Do you believe in evolution?

[UNDESIRABLE 147]

 

1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6
2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48
3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
5. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28
6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
things
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changeable
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
Ex 33:1,3,17,14
10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
11. God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
God is not the author of evil
1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
12. God gives freely to those who ask
James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving
them
John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
13. God is to be found by those who seek him
Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
God is not to be found by those who seek him
Prov 1:28
14. God is warlike
Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
God is peaceful
Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33
15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious
Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
God is kind, merciful, and good
James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/
1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8
16. God's anger is fierce and endures long
Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4
God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute
Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5
17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,
sacrifices ,and holy days
Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings,
sacrifices, and holy days.
Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12
18. God accepts human sacrifices
2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39
God forbids human sacrifice
Deut 12:30,31
19. God tempts men
Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13
God tempts no man
James 1:13
20. God cannot lie
Heb 6:18
God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive
2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9
21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him
Gen 6:5,7
Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him
Gen 8:21
22. God's attributes are revealed in his works.
Rom 1:20
God's attributes cannot be discovered
Job 11:7/ Is 40:28
23. There is but one God
Deut 6:4
There is a plurality of gods
Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7

Moral Precepts

24. Robbery commanded
Ex 3:21,22/ Ex 12:35,36
Robbery forbidden
Lev 19:13/ Ex 20:15
25. Lying approved and sanctioned
Josh 2:4-6/ James 2:25/ Ex 1:18-20/ 1 Kings 22:21,22
Lying forbidden
Ex 20:16/ Prov 12:22/ Rev 21:8
26. Hatred to the Edomite sanctioned
2 Kings 14:7,3
Hatred to the Edomite forbidden
Deut 23:7
27. Killing commanded
Ex 32:27
Killing forbidden
Ex 20:13
28. The blood-shedder must die
Gen 9:5,6
The blood-shedder must not die
Gen 4:15
29. The making of images forbidden
Ex 20:4
The making of images commanded
Ex 25:18,20
30. Slavery and oppression ordained
Gen 9:25/ Lev 25:45,46/ Joel 3:8
Slavery and oppression forbidden
Is 58:6/ Ex 22:21/ Ex 21:16/ Matt 23:10
31. Improvidence enjoyed
Matt 6:28,31,34/ Luke 6:30,35/ Luke 12:3
Improvidence condemned
1 Tim 5:8/ Prov 13:22
32. Anger approved
Eph 4:26
Anger disapproved
Eccl 7:9/ Prov 22:24/ James 1:20
33. Good works to be seen of men
Matt 5:16
Good works not to be seen of men
Matt 6:1
34. Judging of others forbidden
Matt 7:1,2
Judging of others approved
1 Cor 6:2-4/ 1 Cor 5:12
35. Christ taught non-resistance
Matt 5:39/ Matt 26:52
Christ taught and practiced physical resistance
Luke 22:36/ John 2:15
36. Christ warned his followers not to fear being killed
Luke 12:4
Christ himself avoided the Jews for fear of being killed
John 7:1
37. Public prayer sanctioned
1 Kings 8:22,54, 9:3
Public prayer disapproved
Matt 6:5,6
38. Importunity in prayer commended
Luke 18:5,7
Importunity in prayer condemned
Matt 6:7,8
39. The wearing of long hair by men sanctioned
Judg 13:5/ Num 6:5
The wearing of long hair by men condemned
1 Cor 11:14
40. Circumcision instituted
Gen 17:10
Circumcision condemned
Gal 5:2
41. The Sabbath instituted
Ex 20:8
The Sabbath repudiated
Is 1:13/ Rom 14:5/ Col 2:16
42. The Sabbath instituted because God rested on the seventh day
Ex 20:11
The Sabbath instituted because God brought the Israelites
out of Egypt
Deut 5:15
43. No work to be done on the Sabbath under penalty of death
Ex 31:15/ Num 15:32,36
Jesus Christ broke the Sabbath and justified his disciples in
the same
John 5:16/ Matt 12:1-3,5
44. Baptism commanded
Matt 28:19
Baptism not commanded
1 Cor 1:17,14
45. Every kind of animal allowed for food.
Gen 9:3/ 1 Cor 10:25/ Rom 14:14
Certain kinds of animals prohibited for food.
Deut 14:7,8
46. Taking of oaths sanctioned
Num 30:2/ Gen 21:23-24,31/ Gen 31:53/ Heb 6:13
Taking of oaths forbidden
Matt 5:34
47. Marriage approved
Gen 2:18/ Gen 1:28/ Matt 19:5/ Heb 13:4
Marriage disapproved
1 Cor 7:1/ 1 Cor 7:7,8
48. Freedom of divorce permitted
Deut 24:1/ Deut 21:10,11,14
Divorce restricted
Matt 5:32
49. Adultery forbidden
Ex 20:14/ Heb 13:4
Adultery allowed
Num 31:18/ Hos 1:2; 2:1-3
50. Marriage or cohabitation with a sister denounced
Deut 27:22/ Lev 20:17
Abraham married his sister and God blessed the union
Gen 20:11,12/ Gen 17:16
51. A man may marry his brother's widow
Deut 25:5
A man may not marry his brother's widow
Lev 20:21
52. Hatred to kindred enjoined
Luke 14:26
Hatred to kindred condemned
Eph 6:2/ Eph 5:25,29
53. Intoxicating beverages recommended
Prov 31:6,7/ 1 Tim 5:23/ Ps 104:15
Intoxicating beverages discountenanced
Prov 20:1/ Prov 23:31,32
54. It is our duty to obey our rulers, who are God's ministers
and punish evil doers only
Rom 13:1-3,6
It is not our duty to obey rulers, who sometimes punish the
good and receive unto themselves damnation therefor
Ex 1:17,20/ Dan 3:16,18/ Dan 6:9,7,10/ Acts 4:26,27/
Mark 12:38,39,40/ Luke 23:11,24,33,35
55. Women's rights denied
Gen 3:16/ 1 Tim 2:12/ 1 Cor 14:34/ 1 Pet 3:6
Women's rights affirmed
Judg 4:4,14,15/ Judg 5:7/ Acts 2:18/ Acts 21:9
56. Obedience to masters enjoined
Col 3:22,23/ 1 Pet 2:18
Obedience due to God only
Matt 4:10/ 1 Cor 7:23/ Matt 23:10
57. There is an unpardonable sin
Mark 3:29
There is not unpardonable sin
Acts 13:39

