Let's Discuss XP, BP, and XP/BP Battles!

[Vivianne 442]

actually the reason is, that pure bp matches take way longer to fill up, so the players who create them leave again and never try this again. I never see bp players complain, that the enemy team has too many / too less xp's.

There is no "market" for bp only, as bp's are not afraid of xp's.

 

But xp's complain about bp's. The xp's seem to be afraid of bp.. but IMHO this is due to the history (wasp was more usefull before balance 2016) and because of skill (the more skilled players are, the more likely it is that they mastered bp too and changed to bp. bp was simply harder.. so in average (!!!!) it atracted more skilled players then XP did.

 

today, most of the time when an xp player is beaten by a bp player, is because the bp pilot is simply more skilled, tactically advanced (bp = drive without brakes = think ahead a lot) and overall better.

 

don't get me wrong - there are enough truely decent xp's around too.. but there are more decent bp pilots then decent xp pilots,

But in XP/BP battles, you see more BPs than XPs. So I'm not exactly sure if that's one of the reasons why only BP battles don't fill up.

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

You mean by percentage, right? Surely the overwhelming numerical advantage of the xp players indirectly buff up the amount/proportion of good xp pilots- and it is a Legendary combination, used more in duels and ESports.

I never thought of that.. but maybe you are right on the percentage argument.

 

XP is for sure legendary, but I guess this is due to three points:

- hornet was the only usefull most favored hull in M0 and M1 (until in M2 the Vikins started to catched up and dominated in M3, as they were finally fast enough). Then Hazel balanced the speeds of heavies and mediums better (and those of lights worse).

- Hornet was the earliest M3 that unlocked

- Hornet is/was very cheap

 

therefore so many players had it, and it grow to a legend.

 

 

But in XP/BP battles, you see more BPs than XPs. So I'm not exactly sure if that's one of the reasons why only BP battles don't fill up.

but if you end up with 4bps vs 4 bps none of them starts to complain that there is no hornet to overpower.

I also never heard bp players complain in the in-battle-chat towards their xp teammates about their equipment.

Most bp's simply know, that a bp has it's disadvantages (they die often enough because of them); and that their speed advantage is minor and that they can almost never outdodge an xp.

XPs don't know wasps downsides.. they just think of "they are soo fast" (whereby half of that is lag..) and they blame them for having superiour equipment, not seeing that most of the time they simply face a more skilled player.

 

Wasp was fun because of it's cornering abilities, not because it's great speed. If you race down a Hornet you are not much ahead.. so it won't make you survive. Especially not after the rail reload was shortened.

Edited January 18, 2017 by BlackWasp777

[Vivianne 442]

 

 

but if you end up with 4bps vs 4 bps none of them starts to complain that there is no hornet to overpower.

I also never heard bp players complain in the in-battle-chat towards their xp teammates about their equipment.

Most bp's simply know, that a bp has it's disadvantages (they die often enough because of them); and that their speed advantage is minor and that they can almost never outdodge an xp.

XPs don't know wasps downsides.. they just think of "they are soo fast" (whereby half of that is lag..) and they blame them for having superiour equipment, not seeing that most of the time they simply face a more skilled player.

 

Wasp was fun because of it's cornering abilities, not because it's great speed. If you race down a Hornet you are not much ahead.. so it won't make you survive. Especially not after the rail reload was shortened.

 

I understand what you're saying but to remind you, I don't remember me saying that BP is better. I just said that you more often see BPs in XP/BP battles than XPs. Because most XPs decide to play only XP battles, doesn't mean that hornet is any less good... it's just how I see XP players play... usually anyway. But again that doesn't mean all of XPs do that, the one I have seen, do.

[Vivianne 442]

From my experience, XP join XP/BP because they're too lazy to wait for a free slot in XP battles, because they don't understand that they're detrimental to their team or because they simply don't care to handicap it (XP players always leave my team after they made it lose 3 flags, invitating enemies to wreck the three of us). Anyway now I leave a battle when I see a hornet on my side ^_^

Indeed, usually it is the XP who runs out of the XP/BP battle.

