Is English community's Cybersport falling?

[SlLVER 12]

League 1: 4 clans are gone from there, only a few left, one of them is very underpowered and shouldn't even be in league 3 (You know who exactly)
League 2: They are all noobs

League 3: Fair

League 4: Dead, a section specialized for low ranks who don't know how to arrange a training or a war

 

 

English Cybersport (In my opinion) is bad and dead, after CS 2.0 and starladder stuff, it was supposed to be better, but obviously not. Alex-sss didn't do anything about it.

 

It was way better at the times of Solo and Tandem, Dream team and Lucky 7, now it is really impossible for those who are under league 1 to get paints, also those who play Solo, the players themselves don't know how to organize Solo and Tandem tourneys, experts have to do that.

 

And now I feel like CS moderators are doing nothing but closing League 4 clans, commentators and streamers are also doing nothing.

 

1 more thing, lags are increasing rapidly these days, my ping grows randomly although my internet connection is pretty good, I don't lag anywhere except in Tanki, it is because developers are focusing on moving Tanki to unity and leaving all problems behind. I don't even think that they will complete moving it, what happened with Tanki 2.0 will happen to Unity most probably.

 

Players will never stop complaining about Tanki's problems, but why is this? Just because every developer gets 8000$ a month doesn't mean they're on a growth.

 

If you don't agree, just leave, and no it's not only me who is lagging.

 

 

Edited July 2, 2014 by Issho_Fujitora

[flae88 948]

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[Eragon 13,876]

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My opinion:

 

Leagues:

 

1. Few are left, never have clan wars, live on boosting fame and glory

2. More active

3. Not bad clans, wanting to become great

4. Low rankers who make nooby clans.

 

i think the rank limit to make a official clan should be no less then major. And still.. i was thinking of even brigadier.

+ Mods rarely look in 4th league section. A noob could make a topic their and it would be open for a month before a mod would find it! :lol:  No offence

[Aero.v2.0 1,456]

+ Mods rarely look in 4th league section. A noob could make a topic their and it would be open for a month before a mod would find it! :lol:  No offence

I'd like to disagree with that. The moderators are constantly searching the forum for violations, and browse every section including all CS sections. If there is a violation, we generally catch it quickly. If you find a violation, I'm sure you know how to report it ;)

 

P.S. " No offence" that spelling offends me :P

[Joshua16 780]

My clan is one of the few "teams" in league 4, and were a mostly m3 clan, and we still stuck in league 4, but i dont mind

[coolio679 84]

My clan is one of the few "teams" in league 4, and were a mostly m3 clan, and we still stuck in league 4, but i dont mind

You should be at least in league 3 in that case

[shadewarttt 3,350]

I think we are lagging because of the new unnecessary map extension which increases the overall virtual size of the map. I can't play on silence anymore.

[SuperNick95 5,312]

As admitted by the clan leaders themselves, english players were too used to play at a certain level and win easily, but that level is nothing compared to russians'. And now that we unified the tournaments with russians due to starladder, the truth became evident: our clans aren't strong enough. Instead of training and gaining strength though they do not put effort in it and they think their position can't be improved. Quoting a clan leader, 
"the mentality of english players is just totally wrong
they don't want to train hard, but they do want to win, and if they can't win, then why play and train with clan?
just a bunch of freelancers without any goal nor motivation"
It is clear to everyone that as for now none of the english clans can get to the very first places in the game rankings. But why letting things drop like this? Russians certainly are advantaged by the fact that they have better ping, speak a single language, possibly know each other in real life, etc, but we shouldn't lose the hope for the future. In the past we put special paints as reward to the top english teams that classified in russian tournaments, undepending their position in the tournament. With starladder now we won't do that, but if the situation doesn't change we'll take other measures of course. I am open for discussion, but I am sure you can do that without comments about developers' pay. 
Player SlLVER has been warned. Reason: Violation of Forum rules. Improper criticism of the game and its representatives, ••>> Rules 
 
PS: Clans willing to improve their situations in leagues should have applied for the Amateur Series. The registration closes today.

