Do you believe in evolution?

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

Well according to you it doesn't. Interesting. I'm curious to see if anybody else here thinks it does, but if it doesn't and Creationism does then Creationism certainly has the edge on a very important part of life. Extremely important. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

The majority of creationists and virtually all evolution supporters will tell you the same thing.

Don't ask me to prove it for you. Look it up yourself. This is not hard to verify when both sides are in general agreement.

 

I'm not here to argue right now. I'm here to gather arguments. Please talk about the origin of life, without very many complicated words if you may. Also, would you agree that if there is no god, there is no purpose for life? While you may say it's just to have fun, there's ultimately no point in living life, am I right?

I believe there is no God. I believe that we don't have a special purpose in the universe but that's not to say we can't make our lives meaningful and purposeful once we're here. Life is about a bunch of self replicating chemicals/molecules that got complex. Watch the 3 videos I posted on this page. They're made easy and simple to follow and they've stood up to criticism by both sides of the argument.

 

For example Creationism believes that there is a point because when you die you will go to heaven ultimately and receive jewels for all the good deeds you've done and live a wonderful life there with our Lord and Savior. But if there is no god, if there is no heaven, then all there is is two dates, a beginning of your life and an end. Nothing else, really. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'd like to see your point of view.

You forgot to add, "then all there is is two dates, a beginning of your life and an end. Nothing else really for all the good deeds they've done"

Yes, that pretty much sums it up.

 

Also, if there was life on earth, then wouldn't their be alien life forms on Mars? Life forms that would adapt to the temperature, air amount, and survive just like life forms did here? Again, I'm just gathering your arguments, please excuse me.

 There are those who believe life on Earth could have arose from life on Mars (making us all Martians). 

 

To everyone! On Tuesday, February 4th a VERY interesting debate takes place. Bill Nye (The science guy, but a very smart and intelligent evolutionist) debates his points against Ken Ham (a very smart and intelligent Creationist). While I'm certainly not claiming that whoever wins their argument is correct because in many debates I know that to not be true, but it will be...interesting if you may agree with me here to see this particular debate.

I read about that. Dawkins has criticised Nye for agreeing to give a spotlight to the creationist cause. No matter how much proof you give, no matter how much evidence there is, people such as Ham will always say a God did it so prove me wrong. Bang your head against the wall time.

[Fen-Harel 1,176]

Well according to you it doesn't. Interesting. I'm curious to see if anybody else here thinks it does, but if it doesn't and Creationism does then Creationism certainly has the edge on a very important part of life. Extremely important. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Well, no... Since you're yet to prove a god to create the world. We now have much better answers than that.

 

 

I'm not here to argue right now. I'm here to gather arguments. Please talk about the origin of life, without very many complicated words if you may. Also, would you agree that if there is no god, there is no purpose for life? While you may say it's just to have fun, there's ultimately no point in living life, am I right? For example Creationism believes that there is a point because when you die you will go to heaven ultimately and receive jewels for all the good deeds you've done and live a wonderful life there with our Lord and Savior. But if there is no god, if there is no heaven, then all there is is two dates, a beginning of your life and an end. Nothing else, really. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'd like to see your point of view. Also, if there was life on earth, then wouldn't their be alien life forms on Mars? Life forms that would adapt to the temperature, air amount, and survive just like life forms did here? Again, I'm just gathering your arguments, please excuse me.

 

To everyone! On Tuesday, February 4th a VERY interesting debate takes place. Bill Nye (The science guy, but a very smart and intelligent evolutionist) debates his points against Ken Ham (a very smart and intelligent Creationist). While I'm certainly not claiming that whoever wins their argument is correct because in many debates I know that to not be true, but it will be...interesting if you may agree with me here to see this particular debate.

Gathering arguments is what I meant by arguing. The purpose of life would be irrelevant to the question of whether we are created by a god or evolved, however I'll answer the question; no we don't have a purpose outside of our own (You can give your life a purpose to live it the best you can etc. but not that the universe has some sort of plan for you). I don't think there was alien life on Mars since the particular conditions are not met that we know of, but it is possible that somewhere in the universe a different way of the origin of life might have occurred. Ken Ham again, the guy who wrote the answersingenesis? The same guy who taught children that because a god is older than the scientist we shouldn't listen to science? The guy who made the creationist museum? That "intelligent" creationist? I have listened to him a few times, every time he mistakenly talks about evolution.

