Do you believe in evolution?

[Mithrandir1 17]

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Edited January 21, 2014 by Mithrandir1

[yvano 35]

Many people are just unable to comprehend this, but no, we do not have a specific 'purpose' on this earth. We were born here, and we will die here. Whatever we do in our lives is based on the society and morals created by the intelligence of our human race. Think about it this way, we are just organisms on a rock in space, but what makes us different is that we are intelligent enough to be able to question our own existence. No other life form can do this.

you said it we are different because we are intelligent,why is it so?and besides are we using that intelligence properly?i refuse to place my believes on such a controversial theory,science has failed at this point its not like any physical law which can be prooven.Science cant and will never explain everything.since scientist couldnt explain how we came about the only plausible thing they had in hand was evolution.If i was born without my consent therfore i should have a purpose of living not that created by other people who dont even know themselves.wats the use of being intelligent if i happen to loose my life like the animals?  <_<

[SonofDeath 512]

All those people complaining about how science has failed you, that is not true.

Look at the device that sits on your lap, or rests on the palm of your hand.

Is that marvelous machine the result of "scientific failure"?

Edited January 22, 2014 by SonofDeath

[r_comeandgetit0 5]

All those people complaining about how science has failed you, that is not true.

Look at the device that sits on your lap, or rests on the palm of your hand.

Is that marvelous machine the result of "scientific failure"?

That's hardly fair; we engineers have a much better track record than climate scientists.

 

And now, just like before, science and scientists still can be and sometimes are completely wrong.

[SonofDeath 512]

That's hardly fair; we engineers have a much better track record than climate scientists.

 

And now, just like before, science and scientists still can be and sometimes are completely wrong.

Of course we can be wrong, in fact we got to where we are now by trial and error experiments done by thousands of scientists.

 

BUt my point is that the scientific comunity is correct more often than not

Edited January 22, 2014 by SonofDeath

[yvano 35]

All those people complaining about how science has failed you, that is not true.

Look at the device that sits on your lap, or rests on the palm of your hand.

Is that marvelous machine the result of 

ur just quoting main advances that are there just to ease mans living in the society.science has done many marvelous things i agree  but science  cant explain evrything.How the universe came about? the big bang theary a mere assumption.Can it explain how in one single heart beat blood flows throughtout the whole body in less tah a second.How billions of nerve cells intercommunicate and rammify themselves in the nervous system.The mechanism of dreams?its a fact proove me wrong if u can.

[SonofDeath 512]

ur just quoting main advances that are there just to ease mans living in the society.science has done many marvelous things i agree  but science  cant explain evrything.How the universe came about? the big bang theary a mere assumption.Can it explain how in one single heart beat blood flows throughtout the whole body in less tah a second.How billions of nerve cells intercommunicate and rammify themselves in the nervous system.The mechanism of dreams?its a fact proove me wrong if u can.

Science can explain that, but due to the fact that I am a 15 year old child, I cannot understand it myself, mucn less explain it to you.

And you have to remember, these scientists spend there ENTIRE lifes proving that thier work is correct USING EVIDENCE, AND FACT and to people WHO question it muccch more than anyone on this forum 

What gives you the right to denounce all of what they have worked, WITHOUT haveing read the EVIDENCE and FACT that proves them to be correct?

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

but science  cant explain evrything.How the universe came about? the big bang theary a mere assumption.

They can explain how the universe came about (up to a point - pardon the pun) but you're hardly being fair because the big bang theory is not a "mere assumption" it's scientific theory.

Theory is a word some use to try and trick others into believing that it's merely and idea with no actual merit or substance behind it.

Using the word, "theory", in that way is a deception derived from ignorance or dishonesty - which are you?

What's your definition of the word?

 

Scientific Theory

"A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on knowledge that has been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation."

source

 

Assumption

"Something taken for granted or accepted as true without proof; a supposition"

 

If you want conclusive proof then I'm afraid we've not built a - time, (that can go back before time itself), machine!

