Balancing of turrets and hulls

[MrTactics 219]

quote "You've just acknowledged tanki must make money" I have given you the perfect strawman didn 't I.

 

That 's what you do in this topic. Pick one quote and proof your "right" on that point.

And very conveniently you simply ignore the subjects you don 't have a direct answer to.

It 's said to you before and you just keep doing it. Don 't expect it to change either. Have it your way.

 

Yes, Tanki is set up as a free game, and what I read it was a lot easier to get high-ranked in the past.

 

Well, you have to be very good in the present Tanki to make enough crystals to get whatever you want (need).

I would like to have Dragon paint now (micro upgraded as well to be effective).

 

Don 't have the crystals I need, so next option could be buying?

I suppose there are more players like me who doubt about buying or not buying at some point.

I don 't see that as a defeat or bad. No, it 's allright in my own case if it stays in hand. And it would be good for the game I love.

 

If I read about Tankers who invest huge amounts of real money to micro upgrade their garage I do wonder myself,

at this stage at least: why would you do that?

On the other hand it is their choice and as a customer you should also expect some result from such an expensive investment.

 

If soon after your weapon of choice gets nerfed badly after an unexpected Rebalance, they you have the full right to be angry.

Even Tanki knows that, that 's why this topic is here.

Such a nerf might even be the reason for some to leave the game. That 's not good. Tanki will surely not be happy with that.

 

They are customers! Even you have to acknowledge that, because you are constantly hammering on the fact that

Tanki is a business.

Do you even realize that in a business the customers are King? Otherwise you soon don 't have a business anymore.

Basic rule of Economics.

 

Customers don 't moan! You can make a fool of customers behind closed doors, but a wise company will never

say something like that in public!

 

And Tanki never did or will as far as I know, and I don 't even think that they call us "moaners" behind those closed doors!

They have a different view on the matter because of their position in it, but I sure they understand the complaints.

I also understand the difficulty of this subject for them, there is no easy solution.

But being silent will certainy not help!

If you want to make people really angry they should have reacted like I read in this topic: just be quiet and play!

Tanki doesn 't do that all and that is a wise decision!

 

Customers complain and if you want to alienate your customers you certainly must start with calling them "moaners".

Another fine example in which I wonder if Tanki is so happy with your involvement in this matter?

You might consider choosing different words than "moaners" in your next reply.

 

Maybe they are searching for an answer, I wouldn 't know.

They don 't need advice from us, like we are that smart and can give that: ideas and suggestions are what they need.

In the end they have to come up with the solution, not us Tankers.

And certainly they need complaints to make them aware of the things their customers are unhappy about!

 

In my point of view it doesn 't matter if you are a buyer or a non-buyer. It is a free game so we start of with the same

rights after all.

And every Tanker is potentionally a buyer so a smart company like Tanki tries to make everyone always as happy as possible.

That is also their intention, I have no doubt about that.

 

Again an abundance of strawmen in this one. Make your choice.

I find it hypocritical that you see me as a "strawman" yet spend idk how much of your time on one point I make. I was going to show you other things I said, but I doubt you'll even look this far into what I've written.

[MrTactics 219]

I also don't know why you've directed that at me, I'm not the company so you can hardly accuse me of alienating customers I don't have. If you would've bothered to read it properly you would have seen I don't actually have an issue with people that are rational with what they say.Reading through all of what you've said I honestly don't know what your point is.

Edited May 18, 2014 by MrTactics

[HydroBolt 15]

Guys stop arguing/whatever you lot are doing!

[Miley.Cyrus 4]

^ I do get it. The next weapon to be nerfed is the Ricochet for sure and perhaps a weapon like Smoky will

get a buff.

 

Future quote: "we saw in the gaming results that the Ricochet is slighty too powerfull now, that 's why we decided to

reduce the damage"

+9999

[ATTANKER 35]

personally i post to give an opinion or feedback, or a counter arguement to a claim made by another post especially if its misleading, or a response to changes within the game or new ideas i think could be considered but appreciate what everyone thinks so long as its within reason, i dont think anyone should expect devs to really pay attention or take advise from us ^ ^ as they seem to have their own plans and agenda, so advise would be fruitless anyway, but im glad that alot of posters here seem to agree that the rebalance wasnt an even rebalance, even though i agree to a small extent as to the need for the rebalance made by those who are content with the results and outcome of the latest rebalance....but anyone who can witness ricochet in action, and many have mentioned it arbitarily, know that this rebalance wasnt kind of driven by a need for rebalancing of weapons in the battlefield, but one in the garage LOL....actually non paying users might benefit as tanki might want the payers to pull their wallets out after being nerfed, so the least used and upgraded weapons get the buffer...JMO

 

someone before mentioned that they thought the rebalance before the latest one (2 pages ago or so) was perfect and i totally agreee, even though my weapon of choice was nerfed by it (shaft, arcade mode reduced and having to wait until ammunition was fully maxed before using snipe), but it was probably a fair rebalance and i just changed weapons

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

I stick to my belief  that the re-balance was about getting people to spend crystals. Plain and simple. I would not be surprised if after the latest poll and sale another re-balance is not far off. This time nerfing rico back to where it was, and putting thunder and smokey back where they belong. They already knew would the results where going to be.

