Update 254 — Balancing of Turrets and Hulls

[Buggati_The_Best 1,233]

Liquid,i think that new weapons will release in summer,or at New year 

[FreshbakedpieTO 111]

i just realized we are a bunch of stupid noobs crying about how they nerfed 3 guns that were too overpowered , so what? eventually u will get bored of something(i must admit i had no time to have fun crushing noobs with m3 thunder) but atleast i can use something else. 1.5 year back and even older we were all thunder freeze and rico users(high rankers) now its back exactly the same way, why so angry? :huh:

[r_killer06HUN0 0]

Nice man! :D 

[MrTactics 219]

Honestly i liked the changes apart from twins .. they got too much puffed 

also players have the rights to be refunded because for now they don't have what they really wanted 

Its a clear equation .. the game's fund or any marketing funds isn't the concern of the costumers, costumers have to get what they offered for . we dont have shares in a company to blame us for the changes that the game has done .. 

Well done Hazel.. we know you are a programmer and your work was great 

Just if you get less impact force for twins :/

impact force for twins is weak, its just very quick rapid reload.

 

If they lower impact they must increase reload and vice versa. I remeber when twins m0 could flip a mammy going up a ramp xD

[r_Mia1 8,513]

 

we play this game ,we players

not devs

they cant change everything they want on their desire

satisfaction must be in priority. 

even now they dont wanna read this topic and see our posts :)

» so , where tanki wanna go with this ?

if they continue going this way , there is no future for tanki

 

 

I agree with you. We are commenting here for nothing. They don't care. Hazel clearly said that he won't change anything and that we are fools if we think like that.

[yvano 35]

Chill, please. Part of you don`t like changes, part of you does. I have a thunder + hornet, m0 - and still gettin` 1,5 to 1,6 k/d ratio. I had to adapt, keep more distance from enemies, esp. rico, freeze and other close stuff - however i`ve adapted, still killin, still dyin - no more, no less. Yeah, i was angry when i started playin with changes and `ve been dying constantly. I`ve changed style of play, i`ve also adapted maps that i`ve been ommitin - like massacre. And the game - it`s pure bussines for devs, just like that`s fun for us. Haven`t invested real money in that, i`ve menaged to put about 50 k crys that went for MU almost completly - and that`s good. I like to play Thunder, i know how to play that - and if i wouldn`t go for MU i know i would be done by now. I have weaker tank before 254, that`s for sho. In close distance, because now i`m playin long ones and it`s bring me profits.

 

P.s. Devs changed the game, u r angy. But if for ex. Sony brings Z2 that`s practicly same as Z1 - with your logic those, who bought Z1 should complain etc. Phones evolvin, our game also evolvin. Apreciate that, and if not - play sth different. Tanki still plenty of fun, they givin us playroom - with new maps, with specs changing. With prices cutted in half so u can buy paints, crystals etc. But u say u want more, no 50% - u want 75%. If 75% would be putted for m3, 1/3 of players would invest real money/crystals just to pump up skills/stats. What next? Everybody would go for cheap m3, and in the end, there would be no so much fun in havin that. It has better taste when u`ll acomplish that by yourself, without price promotions, rubin boxes with 5k of crystals etc. Play it, have fun, and if u don`t - change the game. 

I guess at this rank your garage isnt that expensive added to that you dont even buy crystals.You think buying a turret or a hull is just a matter of pressing the 'buy' button,before doing that do you know how much meticulous thinking has been done,how much time has been wasted and how much money has been invested?assuming this is your only account(even if u do have a nother one I bet ur still a non-buyer and I respect that) do you know what it means to be used with a specific combo on which you invested and in the blink of an eye it is taken away and its even worst if u cant afford a new one (m3s).Your thunder-hornet combo may work fine for you but donnot forget that gameplay changes tremendously with rank consequently it may be different for others especially high ranks.