[I-Iero 823]

My clan is one of the few "teams" in league 4, and were a mostly m3 clan, and we still stuck in league 4, but i dont mind

+1

[r_Stadium0 43]

As admitted by the clan leaders themselves, english players were too used to play at a certain level and win easily, but that level is nothing compared to russians'. And now that we unified the tournaments with russians due to starladder, the truth became evident: our clans aren't strong enough. Instead of training and gaining strength though they do not put effort in it and they think their position can't be improved. Quoting a clan leader, 

"the mentality of english players is just totally wrong

they don't want to train hard, but they do want to win, and if they can't win, then why play and train with clan?

just a bunch of freelancers without any goal nor motivation"

It is clear to everyone that as for now none of the english clans can get to the very first places in the game rankings. But why letting things drop like this? Russians certainly are advantaged by the fact that they have better ping, speak a single language, possibly know each other in real life, etc, but we shouldn't lose the hope for the future. In the past we put special paints as reward to the top english teams that classified in russian tournaments, undepending their position in the tournament. With starladder now we won't do that, but if the situation doesn't change we'll take other measures of course. I am open for discussion, but I am sure you can do that without comments about developers' pay. 

Player SlLVER has been warned. Reason: Violation of Forum rules. Improper criticism of the game and its representatives, ••>> Rules 

 

PS: Clans willing to improve their situations in leagues should have applied for the Amateur Series. The registration closes today.

But there is a reason for Russians' professionalism, and you yourself know what is it, if you don't, then I'll tell you.

 

Many grand tournaments were held in the Russian community, the prizes were paints, here we only had crystals as a prize, if we had paints as a prize, we would absolutely work harder and train more to get them. 

 

In short, prizes for the English community were not satisfying.

1 more thing, Russian Top League clans were playing for a very long time, not less than 3 years, English Top League clans were only playing for 3 years max, that's why we don't have as much expertise as they do.

 

What's the point of English clans playing against Russian ones while we can never have more skills than they do, training won't be sufficient enough to gain their skills.

 

You, Tanki developers said that you will join all 3 communities in 1 cybersport so that English and German communities can compete for paints, that wasn't needed, Russians already had these paints and they were only 1 community.

Edited June 25, 2014 by r_Stadium0

[Meliora 1,652]

If you don't like it don't watch it :angry:  

Unfortunately, this is not the correct attitude to follow. Without criticism, nothing will improve. Constructive criticism, mind :D.

[GoldRock 6,165]

As admitted by the clan leaders themselves, english players were too used to play at a certain level and win easily, but that level is nothing compared to russians'. And now that we unified the tournaments with russians due to starladder, the truth became evident: our clans aren't strong enough. Instead of training and gaining strength though they do not put effort in it and they think their position can't be improved. Quoting a clan leader,

"the mentality of english players is just totally wrong

they don't want to train hard, but they do want to win, and if they can't win, then why play and train with clan?

just a bunch of freelancers without any goal nor motivation"

It is clear to everyone that as for now none of the english clans can get to the very first places in the game rankings. But why letting things drop like this? Russians certainly are advantaged by the fact that they have better ping, speak a single language, possibly know each other in real life, etc, but we shouldn't lose the hope for the future. In the past we put special paints as reward to the top english teams that classified in russian tournaments, undepending their position in the tournament. With starladder now we won't do that, but if the situation doesn't change we'll take other measures of course. I am open for discussion, but I am sure you can do that without comments about developers' pay.

Player SlLVER has been warned. Reason: Violation of Forum rules. Improper criticism of the game and its representatives, ••>> Rules

 

PS: Clans willing to improve their situations in leagues should have applied for the Amateur Series. The registration closes today.

I agree with this post entirely. The Cybersport mods can't make English clans perform better, that's up to the clans themselves. All they can do is try to encourage this - for example, with Starladder. I'm really looking forward to seeing how some of our better clans perform, and I also think it'll provide a wake-up call to our L1 and L2 clans when they find things more difficult than they might have thought. It'll also provide some of our L3 clans with a good opportunity to challenge those L1 and L2 ones - and to me, it looks like a fair few are good enough to do that, and even to compete with some of the Russians. So, even though English clans are no longer going to receive special paints so easily, I do think that Cybersport in the English community is taking a step in the right direction, and we have the Cybersport team of staff to thank for that.

