Do you believe in evolution?

[Fen-Harel 1,176]

Not that any scientists have discovered. Not saying there isn't any, just saying it hasn't been proven thus making your statement not true.

 

No, he didn't. I was just referrencing to what most scientists believe to be the earth's beginning.

Your very argument is that the chance is too low for the conditions on Earth to be possible. I have explained to you that the chances of such a planet are far grater than you think. The Big Bang isn't about Earths beginning. There are also potentially habitable planets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_potential_habitable_exoplanets

 

 

 I have thought that, and I believe we have indeed adapted to earth. Obviously. But, I can bring many instances besides the water (and I'd be pleased to, in fact) which makes this earth unsually perfect for humans. It is that earth was made for us, and humans. Look around you. Do you really think that it's a coincidence we "came" (I won't use the big bang, ok?) to this planet with such perfect conditions? We have adapted to it, but how much really? Did we put in the ozone layer? Did we decide the plants would do this, and the water cycle would work lke this? Did we put the planet right where it should be so that anyone could survive here? Did we put the right amount of muscles in our body so that we could get to work and start creating buildings for warmth? We have adapted to it. But the earth and all creatures in it are just too perfectly organized it's undeniable.

All of what you named has completely naturalistic explanations.  Or do you think a god put everything into place?

[JonathanBernatowicz 119]

Your very argument is that the chance is too low for the conditions on Earth to be possible. I have explained to you that the chances of such a planet are far grater than you think. The Big Bang isn't about Earths beginning. There are also potentially habitable planets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_potential_habitable_exoplanets

None of these planets have an abundance in liquid water. So while water would be liquid in most to all those Mesoplanets (lol ) there's not an abundance of it.

 

All of what you named has completely naturalistic explanations.  Or do you think a god put everything into place?

Creativity and beauty is natural? The ozone layer has a naturalisic explanation? While you may just talk about how it works as an argument against that, you've got to admit that that's a very convenient layer, and without it, we'd all die. The ozone layer protects us from ultraviolet. How the hydrologic cycle goes in completely naturalistic? The water goes from evaporation, to condensation, to rain, to soil or bodies of water, then it all depends, but the water that goes to underground water or soil water comes back around to us humans through our systems. Then we drink it, it comes out, it eventually gets filtered (not just through what we've put out, but what God has used in the soil as well ;)) Our humanly bodies also are not naturalistic. Not only do we have a cooling system of our own (called sweat) but also muscles that grow overtime and so that we can eventually roam the planet and work. 

 

I do believe a god has put everything we need in place, and still is with us, my Lord. Now, I know you disagree with me, and it will take a whole lot to convince you that there is and ever will be a god. I will keep looking at science and either make my argument stronger, or if science does indeed disagree with my statements, I will of course change it. The science I've seen so far, shows that a god is more realistic than evolution. Maybe that'll change. I will explore all I can. I ask you to do the same, if you may. While it may not be proven, or anything like that, or it may just be a bunch of "stories"/"tales", I reccomend you to read some of the Bible. The book of John is good, but there's many other good stories in the Old Testament that are good too. It's also the most consistent historical document that is that old. (The Old Testament, and the New Testament) Some old writers (Eusebius, Joseph) have confirmed Jesus. Not saying it's true, but just saying you should at least give the other side a chance and explore the possibility. I will do so as well.

[IC-Ironclad-IC 12]

Also a large part of evolution is made up of chance.

 

 

No. It is not chance.

 

 

Think about it this way. The universe is infinitely large. Therefore, if there is a chance of the right conditions occurring in order for life to form on a planet,

 

For example: let's say the chance of having the conditions we have is 0.00000000001.

 

 

Water is the most common molecular composition in the universe, and there are hundreds of planets in the habitable zone where water would be liquid. My point was that chances are there are many such planets and we just happen to be on one of those.