 

 

Hitchens will always be the best debater though.

 

 

Yvano, the ancestor ape evolved just as we have. And that ancestor evolved too, and so on. You keep pointing at the origin of life for some reason? Hope or not, I will not impose an incorrect answer to make myself feel good, I feel well with this mindset. The closest you can have to a given purpose is to survive.

[GoldRock2 290]

I read about that. Dawkins has criticised Nye for agreeing to give a spotlight to the creationist cause. No matter how much proof you give, no matter how much evidence there is, people such as Ham will always say a God did it so prove me wrong. Bang your head against the wall time.

If there's one subject for which some people will never be able to consider another side to the argument, then it has to be religion. I bet that even if some super technologically-advanced aliens visited Earth and told us their own more detailed and solid theories on the origins of the universe, you'd almost certainly have some guys running around with their fingers jammed stubbornly into their ears, shouting "These aliens are an ILLUSION sent by the DEVIL! We were made in GOD'S LIKENESS! Do not be distracted from the TRUE PATH of GOD!"

[already.dead 360]

receive jewels for all the good deeds you've done

 

 

wat

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[RampagingVenom 554]

Yes & here is my evidence :D

[Irontank1v 836]

:lol:

[D1E 257]

Evolution is obviously rubbish considering the ideas.  Some points:

 

-How the heck did they evolve?

-Why did they evolve? 

-Why have they decided to stop evolving?

[D1E 257]

If there's one subject for which some people will never be able to consider another side to the argument, then it has to be religion. I bet that even if some super technologically-advanced aliens visited Earth and told us their own more detailed and solid theories on the origins of the universe, you'd almost certainly have some guys running around with their fingers jammed stubbornly into their ears, shouting "These aliens are an ILLUSION sent by the DEVIL! We were made in GOD'S LIKENESS! Do not be distracted from the TRUE PATH of GOD!"

Ok

 

Thing is, I don't see any aliens.

[SonofDeath 512]

Evolution is obviously rubbish considering the ideas.  Some points:

 

-How the heck did they evolve?

-Why did they evolve? 

-Why have they decided to stop evolving?

You are obviously rubbish. Some points

 

-Ask a person who studies them, not a bunch of kids

-Because they needed to adapt to their environment, or die and they choose to adapt

-Noone stopped evolving, its just that evolution happens at a slow rate

[D1E 257]

You are obviously rubbish. Some points

 

-Ask a person who studies them, not a bunch of kids

-Because they needed to adapt to their environment, or die and they choose to adapt

-Noone stopped evolving, its just that evolution happens at a slow rate

That's a nice coincidence.  Let's make a theory that no one can prove or disprove.

 

Also, why is it we are the only race capable of talking and being civilized?  Why can't others?

Edited January 25, 2014 by D1E

[Reeco9 1,567]

Evolution is obviously rubbish considering the ideas.  Some points:

 

-How the heck did they evolve?

-Why did they evolve? 

-Why have they decided to stop evolving?

Some simple searching on the internet should answer these questions, but..

Organisms evolve to help them suit their surrounding environment, which will give them more chance of survival.

And, 'they' haven't decided to stop evolving. Evolution takes place over thousands and thousands of years, so we could still be evolving now.

 

I'm not sure what country you're from, but this is basic information which you should've learned in school.

[D1E 257]

Some simple searching on the internet should answer these questions, but..

Organisms evolve to help them suit their surrounding environment, which will give them more chance of survival.

And, 'they' haven't decided to stop evolving. Evolution takes place over thousands and thousands of years, so we could still be evolving now.

 

I'm not sure what country you're from, but this is basic information which you should've learned in school.

Strange that, although in the last 1000 years, there haven't been any changes 

 

from somalia ok

[Fen-Harel 1,176]

Lankbouvdupe98, are you trolling? Seriously, this has been answered already in the previous pages. We evolve to adapt and survive. Natural selection and gene mutation is what are the strong factors in evolution (others are surroundings etc.). You can disprove evolution, one of the more popular ones are finding a fossil bunny in the precambrian. And we evolve constantly, it's a property of life. Evolution doesn't happen in 1000 years, it lasts millions of years, depending on the species.

[JonathanBernatowicz 119]

 

Well, no... Since you're yet to prove a god to create the world. We now have much better answers than that.