I also said , repeatedly they need to stop re-balancing existing equipment and offer alternative and new equipment. 

 

I think the game is made free, as a form of free advertising. The goal is to get as many people playing and talking about it as possible. This is just smart business. 

 

I also think we need to consider the fact that Russians are not accustomed to a democratic way of doing things. Those that live in a democratic society are used to having a voice. This may explain the lack of response from the Tanki Staff. They may feel that "This is the way it is going to be and that is final." and do not have to respond. This is hard for someone like me to accept.

 

I hate being forced to spend money to play. It is much better if you get people to spend because they want to. Sure I don't have to buy, but to stay competitive you do and that I did because I wanted to. Since the re-balance all my money has to go towards supplies, just to stay alive long enough to have fun. That is being forced upon me, if I want to play. Someones skill and abilities is less important now. With every battle being a drug battle, even people with little skill can do about the same as those with lots of skill. This is not true if you play PRO battles. Skill matters. But wait you have to pay for those.

Edited May 18, 2014 by Canadian_Eh

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

I hate being forced to spend money to play. It is much better if you get people to spend because they want to. Sure I don't have to buy, but to stay competitive you do and that I did because I wanted to. Since the re-balance all my money has to go towards supplies, just to stay alive long enough to have fun. That is being forced upon me, if I want to play. Someones skill and abilities is less important now. With every battle being a drug battle, even people with little skill can do about the same as those with lots of skill. This is not true if you play PRO battles. Skill matters. But wait you have to pay for those.

This afternoon I went on a crazy drugging spree, viking/taiga/twins. There was no mercy from me against my opponents and no let up either. The moment I was destroyed it was 1,2,3 attack again and again and again. It was no fun at all. I'm sure I annoyed them.

 

I've found myself on the receiving end of such attacks far too often of late and I fear that this is the way the game is going now. It's all about who has the most supplies and when you are facing a barrage of druggers, wave after wave after wave of drugged-up, OP, firebirds, twins and rico's, you tend to ask yourself what is the point. The skill element is virtually all but gone, even in PRO battles. 

 

This "re-balance", imo, was a total failure from it's conception right through to its implementation.  It was a step forward for profits, probably, but a step backwards, most certainly, for the game.

 

What is needed is the opposite - ie, a step backwards for the bottom-line and a step forwards for the game. Suggestions like, new versions of existing turrets should be listened to. Limiting the amount of drugs that can be spent in a set period of time etc would make the game more about skill and strategy than the mindless drug-fests that we're currently subjected to. Imagination is needed to breathe some life back into this game.  I fear Tanki are running out of ideas to keep this game fresh, fun and exciting.

 

That is all.

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

Ok MrTactics your turn to tell us how stupid and childish we are, for voicing our opinions of the current version of Tanki. LOL

[Real_Uchiha_Sasuke 189]

Conclusion

Well, in my opinion too they are earning in a real smart way , some of us can't even think about it.

Making the weakest gun the strongest. Making thunder , smoky weakest. Rail is still same so that people think rebalance was right. Freeze,Firebird weak. Isida is not an isida now. It recovers it health like  :D - my opponent sees it like that. Twins now rocks. 

Rico getting the strongest , taking away the beauty of short range weapons. With druggers everywhere this game SUCKS till now.

[MrTactics 219]

Ok MrTactics your turn to tell us how stupid and childish we are, for voicing our opinions of the current version of Tanki. LOL

... Some of the things you said "especially the Russians and democracy" is borderline to something I choose not to delve into. I hope you don't continue to do the same. I also find this piece of sarcasm amusing as the ignorance to what I have said blazes through strongly. That is all.

Edited May 19, 2014 by MrTactics

[Manly_man 86]

critical hit was the niche of smoky....it made it exciting to use and effective....but now its worthless....its just there now for the spectacle not for anything else.......

