Balancing of turrets and hulls

[Phoenix-Warbird 1,329]

come on guys... you people have some good points, but this isn't really the place to argue, if that's what it is...

there have been some incidents in other harmless topics. let us avoid one here.

[magnaboy2 656]

everyone,dont jump on golds with viking,you're not going to get one anyways,i just lost one because by being light the tank wouldnt land fast ._.

shame on u viking <.<

I stole a gold from a viking with my hornet by just standing next to it bcuz viking is the lowest tank and hornet is a bit higher hornet will always get it,anytank is higher then viking so yea,SHAME ON VIKING 4EVER :D

[MrTactics 219]

First off, I have no affiliation with the developers I just find it painfull to see them slated every time when some individuals fail to realise the implications and effects that happen in tanki changes , but are instead willing to attack the people that try to make the game in the best interest of Tanki and the Players simultaneously.

 

I respect and appreciate your opinions and have nothing to contradict that. However moving to your comment on me criticising everyone opposing, I wish to re-explain my reasoning behind responding to some individuals.

 

I would like you to note I have never opposed an opinion, but rather the statements or impressions a person has used in order to bring there opinion across. These include the speaker bringing the impression that the whole community are supporting his opinions and no one is against him. The speaker making big accusations towards the developers that have not been well thought out and have no show of two sidedness (brought across as if it a stone wall fact). And finally those who blurt out wild figures or "motives" that have no real evidence to back it up, so merely made up numbers or conversations.

 

I stress the fact I do not oppose anyone having an opinion contrary to the devs decision. But instead the way they use strong accusatoons, wild facts, or simply made up conversations in order to sway a neutral persons perspective towards there own or stir up rumours against the company.

 

I admire the way you brought your opinions across and it would be silly for me to react to what you said for whatever reason, it was clear, not exaggerated, rational and honest. If people shared there opinions in ways similar to yours there would be a much higher chance for tanki to bear these new opinions in mind for later changes.

Edited April 26, 2014 by MrTactics

[DeoxyriboNudeicAcicl 97]

Guys, just stop complaining, JUST GET MORE SKILL.

[r_DidYouKnowThat0 1,662]

Thunder ain't OP, get a paint, yeah? Before, Thunder at a far away range was so funny. I mean, the damage was so small I didn't care. However, now it's something to be noticed. :o

Especially when it drugs. . . .and since the range for Thunder is so awesome, it's good that the damage was nerfed a bit. Imagine pre-rebalance Thunder, with this kind of range. . . I mean, that's like 50-60 (I think the max damage was what, 81. . . or more? ) damage per shot at that range. . . . O_O

All you'll need is a paint like Cedar or something .. . though in my opinion, get Rustle or Emerald, it's much better and it will last you longer. Especially with Emerald's awesome 10% Rail protection. ^_^

 

Hornet? Not underpowered, just get used to a light hull. xD

Edited April 26, 2014 by r_DidYouKnowThat0

[deadmanrising 715]

For the sake of Tanki Please hold a series of polls to get more accurate results BEFORE you make any more changes.

One other thing to consider is that for high rank players with M3's the impact of the swapping of hull perimeters is very costly. M3's are not cheap. If you look at the ranks as well as the complaints you start to see a pattern. A lot of M3 level ranked players built their garage around hornet and viking. From their point of view it is unfair to have someone take away the only m3 stuff they had.  Viking and Dictator basically switched places. I know several players with M3 viking and only M1 dictator Do you see why they are so upset? Especially after the 50% off Viking sale. No matter what you say many people feel you pulled a classic bate and switch scam. You offer everyone Viking but turn around and give them Dictator with the Viking name. I'm not accusing you anymore. You may not have even thought about this from that point of view. This is not whining and complaining, these are just facts. PLEASE don't make the same mistakes again. Ask the people what they want before you make the change, not after.

Ah, they only needed to change freeze, fire those turrets.

[r_DidYouKnowThat0 1,662]

I haven't used the new Freeze yet, but I have seen enough of them in battle I think .. .

For Freeze, in my opinion, most of the people I've seen like the new changes to it. . . .I mean, you've got to realize, nobody liked getting Frozen . ..  .It was like the freaking Ice Age, took a whole lot of time to unfreeze.