[MrAssasin 587]

Well, I don't see much complaining in an actual games about BPs advantage. If you ask me XP and BP are pretty balanced, each has disadvantages and advantages. Even full XP team can rek BP team, it is not all about speed, horneds can survive 2 shots more often then BPs and it is easier to aim with XP, because it is more "stabilized" then BP, but anyway team with BP and XP is just perfect, especially if we are talking about the big maps, where BPs are nothing without XPs and XPs are nothing without BPs :P

Edited January 19, 2017 by MrAssasin

[Jwimmer 2,835]

From my experience, XP join XP/BP because they're too lazy to wait for a free slot in XP battles, because they don't understand that they're detrimental to their team or because they simply don't care to handicap it (XP players always leave my team after they made it lose 3 flags, invitating enemies to wreck the three of us). Anyway now I leave a battle when I see a hornet on my side ^_^

Thats not really very true. I am an XP player, due to the fact that I don't have Wasp M3, and routinely place well in XP/BP battles. Along with this, I have been part of many teams that were mostly XP that have won against teams that were mostly BP. Hornet isn't quite as fast, but still fast enough to cap flags. It has alot to do with personal feel for the game. I play well with hornet, and that skill means I can compete with BP.

Example:

My team: 2 wasps, 2 hornets.

Enemy team: 3 wasps, 1 hornet. They were getting flipped much more often than we were. That makes a big difference.

[Jwimmer 2,835]

My opinion is based on my own experience so it is really very true.

By definition, anyone's opinion isn't necessarily a fact.

[MrAssasin 587]

XP players who join my XP/BP battles:

- are often lame

- often camp

- often leave after we lost 2 flags in a row (because of them)

 

Fact based on my experience.

Try to find better maps with better players. With time you will know a lot of pro players that plays XP/BP battles everyday. Then all you have to do is just search for this players or maybe find RA, Barda, Bridges, Kungur and other SLTV maps. Pros are always joining there ;) Battles will be much more interesting believe me.

Edited January 20, 2017 by MrAssasin

[MentallyDeranged 740]

Try to find better maps with better players. With time you will know a lot of pro players that plays XP/BP battles everyday. Then all you have to do is just search for this players or maybe find RA, Barda, Bridges, Kungur and other SLTV maps. Pros are always joining there ;) Battles will be much more interesting believe me.

Noobs are noobs;everywhere.

 

Parma ,sandbox ,zone ,deck,bridges,

 

Everywhere you go there are noobs ,the only solution would be only playing with clan members (together vs enemies) and or choosing a partner and play with him(against enemies) (tandem),or go 1v1

[MentallyDeranged 740]

I agree it's funny to wreck stupid players who bring their fat hornet in XP/BP but it quickly becomes boring... I prefer to play against full wasps, more interesting and exciting :lol:

Old post but worth to note that :

 

sandbox: What about drift on corner upper ground of sandbox ? Imagine you are on a corner(upper ground ) and

Enemy leaned to the wall,with drift you will act like you will go down and shoot ,but in fact you trick handle enemy ,why he will miss shot ,

 

 

 

Ok enough.the fact is : it's important the way you play against Bp, I have beaten much Bps, I flipped them very easy like 123. :)

Edited January 20, 2017 by MentallyDeranged

[MrAssasin 587]

Noobs are noobs;everywhere.

 

Parma ,sandbox ,zone ,deck,bridges,

 

Everywhere you go there are noobs ,the only solution would be only playing with clan members (together vs enemies) and or choosing a partner and play with him(against enemies) (tandem),or go 1v1

I really must disagree with you then :P, you just haven't found the right battles.

[Vivianne 442]

, the difference is that you play with pros (join clan vs randoms battles), in real battles that aren't meant to be played like that... you find loads of noobs. Just remember how many people always runs from our 2v2s.

Edited January 21, 2017 by Vivianne

[AsimBaig 0]

Hello tankers,

I have m2 hornet and m2 railgun and i playt xp/bp format

And a hornet m2 takes 3 SHOTS TO DIE. And this is ridicoulous!!! Tanki made xp/Bp format a trash. 3 shots are Harder to take on a tank! I better ask tanki to make it like earlier to 2 shots or give back my crystals spent on railgun 

And on wiki they said that hornet m2 can have max of 24 protection and wasp m2 can have 10 protection

but i see 24 protection on hornet m2 and 12 protection on wasp m2

 Xp/Bp ruined by tanki...