And those are? Please explain, because the way I see you're yet to prove micro-organisms created the world/a big bang or whatever did it. 

 

According to Evolutionists and Creationists alike, I've seen they've said that science cannot prove anything really. Especially not indirect observation. Now, while we're yet to prove there's a god, you just put yourself in a queer statement because you should know science cannot prove anything and that even if it did you haven't got much more progress if any in explaining your theory. Now, a god seems pretty realistic to be honest. This is a wonderful life, with loads of dangers that could kill us all on earth or greatly threaten us if there was on a protection barrier. (Such as the ozone field being there to protect us from the wicked rays from the sun, or the magnetic field protecting us all in all) So if a god put it all in place, that would make much more sense when I look at it. Also, if he's a god, it would make much more sense than a big bang creating the world and everything in existence because a big bang is a "object" looking at it technically. It's an explosion, yes? A god is a god so a god could live forever. Noone ever needed to create the god. Because it's a god. Our God. 

 

However, I did request you to explain it to me, and you didn't do that. In fact, you made it more complicated and twisted and just said the evolutionist argument has better explanations. Tell me what they are, please.

 

If there's one subject for which some people will never be able to consider another side to the argument, then it has to be religion. I bet that even if some super technologically-advanced aliens visited Earth and told us their own more detailed and solid theories on the origins of the universe, you'd almost certainly have some guys running around with their fingers jammed stubbornly into their ears, shouting "These aliens are an ILLUSION sent by the DEVIL! We were made in GOD'S LIKENESS! Do not be distracted from the TRUE PATH of GOD!"

Well then please prove me wrong. Because to me it seems like Evolutionists (or distracted Evolutionists) favorite and most despicable argument to get away from a subject. Back to topic please, because I need to know if this is the only argument you guys have. Thank-you, Jonathan

 

wat
o_O

That's kind of what it says in Revelation.

 

You are obviously rubbish. Some points

 

-Ask a person who studies them, not a bunch of kids

-Because they needed to adapt to their environment, or die and they choose to adapt

-Noone stopped evolving, its just that evolution happens at a slow rate

-Well that's an interesting statement. 

-So, they have a mind of their own to adapt, now?

-So how long now? How long to see a small yet significant difference in the human face? Because there has not been a change to humans in the last 1k years.

 

Also, why is it we are the only race capable of talking and being civilized?  Why can't others?

 

There's the question of the centuries IMO. Because if Apes were evolved into humans, wouldn't there be no Apes? Or if Apes evolved into humans, wouldn't other creatures such as Monkeys, Giraffes, or Lions evolve into someone greater as well that can be civilized.

[Fen-Harel 1,176]

 

 

And those are? Please explain, because the way I see you're yet to prove micro-organisms created the world/a big bang or whatever did it. 

 

According to Evolutionists and Creationists alike, I've seen they've said that science cannot prove anything really. Especially not indirect observation. Now, while we're yet to prove there's a god, you just put yourself in a queer statement because you should know science cannot prove anything and that even if it did you haven't got much more progress if any in explaining your theory. Now, a god seems pretty realistic to be honest. This is a wonderful life, with loads of dangers that could kill us all on earth or greatly threaten us if there was on a protection barrier. (Such as the ozone field being there to protect us from the wicked rays from the sun, or the magnetic field protecting us all in all) So if a god put it all in place, that would make much more sense when I look at it. Also, if he's a god, it would make much more sense than a big bang creating the world and everything in existence because a big bang is a "object" looking at it technically. It's an explosion, yes? A god is a god so a god could live forever. Noone ever needed to create the god. Because it's a god. Our God. 

 

However, I did request you to explain it to me, and you didn't do that. In fact, you made it more complicated and twisted and just said the evolutionist argument has better explanations. Tell me what they are, please.

 

Well then please prove me wrong. Because to me it seems like Evolutionists (or distracted Evolutionists) favorite and most despicable argument to get away from a subject. Back to topic please, because I need to know if this is the only argument you guys have. Thank-you, Jonathan

 

That's kind of what it says in Revelation.

 

-Well that's an interesting statement. 

-So, they have a mind of their own to adapt, now?

-So how long now? How long to see a small yet significant difference in the human face? Because there has not been a change to humans in the last 1k years.