Besides, I've got a question ya'll. Did Freeze gain/lose any ammo? Because if I remember correctly, it had quite a lot of ammunition .. . So with the higher DPS, and the same freezing POWER, the enemy still shouldn't be able to get to you, and the enemy you froze should stay frozen as long as your alive. . . . . It can still stop flag-takers easily, and the lesser freeze duration helps the game stay dynamic.

Edited April 26, 2014 by r_DidYouKnowThat0

[Remaine 4,687]

Freeze is still king for me. The enemies get frozen quicker than before. The lower range can be worked with and the increase in power makes it easier to make kills. 

[r_DidYouKnowThat0 1,662]

Frozen quicker than before? Excellent! It'll make an almost perfect trapper. You know, stay near your flag behind a building and wait for a big group of enemies to get near. When they past you, quickly come out and catch them all in a blizzard of fury from behind! :lol: And kill'em all . . unless they have a drugging Inferno of course. :rolleyes:

Edited April 26, 2014 by r_DidYouKnowThat0

[xrpmx13th 1]

we spent our money and Crystals to Micro upgrade the halls and you take it away doing this re-balance. I think you owe us some crystals back myself. the protection on the hornet has been cut back and as far as I can tell the damage on thunder has decreased. What good is the micro upgrades.

omg you are right i buyed 59000 cry just to micro uprade things they owe us cry

[Remaine 4,687]

Frozen quicker than before? Excellent! It'll make an almost perfect trapper. You know, stay near your flag behind a building and wait for a big group of enemies to get near. When they past you, quickly come out and catch them all in a blizzard of fury from behind! :lol: And kill'em all . . unless they have a drugging Inferno of course. :rolleyes:

 Mh-mm.

[r_DidYouKnowThat0 1,662]

Oh and while I was playing, I also realized something else that's awesome, Isida's nerf.

So while I was in a drug war, I realized that before, enemy drugging Isidas were undoubtly Overpowered. They'd never die and steal flags so easily, especially Isida/Hornets that ran off so fast and survived so many hits. -_- Freeze sometimes didn't work either, because they self-healed and damaged SO much. -.-

Now it's not much of a problem, Isida users have to heal now. :P And can't go on the offensive as much as before, which is good.

[UAV1997 48]

Oh and while I was playing, I also realized something else that's awesome, Isida's nerf.

So while I was in a drug war, I realized that before, enemy drugging Isidas were undoubtly Overpowered. They'd never die and steal flags so easily, especially Isida/Hornets that ran off so fast and survived so many hits. -_- Freeze sometimes didn't work either, because they self-healed and damaged SO much. -.-

Now it's not much of a problem, Isida users have to heal now. :P And can't go on the offensive as much as before, which is good.

they could've just removed the double drain % on double power instead of lowering it by so much...

[geezer62 41]

Try not to be condescending with words like "conspiracy" and "little speech", it's most unhelpful.  Please keep this topic polite.

 

It is true that many do not like the changes. I for one believe that tanki have behaved unethically. I have spent the better part of a year and a neat chunk of my disposable income on this game, improving my garage focusing on micro upgraded m3's - hornet, viking and isida. I don't attend the forum as often as I should so forgive me if I missed the posts or polls where they gave us all notice of these changes. As you said in your reply to me, we were all given notice. Please tell me where and when this was because I didn't get the email or notification or pm for the invite to test them out. The first I learned of these changes was in a video on facebook a few days before the update. So it should come as no surprise to you or the developers that many are upset and angry and that they feel conned or even duped. If you can't understand this then you're hardly being impartial and true to yourself.

 

I think Canadian got it spot on with his observations. The popular hulls and turrets have been weakened and the unpopular ones, you know, the ones we don't normally see with any great frequency in battle, have been made more powerful. This means that one now has to, "adapt" as some advocates of this change have been saying. I can either start trying to buy new equipment in order to gain a competitive advantage or I can learn to be more defensive, trying to stay alive long enough to inflict a modicum amount of damage to an enemy. 

 

So am I just expected to say, "oh well", or do you think I have a right to feel upset? Don't start quoting the EULA at me because that won't wash. Sure they can do what they want but I'm also just as sure that they prefer to the ethical and fair thing here, especially when it comes to paying customers.

