Do you believe in evolution?

[cooper2 1]

evidence of evolution is quite apparent everywhere.from how quickly dog breeds have been created and varied, to the size of the average american,natural selection guides the process (except for the dog example). I think the concept of most religions teach good decent values, but if you believe the bible (which was written by men,edited by men,parts deleted by men,parts added by men) is the word of god you must not have put a lot of thought into it.the science of our planets age is not open for debate....simple as that ! if you dont believe in evolution, I challenge you to look into the galapagos islands and try to explain what nature has provided to prove evolution.and how anyone can put faith in organized religion these days is beyond me.if you don't believe in evolution,you have simply failed to evolve mentally

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

There is no such thing as an upgrade in evolution, its actually the opposite, that's the whole problem of the people who don't believe in evolution because they don't know what evolution is.

 

Evolution is not caused by upgrades, its caused by the ones that didn't get a certain upgrading... dying. Look around you, someone has blue eyes, some have black. That's just a mutation, not evolution. If all of a sudden everyone without a certain eye colour got blind because of some kind of virus or whatever that only attacks a certain eye colour, that's when you could say evolution happened. Until then, we're all homo sapiens over here :D

Hi, I wouldn't bicker about the word upgrade unless you really get technical about the subject.

I think what is meant by "upgrades" broadly speaking, are beneficial mutations that gradually improve the population.

 

What you describe here is a species with a certain eye-colour, (let's say blue), failing to adapt to the virus.

Black-eye are fit or fittest so they survive. Blue eyes are unfit so they die. No argument there. That's natural selection.

But evolution can work the other way too.

Over the long term, some blue-eyed individuals might acquire a beneficial mutation,  that allows them to keep the colour and fight off the virus.

An example of that today might be that some people are not susceptible to HIV.

[flae88 948]

Ladies chill out .-."

[r_AdvocatusDiaboli0 861]

Over the long term, some blue-eyed individuals might acquire a beneficial mutation,  that allows them to keep the colour and fight off the virus.

An example of that today might be that some people are not susceptible to HIV.

So my point still stands, it isn't evolution unless the other species is unfit to survive. It's just a mutation unless it gives them the ability to surpass their fellow specimens. As for the HIV part, I'd need some solid sources to believe you on that.

[already.dead 360]

if you don't believe in evolution,you have simply failed to evolve mentally

ok, i'd rather be ''unevolved'' mentally than believe evolution

[Fen-Harel 1,176]

ok, i'd rather be ''unevolved'' mentally than believe evolution

Why would you want that? The better response would be to ask him questions about what you don't accept in evolution and see if he can clarify them.

[already.dead 360]

Why would you want that? The better response would be to ask him questions about what you don't accept in evolution and see if he can clarify them.

Cuz I'm a Christian, and Christianity and Evolution doesn't work together. k?

[Fen-Harel 1,176]

Cuz I'm a Christian, and Christianity and Evolution doesn't work together. k?

Is there a way to prove you wrong?

[already.dead 360]

I'd rather trust the Bible over scientist.

[ImBanned 18]

I'd rather trust the Bible over scientist.

 

No proof to prove what is written in the bible is true, yet you still believe in it? 

And the church is known to be wrong before (they said they we were at the center of the universe, and when galileo said differently, they tried to kill him) 

 

 

“Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.”

-Aldous  Huxley

[already.dead 360]

 

 

No proof to prove what is written in the bible is true, yet you still believe in it? 

And the church is known to be wrong before (they said they we were at the center of the universe, and when galileo said differently, they tried to kill him) 

 

 

“Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.”

-Aldous  Huxley

 

The ''church'' back then did alot of other things wrong also, but who says I agree to some of the things they did? it would be the same as saying evolution is stupid(or whatever) just because a leader/powerful person who believes in it does something wrong....

Also maybe for me to believe in evolution would be like the same for you to believe in the Bible...

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

So my point still stands, it isn't evolution unless the other species is unfit to survive. It's just a mutation unless it gives them the ability to surpass their fellow specimens. As for the HIV part, I'd need some solid sources to believe you on that.