 

The one thing I do agree with is the lack of activity by Cybersport commentators - but it does seem that's because of the restructuring taking place with Cybersport at the moment. I hope to see English commentary for many of the matches in the upcoming Starladder events, and it'd be even better if the commentating team are able to use this opportunity to introduce us to Russian clans. I think that would really help us to open our minds to the competition out there ^_^

[canadarules 1,938]

As admitted by the clan leaders themselves, english players were too used to play at a certain level and win easily, but that level is nothing compared to russians'. And now that we unified the tournaments with russians due to starladder, the truth became evident: our clans aren't strong enough. Instead of training and gaining strength though they do not put effort in it and they think their position can't be improved. Quoting a clan leader, 

"the mentality of english players is just totally wrong

they don't want to train hard, but they do want to win, and if they can't win, then why play and train with clan?

just a bunch of freelancers without any goal nor motivation"

It is clear to everyone that as for now none of the english clans can get to the very first places in the game rankings. But why letting things drop like this? Russians certainly are advantaged by the fact that they have better ping, speak a single language, possibly know each other in real life, etc, but we shouldn't lose the hope for the future. In the past we put special paints as reward to the top english teams that classified in russian tournaments, undepending their position in the tournament. With starladder now we won't do that, but if the situation doesn't change we'll take other measures of course. I am open for discussion, but I am sure you can do that without comments about developers' pay. 

 

 

PS: Clans willing to improve their situations in leagues should have applied for the Amateur Series. The registration closes today.

The red i have highlighted is what i like to call 'Is this a joke?'

The yellow is 'What the'

The green is okay

 

First of all i would like to start with the red- is this a joke....look at all the tournaments that have been played before this. What do they all have in common...oh ya a default time that favors the Russians every single time. Now that there is not default time you will clearly be able to see the English community excel...oh wait i am wrong because when they get to the star series it favors the Russians once again.....seriously the only thing holding our clans back is these dumb default times. you don't see any of the player made tournaments doing that because they are all set up for people to succeed and thats what players do....

 

secondly now the yellow- What the how are the Russians advantaged? They play the same game as us unless something is fixed.....also with regards to the amateur series it said no default time for games if i am correct? meaning this will show the English communities try talents

 

Now for the green- This is mainly the positive part which ik you are right about. English community will win champion in sometime..also what kind of discussion?

 

So in all, take away default times and the Russians can't hide behind anything else, thats when the true fun begins

[SuperNick95 5,312]

But there is a reason for Russians' professionalism, and you yourself know what is it, if you don't, then I'll tell you.

 

Many grand tournaments were held in the Russian community, the prizes were paints, here we only had crystals as a prize, if we had paints as a prize, we would absolutely work harder and train more to get them. 

 

In short, prizes for the English community were not satisfying.

1 more thing, Russian Top League clans were playing for a very long time, not less than 3 years, English Top League clans were only playing for 3 years max, that's why we don't have as much expertise as they do.

 

What's the point of English clans playing against Russian ones while we can never have more skills than they do, training won't be sufficient enough to gain their skills.

 

You, Tanki developers said that you will join all 3 communities in 1 cybersport so that English and German communities can compete for paints, that wasn't needed, Russians already had these paints and they were only 1 community.

This is not true, I don't know whether you are new to cybersports o know very little about our history, because we've had a few paints as prizes for english only tournaments

 

 

 

The red i have highlighted is what i like to call 'Is this a joke?'

The yellow is 'What the'

The green is okay

 

First of all i would like to start with the red- is this a joke....look at all the tournaments that have been played before this. What do they all have in common...oh ya a default time that favors the Russians every single time. Now that there is not default time you will clearly be able to see the English community excel...oh wait i am wrong because when they get to the star series it favors the Russians once again.....seriously the only thing holding our clans back is these dumb default times. you don't see any of the player made tournaments doing that because they are all set up for people to succeed and thats what players do....

 

secondly now the yellow- What the how are the Russians advantaged? They play the same game as us unless something is fixed.....also with regards to the amateur series it said no default time for games if i am correct? meaning this will show the English communities try talents

 

Now for the green- This is mainly the positive part which ik you are right about. English community will win champion in sometime..also what kind of discussion?