 

My hornet has certainly been made weaker and I now can't compete using it against a myriad of mammoth twins & ricos. Tanki could have worked out this percentage of loss and then compensated me accordingly. eg, 20% weaker, therefore I get 20% of my crystals back and even then it wouldn't be fair but at least I could see that they are meeting me half way.

 

And lastly, what affiliation do you have with the developers. Are you staff or something because I don't understand your willingness to spend every hour attacking any complaint or criticisms people are voicing.

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uozj1Vr4u1o

Very eloquently spoken, and without bagging other peoples opinions; totally agree!  Many ranks ago i made the choice of taking the Viking option over Dictator, to have them now switch there characteristics around is a kick in the teeth. The fact that they, TANKI have not made any statement despite the mostly negative comments just reinforces the fact that they know they stuffed up. 

[canadarules 1,938]

good update. guys just get use to it

[MrTactics 219]

First off, I have no affiliation with the developers I just find it painfull to see them slated every time when some individuals fail to realise the implications and effects that happen in tanki changes , but are instead willing to attack the people that try to make the game in the best interest of Tanki and the Players simultaneously.

 

I respect and appreciate your opinions and have nothing to contradict that. However moving to your comment on me criticising everyone opposing, I wish to re-explain my reasoning behind responding to some individuals.

 

I would like you to note I have never opposed an opinion, but rather the statements or impressions a person has used in order to bring there opinion across. These include the speaker bringing the impression that the whole community are supporting his opinions and no one is against him. The speaker making big accusations towards the developers that have not been well thought out and have no show of two sidedness (brought across as if it a stone wall fact). And finally those who blurt out wild figures or "motives" that have no real evidence to back it up, so merely made up numbers or conversations.

 

I stress the fact I do not oppose anyone having an opinion contrary to the devs decision. But instead the way they use strong accusatoons, wild facts, or simply made up conversations in order to sway a neutral persons perspective towards there own or stir up rumours against the company.

 

I admire the way you brought your opinions across and it would be silly for me to react to what you said for whatever reason, it was clear, not exaggerated, rational and honest. If people shared there opinions in ways similar to yours there would be a much higher chance for tanki to bear these new opinions in mind for later changes.

That was for AscendingZero

Edited April 27, 2014 by MrTactics

[r_DidYouKnowThat0 1,662]

Well to all who are disheartened by the new update: Like Hazel-Rah said, the game will be changing non-stop, and I think that not only helps the Devs keep up financial-wise, but also it keeps the game exciting. I mean, when they change the weapons, you get a new gameplay experience. Of course you'll have to adapt, but the game will always feature something different and/or new.

 

Ok so I hear that Viking basically turned into Dictator. . . .And vice versa. Well think of it this way, in a few/several months, there will probably be another change or so. Maybe a year, but you get the point. Again, the Devs will hear your opinions, and change things again. Seriously, I think Tanki Online is one of the best games when it comes to Developer and Community communication. Out of all the games I play, Tanki Online is pretty much the only one who keeps in touch with the community this much. Although ya'll think they don't listen to you, they do. They check the Ideas and Suggestions thread, and review all of your feedback in these threads.

 

The thing is, they can't just change a hull/turret's stats in a split-second. They probably have to execute a ton of calculations and complex formulas, which takes time of course. That's why Tanki Online's such a great game if you think about it, because of all the work that goes into it. :P

 

Though I do get the point ya'll trying to make, how you bought Viking for it's hp and not speed. Lol.

However, again, Tanki Online's an always changing game, so sooner than you think, Viking will probably get some changes again, more in the community's favor.

 

Besides, aren't we supposed to be getting new Hulls and Turrets? Maybe once those are implemented, then Viking could gain some more weight, and armor.

Why? Well the Dev's purpose of switching up Viking/Dictator was simply because of how they were aware of Dictator's incredible volume. It had occupied too much space for such a fast/light hull, which ultimately made it very awkward, hence the reason why you don't see it much in battle. So, they made it heavier, and more stable, so that it would better suit the size of the tank.

