Update 254 — Balancing of Turrets and Hulls

[myfeetaretired 27]

Gotta say these are some of the most negative people I've ever seen... All these Hornet users complaining are making me laugh. For crying out loud, it's a light tank. It makes sense for it to get 1 KOed sometimes.  You don't ever hear Wasp users complaining about this. And really, the changes to Hornet are so incremental that it doesn't ruin your gameplay at all. It seems like you people are just upset that Wasps can actually compete now.

 

As for Viking, its stance is so low and wide that the reduction in weight does nothing to its stability.  The loss of armor shouldn't be ruining your gameplay at all, its just full of more action and excitement with the new speed. Honestly, if all you people stopped complaining and actually TRIED the game, you would enjoy it. 

 

All these people complaining about Thunder, I mean, come on. It can be used as a snipe now! So it got a minimal reduction in overall power, who cares? It's got a quicker reload doesn't it? If you people tried looking at the bright side of things instead of the one small, measly downside that hardly matters, this forum would be a happier place.

 

And now everyone is complaining about Twins being too OP. In all honesty, it takes about the same time to kill people as it did before. People are forgetting each indivual bullet is weaker and are just fed up with the faster shooting speed. Come on guys, think things through...

 

Now for all the things NO ONE is complaining about. Wasp, Ricochet, Smoky, Titan, Mammoth, Dictator, Firebird, Freeze, Isida, and Hunter. Now where is all the praise for these? I'll tell you : These people actually appreciate the great work the devs put into this game, and are playing Tanki right now instead of complaining. So this thread is really lacking over half of what the players' opinions really are. But no one gives a crud about this, they just keep complaining about the same thing over and over.

 

So the majority of people on this thread are complaining about mainly 4 things, compared to the TEN things that most of Tanki is enjoying right now. And even those 4 things really are fair.

 

Come on forum peeps, THINK POSITIVELY!

 

Another note about Twins. Before the update and even more now, so many people are complaining that it takes no skill, that it's a noob weapon. This is utterly false. Twins definitely does take skill. You gotta position yourself correctly to be able to kill without being killed yourself. You gotta know where to shoot; for example, an enemy is running sideways across your screen. If you aim straight at him and fire, like you would with Thunder, Smoky, or Rail, you'd miss. You have to account for the guy's speed to be able to hit him and be successful. You guys ever hear of Firebird, Freeze, and Isida? All three of those guns (and I use all of them, so I am not hating on them) require less skill than Twins. Firebird, you run up to an enemy and press spacebar. Even if the other dude kills you, you have a fair chance of killing him anyways. Isida, you just run up to enemies and quite literally suck the life out of 'em. Now freeze, most of all, requires the least skill in the game, yet no one EVER complains about this. All they need to do is get within range of enemies, and then the freeze has those people as kills. No skill required, just slow everyone down so you can kill them with no problem. So come on people of Tanki, use your brains!

First off, look at my rank. Now that you see I have WAY more experience than you, maybe you will see my opinion is more educated. First of all smoky. Smoky got nerved by this update, you said it was a good thing but now the critical is basically a double hit, and the range has been destroyed, it is useless at long range. Second of all twins. Twins was one of the best turrets before the original rebalance, and has been returned to its former glory. It actually does kill people faster now. I also want to point out that it is very much a noob weapon compared with freeze isida and firebird. All three of those guns take time to reload while twins will shoot on forever. If you have a tank big enough to survive one flu shot from any one of these weapons then twins will always win out. It is time for you to think things through. You expect no one to complain about changes that honestly have killed peoples playing styles. I personally worked very hard to save and buy smoky m3 because it was better than thunder m3 only to have this switched on me. At your rank it is easier to switch what weapon you use, But at higher ranks it cost 250k for a m3 we have every right to complain and you say we shouldn't when half your information isn't even correct. Come on man, use your head.

[r_DidYouKnowThat0 1,662]

So it's true, Twins is back! :D

It's been a while, and I must admit I miss the old times where we RUN from a drugger-twins. xD So fun actually, even if you are getting killed.

[darkswan 0]

lol editors and developers as* lickers!

if you like this  update so here is the deal

 

update lovers will use these settings but dont turn away from your words

update haters will use old settings

give us a chance to decide!

theres no big deal:  there would be slow dictators and fast dictators around, there would be light railguns and heavy railguns etc.

or make two main game systems: old and new we can continiue playing in different servers

there are lots of choices but they will not do it

because "balance" is money

[r_DidYouKnowThat0 1,662]

@darkswan:. . . . . do you even know what you're talking about? That would be like making a WHOLE other Tanki Online. Would never happen. LOL.

