Do you believe in evolution?

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

someones whos already felt extreme pain and suffering in this life will never approove ur thoughts,u see ur thoughts are shaped by the environment in which u were brought in,

I think the opposite. It's especially those who have felt pain and suffering will believe there is no all-loving creator. My thoughts maybe shaped by my environment but I also have a hand in shaping my environment and the environment of others - hopefully for the better.

Good ur an atheist because u will get nothin good from it,afterall agitate urself durin ur entire life it will soon end,conclusion: till then no one can claim anything is a hundred percent true in this life.

I think you're wrong. I get lots of good from it but please give me examples of why my life is all-bad. I'm not agitated as you say. I'm free of those religious shackles and I have a good understanding of science, evolution, the origins of life and the universe. I'm content that when I expire that there is nothing else in store for me. Until that day, I will keep working to pay the bills and maybe in a couple of years time have enough money to travel this world where I find myself and absorb the natural beauty of which I am a part.

[GoldRock 6,165]

My Biology homework:

 

 

 

 

I personally think it's a privilege that I get to learn about evolution as part of my national curriculum. Whether or not you agree with such a theory, it's always a good idea to actually try and learn about it or understand it before jumping to conclusions. Funnily enough, since we've received a thorough education on the subject, every single student in my class (religious or non-religious) acknowledges evolution as the most accurate theory we have for the development of organisms on Earth, because we actually understand what it is. So, clearly, the majority of the 82 people here who voted no need to sit through a couple of Biology classes on the matter before just saying "I'm religious", without even trying to understand that it's a theory that can work in conjunction with religion, or what the theory actually is.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

So, clearly, the majority of the 82 people here who voted no need to sit through a couple of Biology classes on the matter before just saying "I'm religious", without even trying to understand that it's a theory that can work in conjunction with religion, or what the theory actually is.

Be thankful you don't go to this school then...

Truly shocking stuff.

 

[GoldRock 6,165]

Be thankful you don't go to this school then...

Truly shocking stuff.

 

 

 

"How can, like, an African-American person evolve from a white person? We're different skin!"

 

Wow, that guy must be such a great teacher of evolution if a student has to ask this question. I almost expected the student to go "We're different species!" at the end there xD

[Fen-Harel 1,176]

My Biology homework:

 

 

 

 

I personally think it's a privilege that I get to learn about evolution as part of my national curriculum. Whether or not you agree with such a theory, it's always a good idea to actually try and learn about it or understand it before jumping to conclusions. Funnily enough, since we've received a thorough education on the subject, every single student in my class (religious or non-religious) acknowledges evolution as the most accurate theory we have for the development of organisms on Earth, because we actually understand what it is. So, clearly, the majority of the 82 people here who voted no need to sit through a couple of Biology classes on the matter before just saying "I'm religious", without even trying to understand that it's a theory that can work in conjunction with religion, or what the theory actually is.

It shouldn't be a privilege, it should be a right, must be a right if it already isn't already.

 

Be thankful you don't go to this school then...

Truly shocking stuff.

 

 

 

Well... I don't know how to respond to that... The kids in the classroom, what's up with that... That last one specially.

 

 

 

Also, I will ask again, to people that voted "no": What is it about evolution you don't accept? Explain.

Edited February 1, 2014 by Fen-Harel

[GoldRock2 290]

It shouldn't be a privilege, it should be a right, must be a right if it already isn't already.

IKR, but I think small steps would be more useful here:

 

- Evolution is not the work of the Devil/does not defy God's will/does not conflict with religious ideas

- It should be a privilege to learn about theories such as evolution

- It should be a right to learn about theories such as evolution

 

And it seems people already start having trouble from the first point.

[Fen-Harel 1,176]

IKR, but I think small steps would be more useful here:

 

- Evolution is not the work of the Devil/does not defy God's will/does not conflict with religious ideas

- It should be a privilege to learn about theories such as evolution

- It should be a right to learn about theories such as evolution

 

And it seems people already start having trouble from the first point.

Does the first point even have to be said at this point?

But if you think that the world is 6k years old, and the Adam and Eve story, then it does conflict with evolution and genetics...

 

Really can't understand why there's even a debate about this, this is the first time I see just over 50% of people not accepting evolution. (Again, those who don't, I would really like to hear why)

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

(Again, those who don't, I would really like to hear why)

I have changed my vote after seeing this video. I now think evolution is false.