 

So in all, take away default times and the Russians can't hide behind anything else, thats when the true fun begins

200 russian teams and 40 international teams apply. The default time is supposed to meet the favor of the most players. Therefore - russians.

Russians are advantaged because they have better - cooperation (team play), a word unknown to many of our players.

[canadarules 1,938]

200 russian teams and 40 international teams apply. The default time is supposed to meet the favor of the most players. Therefore - russians.

Russians are advantaged because they have better - cooperation (team play), a word unknown to many of our players.

The default time is what ruins these tournaments, team work is well known to everyone i play with....default time=unfair for communities because the Russians just avoid playing at another time and receive FD which allow them to win. main reason why most English community clans are not in first

[FaaiqBilal1 795]

As admitted by the clan leaders themselves, english players were too used to play at a certain level and win easily, but that level is nothing compared to russians'. And now that we unified the tournaments with russians due to starladder, the truth became evident: our clans aren't strong enough. Instead of training and gaining strength though they do not put effort in it and they think their position can't be improved. Quoting a clan leader, 

"the mentality of english players is just totally wrong

they don't want to train hard, but they do want to win, and if they can't win, then why play and train with clan?

just a bunch of freelancers without any goal nor motivation"

It is clear to everyone that as for now none of the english clans can get to the very first places in the game rankings. But why letting things drop like this? Russians certainly are advantaged by the fact that they have better ping, speak a single language, possibly know each other in real life, etc, but we shouldn't lose the hope for the future. In the past we put special paints as reward to the top english teams that classified in russian tournaments, undepending their position in the tournament. With starladder now we won't do that, but if the situation doesn't change we'll take other measures of course. I am open for discussion, but I am sure you can do that without comments about developers' pay. 

Player SlLVER has been warned. Reason: Violation of Forum rules. Improper criticism of the game and its representatives, ••>> Rules 

 

PS: Clans willing to improve their situations in leagues should have applied for the Amateur Series. The registration closes today.

I render your argument valid, but in my opinion, the warning was inappropriate, discussion regarding cyber sport should be allowed and watching the decline in it, we can only work if we plan something.

 

 

Considering the on going discussion I would like to add that MAYBE, the time is not yet ripe to merge all the communities together. Russians have many advantages over the other communities, as stated by yourself. The prizes and experience they have had does not match that of our community. Perhaps it doesn't have to, but I further implore that we should only have tournaments in our community which is yet to grow, our clans aren't good or liable to take part with others.

 

To the OP, I agree that lags have been increasing greatly. Perhaps one of the reason could be the recent double funds, 3* reward on VKontakte, but the reason that could greatly be responsible for this would be that the developers are extremely busy with the movement of tanki to Unity. They are unable to get enough time to maintain their servers.

 

I believe it is only a matter of weeks that hackers will take advantage of this vulnerability and hackers arise. We can also expect that this MAY cause tanki to Unity to be abandoned, just like Tanki 2.0 was. Maybe the situation is slightly different because tanki was undergoing a set of changes, but here they are completely changing their engine, which they really need to, they didn't exactly need to move to tanki 2.0 back then.

Edited June 25, 2014 by FaaiqBilal1

[r_Stadium0 43]

This is not true, I don't know whether you are new to cybersports o know very little about our history, because we've had a few paints as prizes for english only tournaments

No I'm not new here, I have been here since 2011, this is my alternative account.

 

We only had 1 paint, which is Lucky7, which was disgusting and is nothing compared to Acid, I'm talking about Clan championships, the first clan championship (Which DD won in it), you gave them no paints, while Russians had 7 clan championships and Champion, Silver and Bronze were the prizes along with crystals.

Edited June 25, 2014 by r_Stadium0

[canadarules 1,938]

No I'm not new here, I have been here since 2011, this is my alternative account.