 

 

 

Your very argument is that the chance is too low for the conditions on Earth to be possible. I have explained to you that the chances of such a planet are far grater than you think. The Big Bang isn't about Earths beginning.

wait what

Edited December 7, 2013 by IC-Ironclad-IC

[IC-Ironclad-IC 12]

 

 

(The Old Testament, and the New Testament) Some old writers (Eusebius, Joseph) have confirmed Jesus. Not saying it's true, but just saying you should at least give the other side a chance and explore the possibility. I will do so as well.

 

Jesus is confirmed to be a person who did really live. there is evidence of that from not only the Bible. also there are countless stories from all over the world which are similar to Noah's flood

 

[GoldRock2 290]

Your logic is flawed and extremely confusing. Maybe I'm not fully comprehending it. In this first paragraph, I see that it seems you're saying, "When there was a big bang, one planet in those bunch of planets was bound to have the right conditions for living life, AND the microscopic organisms (which is yet to point out how that came from a big bang, but let's move on) just happened to appear on that planet, and none other. And you seem to be saying that out of those "infinity" universes and planets, it's bound to have one of them with perfect conditions, perfect creativity, perfect way our body is structured, perfect distance from the sun, perfect way that the ozone layer is there to protect us from ultraviolet rays, perfect hydrologic cycle that keeps water flowing from (in basics) the ocean, to the sky, to the ground, to our mouths, out our bodies, back through the soil, and the process contiunes without flaws, perfect way the plants are set up, perfect everything to keep us living. And you're telling me that there's bound to be one planet that just happens to have a living-organism pop out of this big bang, and roam on this perfect planet, instead of any other planets? If I'm wrong about what you've said, with the probability that one of those plnetiful planets is bound to be PERFECT and a living organism appears out of nowhere, correct me as you wish.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying, actually. I'm not quite sure what's so confusing about the idea, especially since you understood it so well. Rather than dismissing it as absurd, it could be seen as a mathematically correct explanation. If the universe is infinite, then there is bound to be a planet with the correct conditions for life. As Achilles said, life often adapts to its surroundings, too, and not the other way round.

 

wait what

The first bit was about evolution, which does not occur by chance. We then diverted onto creation, for which chance plays a major role.

[r_Zesx0 39]

Tl;dr but I did notice what one of you said. So are you saying we can find H2O resources on other planets' moons?

[GoldRock2 290]

Tl;dr but I did notice what one of you said. So are you saying we can find H2O resources on other planets' moons?

Well, yes. Albeit in a non-liquid state.

[Aaron.Bohot 0]

To everyone out there, both evolutionist and non-evolutionist, I give this statement. No matter what side you are debating for, be intelligent and cordial. I know that on both sides of this issue there are people who are not either of these things. In the past I have run into rude and ignorant non-evolutionists as well as evolutionists. On this particular forum, though, as far as I know, you all have done well to be polite and thoughtful. I want to give a special shout-out to Achilles. Though we disagree on this particular topic, he has been polite in our disagreement, and has presented thought-provoking evidence. I have had much pleasure in chatting with him, and with you all, but I no longer am able to continue. Goodbye, and keep up the good work.

[monkeyburn 13,522]

The source of all life (everywhere), even that which we consider not to be life, is most definitely greater than ourselves and greater than anything we can possibly comprehend at the moment...Will we ever stop debating, and get on with life...1 billion, or more years from now, the inhabitants of our small world will look back on us and say...”Wow!”

[DrSaint 176]

Another gem from Boy Blunder

 

Well,

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In the end, it seems that water, earth, and life were all designed for each other, doesn't it? That should not surprise any scientist who believes in a supreme Designer, but it should certainly astound any scientist who does not!”

Pure imagination, I may even say scanty scientific argument smoothly transferred to a gimmick.