Historical Facts

58. Man was created after the other animals
Gen 1:25,26,27
Man was created before the other animals
Gen 2:18,19
59. Seed time and harvest were never to cease
Gen 8:22
Seed time and harvest did cease for seven years
Gen 41:54,56/ Gen 45:6
60. God hardened Pharaoh's heart
Ex 4:21/ Ed 9:12
Pharaoh hardened his own heart
Ex 8:15
61. All the cattle and horses in Egypt died
Ex 9:3,6/ 14:9
All the horses of Egypt did not die
Ex 14:9
62. Moses feared Pharaoh
Ex 2:14,15,23; 4:19
Moses did not fear Pharaoh
Heb 11:27
63. There died of the plague twenty-four thousand
Num 25:9
There died of the plague but twenty-three thousand
1 Cor 10:8
64. John the Baptist was Elias
Matt 11:14
John the Baptist was not Elias
John 1:21
65. The father of Joseph, Mary's husband was Jacob
Matt 1:16
The father of Mary's husband was Heli
Luke 3:23
66. The father of Salah was Arphaxad
Gen 11:12
The father of Salah was Cainan
Luke 3:35,36
67. There were fourteen generations from Abraham to David
Matt 1:17
There were but thirteen generations from Abraham to David
Matt 1:2-6
68. There were fourteen generations from the Babylonian captivity
to Christ.
Matt 1:17
There were but thirteen generations from the Babylonian
captivity to Christ
Matt 1:12-16
69. The infant Christ was taken into Egypt
Matt 2:14,15,19,21,23
The infant Christ was not taken into Egypt
Luke 2:22, 39
70. Christ was tempted in the wilderness
Mark 1:12,13
Christ was not tempted in the wilderness
John 2:1,2
71. Christ preached his first sermon on the mount
Matt 5:1,2
Christ preached his first sermon on the plain
Luke 6:17,20
72. John was in prison when Jesus went into Galilee
Mark 1:14
John was not in prison when Jesus went into Galilee
John 1:43/ John 3:22-24
73. Christ's disciples were commanded to go forth with a staff
and sandals
Mark 6:8,9
Christ's disciples were commanded to go forth with neither
staffs nor sandals.
Matt 10:9,10
74. A woman of Canaan besought Jesus
Matt 15:22
It was a Greek woman who besought Him
Mark 7:26
75. Two blind men besought Jesus
Matt 20:30
Only one blind man besought Him
Luke 18:35,38
76. Christ was crucified at the third hour
Mark 15:25
Christ was not crucified until the sixth hour
John 19:14,15
77. The two thieves reviled Christ.
Matt 27:44/ Mark 15:32
Only one of the thieves reviled Christ
Luke 23:39,40
78. Satan entered into Judas while at supper
John 13:27
Satan entered into him before the supper
Luke 22:3,4,7
79. Judas committed suicide by hanging
Matt 27:5
Judas did not hang himself, but died another way
Acts 1:18
80. The potter's field was purchased by Judas
Acts 1:18
The potter's field was purchased by the Chief Priests
Matt 27:6,7
81. There was but one woman who came to the sepulchre
John 20:1
There were two women who came to the sepulchre
Matt 28:1
82. There were three women who came to the sepulchre
Mark 16:1
There were more than three women who came to the sepulchre
Luke 24:10
83. It was at sunrise when they came to the sepulchre
Mark 16:2
It was some time before sunrise when they came.
John 20:1
84. There were two angels seen by the women at the sepulchre, and