And if you constantly invoke a God every time there is something science can't explain yet, beware and prepare to get the rug pulled from under your feet.

Edited January 22, 2014 by AbsoluteZero

[Fen-Harel 1,176]

ur just quoting main advances that are there just to ease mans living in the society.science has done many marvelous things i agree  but science  cant explain evrything.How the universe came about? the big bang theary a mere assumption.Can it explain how in one single heart beat blood flows throughtout the whole body in less tah a second.How billions of nerve cells intercommunicate and rammify themselves in the nervous system.The mechanism of dreams?its a fact proove me wrong if u can.

Yes... it can explain that. And no the big bang theory is not an assumption.

[yvano 35]

guys believe in what you want as a great philosopher said "we see the value of our life only at the point of death".ive done enough philosophy in this topic and besides im almost 18 for those who didnt know.it was a pleasure arguing with you guys  ^_^

[yvano 35]

They can explain how the universe came about (up to a point - pardon the pun) but you're hardly being fair because the big bang theory is not a "mere assumption" it's scientific theory.

Theory is a word some use to try and trick others into believing that it's merely and idea with no actual merit or substance behind it.

Using the word, "theory", in that way is a deception derived from ignorance or dishonesty - which are you?

What's your definition of the word?

 

Scientific Theory

"A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on knowledge that has been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation."

source

 

Assumption

"Something taken for granted or accepted as true without proof; a supposition"

 

If you want conclusive proof then I'm afraid we've not built a - time, (that can go back before time itself), machine!

And if you constantly invoke a God every time there is something science can't explain yet, beware and prepare to get the rug pulled from under your feet.

im a 1st year science student in college(canada),im planning to be a specialist because i believe i can use my scientific knowlwdge to help others,i know what is a theory and assumption and law.This topic is drifting more into personnal beliefs as i can see so to conclude i will say this: beleive in what you want time answers all questions :)

[yvano 35]

Science can explain that, but due to the fact that I am a 15 year old child, I cannot understand it myself, mucn less explain it to you.

And you have to remember, these scientists spend there ENTIRE lifes proving that thier work is correct USING EVIDENCE, AND FACT and to people WHO question it muccch more than anyone on this forum 

What gives you the right to denounce all of what they have worked, WITHOUT haveing read the EVIDENCE and FACT that proves them to be correct?

the only point i will never be right with is evolution...

[Reeco9 1,567]

you said it we are different because we are intelligent,why is it so?and besides are we using that intelligence properly?i refuse to place my believes on such a controversial theory,science has failed at this point its not like any physical law which can be prooven.Science cant and will never explain everything.since scientist couldnt explain how we came about the only plausible thing they had in hand was evolution.If i was born without my consent therfore i should have a purpose of living not that created by other people who dont even know themselves.wats the use of being intelligent if i happen to loose my life like the animals?  <_<

You say 'science has failed at this point its not like any physical law which can be proven'... 

What do you mean by physical law? Because many physical laws, such as gravity, were established by scientists in the first place. So you sorta contradicted yourself there.

[yvano 35]

You say 'science has failed at this point its not like any physical law which can be proven'... 

What do you mean by physical law? Because many physical laws, such as gravity, were established by scientists in the first place. So you sorta contradicted yourself there.

gravity in the first place can be demonstrated,u experience it u see it,whilst evolution is rather abstract,no one will live as long to see it in action.gene mutation or dna replication or transcription can be a form of evolution but even genes and dna have a beginning. Many scientist tried to create amino acids and  dna the so called foundations of live in a prebiotic soup but guess wat it all failed and when inconclusive.i know wat im talking about because im studying it,giving details would be so much work and knowing that we will never come into terms with this topic id rather place myself outta it. distinguished greetings B)

[Fen-Harel 1,176]

gravity in the first place can be demonstrated,u experience it u see it,whilst evolution is rather abstract,no one will live as long to see it in action.gene mutation or dna replication or transcription can be a form of evolution but even genes and dna have a beginning. Many scientist tried to create amino acids and  dna the so called foundations of live in a prebiotic soup but guess wat it all failed and when inconclusive.i know wat im talking about because im studying it,giving details would be so much work and knowing that we will never come into terms with this topic id rather place myself outta it. distinguished greetings B)

Again, evolution explains the diversity of not it's forming. Evolution can be observed and there is genetic evidence. Even if we don't know how life originated (which we pretty much know and is irrelevant) that won't disprove evolution.