 

Now, if Dictator was the medium hull that covered health and weight, which hull would occupy speed and acceleration? Not Hunter, because that medium hull is supposed to be a balanced all-rounder. So it had to be Viking. Now, you're probably wondering what this has to do with new hulls. Well, if new hulls are added, then there would be more items to cover the specific stats, thus meaning in the future, something else can occupy speed/acceleration, not Viking, thus, Viking could be changed again, this time, in favor of the community, what they like to use. Get it? :P

 

So remember, Tanki Online's a forever changing game, so what you have currently wont be like that forever. However, know that Devs are trying their best to fulfill both the community's (You) and the company's needs.

Edited April 27, 2014 by r_DidYouKnowThat0

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

So remember, Tanki Online's a forever changing game, so what you have currently wont be like that forever. However, know that Devs are trying their best to fulfill both the community's (You) and the company's needs.

It goes without saying that this is a great game or else we wouldn't be here. The developers do a great job and they deserve every success but I'm not the community, I'm an individual and I feel somewhat let down. I guess most of us understand the devs are trying to do what's best globally but, for me anyway, they failed on the personal level with this update.

 

I'm sure tanki keep a backup of everyone's garage before applying updates. It would go a very long way for them to work out the percentage loss players have suffered when their hulls, turrets and micro-upgrades have been weakened, then apply that percentage to the cost price of those items to deliver compensation.

 

So this is a call for a response from the developers. Is that possible? Is there anything you can do or say that will lessen the blow many of us have suffered?

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

That was for AscendingZero

That would make a good alt!

 

I know what you're saying. Sweeping statements presented as fact without any evidence can be annoying but players are just venting when they say something like, "80% of us...", etc,  it's no doubt a made-up figure but to them it's likely to be a realistic estimate. You like me try to me thoughtful when composing posts and you're obviously passionate about the game, as is anyone who took the time to post about this update but this update has obviously left many players feeling hurt. Thye're only looking for some recourse and I guess they don't need salt rubbed into their wounds for generalising.  I hope tanki listens to them and does something to ease what they believe to be a disservice because this update and the way it was implemented has left a sour taste in a lot of people's mouths for sure.

[gcode 16]

good update. guys just get use to it

 

 

thats bull cause the strongest tank on here is nothing, no power ,cant speed up and its slow loading even though they said 8 seconds whne you buy upgrade for shaft its 8.27 seconds..plus they made full power shots weaker so you tell me how shaft is a sniper gun with no power no matter how long you hold the fire button  come on guys i know you try to please every one but some times if it,s not broken before the changes dont mess with it everyone loved the way before the first balance that tanki played but now it  like  only thunder and railgun got more power and shaft weaker why is that you cant snipe or shoot single shot with no power  if so your just dead..

[gcode 16]

rico is highly overpowered

thunder is highly underpowered

isidas dont reload fast so they dont heal others

freeze is ok

rail is highly overpowered

twins are very annoying (impact force was always the problem and you made it higher)

smoki is finaly not overpowered

shaft is just sitting on the shelf

[charlesas 5]

this update sucks, rico is dominate, I spent a couple of hundred upgrading my hornet and isida for nothing would not have spent

my money if I knew that they was going to make my set up worthless on the battlefield I had 25/25 micros on self healing to have

it knocked down by 20 points, even if I am attacking a rico they kill me in 4 shots or less cant keep alive, I think for many you may

have ruined this game and I will wait a little and see if you fix it if not you can expect no more money from me,

 

Thank you

[gcode 16]

No they don't. You did not spell hulls right, as well as many other things. So of course not.

yeah they did why is a wasp rail gun killing my m1 shaft with m1 protection on one hit that wasnt even fullpower

[gcode 16]

You know what? I'm 100% agree with you, titan getting the big king is not good for mammoth players and i love my mammoth i do love titan to BUT i hate the fact that titan is better than it, and mammoth is for the last rank in the game now.

as a shaft pro i agree with you 100% too and how can you have a sniper tank with no power to kill anyone ..i love they way shaft correction i loved the way tanki was before all the rebalance and upgrades now some wepons have to much power why other have to run and hide cause they take to long to load and the real bad part is who want to spend real money on somthing you cant use or you have to keep buying crystals to make it stronger  not i money to hard to come by these days

[Amagi 1,728]

omg you are right i buyed 59000 cry just to micro uprade things they owe us cry

You bought 59k crystals just to micro-upgrade?

 

You must be insane.