they were standing up.
Luke 24:4
There was but one angel seen, and he was sitting down.
Matt 28:2,5
85. There were two angels seen within the sepulchre.
John 20:11,12
There was but one angel seen within the sepulchre
Mark 16:5
86. Christ was to be three days and three nights in the grave
Matt 12:40
Christ was but two days and two nights in the grave
Mark 15:25,42,44,45,46; 16:9>
87. Holy ghost bestowed at pentecost
Acts 1:8,5
Holy ghost bestowed before pentecost
John 20:22
88. The disciples were commanded immediately after the
resurrection to go into Galilee
Matt 28:10
The disciples were commanded immediately after the
resurrection to go tarry at Jerusalem
Luke 24:49
89. Jesus first appeared to the eleven disciples in a room at
Jerusalem
Luke 24:33,36,37/ John 20:19
Jesus first appeared to the eleven on a mountain in Galilee
Matt 28:16,17
90. Christ ascended from Mount Olivet
Acts 1:9,12
Christ ascended from Bethany
Luke 24:50,51
91. Paul's attendants heard the miraculous voice, and stood
speechless
Acts 9:7
Paul's attendants heard not the voice and were prostrate
Acts 26:14
92. Abraham departed to go into Canaan
Gen 12:5
Abraham went not knowing where
Heb 11:8
93. Abraham had two sons
Gal 4:22
Abraham had but one son
Heb 11:17
94. Keturah was Abraham's wife
Gen 25:1
Keturah was Abraham's concubine
1 Chron 1:32
95. Abraham begat a son when he was a hundred years old, by the
interposition of Providence
Gen 21:2/ Rom 4:19/ Heb 11:12
Abraham begat six children more after he was a hundred years
old without any interposition of providence
Gen 25:1,2
96. Jacob bought a sepulchre from Hamor
Josh 24:32
Abraham bought it of Hamor
Acts 7:16
97. God promised the land of Canaan to Abraham and his seed
forever
Gen 13:14,15,17; 17:8
Abraham and his seed never received the promised land
Acts 7:5/ Heb 11:9,13
98. Goliath was slain by Elhanan
2 Sam 21:19 *note, was changed in translation to be
correct. Original manuscript was incorrect>
The brother of Goliath was slain by Elhanan
1 Chron 20:5
99. Ahaziah began to reign in the twelfth year of Joram
2 Kings 8:25
Ahaziah began to reign in the eleventh year of Joram
2 Kings 9:29
100. Michal had no child
2 Sam 6:23
Michal had five children
2 Sam 21:8
101. David was tempted by the Lord to number Israel
2 Sam 24:1
David was tempted by Satan to number the people
1 Chron 21:1
102. The number of fighting men of Israel was 800,000; and of
Judah 500,000
2 Sam 24:9
The number of fighting men of Israel was 1,100,000; and of
Judah 470,000
1 Chron 21:5
103. David sinned in numbering the people
2 Sam 24:10
David never sinned, except in the matter of Uriah
1 Kings 15:5
104. One of the penalties of David's sin was seven years of
famine.
2 Sam 24:13
It was not seven years, but three years of famine
1 Chron 21:11,12
105. David took seven hundred horsemen
2 Sam 8:4
David took seven thousand horsemen
1 Chron 18:4
106. David bought a threshing floor for fifty shekels of silver
2 Sam 24:24
David bought the threshing floor for six hundred shekels of
gold
1 Chron 21:25
107. David's throne was to endure forever.
Ps 89:35-37
David's throne was cast down
Ps 89:44