 

 

There's the question of the centuries IMO. Because if Apes were evolved into humans, wouldn't there be no Apes? Or if Apes evolved into humans, wouldn't other creatures such as Monkeys, Giraffes, or Lions evolve into someone greater as well that can be civilized.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis There you can find lots of info and links to books on the subject. Yes, nothing can be proven completely outside or mathematics. But a god isn't what we've observed, a god is not needed for all the events to happen. The Big Bang isn't an explosion. It's an expansion. I am not a physicist or biologist to explain it in the best way. It's basically a singularity of energy in another state. As matter or energy can't be created or destroyed they have always existed in some form or another, then it changed its state to what we have now.

A god is a bad explanation since a whole deity is complex and requires explanation on it's own. If you pose it as eternal, then we can simply say the universe is eternal and has no cause. But you need to realize that there are many better sources for information than a random guy on the internet. "Something from nothing" by Laurence Krauss, "Origins of species" Charles Darwin, "The blind watchmaker" Richard Dawkins are all useful information.

 

Survival shapes evolution. Traits that survive reproduce and are more used. That's the simple method of natural selection.

 

Evolution's goal is not to form humans, it's to adapt and survive. We are not the finished product of evolution, we are still evolving and so are other animals.

[yvano 35]

Well, no... Since you're yet to prove a god to create the world. We now have much better answers than that.

 

 

Gathering arguments is what I meant by arguing. The purpose of life would be irrelevant to the question of whether we are created by a god or evolved, however I'll answer the question; no we don't have a purpose outside of our own (You can give your life a purpose to live it the best you can etc. but not that the universe has some sort of plan for you). I don't think there was alien life on Mars since the particular conditions are not met that we know of, but it is possible that somewhere in the universe a different way of the origin of life might have occurred. Ken Ham again, the guy who wrote the answersingenesis? The same guy who taught children that because a god is older than the scientist we shouldn't listen to science? The guy who made the creationist museum? That "intelligent" creationist? I have listened to him a few times, every time he mistakenly talks about evolution.

 

 

Hitchens will always be the best debater though.

 

 

Yvano, the ancestor ape evolved just as we have. And that ancestor evolved too, and so on. You keep pointing at the origin of life for some reason? Hope or not, I will not impose an incorrect answer to make myself feel good, I feel well with this mindset. The closest you can have to a given purpose is to survive.

if people create their own purpose of living out of their experiences then life would be a chaos,let me give you a good example,in the past during the holy wars,when people did not  want to abide to the muslim religion,the fought holy wars and killed them and in their logic they thought it was the right thing to do because they were assured a place in heaven and thats wat gave a meaning to their living!imagine urself getting killed because u dont want to abide to a particular way of thinking.in the late 90s in america there lived a very renowned assassin called Two Gun Crowley,when he was finally arrested after a fierce battle between him and law enforcement agents imagine wat he said when he was about to be executed on the electric chair in singsing: This is my punishment for havin wanted to defend myself!Al Capone once said  :Ive passed the best moments of my life giving pleasure and amusement tothe society and wat has been my reward?insults and a life of a bandit in pursuit,U see he did not consider himself a bandit whilst he was instead he thought of himself as a benefactor(someone who killed for mere pleasure),imagine the chaos,u see not everyone has good intentions and u agree with me that the world will be a better place if everyone had the same way of living.u put your hopes on intelligent creationist well i respect that but where are they now?as i earlier said they simply still exist because of the things they have done and the fact that millions of people keep them in mind,but even their deeds themselves and the people who beleive in them are all going to die someday,vanitous life indeed,,Scientist themselves have predicted that the world will soon have an end in some billion years to come when the sun will die out,,,wats the point of toiling,prooving and giving  yourself a useless meaning to a useless life which is still bound to end in vanity.

Edited January 25, 2014 by yvano

[cablaz 32]

Touchy subject this is...

[SonofDeath 512]

 

-Well that's an interesting statement. 

-So, they have a mind of their own to adapt, now?

-So how long now? How long to see a small yet significant difference in the human face? Because there has not been a change to humans in the last 1k years.

 

 

- Yes, all animals have survival instincts, and part of survival is evolution  

- 1k years in nothing the grand scheme of things, wait a couple million years

[flae88 948]

Touchy subject this is...