 

your phone logic though it makes sense is portraying something very ugly,A sony z2 is practically same as a Z1 yet they are still very different,the point is Sony would make it in such a way that those buying Z2 will get more privileges than those with the previous version thus indirectly making customers to react in that a way,this is what I call capitalism and it is gradually rottening our society and it can clearly be seen in every sphere of the society and even in online games.Im not against the devs,I know they do a damn job to improve this game but in a business satisfaction must be mutual in between the company and the consumer.Note our point here is not about discounts or sales or whatever,this update is simply unbalanced,so either we get a refundor it is changed. Now lets see if Tanki cares about its fellow tankmen.

[MrTactics 219]

I agree with you. We are commenting here for nothing. They don't care. Hazel clearly said that he won't change anything and that we are fools if we think like that.

You had your time to suggest improvements in the testing, many threw the opportunity back in their faces so why should they change it now? Some like, some don't and you can't please everyone. 

Edited April 24, 2014 by MrTactics

[MrTactics 219]

 

I guess at this rank your garage isnt that expensive added to that you dont even buy crystals.You think buying a turret or a hull is just a matter of pressing the 'buy' button,before doing that do you know how much meticulous thinking has been done,how much time has been wasted and how much money has been invested?assuming this is your only account(even if u do have a nother one I bet ur still a non-buyer and I respect that) do you know what it means to be used with a specific combo on which you invested and in the blink of an eye it is taken away and its even worst if u cant afford a new one (m3s).Your thunder-hornet combo may work fine for you but donnot forget that gameplay changes tremendously with rank consequently it may be different for others especially high ranks.

 

your phone logic though it makes sense is portraying something very ugly,A sony z2 is practically same as a Z1 yet they are still very different,the point is Sony would make it in such a way that those buying Z2 will get more privileges than those with the previous version thus indirectly making customers to react in that a way,this is what I call capitalism and it is gradually rottening our society and it can clearly be seen in every sphere of the society and even in online games.Im not against the devs,I know they do a damn job to improve this game but in a business satisfaction must be mutual in between the company and the consumer.Note our point here is not about discounts or sales or whatever,this update is simply unbalanced,so either we get a refundor it is changed. Now lets see if Tanki cares about its fellow tankmen.

 

So according to you, Tanki Online are corrupting todays society... Just because they made your OP weapon normal. 

[usotueur 20]

Rico and Fire cheated, Hornet, Thunder and Isida ruined ... good rebalance Tanki  :angry:

[yvano 35]

So according to you, Tanki Online are corrupting todays society... Just because they made your OP weapon normal. 

There are certain things I wouldnt say in this forum but if u want vivid examples I will give you.My simple point is this In profit making there are certain limits that should not be crossed.If you want to get more profits from a business dont do it in such a way that it will affect others highly.

Edited April 24, 2014 by yvano

[MrTactics 219]

There are certain things I wouldnt say in this forum but if u want vivid examples I will give you.My simple point is this In profit making there are certain limits that should not be crossed.If you want to get more profits from a business dont do it in such a way that it will affect others highly.

Let me get this clear, you think Tanki Online, have corrupted the earths society today, because they made a few things less powerful...  

[FreshbakedpieTO 111]

There are certain things I wouldnt say in this forum but if u want vivid examples I will give you.My simple point is this In profit making there are certain limits that should not be crossed.If you want to get more profits from a business dont do it in such a way that it will affect others highly.

U have a point there

[yvano 35]

Let me get this clear, you think Tanki Online, have corrupted the earths society today, because they made a few things less powerful...  

You are creating a wrong interpretation of my previous comment,What I said is this capitalism is found in all spheres of the society and even in online games( I did not make any reference to any company) and it is the plain truth.Those few things made less powerful as you call have monetary value and anything which has monetary value and in this case time value should not be taken lightly.

[posybilitator 6]

Note our point here is not about discounts or sales or whatever,this update is simply unbalanced,so either we get a refundor it is changed. Now lets see if Tanki cares about its fellow tankmen.

And i`m fine with your point - i get it, cause u don`t yell, u have arguments - and i understand that. Yes, that`s my only account  -i play each day for about 0,5  -1,5 hours , i don`t spend real money - so frankly it`s just fun for me. For me its not another "buy" pressing, it`s also a tact. what should i do to get better. However like someone told before me - right now some turrets have worst days, in next year other will have similar one. Frankly - if new person would start to play today, he would get that thing as something normal. Twins are better at close than the tunder etc. 