[epickiller546 241]

Twins is much better but the gun i really use thunder is now really bad :(

[ArieldeArgentina 35]

First off, look at my rank. Now that you see I have WAY more experience than you, maybe you will see my opinion is more educated. First of all smoky. Smoky got nerved by this update, you said it was a good thing but now the critical is basically a double hit, and the range has been destroyed, it is useless at long range. Second of all twins. Twins was one of the best turrets before the original rebalance, and has been returned to its former glory. It actually does kill people faster now. I also want to point out that it is very much a noob weapon compared with freeze isida and firebird. All three of those guns take time to reload while twins will shoot on forever. If you have a tank big enough to survive one flu shot from any one of these weapons then twins will always win out. It is time for you to think things through. You expect no one to complain about changes that honestly have killed peoples playing styles. I personally worked very hard to save and buy smoky m3 because it was better than thunder m3 only to have this switched on me. At your rank it is easier to switch what weapon you use, But at higher ranks it cost 250k for a m3 we have every right to complain and you say we shouldn't when half your information isn't even correct. Come on man, use your head.

Twins is stupid , I used it as a beginer Private , by that time I loved it ! , because it is easy to use and I did not need strategy or muchc skill , just to shoot continuosly like an ***** , I use it until I bought the Rico.

Rico is the hardest weapon to manage , you need skill anf clevernes , you need to understand the bouncing effect and develop a smart strategy to avoid big hull , I use it in a Hornet M1 and always get the first or second place in CTF games.

[DeoxyriboNudeicAcicl 97]

Smoky... I was saving up for m2 smoky.. now it is nerfed and it is has like the same bite power as a mosquito... It can't even be useful anymore, and isn't thunder supposed to be having less range than smoky? the huge amount of damage caused by thunder with its splash damage makes it extremely OP as with farther distance, you can snipe at larger angles.

[Vintaged 0]

I have injured by this update listen me please, now thunder is very bad against hulls with cedar, rustle or esmerald. The damge of thunder is very bad

In this game I only have 2 weapons m2 thunder and railgun as i said thunder is bad now and railgun doesnt have any significant improvement, the penetrecting power isn't a GREAT improvement so i have useless weapon bad for me cant play tanki with the happines that I ussually does with my thunder which was very very likely

I hope to search a solution for thunder or return the cristals of weapons to we can choice again our weapons .

:( they should not injured thunder one of the best weapons of the game.

[r_SpiderPig12 98]

Love this new update, especially because Hunter has been boosted and Thunder's range has gone up! I love sniping and now I can snipe with my favourite turret effectively! Thank you Devs!

Edited April 24, 2014 by r_SpiderPig12

[ArimaKishou 21]

well everything seems to be the same for me :l the only thing that i rlly notice was ricos power and vikings weak armor :C :3

[WookySpolf 63]

Obviously complaining isn't gonna do anything, but I'm just gonna leave Tanki until a better time comes and I can log on and get a nice little couple thousand crystals (if you don't play for 30 days you get a few drugs and 3x your DB of crystals).

[gun600 0]

Not being able to keep micro-upgrades was a problem. This is AWSOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[GreatestCommonGod 0]

Personally, as far as my opinion goes, I feel disappointed from the changes that were made. I feel the firebird deals to much of a "burn affect" on our health while it is one of the cheapest to purchase and to upgrade it to m1 is pretty cheap compared to the other turrets M1. I can understand some changes but aslo my favourite turret the Isida, I feel the most let down on. The health you receive from dealing damage on an enemy is far from what it was. The Isida, I feel isn't a weapon like the firebird or freeze, it contributes more and should be treated differently then what the developers intend it to be. Sometimes change onto a great game like this I think wern't needed, just some fix - ups here and there would've been all thats necessary. But I know this comment won't contribute any change so I guess it turns out to be "unnecessary bickering".

Edited April 24, 2014 by GreatestCommonGod

[RapterKiller105 2]

noooooo i feared this

[HaloScorpion 79]

Fire's burn time needs to be reduced, and twins' firing rate needs to be reduced. Other than that, it not a bad update... Annoying that some stuff now is garb, but ok overall

[animal-king 4]

You guys didn't notice yet? Look at m2 hornet and m2 wasp and compare all aspect.

Also isada is worse in all aspects (crept how fast it moves a rotation 360degrees. Which is tha same as the original so isada got way worse

And hornet

[animal-king 4]

You guys didn't notice yet? Look at m2 hornet and m2 wasp and compare all aspect.

Also isada is worse in all aspects (crept how fast it moves a rotation 360degrees. Which is tha same as the original so isada got way worse

And hornetNot good either

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

Now that my rant is over I will give my feed back.  To me it seems that all the turrets are to strong for the hulls. Everyone is dying every 5-10 secs.  This is not fun any more. it is much better if you can with stand several hits before you explode. This game used to be about strategy,skill and guns. Now it's about running around ,close quarter combat,instant kills and no skill.

The CTF games I played in today are useless now. They are more like TDM.  Half an hour went buy and only 1 flag , but every bodies kill counts where really high.