Thanks

Edited February 10, 2017 by AsimBaig

[xX_I.Love.Her_Xx 2,650]

Actually I don't see a problem here, all you have to do is wait till Marshal or get a M3 kit. You too are 3 shots so it sounds fair to me :)

 

And I think this is more natural too, since we M3s didn't spend 200k for Railgun M3 just for the faster recharge, don't you think we should get a little advantage for spending 200k? (hence 2 shots = kill)

[AsimBaig 0]

Then make it 2 shots. For all modifications ...Tanki should make it back to 2 shots

 

Its really annoying and I want my crystals back

[falcosenna1 8,320]

I understand you ain't happy with this. I wouldn't if I were to be you. On the other hand, it's normal that m3 equipment has an advantage. 

[MentallyDeranged 740]

Yes ,xp bp ruined by Tanki,sometimes I it takes 3 shots to kill hornet ,xp bp meant to be actual brain using mode not something childish and accidental.

Further more lags and hacks are annoying,I shot enemies but they dont get the hit while I have stable internet with good ping ,after several updates I should say YES ,xp bp ruined totally,everybody who tells no problem or no thingy ,is a big list,just for those who call it fair : at first point which Tanki introduced rebalance,50% of times it was taking 3 m3 shots to kill a stock m2 hornet with no protection,after 1 day or 2 ,they xhaned stats to kill m2 with 2 shots..

 

So yes it's ruined .

 

That's why I left game,this is not interesting anymore.

 

RIP xp bp

Edited February 10, 2017 by MentallyDeranged

[Maf 32,300]

 

Topic merged

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

And I think this is more natural too, since we M3s didn't spend 200k for Railgun M3 just for the faster recharge, don't you think we should get a little advantage for spending 200k? (hence 2 shots = kill)

 

in XP/BP M3s don't have a little advantage, they simply and absolutely dominate.

[Angley 118]

Guys,

we should also have a battle type as in e-sports 

with these equipments only allowed

starting form m2 ofc

 

Smokey

railgun

hunter

hornet

wasp

 

Anyone else Like this?

[Maf 32,300]

Guys,

we should also have a battle type as in e-sports 

with these equipments only allowed

starting form m2 ofc

 

Smokey

railgun

hunter

hornet

wasp

 

Anyone else Like this?

Too complicated for a public game mode. It will be nearly impossible to have a bunch of random players come together and agree to use specific equipment. A much easier option is to have two teams agree to play this format and organise the match in a private battle.

[Xxemo_dinoxX 934]

Anyone else close to earning Railgun XT? Finally I can be one of the few XT combos in XP battles :D

Edited March 7, 2017 by Xxemo_dinoxX

[deathfromabove_tanki 92]

Is XP BP still relevant? Is it worth me getting railgun m2? (I already have hornet m2) it seems like I very rarely see very many XP BP options in my battle list (usually hang out on EN 3)

I was told that it is a good way to earn crystals, why is this so?

[Mario3108 462]

Is XP BP still relevant? Is it worth me getting railgun m2? (I already have hornet m2) it seems like I very rarely see very many XP BP options in my battle list (usually hang out on EN 3)

I was told that it is a good way to earn crystals, why is this so?

EN3 is still a newbie server with low ranks, and it's most likely you won't see any XP/BP battles.

Moreover, most of the XP/BP battles are created by players with the rank of Brigadier and above due to their skills.

You can maybe find out some XP/BP battles available at your rank in EN2.

 

The XP/BP battles are the ideal ones to shows your skills with the most popular in-game turret... the Railgun, and its garage description clearly says: a gun for "professionals"...

Summing it up, Railgun is not a gun easy to control. So, if you are good in it, you are really a professional player.

Edited March 28, 2017 by Mario3108

[troller11211 0]

So if anyone is reading this,any mods or developers preferably, around mid October 2016 there was a change where railgun would deal less damage but relaod faster. i think that this change is good but there is one problem. XP BP with m2 and m3. so for an m2 railgun, you need to shoot an m3 hornet 3 times ( sometimes 2 if lucky enough).

But for a M3 railgun, its 2 shots for everything. also the big reload diffrence, not only does m3 2 shot everything it also has a faster reload time, meaning that players can use that as an advantage. Please can you make a change because i can rarely beat m3s now. And yes i am a m2 railgunner :P but i think that 99% of the m2 railgun xp bp players will say the exact same...