I get that high rank brings new stuff to game, however i look at that from my perspective cause i don`t have another one - for now for me game is just a fun. 

 

Also, tanki cares - i think and i hope. That`s why they tryin to bring us new graphs, new terrain to play, they try to change our habits with hulls and turr`s - sometimes that change have bad feedback, but hey, nobody`s perfect. Let`s see how that goes in next days/ weeks. And give it little time.Just a little patience..

[r_Mia1 8,513]

You had your time to suggest improvements in the testing, many threw the opportunity back in their faces so why should they change it now? Some like, some don't and you can't please everyone. 

How annoying you are.

[yvano 35]

And i`m fine with your point - i get it, cause u don`t yell, u have arguments - and i understand that. Yes, that`s my only account  -i play each day for about 0,5  -1,5 hours , i don`t spend real money - so frankly it`s just fun for me. For me its not another "buy" pressing, it`s also a tact. what should i do to get better. However like someone told before me - right now some turrets have worst days, in next year other will have similar one. Frankly - if new person would start to play today, he would get that thing as something normal. Twins are better at close than the tunder etc. 

I get that high rank brings new stuff to game, however i look at that from my perspective cause i don`t have another one - for now for me game is just a fun. 

 

Also, tanki cares - i think and i hope. That`s why they tryin to bring us new graphs, new terrain to play, they try to change our habits with hulls and turr`s - sometimes that change have bad feedback, but hey, nobody`s perfect. Let`s see how that goes in next days/ weeks. And give it little time.Just a little patience..

If only I had done like you,how foolish I was.

[vanshajwore 324]

But there's more buyers than just you :)

ok. but tanki must have lost about a few % of players who buy crystals by update 123, and now this. i dont think many people have stopped buying crystals after this update. BUT if they keep doing such updates many buyers will stop buying, and just tanki team will get a loss. thats why i think tanki should do updates which doesn't ruin this game rather than updates like this... i think only a few ppl will be left who will buy crystals, because most of the people who play game are not that foolish to waste their money on a game which has decided to decline soon....

[posybilitator 6]

How annoying you are.

I don`t think so.

Look, if there was a chance to speak what`s wrong with the changes and try that before it gets official - and we would miss that opportunity - it`s our fault then. 

Both of you, yvano and MrT , are telling truth - besides that earth society :) But i don`t think that we should go that far as for society, politics etc. 

[JoelStep 20]

Alright, appreciate your concern, but the devs mentioned numerous times that this is a trial version. In a matter of weeks or months all those imperfections at various ranks that you guys are complaining about will be fixed. Yes, hornet is nerfed, yes, twins is too fast. But if you keep playing the same way you played before of course you won't like it. If you try to hide a bit more with your hornet or you stay away from twins a bit more you will see how easy it is. There is no way for it to take me 2 hours to completely adjust to the new balance and for you to never be able to adapt.

Hi Valletta,

 

I agree that we could adjust out tactics according to the new changes, but yet it is not so easy:

 

I have Hornet - Isida.

 

Isida, as you know is a short range turret. I can only destroy enemies avoiding their shots and trying to reach them and sucking energy out of them before they destroy me. This was quite difficult at the beginning, but yet with some experience I became a master at that. I often thought that it would have been easier to get a Shaft and a Mammoth and to play sniper, but this was not my style, I like face-to-face active confrontation, and that is the reason why I invested so much time in my Hornet-Isida. I was aware that at higher ranks I would have had troubles against the several Shafts and Rails, and in effect you rarely see Hornet & Isidas in high-rank battles. In other words: I was aware of my weaknesses, but I did not care as long as I could play the way I like it.

 

Now...

 

Overnight I found myself with less self-healing power and less armour. For me it was already impossible to play in big maps as "Stadium" or against Shafts and Rails because I would be destroyed even before I started to move and I would never reach the enemy in time. After the "rebalancing" not only them, but also Thunders, Twins and Ricochets deal me a great amount of damage before I can reach them.