[GoldRock2 290]

Does the first point even have to be said at this point?

But if you think that the world is 6k years old, and the Adam and Eve story, then it does conflict with evolution and genetics...

 

Really can't understand why there's even a debate about this, this is the first time I see just over 50% of people not accepting evolution. (Again, those who don't, I would really like to hear why)

Well, let's face it - if you're a fundamentalist/creationist, then you've kind of misunderstood the way in which your religion was meant to be taken. Liberalism is the way forwards for religion - not everything in religious texts should be taken literally, but rather a deeper meaning should be sought.

 

Agreed; it seems as though there are simply a lot of people here who've rejected the topic without trying to understand it.

[Fen-Harel 1,176]

Well, let's face it - if you're a fundamentalist/creationist, then you've kind of misunderstood the way in which your religion was meant to be taken. Liberalism is the way forwards for religion - not everything in religious texts should be taken literally, but rather a deeper meaning should be sought.

 

Agreed; it seems as though there are simply a lot of people here who've rejected the topic without trying to understand it.

They don't take it literally now since we know much more and religion lost its "freedom" to rule. But people believed all this stuff trough out history, we can't disregard that.

What kind of deeper meaning do you have in mind here?

Edited February 2, 2014 by Fen-Harel

[GoldRock2 290]

They don't take it literally now since we know much more and religion lost its "freedom" to rule. But people believed all this stuff trough out history, we can't disregard that.

What kind of deeper meaning do you have in mind here?

To give an example, rather than taking the literal idea that the world was created in 7 days from Genesis, you could interpret the days as representing longer periods of time. That would actually make sense, considering the rough order of creation in Genesis is water, then plants, then animals, then humans...

[Fen-Harel 1,176]

To give an example, rather than taking the literal idea that the world was created in 7 days from Genesis, you could interpret the days as representing longer periods of time. That would actually make sense, considering the rough order of creation in Genesis is water, then plants, then animals, then humans...

Light and plants come before stars in genesis but other than that, what would be the point then? You would only give such a meaning because you would know the literal as false. You would get the same answer of a long period of time using science methods, and that means that the bible is not needed.

[GoldRock2 290]

Light and plants come before stars in genesis but other than that, what would be the point then? You would only give such a meaning because you would know the literal as false. You would get the same answer of a long period of time using science methods, and that means that the bible is not needed.

Well, I agree that (in my view) Genesis is pretty redundant for the reasons you gave... but the Bible itself does cover issues of morality and so on, which does give it some worth. And the parables it contains are especially thought-provoking at times. So I wouldn't say the Bible is useless; it's important to us due to its status, its history, and the moral issues it covers.

[Fen-Harel 1,176]

Well, I agree that (in my view) Genesis is pretty redundant for the reasons you gave... but the Bible itself does cover issues of morality and so on, which does give it some worth. And the parables it contains are especially thought-provoking at times. So I wouldn't say the Bible is useless; it's important to us due to its status, its history, and the moral issues it covers.

We really don't need a book to teach us morals, at least I hope we don't... Even so there's certainly better alternatives than it.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

Well, I agree that (in my view) Genesis is pretty redundant for the reasons you gave... but the Bible itself does cover issues of morality and so on, which does give it some worth. And the parables it contains are especially thought-provoking at times. So I wouldn't say the Bible is useless; it's important to us due to its status, its history, and the moral issues it covers.

Actually, in terms of morality, any book that makes allowances for murder, rape, slavery and the maltreatment of women is to be... well, I'll let you be the judge.

Edited February 2, 2014 by AbsoluteZero

[yvano 35]

My Biology homework:

 

 

 

 

I personally think it's a privilege that I get to learn about evolution as part of my national curriculum. Whether or not you agree with such a theory, it's always a good idea to actually try and learn about it or understand it before jumping to conclusions. Funnily enough, since we've received a thorough education on the subject, every single student in my class (religious or non-religious) acknowledges evolution as the most accurate theory we have for the development of organisms on Earth, because we actually understand what it is. So, clearly, the majority of the 82 people here who voted no need to sit through a couple of Biology classes on the matter before just saying "I'm religious", without even trying to understand that it's a theory that can work in conjunction with religion, or what the theory actually is.

well your lucky some mysterious luck permitted u to grow in a study free society,wat about those who dont even know wat science is? (i may not look like it but im a scientist ans im planning to be a medical doctor).Theory is true if u do say it,study it if u want one day ull see that it makes no difference.