 

 

Well,

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First of all, water is only a liquid in a certain temperature range (above 0 degrees Celsius [32 degrees Fahrenheit] and below 100 degrees Celsius [212 degrees Fahrenheit]). Thus, in order for a planet to have liquid water, there must be regions within that temperature range. Well, the vast majority of the earth is in that temperature range, so the vast majority of the water on the earth is liquid! What controls the temperature on a planet? There are two important factors: the distance from the sun and the atmosphere. The greenhouse effect caused by earth's unique atmosphere keeps the average temperature of the earth around 50 degrees Fahrenheit. If the mixture of gases n the atmosphere were to change, the temperature would go up or down, potentially out of the range necessary for water to exist as a liquid.

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Earth's temperature is unique because of its atmosphere and its distance from the sun.

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Let me ask you;

According to your knowledge or sources, how old is our planet earth (at least answer this question)?  

Did you know our planet was not so friendly to life in it’s beginning?

Did you know water wasn't there in the beginning?

Do you know in the future life as we know it on Earth will cease to exist?

Do you know the meaning of oxygen catastrophe?

 

 

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Yes, but none of these planets have an abundance in liquid water to keep us alive, so it is specially made for us.

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Your logic is flawed and extremely confusing. Maybe I'm not fully comprehending it. ....

When are you going to understand that we are not the center piece here, nothing is made for us, it was there long before us and will be there after us, we are just a consequence (not even THE consequence) of all this around us.

About flawed logic and incomprehension you are the guy with Master’s degree here, :(  

[IC-Ironclad-IC 12]

 

According to your knowledge or sources, how old is our planet earth (at least answer this question)?  

Did you know our planet was not so friendly to life in it’s beginning?

Did you know water wasn't there in the beginning?

Do you know in the future life as we know it on Earth will cease to exist?

Do you know the meaning of oxygen catastrophe?

 

 

1. around 6000 years

2. becuz there wasnt life from the beginning lol

3. yes it was

4- yes it will, the earth will be destroyed and a new earth will be made.

5. wut

[I.D0M 601]

1. around 6000 years

That is totally not true.

 

And I don't see how you can't believe in evolution.

[IC-Ironclad-IC 12]

and i can't see how u can believe in evolution.

[DrSaint 176]

1. around 6000 years

2. becuz there wasnt life from the beginning lol

3. yes it was

4- yes it will, the earth will be destroyed and a new earth will be made.

5. wut

Says who ... you?

:P

Edited December 7, 2013 by DrSaint

[GoldRock2 290]

and i can't see how u can believe in evolution.

I'm still waiting for a response to the points I raised :P I can offer more evidence, but I am under the impression that it would unfortunately fall on deaf ears, so to speak.

[rocas02 21]

what's evolution?

[Psycho 586]

The point of the topic was to see if the majority of people in tanki believe in evolution, i can conclude that majority believe it not a real thing despite the evidence, and that it's their own views on what to believe, if it be out of fear? or lack of evidence? maybe religious reasons? 

 

The point is that most believe evolution is not real and won another note e seem to have communist!!

[DrSaint 176]

slightly_psychotic

I see you are concluding this topic ...

 

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For the sake of this article and knowledge sharing ... i would like to ask all the creationism believers to have look or research the following:

Why do human embryos have gill slits in early developments?

I am only letting you know about the existence of these things ...

[Psycho 586]

They aren't actually **gill** slits. They are pharyngeal arches and all vertebrates have them as embryos

[Reckoning 178]

An apt video for the discussion, shared by a friend of mine  :)

[media=vid]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r83ROf8coSU[/media]

Edited December 15, 2013 by Reckoning

[MasterNoob1 104]

Of course I do... rail m1 ~ rail m2 

[MasterNoob1 104]

Jk

[DrSaint 176]

They aren't actually **gill** slits. They are pharyngeal arches and all vertebrates have them as embryos

Do you know why they are still appearing /exist  in our embryogenesis (embryo genesis)?

And why, still one can call them "gill slits"?

Edited December 15, 2013 by DrSaint

[SuperNick95 5,312]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

 

Can it really be differently?

[Fresh 2,390]

well the answer to this topic is some people believe in evolution and some don't. Big deal. Close this topic please