[Reeco9 1,567]

gravity in the first place can be demonstrated,u experience it u see it,whilst evolution is rather abstract,no one will live as long to see it in action.gene mutation or dna replication or transcription can be a form of evolution but even genes and dna have a beginning. Many scientist tried to create amino acids and  dna the so called foundations of live in a prebiotic soup but guess wat it all failed and when inconclusive.i know wat im talking about because im studying it,giving details would be so much work and knowing that we will never come into terms with this topic id rather place myself outta it. distinguished greetings B)

Except there was a time when no-one understood or believed in gravity, and then a scientist came along and figured out how it works.

Also, although I agree that we cannot be 100% sure that the evolution theory is correct, it is by far the most plausible theory that we have to date, and there is not another idea that has nearly as much evidence to support it.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

gravity in the first place can be demonstrated,u experience it u see it,whilst evolution is rather abstract,no one will live as long to see it in action.

These two videos address what you have wrote here and demonstrate why you are wrong in thinking what you think. When you have watched them, go research for yourself to make sure Peter Hadfield (potholer54) is not lying. Then come back a convert and start preaching to the others that natural selection and evolution are proven facts.

 

 

[SonofDeath 512]

gravity in the first place can be demonstrated,u experience it u see it,whilst evolution is rather abstract,no one will live as long to see it in action.gene mutation or dna replication or transcription can be a form of evolution but even genes and dna have a beginning. Many scientist tried to create amino acids and  dna the so called foundations of live in a prebiotic soup but guess wat it all failed and when inconclusive.i know wat im talking about because im studying it,giving details would be so much work and knowing that we will never come into terms with this topic id rather place myself outta it. distinguished greetings B)

umm. Take the dodo bird.

It was a bird that had wings...

Thens millions of years later it.... lost them :o

Evolution right there

[yvano 35]

afterall what good is it gonna make assuming evolution is truely right,it may certainly lead to more advances in medicine and help scientist to comprehend more on the human body.but wat true

 

These two videos address what you have wrote here and demonstrate why you are wrong in thinking what you think. When you have watched them, go research for yourself to make sure Peter Hadfield (potholer54) is not lying. Then come back a convert and start preaching to the others that natural selection and evolution are proven facts.

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_RXX7pn

from the very beginning ive never been against evolution as a whole,i was just trying to contradict u guys in the fact that it doesnt still explain how we came about,.where does gene mutation and dna replication take place inside the cell!where did the first living prokaryotic cell come from? (ur video doesnt say anything about that).scientist are just making use of what already existed to explain long term phenomenon without necessarily telling where the already existing material came from.Everything has a beginning,nothin just begins to exist fron nowhere.afterall wat change is it gonna make in ones life?it may certainly lead to major advances in medecine and help us to comprehend more of the human body but wat good is it still gonna make?we are merelly trying to ****** a vanitous life,gather all the information u want and proove me wrong but the only part ull never proove me wrong is that all this is still useless.u may be asking urself wat gives me the right to say this or on wat do i base myself?for evolution to take place and even for life to sprout necessary conditions beyond the scope of human reasoning must be united for that to happen.(remember we are merely explaining wat is already happening and making use of it to our advantage).wat were the chances that the earth was placed at the ideal distance from the sun for life to take root (think keenly),why is it that natural laws never change why is the universe so consistent and orderly,gravity remains thesame,the earth rotates every 24 hours and the speed of light never changes.Where does dna get the necessary information for it to replicate(we have specific genes for every trait of our body),the code that makes us grow in the particular way we are entitled to.the most complex organ of the universe the brain!!is not the creation of coincidence.Bring me the facts of all these if u can.These ones rely on no existing material to be prooved it would be useless trying to explain them they already existed.The eye can distinguish around 7 million of colours can evolution give facts about that?Assuming the big bang theory is true wat therefore caused that enormous cosmic explosion and directed the course of the universe till completion,crap!!where does your ability to think,produce feelings,dream plan and to use your intelligence to question your living come from??still mere crap!! excuse me for writing so long but i was really itching to it,this is all i had to say, myself ive got no answer to this quotes,it may sound foolish but i do believe all this is not a matter of mere coincidence..                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              yvano