The only way to beat fire,freeze,or twins is from a distance but with all the range weapons weakened you still don't stand much chance. Unless you want to use "OP no skill turrets" it's drug or die, and that will get really expensive. With the old thunder you could still get away if you had good reflexes, now forget it. If fire hits you, you are dead (and it doesn't matter what hull you use)unless you have health packs left. Rico is now about the only weapon that can get in and fight back. On Silence with three twins on mammoth guarding the blue flag, it is near to impossible to get up there, let alone get away with a flag. I really don't see how you call this balanced. It really isn't much fun dying all the time. I built my garage around hornet and viking both M2 MU'ed but with them being too weak to withstand more then a couple of seconds it is silly.Thunder was never meant to be long range. It's most appealing feature was it's brute force and splash, but that came at a cost. Damage to yourself this is not an issue now and it lost it's appeal. It didn't really need an increase in distance it already reached the end of most maps and your visual range. The only upgrade that kinda makes sense is Rico, although it may be a little over powered. Isida has already been discussed, and I agree it is pretty much useless now. Overall I prefer to have things the way they where. It was more fun. Everyone stood a chance, but now no one stands a chance for more then a few seconds unless you want to hide.  I guess players that like to use strategy and think about how to kill their opponents have no place in the new Tanki Online. It's more like a fast paced arcade game, which to me has very little to do with tanks and tank warfare.

[a7x_Pedro48 13,999]

Why MU are so expansive for ricochet? I mean, its 5000 for one upgrade, and its in orange.

[a7x_Pedro48 13,999]

Why Ricochet's MU are so expansive? 

Edited April 24, 2014 by a7x_Pedro48

[ArieldeArgentina 35]

Here you have what I have done with my rebalanced Hornet M1 and Rico M1 , paint just Lava , no micro-updates.

Look at my low rank , , , I played against higher ranks with better tanks , , , It is not money , just skill and tactics . . . ;) :D ;) :D ;) :D :tank:

 

[Solid-Granit 30]

I was not playing yesterday already, I do not have a mood today. Like this already i don't care the tank one, even it if he goes bankrupt in it.

Let nobody pay to them because their customers are cheated, and be on strike according to me with it let it be seen that you are not playing the bad participative proportion!

[destroyerofworldsss 0]

Dear developers of Tanki Online,

 

I want to address the changes to the hulls and turrets. Firstly, let's look at Viking, that used to be the heaviest and strongest medium hull, which is an important characteristic which gave it its popularity, completely reversing these characteristics makes anything that players were used to irrelevant. It's fine that the game addresses the problems of inequality in tanks but that means you would have to give players refunds, and more importantly changing the kits. Medium m2 kit should have m2 thunder and m2 dictator shouldn't it? I understand that viking was a little overpowered so its armor had to be reduced, but why change its characteristic by making it the lightest medium tank. Also, the huge reduction in the damage of Thunder is a concern. I realise that m2 damage now, is as good as m0 damage was before the update. And why is there a change between range of smoky and thunder. I understand now smoky is a short range medium weapon, while thunder is a long range and medium, but the whole point of thunder was its splash damage and of course the disadvantage of self damage (but it made up for with powerful damage), which was good in short range and medium as tanks were closer to each other. Also firebird reload time is as good as freeze, which completely takes away the specialty of the turrets, and firebird gets a huge advantage since its damage is higher, has burn effect and reload time is as good as freeze, so who would want to have freeze instead of firebird? My concern here is that player's hard earned crystals have been wasted since they now favour one hull/turret over another that they have, and I am hesitant to buy/upgrade anything else since i know that the very new tanki online on unity is going to be released and that would completely change everything the whole dynamic of the game, so decisions cannot be made now. Maybe in time players will get used to the new stats, but now it just seems like the whole characteristic of what we were used to, or made the game dynamic is lost. For example, now when a thunder is shooting me i dont even need to be afraid. I would like to point out that majority of the players are teenagers and kids who want to have fun in this game, and it only seems like buyers are having the fun, with their drugging supplies and advantage in tanks and turrets, and the game has become ruled by druggers, so how is that fair? If inequality is to be addressed with the rebalance, what about buyers? and constant drugging? 

 

Thank you

[Solid-Granit 30]

Somebody knows it that there is Russian media supervision, where it is possible to denounce them for more thousand real monies for his pay shopping deception? You are enough this our own country to start?

But it would be necessary to write that the prerequisites of the game are modified in all countries on the big game sides in a first circle

[Solid-Granit 30]

From all an idiotic child was a game. Go and push the button. 

Run away from the twins, but they are waiting already the cowardly shafts. 

This does not have many senses, we are running around as a mouse only and we hide from the cats. 

On the Stadium hide already away! 

If the twins stands on the flag hidde you already away!