[Fen-Harel 1,176]

Actually, in terms of morality, any book that makes allowances for murder, rape, slavery and the maltreatment of women is to be... well, I'll let you be the judge.

Well, I didn't want to be so direct about it, but yea...

 

well your lucky some mysterious luck permitted u to grow in a study free society,wat about those who dont even know wat science is? (i may not look like it but im a scientist ans im planning to be a medical doctor).Theory is true if u do say it,study it if u want one day ull see that it makes no difference.

Of course it makes a difference. Take your medical doctor studies for example; in past times demons were thought to create sickness and plagues, now we have the germ theory of disease which has saved so many lives. We have developed vaccines, the fertilizer that feeds a third of the population. You, as a doctor, are a person who will cure the sick, save lives in some cases. Surely that will make a difference, if not in a long run at least to that one person. You cannot have a mindset that whatever you do doesn't matter.

[GoldRock2 290]

Actually, in terms of morality, any book that makes allowances for murder, rape, slavery and the maltreatment of women is to be... well, I'll let you be the judge.

I wasn't referring to just the Bible there. There are better religious texts that that one...

 

well your lucky some mysterious luck permitted u to grow in a study free society,wat about those who dont even know wat science is? (i may not look like it but im a scientist ans im planning to be a medical doctor).Theory is true if u do say it,study it if u want one day ull see that it makes no difference.

Good luck on becoming a doctor.

[Fen-Harel 1,176]

I wasn't referring to just the Bible there. There are better religious texts that that one...

Either way, there's no need to impose a moral law giver (god/s) in order to make a moral argument/teaching.

[yvano 35]

I wasn't referring to just the Bible there. There are better religious texts that that one...

 

 

Good luck on becoming a doctor.

euhm,thank you but im still at the pre-university level lol

Edited February 3, 2014 by yvano

[Fen-Harel 1,176]

Unfortunately, it seems I won't be able to watch the Bill Nye and Ken Ham debate because of my timezone... Hopefully I'll find a recording of it somewhere.

[Godfa7her 17]

evolution exists -.- 

we have this diversity because of the different types of DNA sequences followed by further "upgrades" creating diversity within different species.......   

 

go gold go ;)

[r_AdvocatusDiaboli0 861]

evolution exists -.- 

we have this diversity because of the different types of DNA sequences followed by further "upgrades" creating diversity within different species.......   

 

go gold go ;)

There is no such thing as an upgrade in evolution, its actually the opposite, that's the whole problem of the people who don't believe in evolution because they don't know what evolution is.

 

Evolution is not caused by upgrades, its caused by the ones that didn't get a certain upgrading... dying. Look around you, someone has blue eyes, some have black. That's just a mutation, not evolution. If all of a sudden everyone without a certain eye colour got blind because of some kind of virus or whatever that only attacks a certain eye colour, that's when you could say evolution happened. Until then, we're all homo sapiens over here :D

[GoldRock2 290]

Either way, there's no need to impose a moral law giver (god/s) in order to make a moral argument/teaching.

Agreed. That's why I'm planning on reading the Bible through when I have the time without necessarily believing in a God; simply to see for myself the moral teachings and messages it offers, and examine it as a piece of historic literature.

 

There is no such thing as an upgrade in evolution, its actually the opposite, that's the whole problem of the people who don't believe in evolution because they don't know what evolution is.

 

Evolution is not caused by upgrades, its caused by the ones that didn't get a certain upgrading... dying. Look around you, someone has blue eyes, some have black. That's just a mutation, not evolution. If all of a sudden everyone without a certain eye colour got blind because of some kind of virus or whatever that only attacks a certain eye colour, that's when you could say evolution happened. Until then, we're all homo sapiens over here :D

Excellently phrased, though it would seem he was talking about evolution in general (albeit inaccurate) terms ^_^

[HirunMeepage 763]

Just watched a Khan Academy video and came to the forum. And I was in right time, there was a topic in here too ;) 

https://www.khanacademy.org/science/biology/evolution-and-natural-selection/v/ape-clarification