Edited January 24, 2014 by yvano

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

from the very beginning ive never been against evolution as a whole,i was just trying to contradict u guys in the fact that it doesnt still explain how we came about,

Ah, so you accept evolution but you were just playing devil's advocate. But for the last time, evolution doesn't explain the origins of life.

 

.where does gene mutation and dna replication take place inside the cell!where did the first living prokaryotic cell come from? (ur video doesnt say anything about that).

I'm glad you asked. Here is another one one of Potholer's videos, "The Origin of Life Made Easy" - Where did dna appear? How did living matter come from non-living sludge? Watch the video. Listen closely to his closing remarks before replying and ask yourself, is he talking about you!

 

.wat were the chances that the earth was placed at the ideal distance from the sun for life to take root (think keenly)

First off, the Earth wasn't placed anywhere. The number of stars and planets in the universe is vast. The question is, what are the chances of a planet forming in the habitable zone of the right kind of star.

 

,why is it that natural laws never change why is the universe so consistent and orderly,gravity remains thesame,the earth rotates every 24 hours and the speed of light never changes.

Actually, matter on the microscopic level is not orderly at all. Go watch a video on the double-slit experiment.

There are reasons to why the Earth rotates in a number of hours. Just less than 24 of them to be precise. If you don't know the answer to these questions. Look them up. The answers are there without the need to invoke a creator.

 

Where does dna get the necessary information for it to replicate(we have specific genes for every trait of our body),the code that makes us grow in the particular way we are entitled to.the most complex organ of the universe the brain!!is not the creation of coincidence.Bring me the facts of all these if u can.

Again, watch the video.

 

These ones rely on no existing material to be prooved it would be useless trying to explain them they already existed.The eye can distinguish around 7 million of colours can evolution give facts about that?

I've no idea how many colours the human eye can distinguish. But evolution can explain how it formed. Our eyes are rubbish when compared to an owl or a hawk. Go look it up instead of saying God did it.

 

Assuming the big bang theory is true wat therefore caused that enormous cosmic explosion and directed the course of the universe till completion,crap!!

Go on, say how you really feel.

You want the answers to the universe from me in a topic on a tanki forum? Potholer has a few videos on this. The history of the universe made easy - 2 parts.

 

where does your ability to think,produce feelings,dream plan and to use your intelligence to question your living come from??still mere crap!!

That would be evolution.

 

excuse me for writing so long but i was really itching to it,this is all i had to say, myself ive got no answer to this quotes,it may sound foolish but i do believe all this is not a matter of mere coincidence..

I only had a short time to answer because I have to go to work so forgive me for short answers. If you think it is co-incidence and God made it all and God existed always and forever everywhere making everything just so then that's fine with me. Just don't affect others with your belief.

Edited January 24, 2014 by AbsoluteZero

[monkeyburn 13,523]

 

 

[Fen-Harel 1,176]

Yvano, how we came about is not evolution. And the chance argument only works if you're predicting the future, not the past. Since I can come up with a equation that would show how improbable the rain drop falling is, but it still falls. Earth didn't always rotate at the same speed too. The human eye has also been explained and still has flaws, such as the blind spot. I'm sure you can find a book or do a internet search or two to learn how DNA is formed. And go to an actual science site not the Ken Ham, Hovind, William L. Craig sites etc. since these sites seem to be mentioned here.