 

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

If children can be brainwashed easily, y no brainwash them with something else? -.-

You mean like Santa and the tooth fairy! They're not real either! The only reason why children stop believing in those things is because they're told while they're still young by authority figures or their peers. Hope I've not spoiled that for you.

[MeCTb_3a_armenia1313 271]

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.

-Albert Einstein. 

[GoldRock2 290]

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.

-Albert Einstein.

Great quote, actually. IMO, religion is about finding out why we exist, whereas science is how we came to exist.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

Ever since humans have had the ability to think and to reason, they must have looked up to the stars and wondered, where did all this come from. To them, there must have been some big people with special powers that made it all. Anything back then was miraculous because they did not know why nature did what it did. It must have been God because nobody can explain it.

 

One by one, the unanswered questions in science that creationists have attributed to a God, are getting answered, pushing the "God must have done it" reason to an ever decreasing realm of fantasy.

 

The Church backtracked when Galileo discovered with his telescope the Earth was not the centre of the universe. And so they backtracked again when all the supporting evidence backed up Darwins theory of Evolution. They're always backtracking with each new discovery.

 

Einstein proved atoms existed in 1905 just by studying pollen grains in a liquid. Here we are a century later with Quantum Theory, which describes how nature behaves at the microscopic level. What can we learn in another 100 years... or 500 years for that matter!

 

Great quote, actually. IMO, religion is about finding out why we exist, whereas science is how we came to exist.

That reminded me of Feynman's view

 

This too.

 

 

 

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[GoldRock2 290]

The Church backtracked when Galileo discovered with his telescope the Earth was not the centre of the universe. And so they backtracked again when all the supporting evidence backed up Darwins theory of Evolution. They're always backtracking with each new discovery.

Interesting point, actually. The Church was not always as accepting of science as it is now - by modifying itself to accept science to some degree, it would seem the Church has been forced to accept the validity of many of the concepts science has raised. 

 

Oh, and interesting picture ^_^

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[SonofDeath 512]

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[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

Interesting point, actually. The Church was not always as accepting of science as it is now - by modifying itself to accept science to some degree, it would seem the Church has been forced to accept the validity of many of the concepts science has raised. 