 

1. freeze can ice multiple opponents to a standstill (not just the hulls but the turrets too)

 

2. thunder can be used from afar and still hit opponenets by hitting the walls and layout nearby without making a direct hit, aswell as hitting multiple opponents (even if im hiding...hehehehe :ph34r:)

 

3. shaft has arcade mode aswell as the snipe mode which can destroy 2 or more opponents in one shot if they are one behind another in a straight line in trajectory to the sniper

 

4. railgun is just awesome (though i dont use it) and now with greater impact force and greater precision to the point that if railgun user was about to miss, user still gets given the benefit of the doubt and a hit is recorded, also the same as shaft in respect of one behind another hit; perhaps shot precison is based on from when the release of the shot at the target from the railgun user was taken, as opposed to where i am in relation to the line of fire at the point of impact

(I have been hit numerous times by railgun that missed me by a whisker from my point of view but the hit was still made...that wasnt the case before rebalance)

 

5. firebird can burn multiple opponents, aswell as keep them burning for long enough to get the kill/s gradually

 

6. isda makes easy kills in a face-off, HP is great at close range and heals team mates

 

7. ricochet is so (more like tooooo powerful) powerful (bounces up, down, left, right and easy targetting now from a gradient) i dont need to say anymore

 

8. twins isnt the most popular weapon (though its used alot now at silence and railgun less so) but is a double hitter in rapid succesion.........

 

9. then smoky? hmmmmm

Isida is the best! Go equip and beat the wrest! :fire_r: :fire_l:

[Manly_man 86]

^Don't you get it? Tanki is all about $$$.

The developers' perception of balance is not really a balance, it's more of a "Make certain guns/hulls underpowered and the others overpowered and give sale to the overpowered guns/hulls" type of balance. You know, to keep the money flowing.

 

TBH, If I had a million dollars, I would give it all to the devs and tell them to change Tanki back to the way it was 2 years ago.

 

Eventually they will change the parameters again and make Rico really underpowered in an effort to "balance" the game. -_-

 

STOP BEING IGNORANT PEOPLE!!!

Woah chill dude xD.

[swede1 1,726]

M3 Rail specs are too high and/or M3 hornet damage too low, either way, M3 hornet is now getting killed with one shot with no paint way too frequently, almost more than M3 smokies old critical hit. it is destroying the game of XP pro with no drops

Edited May 25, 2014 by swede1

[Real_Uchiha_Sasuke 189]

Isida is the best! Go equip and beat the wrest! :fire_r: :fire_l:

U ca=razy?

 

It is the least best gun in my opinion - shortest range -_-   --- low of of hp recover

EVERYTHING  will be good after the nxt rebalance

[T3-T3 93]

Railgun is best

[Hayagriva 107]

Why do you keep on defending Tanki no matter what? What is your purpose?

Or do you just like to be in heated discussions?

 

Simple. He is vorking in this, or he is connected.

 

[Hayagriva 107]

How dare you. Stop with the insults right now. I was not asking you anything.

 

Yes man - kip it cool - this is strategy.

 

Get your attention away from the main point.

Take it easy man, respekt for your data analyse.

Good work.

 

With a time, all will be nefrded :)

that's simple...

 

Edited May 26, 2014 by Hayagriva

[Hayagriva 107]

^Don't you get it? Tanki is all about $$$.

The developers' perception of balance is not really a balance, it's more of a "Make certain guns/hulls underpowered and the others overpowered and give sale to the overpowered guns/hulls" type of balance. You know, to keep the money flowing.

 

TBH, If I had a million dollars, I would give it all to the devs and tell them to change Tanki back to the way it was 2 years ago.

 

Eventually they will change the parameters again and make Rico really underpowered in an effort to "balance" the game. -_-

 

STOP BEING IGNORANT PEOPLE!!!

 

Smart one ninja.

Not all, but mostly man :)...

 

[xaris52 75]

Yes man - kip it cool - this is strategy.

 

Get your attention away from the main point.

Take it easy man, respekt for your data analyse.

Good work.

 

With a time, all will be nefrded :)

that's simple...

 

So simple...

[Hayagriva 107]

So simple...

yes man, and sad...

 

as i read this forum - all the time something work nice

rebalanced - and no fun...

 

nice paint - rebalanced - and :) no fun

 

now last re-balances, in weapon I use - it was not necessary I can say :)

and main conclusion after all

 

less you invest - less you lose :)

less you got - less will be nefred :)

[xaris52 75]

yes man, and sad...

 

as i read this forum - all the time something work nice

rebalanced - and no fun...

 

nice paint - rebalanced - and :) no fun

 

now last re-balances, in weapon I use - it was not necessary I can say :)

and main conclusion after all

 

less you invest - less you lose :)

less you got - less will be nefred :)

Maybe you are right or you are definetely right.

[ATTANKER 35]

Isida is the best! Go equip and beat the wrest! :fire_r: :fire_l:

as long as there are isda users on my team nearby at all times then im always happy and they give the team confidence.......and if you are the best at using isda then i agree, and long may it be the wbest em west....i mean best :P

[ATTANKER 35]

lol smokey is losing in the polls now....hehehe....time for a big boooooooooooosssstt

[Born.To.Light 74]

Nice ;)

[Real_Uchiha_Sasuke 189]

Smoky still rocks

People don't know how to use it