Let's Discuss Mults and Saboteurs !

[swede1 1,726]

Mults and saboteurs are easy to find I can scroll games in any server and easily see which battles have cheating occurring to give the opponents victory, almost every takeover has mults in the opposing team, inactive, running with weakest equipment and no paints, ignoring the battle when obviously help is needed, doing the minimum to make recording their actions difficult, simply put, anyone can see what is going on if they are looking, and with the ability of spec and the tools to remove players from the battle, it should be easy to clean up the vast majority of games going on. 

This is not a random occurrence, the players who are doing this are not random players, they are groups of players and the same ones are seen doing this over and over on a daily basis. The more this occurs and the lack of firm action is breeding  a new type of player that sees this as the only option left for them to use if they are to succeed in this game, thus the problem is going to explode exponentially.

I often copy the names of suspected mults and search tanki forums and the vast majority come up over and over in violator sections of the RU, EN and DE forums, often with the same consequences, "sorry not enough proof to 100% confirm that he was multing, or you need more proof with a link to "how to take a vid" and even the one caught are often right back at it even with several bans under their belt.

 

[Vikingsrallentando 3,058]

Mults and saboteurs are easy to find I can scroll games in any server and easily see which battles have cheating occurring to give the opponents victory, almost every takeover has mults in the opposing team, inactive, running with weakest equipment and no paints, ignoring the battle when obviously help is needed, doing the minimum to make recording their actions difficult, simply put, anyone can see what is going on if they are looking, and with the ability of spec and the tools to remove players from the battle, it should be easy to clean up the vast majority of games going on.

Surely you can understand why its not possible to put people in battles on all servers with spectator; There simply is not enough chat moderators. And even if there were enough for every server, obtaining the proof to ban such violators is time consuming and tedious.

 

This is not a random occurrence, the players who are doing this are not random players, they are groups of players and the same ones are seen doing this over and over on a daily basis. The more this occurs and the lack of firm action is breeding  a new type of player that sees this as the only option left for them to use if they are to succeed in this game, thus the problem is going to explode exponentially.

This is also understood, at least to me. Clans are often subjected to the accusations of placing mults in the opposing team. The more it is done, the more people think its okay.

 

I often copy the names of suspected mults and search tanki forums and the vast majority come up over and over in violator sections of the RU, EN and DE forums, often with the same consequences, "sorry not enough proof to 100% confirm that he was multing, or you need more proof with a link to "how to take a vid" and even the one caught are often right back at it even with several bans under their belt.

I can't speak for the InfringersModerators but I am sure they want to punish these violations as much or even more than you do. But when the proof is not enough; not at par, doesn't meet standards of which a ban is warranted, doesn't accurately pin the player as a violator (not 100%), you know what I mean. Nothing can be done.

 

Tanki alone cant crack down on mults and sabotage without the help of players. Period. Whether they are normal players that take video or those that become moderators.

[Now.You.See.Me 202]

everyone can't take video

[falcosenna1 8,320]

My battle just got ruined by mults..... again. I don't make proof, because they'll only get banned for 1 day. That's nothing. They'll just do it again so their friends can win. Is there a possibility to increase the punishment for mults please. A 1 day ban is just ridiculous. 

[r_Mr.Protest0 228]

well.. banning them wont actually recover crystal that you lost in a battle because of mults... You should be asking for something or someone that/who would prevent players from multing... i have never seen /vote command in an action tho... report sent but still the same, mults keep multing -_-

Edited April 24, 2014 by r_Mr.Protest0

[Miahak 1,596]

It depends on what he does, if someone is multing, just report them, and of course they need proof. Sometime they block player for 1 week if they multing.

[falcosenna1 8,320]

As far as i've been scrolling through all the mults that have been punished, less than 5% has been blocked for a week. More than 95% only got banned for 1 day. Thanks for answering though.

[SuperPowerO9 8]

First of all we all love TO...Every player likes enjoying his battle with his mates or friend, raising the fund and then theres only thing that Players hatee when the battle gets harder ...Mults..

Mults stop you from playing or Either do nothing ..This happens to me like everyday .. Players try to get rid of Mult Bye /voting and no help from Mods wen more 6 players voted..[am not complaining about Mods] One of the highest fund that i lost with mults is 103ks.Thats the only day i played 7 hours in that battle..

 

I kindly ask The stuffs of Tanki to do well about this and excuse if my english is bad.i Appologize it..

 

[SuperPowerO9 8]

Pllz mod don't close this topic )

[Joshua16 780]

Mults= noob m0 who dont play and say things like axaxaxaxaxaxa, and profanity.

[SonofDeath 512]

Solution: PLay dm, you will love mults there

[BlitzPanzer12345 241]

Solution: PLay dm, you will love mults there

:lol:

Good one

[stanzhang 3,291]

is lets discuss not lets talk.

btw mults are annoying. in a team of 10 tanks a mult is ok but in a team of 4 tank a mult is anoying

[BlitzPanzer12345 241]

is lets discuss not lets talk.

btw mults are annoying. in a team of 10 tanks a mult is ok but in a team of 4 tank a mult is anoying

thats because u can kill the team off easily :P

[falcosenna1 8,320]

@Vikingsrall, about the chat moderators. There are not enough of them... I would like to become one :p

 

In my opinion the punishments should be more severe/harsh. You don't scare them with a 1 day ban. @miahak It hardly ever happens that a mult get blocked for an entire week.

[falcosenna1 8,320]

@Destroy-U Mults are not only players with m0.