 

Oh, and interesting picture ^_^

Yeah, the church actively denounced Galileo, putting his book and Copernicus' book before him in their index of forbidden books. They tried Galileo for heresy and sentenced to life imprisonment.

Just like today, an equivalence can be found in how some people still believe that the Earth to be a few thousand years old, back then, they thought that everything orbited the Earth. Discoveries like Galileo's are a danger to religion and are to be fought until they look stupid (and then some).

 

Wow, look at this topic - Feynman, Galileo, Einstein, Copernicus. Someone mention Newton. It will never ever happen again in tanki history!

[SonofDeath 512]

“Every man takes the limits of his own field of vision for the limits of the world.” 

 

 Arthur Schopenhauer

 

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.

 

-Albert Einstein

 

Think about it

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[GoldRock2 290]

Yeah, the church actively denounced Galileo, putting his book and Copernicus' book before him in their index of forbidden books. They tried Galileo for heresy and sentenced to life imprisonment.

Just like today, an equivalence can be found in how some people still believe that the Earth to be a few thousand years old, back then, they thought that everything orbited the Earth. Discoveries like Galileo's are a danger to religion and are to be fought until they look stupid (and then some).

 

Wow, look at this topic - Feynman, Galileo, Einstein, Copernicus. Someone mention Newton. It will never ever happen again in tanki history!

Yes, Copernicus was clever enough to get his book ('On the Revoultions of the Heavenly Spheres', I believe, but in Latin of course) published after his death, for the same reasons.

 

Well, it's great we're able to have such discussion here :P

[Fen-Harel 1,176]

To Hirl123, which mistake?

 

Correct. But, he's been alive for much, much, much, much, (much infinity times more) more than that.

 

God isn't in the known universe.

He's God, he's not of human intellect and like. He doesn't get bored like we do.

 

You say a god (define god and which one) isn't in the known universe, yet put descriptions on him/her/it?

 

Great quote, actually. IMO, religion is about finding out why we exist, whereas science is how we came to exist.

 

Science has a pretty good answer as to why we exist, formation of the universe, stars forming planets, Earth cooling down etc. But to ask why in a sense that there is something that wants us to exist is foolish, since we are only a small dot in the whole universe, unimportant to anyone but ourselves.

 

Interesting point, actually. The Church was not always as accepting of science as it is now - by modifying itself to accept science to some degree, it would seem the Church has been forced to accept the validity of many of the concepts science has raised. 

 

Oh, and interesting picture ^_^

This is a bit like the god of the gaps, whatever we don't know we put a supernatural explenation. However as we know more the gap starts getting smaller.

[Psycho 586]

why do people not believe, yes it's your choice but if i had my way you'd all believe it.

[flae88 948]

why do people not believe, yes it's your choice but if i had my way you'd all believe it.

If I had my way no one on this forum would be alive, but I don't have my way, neither do you.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

why do people not believe, yes it's your choice but if i had my way you'd all believe it.

 

The place to live is North West Europe and Japan according to this survey by Jon Miller, et al./Science 2006

While I accept a person's right to their own opinion, I do think it's a sad and sorry state of affairs, especially

in this day and age. To me at least, it demonstrates that many are still living in the dark-ages, clinging defiantly

to the literal word of whatever holy book they read, despite the mountains of proof that is now assembled.

 

Next, somebody will be saying the world is only 6000 years old!

 

 

 

 

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[GoldRock2 290]

Science has a pretty good answer as to why we exist, formation of the universe, stars forming planets, Earth cooling down etc. But to ask why in a sense that there is something that wants us to exist is foolish, since we are only a small dot in the whole universe, unimportant to anyone but ourselves.

I agree that religion does offer inherently selfish ideas at times (i.e. that we are the "chosen people", that the Earth is the metaphorical/centre centre of the universe and is the only place where life could exist, and that as humans only we have the opportunity to have a true relationship with God). All of that is there just to make us feel better about ourselves, to feel special... when on a universal scale, as you said, we are most likely insignificant.