 

Also, if you wish to argue the origin of life, I'm happy to talk about that too.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

Human Evolution Made Easy

 

 

[JonathanBernatowicz 119]

But for the last time, evolution doesn't explain the origins of life.

Well according to you it doesn't. Interesting. I'm curious to see if anybody else here thinks it does, but if it doesn't and Creationism does then Creationism certainly has the edge on a very important part of life. Extremely important. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

 

Also, if you wish to argue the origin of life, I'm happy to talk about that too.

I'm not here to argue right now. I'm here to gather arguments. Please talk about the origin of life, without very many complicated words if you may. Also, would you agree that if there is no god, there is no purpose for life? While you may say it's just to have fun, there's ultimately no point in living life, am I right? For example Creationism believes that there is a point because when you die you will go to heaven ultimately and receive jewels for all the good deeds you've done and live a wonderful life there with our Lord and Savior. But if there is no god, if there is no heaven, then all there is is two dates, a beginning of your life and an end. Nothing else, really. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'd like to see your point of view. Also, if there was life on earth, then wouldn't their be alien life forms on Mars? Life forms that would adapt to the temperature, air amount, and survive just like life forms did here? Again, I'm just gathering your arguments, please excuse me.

 

To everyone! On Tuesday, February 4th a VERY interesting debate takes place. Bill Nye (The science guy, but a very smart and intelligent evolutionist) debates his points against Ken Ham (a very smart and intelligent Creationist). While I'm certainly not claiming that whoever wins their argument is correct because in many debates I know that to not be true, but it will be...interesting if you may agree with me here to see this particular debate.

Edited January 25, 2014 by JonathanBernatowicz

[yvano 35]

Human Evolution Made Easy

 

Ive watched all ur video in full,yes humans have ancient ancestors(apes) who have evolved with time to get wat we have today,but where did the first ape common ancestor originate from?though uve got all this much evidence u cant go through without asking this ultimate question.atheism is a philosophy without hope(no offense to any atheist in this chat),if no supernatural being is behind this ,there is therefore no delivrance from aging,disease and death.someday we will all be old fighting a loosing battle with aging struggling against the inevitable advance of detoriationand disease and inevitably death follows.If your life is doomed to end with death it makes no ultimate difference if u existed or not,though your life may of be relative significance if you influenced others or affected the course of history.the contributions of the scientist to advance human knowledge (like evolution) ,the contribution of the doctor to alleviate pain and suffering,the efforts of a diplomat like you to secure peace in this world which is idealistic,the sacrifices of good people everywhere to better the lot of the human race not counting millions of soldiers who gave their lives in world wars for selfish purposes.ultimately all this therefore comes to nothing,consequently it makes no difference wat u are and wat u do in this world and ,thus if no being is behind this therefore life is ultimately meaningless,ur not different to a stone though ur intelligent.Going back to the dna issue ur very wrong who programs the computer for it to function properly its a programmer,The dna code is made up of 4 amino acids(guanine,cytosine,adenine,thymine)they are arranged in the human cell in a specific and organized manner(there are more than 3 billion of this in every human cell)Dna instructs the cell and it is ultimately wat causes evolution.a3 billion lettered program telling the cell to operate in a specific way.If the first living cell or organism happened to exist like this how did this information program happen to exist there.Donnot forget that science exists because of peoples desire to improve life and understand it which is still utterly useless as i earlier said if it cant give us a real purpose of leaving.,U say im trying to influence others with my belief of a supernatural being,sorry im gonna stop,if i did it its just because of my conscience im not trying to enroll people into my way of thinking,i just want people to give a thorough thinking to their existence.who knows maybe there is some sorrowful person in the depths of suffering and misery and if this piece of information can enlighten his or heart ill be glad to do so.Donnot forget everyone has diverging opinions and As i earlier said and i reiterate i respect everyones belief.I know some person may say placing your believes on some abstract being is plain stupidity but i will reply that person by saying this:atleast i have something on which i hope for,, wat do u hope for?

Edited January 25, 2014 by yvano