_not_--_and_has_never_been_--_a_christian_nation

 

I suggest you read this before you say America is one nation under god.

[Fen-Harel 1,176]

Aaron, the website you have given me I have seen multiple times. It's full of propaganda and bad arguments about evolution. They at the start address abiogenesis, something that is not evolution.

Their next claim is that evolutionary process cannot add information to the genes. This is false, for we have found that information can be added with duplication and fusion of certain genes/proteins/enzymes. Here's an article to that point as well:

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB102.html

Their next claim I find funny. They say that evolution is only drawings and there is no evidence for it. So far I have given evidence. Then they go on about how we're not apes but humans... So should we just ignore the fusion of the chromosomes to shape our genetic code? Should we ignore anatomical similarities? And all other things I have presented in my first post.

So their main argument is that life can't come from non life (proven false by abiogenesis) and the second is that information cannot be added to the genes. I will ignore the part of the website that treats me like an illiterate person not knowing what Christmas is just because I'm an atheist.

 

Either way, the site is full of propaganda that I do not find to be persuasive at all.

 

 

Evolution is fake. Its is just an excuse for what is the truth 

 

Monkeys are animals.  We are humans, its is impossible to change to one thing to another.  Evolution is fake and is deceiving minds 

 

God Created the world son.   Evolution is just a way scientist deny the truth I believe.  Don't believe what high school or college is teaching you about life. I miss the American one nation under god

Evolution is not an excuse for anything, it shows the change of life throughout the ages and explains our being. Humans are animals, if you really think we are some kind of species above others and cannot be put in the same group with apes (not monkeys, we are apes or primates) you are wrong. Which god? And the creation of the world is irrelevant to evolution. American nation under god, huh... I'm not American but I've checked the American constitution. There is no mentioning of god. It is written that the state will not invoke religion into it's politics. The people who wrote it were deists too.

 

Wait what, i just asked a simple question How did life come and u cant answer? why do u need to always post links, just write it simply like

 

''Life first started because that and that'' ....anyways how can life come out of nothing? Can i keep a rock for example, and after some billion years it will become life and eventualy a human?

Why can't I post a link to the source more informed than myself? Again, where did life come from is not evolution.

[Fen-Harel 1,176]

BUT why are there no half creatures! if something changed into a human, why cant be see those creatures between humans and whatever was before. also why cant we find the ''missing link''

 

Are Neanderthals humans, if not what are they

Was this question not answered three times already?

[Fen-Harel 1,176]

What about caterpillars and the evolution they undergo to become butterflies? It IS possible for one thing to become another, you just can't or are incapable of thinking outside the box! Now i know that there are not a whole lot of animals or insects that change as much as some others do, but this is evidence that some do undergo drastic changes, ie something without wings evolves to something that has wings.

 

And btw, where's your proof???? Just throwing something out there that is so fact deficient is so frustrating to me. Please, tell me why you think evolution is fake. 0_0

Um... The caterpillar thing- that is not evolution. That is metamorphosis. Just a correction there. I agree that there are examples of adding genetic information and that the other side could present proof for their creation hypothesis.