 

However (and this is a big however), the processes you quoted only really explain how we came to exist. Why do we actually exist - what is our purpose? Here, as an atheist, is where I believe religion and philosophy are invaluable. The diverse moral/philosophical truths which religion can offer should not be ignored.

 

What about researching 'racist' I aint a christian

I never said you were - that was simply an example of a religious person who accepts evolution in some form... Congratulations on missing the point of my response entirely.

 

(My apologies for any abruptness - it's not personal, so do not think it is. I am simply interested in debating this particular subject. Thanks for your continued responses, they definitely have raised some good points!)

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[SonofDeath 512]

It is human ignorance that leads us to believe that we are “special”

That we are the sole being in the billions of Galaxies, with the ability to survive and thrive

That this earth was made for us.

We simply cannot contemplate the fact that we are not important, and never will be in the grand scheme of things

Or the fact that we were never meant to exist, that we are a by-product, an accident

 

Ignorance is a bliss, but when we as a species  remain Ignorant, it will  be the end of us all

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[Fen-Harel 1,176]

I agree that religion does offer inherently selfish ideas at times (i.e. that we are the "chosen people", that the Earth is the metaphorical/centre centre of the universe and is the only place where life could exist, and that as humans only we have the opportunity to have a true relationship with God). All of that is there just to make us feel better about ourselves, to feel special... when on a universal scale, as you said, we are most likely insignificant.

 

However (and this is a big however), the processes you quoted only really explain how we came to exist. Why do we actually exist - what is our purpose? Here, as an atheist, is where I believe religion and philosophy are invaluable. The diverse moral/philosophical truths which religion can offer should not be ignored.

 

Why do you think there is a purpose other than the one you give yourself? Whichever you look at it we are imperfectly evolved primates on a rock among billions of others. Humans are made to look for purpose, that is how we're evolved. When you ask children if a tree is there because animals need a place to scratch or if it's there because it grew out of a seed etc. they would say it's there for the animals. But we can now look wider than what we're originally evolved for, hard as it is. There simply isn't any reason to think we're here because there is a purpose for us. You can't give order where there isn't any, no matter how much you want.

[GoldRock2 290]

Why do you think there is a purpose other than the one you give yourself? Whichever you look at it we are imperfectly evolved primates on a rock among billions of others. Humans are made to look for purpose, that is how we're evolved. When you ask children if a tree is there because animals need a place to scratch or if it's there because it grew out of a seed etc. they would say it's there for the animals. But we can now look wider than what we're originally evolved for, hard as it is. There simply isn't any reason to think we're here because there is a purpose for us. You can't give order where there isn't any, no matter how much you want.

You misunderstand me; possibly because I was not clear enough with my question. I do not mean we were created or exist for any particular purpose. But now we exist, how should we live our lives? What should we, as individuals and a people, aim for? Yes, I agree that it is most likely that there is no one 'purpose' behind our coming to exist, but now we do exist, we might as well contemplate what we should do with the skills evolution has offered us. For many, the topics of religion and philosophy (so not necessarily just theism, but also ideas such as humanism and spiritualism) offers some sensible answers to those questions, which science will never be able to do.

[Fen-Harel 1,176]

You misunderstand me; possibly because I was not clear enough with my question. I do not mean we were created or exist for any particular purpose. But now we exist, how should we live our lives? What should we, as individuals and a people, aim for? Yes, I agree that it is most likely that there is no one 'purpose' behind our coming to exist, but now we do exist, we might as well contemplate what we should do with the skills evolution has offered us. For many, the topics of religion and philosophy (so not necessarily just theism, but also ideas such as humanism and spiritualism) offers some sensible answers to those questions, which science will never be able to do.

From evolutionary perspective we have to do all we can to survive and draw guidelines from that.