[swede1 1,726]

Being a free game with players from all around the world of all ages from   5 :huh: to 70 B) years old , having varied internet connections from pitiful :(  to SICK!!!! :o and computers ranging from an old 486 :blink: to an XDNA Aurum 24K  :P it can be difficult to pick out the players who are sabotaging the outcome of the game.

The in game accusations are becoming far too wide spread and in many cases are only being used to discriminate, intimidate, mock, or insult players of which most are not multing or sabotaging the game.

Definitely there are many games where true multing and sabotaging of games is going on as well as power levelling and unsporting behaviour. 

I see many issues with games being created with too wide a rank range with auto balance off, and groups of skilled high rank players fill one side and wait for random lower rank players to join for easy funds, these are often just inexperienced players being falsely accused of multing. One option to solve this from occurring is to reduce the rank range more like it was before update 161, changing the parameters that high rank players can create, the widening of the rank range was created for the clan and team system to battle together but that really is not needed now with the tournaments being mainly geared for M3 players.

The other is much more devious, "The TAKEOVER" where groups of players conspire to steal the fund from long battles, I will not get into details of their tactics but I assure you the intent to sabotage the winning team is often premeditated with the use of mults to ensure the win.

Then there is the third style of mult who just enjoys ruining battles for several reasons, generally aimed at ensuring a player / or players he dislikes or a type of battle created by true sportsmen to lose the enjoyment of the battle they created.

The penalties for these such players should be severe and swift, and have a long lasting effect and repeat offenders should be removed from the game.

I also find many players that consider themselves as good honourable players often participate in these games knowing that this type of activity is occurring and benefiting in the spoils making them a party to these activities, the greed for crystals makes even the most sportsmanlike players give up their honour for the fund. One way to combat this desire would be to delete the battle and no one gets the fund if the use of multing is clear and offenders are caught in the act.

[blackopspaul 753]

Mults are nearly in ever battle we must report them!

[swede1 1,726]

I think what the general consensus is that the mults and game violators get off way to easy, both serious violators of chats, forums , and in game foul play,or any acts that are not sportsmanlike should have stronger consequences, and all access to the game should be blocked for increasingly longer times, 5 min, 30 min, 1 hr, 6, hrs, 1 day, 1 week, 1 month, 6 months, lifetime, if they cannot play this game without continually breaking the rules, this game should not accessible to them. These players for the most part are causing this to hurt the bottom line of Tankionline, removing them will make the game more enjoyable for all, it will never be perfect but it would be a step in the right direction.

Tanki these players are hurting the game and its future, if you don't address the issue with stronger actions against these players membership will continue to decline and no contests or rewards will save it.

[TriNitroToIuene 4,765]

They are annoying :angry:

In Rio, there was this guy, he used to push me off the building when I had the flag and then capture it himself

[swede1 1,726]

Here is an Idea for the Devs to consider in finding foul play in battles.

Create a means of seeing if friends are playing against each other, highlight relationships between players friends lists, this is the main way mults are helping friends, they have huge friends lists and go to help certain players win games. the only other time friends will play is in clan practices so it would be very easy to flag these battles by this means for game violator mods.  

They can then go into these battles and monitor whether or not clear multing is going on with spec.

[jokersus.cava 1,503]

That is insane! Minimum ban for mults should be a week. If they continiue, month, and then forever and then block!

[qq2467249711 2]

Being a free game with players from all around the world of all ages from   5 :huh: to 70 B) years old , having varied internet connections from pitiful :(  to SICK!!!! :o and computers ranging from an old 486 :blink: to an XDNA Aurum 24K  :P it can be difficult to pick out the players who are sabotaging the outcome of the game.

The in game accusations are becoming far too wide spread and in many cases are only being used to discriminate, intimidate, mock, or insult players of which most are not multing or sabotaging the game.

Definitely there are many games where true multing and sabotaging of games is going on as well as power levelling and unsporting behaviour. 

I see many issues with games being created with too wide a rank range with auto balance off, and groups of skilled high rank players fill one side and wait for random lower rank players to join for easy funds, these are often just inexperienced players being falsely accused of multing. One option to solve this from occurring is to reduce the rank range more like it was before update 161, changing the parameters that high rank players can create, the widening of the rank range was created for the clan and team system to battle together but that really is not needed now with the tournaments being mainly geared for M3 players.

The other is much more devious, "The TAKEOVER" where groups of players conspire to steal the fund from long battles, I will not get into details of their tactics but I assure you the intent to sabotage the winning team is often premeditated with the use of mults to ensure the win.

Then there is the third style of mult who just enjoys ruining battles for several reasons, generally aimed at ensuring a player / or players he dislikes or a type of battle created by true sportsmen to lose the enjoyment of the battle they created.

The penalties for these such players should be severe and swift, and have a long lasting effect and repeat offenders should be removed from the game.

I also find many players that consider themselves as good honourable players often participate in these games knowing that this type of activity is occurring and benefiting in the spoils making them a party to these activities, the greed for crystals makes even the most sportsmanlike players give up their honour for the fund. One way to combat this desire would be to delete the battle and no one gets the fund if the use of multing is clear and offenders are caught in the act.

Then the honest players who actrually played hard to get that fund on the multed team will lose their battle fund too.

[swede1 1,726]

Then the honest players who actrually played hard to get that fund on the multed team will lose their battle fund too.

If mults are aware that battles will be deleted, they will not be so quick to enter on the other side from their friends to ensure easy victories, and if they are punished as well. the occurrences of multing will reduce drastically.

These are only ideas, but without players posting ideas on how to stem the epidemic of mults on our servers nothing will happen.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

Combat rule breakers with video helpers

 

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=217573

Edited August 18, 2014 by AbsoluteZero