 

We only had 1 paint, which is Lucky7, which was disgusting and is nothing compared to Acid, I'm talking about Clan championships, the first clan championship (Which DD won in it), you gave them no paints, while Russians had 7 clan championships and Champion, Silver and Bronze were the prizes along with crystals.

i noticed that too

[Reckoning 178]

I believe it is only a matter of weeks that hackers will take advantage of this vulnerability and hackers arise. We can also expect that this MAY cause tanki to Unity to be abandoned, just like Tanki 2.0 was. Maybe the situation is slightly different because tanki was undergoing a set of changes, but here they are completely changing their engine, which they really need to, they didn't exactly need to move to tanki 2.0 back then.

Tanki 2.0? i had to google it to believe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj_77LHzWsU

[FaaiqBilal1 795]

No I'm not new here, I have been here since 2011, this is my alternative account.

 

We only had 1 paint, which is Lucky7, which was disgusting and is nothing compared to Acid, I'm talking about Clan championships, the first clan championship (Which DD won in it), you gave them no paints, while Russians had 7 clan championships and Champion, Silver and Bronze were the prizes along with crystals.

That's not what really matters, what matters is the fact that english players are yet incapable for competing with the Russian clans. Perhaps a step that could have been taken to improve the situation would be to lower down the dependency of 'XP'. There are many players out there who do not use 'XP' but play MUCH better with other combos. Now the Star Ladder tournaments are dependent completely on XP combos. Why would we waste crystals or irl money on the game if we knew that only one combo would be used in the end. Creating more sets of combos that would be allowed in clan wars would improve this. For this, they must level the tanks/guns. The reason heavy hulls can't be used in the tournaments is because they are too over powered. Lowering down their strength and making them capable of competing  with other combos without over powering them will require huge amount of attention. I believe that there are many other players in the game who do not know about the forum and resulting, they do not know about clans. Promotion of the forum, and specially, the cyber sport section would be a huge step to the improvement

of the collapsing cybersport. Finding more clans in the second and third leagues which really deserve being in the top league would be required.

Without these steps, English cybersport community will eventually decline.

 

'Solo' and 'Tandem' competitions really require a guide so more of them emerge. Currently, only few people who have knowledge of organizing manage to successfully organise these sort of tournaments.

Tanki 2.0? i had to google it to believe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj_77LHzWsU

Rendering a bit off-topic, are we? ;)

[The_PlayMaker 657]

That's not what really matters, what matters is the fact that english players are yet incapable for competing with the Russian clans. 

I don't think that guys with full m3 garage want crystals, they want paints. Even 2 million crystals for a guy with full m3 garage is useless :)

Edited June 26, 2014 by The_PlayMaker

[FaaiqBilal1 795]

I don't think that guys with full m3 garage want crystals, they want paints. Even 2 million crystals for a guy with full m3 garage is useless :)

Please tell me, how many are there in the English community?

[Reckoning 178]

Rendering a bit off-topic, are we? ;)

:lol:

[The_PlayMaker 657]

Please tell me, how many are there in the English community?

L1 clans except TQ, L2 clans except few. That equals almost 40-50 players with full m3 garage

P.S.- I don't have time to read ur earlier post fully becoz i cudn't see anything which makes sense :)

Edited June 26, 2014 by The_PlayMaker

[Reckoning 178]

That's not what really matters, what matters is the fact that english players are yet incapable for competing with the Russian clans. Perhaps a step that could have been taken to improve the situation would be to lower down the dependency of 'XP'. There are many players out there who do not use 'XP' but play MUCH better with other combos. Now the Star Ladder tournaments are dependent completely on XP combos. Why would we waste crystals or irl money on the game if we knew that only one combo would be used in the end. Creating more sets of combos that would be allowed in clan wars would improve this. For this, they must level the tanks/guns. The reason heavy hulls can't be used in the tournaments is because they are too over powered. Lowering down their strength and making them capable of competing  with other combos without over powering them will require huge amount of attention. I believe that there are many other players in the game who do not know about the forum and resulting, they do not know about clans. Promotion of the forum, and specially, the cyber sport section would be a huge step to the improvement

of the collapsing cybersport. Finding more clans in the second and third leagues which really deserve being in the top league would be required.

Without these steps, English cybersport community will eventually decline.

Nailed it!

i believe we should show support to our players and community in these troubled times.we have our short comings,yes. but let not make this a platform to bash cybersport and our clans in general.