So your point is that science can't answer for morality. Well, the goal of a species is to survive and there are some things that it needs to do; life is preferable to death for a species that dies more than reproduces goes extinct, so those who kill are excluded from the society. Same can be done with stealing, people not taking things from each other reduces violence making the society more stable. This is how all morality is made, religious or otherwise.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

For many, the topics of religion and philosophy (so not necessarily just theism, but also ideas such as humanism and spiritualism) offers some sensible answers to those questions, which science will never be able to do.

 

They will offer answers maybe which will no doubt be of comfort to many. You were careful enough not to suggest those answers were true though. I agree with that to a point. My mother is a Christian and although I toy with her from time to time on the subject of evolution/theism, I stop well short of demolishing her arguments because she is content and comforted by those beliefs.

 

On the point of purpose, as far as I can tell, we don't have a purpose other than to deal with the hand you're dealt.

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I agree that religion does offer inherently selfish ideas at times (i.e. that we are the "chosen people", that the Earth is the metaphorical/centre centre of the universe and is the only place where life could exist, and that as humans only we have the opportunity to have a true relationship with God). All of that is there just to make us feel better about ourselves, to feel special... when on a universal scale, as you said, we are most likely insignificant.

 

You do not really understand what you wrote my friend. :) 

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Evolution exists. And that I say as being a christian. Evolution is a fact, but it's because life works that way. But.. I believe the world has been created by God.

My teacher once said: "Everyone believes, even if they say they don't."

 

Also, yesterday I heard a story of a man, telling that one of his colleagues always claimed to be an atheist. But when his wife died, and 

he was angry about that, he screamed to the sky, to the heaven, to God: "Why did You do this to her? Why not to me?"

Later in his life, he became Christian, but he did not dare to go to church, because he was ashamed of what he had done and said in the past, when he still

said that there was no God. I'm trying to say that even when you say that you're an atheist, you're not.

 

Also, my geography teacher told me there a lots of articels which would confirm creation are not published, because the scientific world is

all about evolution and the big bang. They're scared that those articels will show the world that this 'big bang theory' is non-sense.

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Also, my geography teacher told me there a lots of articels which would confirm creation are not published, because the scientific world is

all about evolution and the big bang. They're scared that those articels will show the world that this 'big bang theory' is non-sense

LOL  :lol:

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Evolution exists. And that I say as being a christian. Evolution is a fact, but it's because life works that way. But.. I believe the world has been created by God.

My teacher once said: "Everyone believes, even if they say they don't."

 

Also, yesterday I heard a story of a man, telling that one of his colleagues always claimed to be an atheist. But when his wife died, and 

he was angry about that, he screamed to the sky, to the heaven, to God: "Why did You do this to her? Why not to me?"

Later in his life, he became Christian, but he did not dare to go to church, because he was ashamed of what he had done and said in the past, when he still

said that there was no God. I'm trying to say that even when you say that you're an atheist, you're not.

Yes, we all secretly believe but are pretending because we are ashamed of being wrong. You have managed to see trough our secret...

On a serious note, this person was obviously under despair, which is not at all a persuasive reason to believe in a deity.

 

 

Also, my geography teacher told me there a lots of articels which would confirm creation are not published, because the scientific world is

all about evolution and the big bang. They're scared that those articels will show the world that this 'big bang theory' is non-sense.

Ah, the great scientific conspiracy, that makes perfect sense. Because we don't want people to get close to the truth.

It's not like religion ever tried to hide the truth from others, except that time they did * cough * burning people for saying that the Earth isn't the center of the universe * cough *...

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Yes, we all secretly believe but are pretending because we are ashamed of being wrong. You have managed to see trough our secret...

On a serious note, this person was obviously under despair, which is not at all a persuasive reason to believe in a deity.

 

 

Ah, the great scientific conspiracy, that makes perfect sense. Because we don't want people to get close to the truth.

It's not like religion ever tried to hide the truth from others, except that time they did * cough * burning people for saying that the Earth isn't the center of the universe * cough *...

I think his anger made him show that he did belief, just that.

You judge me by what people did in the past. I find that unfair because I'm not like that, I just don't believe in an Earth which is billions of years old.