 

You say we should hide a little more, but with an Isida the only way I can defeat the enemy is going face-to-face. Right now I feel like the only "surviving" strategy for my Isida would be to hide behind a corner and wait for someone to pass-by. That is to say I should camp as I would have done with a Shaft, but with less fire power and only in small enclosures. I'm not saying that this is not a good strategy, but if I wished to play like this I would have chosen another tank...

 

I will not say things like "I will not play again", I still like the game and I will keep playing. I will see if I can still manage it with my Hornet-Isida and if not I will start all over again with some different combination. What I am trying to say is that, in my opinion, your analysts didn't look properly at the game statistics before taking such decisions. The fact that 50% of the players choose Hornet does not mean that Hornet is too strong and therefore needs to be "rebalanced". Maybe 50% of the players have an Hornet because it is cheaper, or because its higher levels unlocks earlier in the game, or because Wasp was too weak in comparison... Once again: as an "Hornet" player I already felt at loss against most of my opponents before. Now I feel just like a shooting target.

 

Thank you anyway for all your efforts and have a nice day.

 

JS

[Solid-Granit 30]

Everybody, was aware of his weaknesses when he bought his armament. 

Who was crying that stronger Viking, for what not had bought then Viking? 

Who prohibited it to him?

 

For what just this, what we saved up consciously, and we did not scatter the money away onto an all kinds of lousy paint you are from everything m1 re! 

He scattered it and then grave that weak, played so much though though! 

Shall we pay for this double now?

[wisx11 8]

From EULA, section Company's Rights and Obligations :

 

2. The Company shall be entitled to remove and/or change any information, content and Material(s) which forms part of the Game and/ or Online Facilities without any prior warning or notification.
3. The Company is entitled to close and/or to limit the functionality of the Game and/or game services at any time convenient to the Company, without the prior or following notice to User.

 

Most of us don't read EULA. That's why we came here to complain while actually, we are sheeps, the bottom of the "food chain". We eat each other day by day, exchange the fur for drugs, and the boss just sit down, harvest, sell, do some maintenance and enjoy "godmode_on".

 

Why complain ? Why to shine them some lights ? Why to suggest ? Sheeps cannot speak in the boss's language, don't you know ?

 

Don't worry, Tanki can't get bigger and bigger, because other BIGGER bosses would eat this Russian boss in some patents fights or something else.

[posybilitator 6]

 

Everybody, was aware of his weaknesses when he bought his armament. 

Who was crying that stronger Viking, for what not had bought then Viking? 

Who prohibited it to him?

 

For what just this, what we saved up consciously, and we did not scatter the money away onto an all kinds of lousy paint you are from everything m1 re! 

He scattered it and then grave that weak, played so much though though! 

Shall we pay for this double now?

 

I don`t want to be rude - but wtf? 

[moshkinstein 142]

My feedback of game play today on Polygon DM map after re-balancing:

I was using M3 Isida and Viking. Managed to do well, but you have to hide more due to the extra weaknesses. 

As Self Heal is weak and Re-load is slow, Isida is now more vulnerable. You have to play now with more patients.

You have to do surprise attacks and you cannot sit in the middle of map and survive for long.

Soon as you have destroyed a tank, you must go straight into a hiding place to re-charge.

 

Sadly Twins are showing their presence more in the game, as many players are dissolutioned with their main weapons.

I found a mixture of M2 and M3 Twins being used. That is how bad it has got.

Sadly as Viking is lighter, it is now more difficult to face twins and the Isida's Self-Heal struggles against the continuous plasma hits.

Don't forget that twins has triple advantage, from firing at distance to close range and the ability to have continuous fire.

Whereas Isida only has the luxury of close range.

 

The only good news is that Isida afflicts a little more damage than before.

My conclusion, Isida's only hope in the game is to be fully Micro Upgraded.

Isida will only be good in areas where you can hide, to be able to reload.

As Isida cannot survive for long, it will be a useless weapon in Desert DM map.

 

I hope this feedback is helpful and reaches the Tanki Developers. 

[Usman11111 41]

Sorry, we didn't mean it. We are working to make this game better.

ya sure you are doing it right

[Usman11111 41]

And sir bruce you avoided and ignored me last time and said that we cant refund if I only say so now whole world is saying this im not complaining world is where are you now?