Ikr, they're all going nuts

[Fen-Harel 1,176]

if people create their own purpose of living out of their experiences then life would be a chaos,let me give you a good example,in the past during the holy wars,when people did not  want to abide to the muslim religion,the fought holy wars and killed them and in their logic they thought it was the right thing to do because they were assured a place in heaven and thats wat gave a meaning to their living!imagine urself getting killed because u dont want to abide to a particular way of thinking.in the late 90s in america there lived a very renowned assassin called Two Gun Crowley,when he was finally arrested after a fierce battle between him and law enforcement agents imagine wat he said when he was about to be executed on the electric chair in singsing: This is my punishment for havin wanted to defend myself!Al Capone once said  :Ive passed the best moments of my life giving pleasure and amusement tothe society and wat has been my reward?insults and a life of a bandit in pursuit,U see he did not consider himself a bandit whilst he was instead he thought of himself as a benefactor(someone who killed for mere pleasure),imagine the chaos,u see not everyone has good intentions and u agree with me that the world will be a better place if everyone had the same way of living.u put your hopes on intelligent creationist well i respect that but where are they now?as i earlier said they simply still exist because of the things they have done and the fact that millions of people keep them in mind,but even their deeds themselves and the people who beleive in them are all going to die someday,vanitous life indeed,,Scientist themselves have predicted that the world will soon have an end in some billion years to come when the sun will die out,,,wats the point of toiling,prooving and giving  yourself a useless meaning to a useless life which is still bound to end in vanity.

Look, you are born, you live your life, and you die. That's how it goes. However dark or saddening it may be it's what's happens. Just because you die it doesn't mean your life is worthless, realize that. You can help people, be a good individual or be a bad one (which society deals with accordingly). Even if it'll end I wouldn't kill people just because of it, I doubt anyone here would and it's harmful to the society. What's your point with all of this though? People have been giving themselves purpose all the time, with good and bad results alike.

[Reeco9 1,567]

Look, you are born, you live your life, and you die. That's how it goes. However dark or saddening it may be it's what's happens. Just because you die it doesn't mean your life is worthless, realize that. You can help people, be a good individual or be a bad one (which society deals with accordingly). Even if it'll end I wouldn't kill people just because of it, I doubt anyone here would and it's harmful to the society. What's your point with all of this though? People have been giving themselves purpose all the time, with good and bad results alike.

I agree. Some people just can't handle the fact that one day, they'll die, and that's it.

[yvano 35]

Look, you are born, you live your life, and you die. That's how it goes. However dark or saddening it may be it's what's happens. Just because you die it doesn't mean your life is worthless, realize that. You can help people, be a good individual or be a bad one (which society deals with accordingly). Even if it'll end I wouldn't kill people just because of it, I doubt anyone here would and it's harmful to the society. What's your point with all of this though? People have been giving themselves purpose all the time, with good and bad results alike.

thats the reason i perfectly hope theres a supernatural being behind all creation,if u fail to understand this then ur life is really worthless no matter any meaning u give to it whether good or bad.Personally ive already accepted the fact that im gonna die someday and i dont even fear it anymore my real purpose now is to know if im doing the right thing before dieing.

Edited January 25, 2014 by yvano

[Fen-Harel 1,176]

thats the reason i perfectly hope theres a supernatural being behind all creation,if u fail to understand this then ur life is really worthless no matter any meaning u give to it whether good or bad.

That is not a rational decision, that is a decision based on what you like not what is true. A belief based on fear and despair.

[GoldRock2 290]

Well then please prove me wrong. Because to me it seems like Evolutionists (or distracted Evolutionists) favorite and most despicable argument to get away from a subject. Back to topic please, because I need to know if this is the only argument you guys have. Thank-you, Jonathan

Ask a question about evolution. I will link you to the post with an answer which will invariably be in the last 24 pages.

 

I've stopped posting here because I feel that this has all been covered already.

Edited January 25, 2014 by GoldRock2

[yvano 35]

That is not a rational decision, that is a decision based on what you like not what is true. A belief based on fear and despair.

not everything in this world is rational if u donnot know,people who are born in occidental or american continent donnot know this,ive onced been in africa the past 2 years and ive seen supernaturality in action,sorry for going this far but it is true,ive heard rumours of it and people have died of it,because certain humans grow up with a mysterious force which permits them to harm others,can u explain this?secret societies(illuminati) are ruling the world without us knowing where do they get that that power from? things will not always be 1+1=2 dear.If u love logic then go on,uve got a short lifespan to study ur logic.