Possibly on an individual level but mutations that benefit the population over time is the very definition of evolution as I understand it. Speciation is something else. Google Delta32 for the HIV sources - it's not a conspiracy.

[GoldRock2 290]

Cuz I'm a Christian, and Christianity and Evolution doesn't work together. k?

Is the Pope a Christian? Because he believes in some form of evolution.

[Fen-Harel 1,176]

Is the Pope a Christian? Because he believes in some form of evolution.

There's no point in talking with a person who will rather trust a book written thousands of years ago over science. If his belief is so strong that nothing will change it's completely close minded. At that point I just stop responding.

[already.dead 360]

Is the Pope a Christian? Because he believes in some form of evolution.

im not catholic :|

[ImBanned 18]

im not catholic :|

We need to deprogram him

[GoldRock2 290]

im not catholic :|

Catholics are still Christians.

 

What are you, then, so I can give a more relevant example?

[Meliora 1,652]

Is the Pope a Christian? Because he believes in some form of evolution.

Yes but that's micro-evolution...

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

The Pope's position and that of the Catholic church is one of belief in Darwinian Evolution and it has been for the last 60 years.

They believe in micro-evolution, evolution and macro-evolution.

What ever names you want to call it, they believe in it all with the exception of the origins of life which isn't evolution.

 

People who resist evolution today are identical to those centuries ago who resisted in believing the world wasn't round or the centre of the universe.

In time, everyone will accept evolution with the exception of some weird cult or other.

 

Now if the Catholic church can do it, why are some still stuck in the past?

Are you not allowed to challenge the beliefs you hold? Ask yourself why is that?

Are you scared about being wrong?

It follows that if you were wrong about that, what else are you wrong about?

It also follows that everyone else who taught you these things were also wrong.

 

In science, people don't mind being wrong about things because they would rather have the truth than peruse a falsehood.

[Fen-Harel 1,176]

Yes but that's micro-evolution...

There is no micro-evolution, that only exists with the creationists. But either way, macro/micro evolution is the same thing just different time span. Basically when you add up micro evolution you get macro. So if you believe in one happening, you believe in the other.

[r_OVER-M0 1]

yes but still the proof that evolution is real is right in your face! so please tell me why you believe other than religious resons

Proofs ? where is proofs ? no proofs.

[r_OVER-M0 1]

Even if there was an evolution it would have been established by someone who has no been created, who was alwayes there, otherwise God.Because nothing can be establish all alone.

For example, take pieces of watch, throw them in a box and mix it, it will never become a watch.

Have you understand because I does not explain very well, and if you disagree I can give you another examples.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

For example, take pieces of watch, throw them in a box and mix it, it will never become a watch.

Have you understand because I does not explain very well, and if you disagree I can give you another examples.

I hate to break this to you, watches are inanimate objects that cannot reproduce, nor do they have the chemical ingredients for self replication.

Watches are made by man and the complexity of man came about via Darwinian natural selection.

Now having read what I said, did it make a blind bit of notice to you?

I think not. You'll still be churning out the old, fallacious watchmaker argument the next time creation and intelligent design crops up.

What would it take for you to acknowledge the fact your analogy is bogus?

 

Richard Dawkins has replied to you already.

[Fen-Harel 1,176]

Proofs ? where is proofs ? no proofs.

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=184805&p=3269218

 

Gave a few examples there.

 

Even if there was an evolution it would have been established by someone who has no been created, who was alwayes there, otherwise God.Because nothing can be establish all alone.

For example, take pieces of watch, throw them in a box and mix it, it will never become a watch.

Have you understand because I does not explain very well, and if you disagree I can give you another examples.

False analogy, a watch cannot self replicate with variety since it's not a living organism.

[GoldRock2 290]

Yes but that's micro-evolution...

1. He accepts both micro and macro-evolution, in some form.

2. If someone believes in one and not the other, then that person hasn't really grasped the concepts behind evolution. They work under the same principles.

 

Others already answered for me here, so... ^_^