Is English community's Cybersport falling?

[brambo6 645]

Agreed, but if you read the previous pages, you will see that not everyone agrees that the english cybersport is falling. About your question 'What will we do about it?' That is completely up on the clan leaders. Do they believe that we can win some battles? Do they believe that their clan is worthy? Then they are the ones responsible for victory.

You're wrong in this. Your leader can put as much effort in the clan as he wants. Eventually, he'll need 5-6 other guys to do the same, with the same dedication. A leader that doesn't believe in his own clan won't have dedicated members, or at least not for long. 

[brambo6 645]

English clans are lazy ok but most leaders don't try to tackle this laziness. Out of the 8 clans I've been in only one leader has bothered.

Leaders ain't teachers, moms, dads, ... If the members don't want to train, the leader can't do nothing but kicking those members. After all, he'll end up without members.

[Therider 2,034]

I agree with almost everything that you said faaiq, besides what Brambo pointed out.. 

Edited June 30, 2014 by Therider

[FaaiqBilal1 795]

You're wrong in this. Your leader can put as much effort in the clan as he wants. Eventually, he'll need 5-6 other guys to do the same, with the same dedication. A leader that doesn't believe in his own clan won't have dedicated members, or at least not for long. 

I agree with almost everything that you said faaiq, besides what Brambo pointed out.. 

That is what I tried to point out in the rest of my context. The help will not only be from one side, both sides will have to work together for the clan to be successful. Without that help and support from members, the clan will be unsuccessful. I witnessed this with my own former experience. I was very immature regarding my experience as a leader and very young in this experience. I had one co leader who was very helping and supporting. Other members of mine were barely active or loyal, I ended up closing the clan in a month. 

 

My Positive quota is full, otherwise I would have upvoted your post brambo ;)

Edited June 30, 2014 by FaaiqBilal1

[swede1 1,726]

I originally posted this to talk with lower rank players, but after getting into more depth I decided it really has a lot to say about Cybersports and the direction we have been led.

 

 

As a player who is almost a Generalissimo, I can still remember my humble beginnings in Tanki.

When I started it was very exciting, hulls and turrets were quite inexpensive to purchase as M0 even with the tiny funds given at low ranks and basically not a drugger in sight.

Then came the first shock, only enough crystals saved for a couple M1s, what to buy, and why did I buy all the M0s. I finally decided on hornet, rail, and thunder.

Broke again, working night and day battling for hours and hunting crystals and the occasional gold box that fell without warning "that was the most fun in tanki to see that gold box just suddenly appear before you".

Then the Druggers came into the scene, and I was forced just as you are now to look endlessly for games where I was highest rank so that I could avoid the main drug wars, I almost gave up Tanki all together. I didn't think I could ever get any further in the game, and I couldn't understand how or why these guys could drug non-stop in battle.

I couldn't afford a no supply pass, still with very small funds for each battle and with less chance than ever to actually win without 100 or more drugs to use for each battle to combat the higher ranks.

My pleas were heard by a few nice players,@EVISITORS was one of them and he said "don't give up hope, join a team and make some friends, so I tried it and I started to have fun again in the game, we played together, and against other teams without the druggers, we also teamed up in random battles and got quite skilled to combat the druggers with great success using teamwork. It was some of the best times in Tanki.

Finally I was able to buy firebird and a few M2s and a couple paints. Still not enough no supply games to warrant getting a no supply pass and the ever increasing cost of M2s and paints became totally out of reach again having spent every crystal I had saved up for many months, and the huge need to acquire M3s that were emerging in all the battles I was getting into at this point. I was feeling very out gunned.

This was my second major Tanki career decision, Quit Tanki or Buy crystals to compete, well I guess you can see which option I chose, at this point I was totally hooked and had invested too much time to give up the game I grew to love. $40 with a DCC and I was rolling in crystals, went on a shopping spee and got a great garage, even got some drugs for a little payback.

This is where I hoped the game would get interesting again, I Joined Top gun, it was great and very much like playing with the team before, ran a well organised and friendly group, we had lots of fun and had members of many ranks. we started getting into some great battles against well known players of high rank in established clans, we practised together regularly and had played with honour and pride.

But this was not to be the way of clans and teams of the future, Tanki created our first tournament to divide the clans into leagues, braking up into groups based on garage, and segregating the Generalissimos from the rest of the high ranks and mid ranks and so on, all of a sudden we were being discriminated against for not all being Generalissimo buyers with full garages and all the clans were in upheaval pushing all their players to buy so they could move up into higher leagues or even fight to stay in the league they were placed, this changed the landscape of the clan system, from friendship to greed and the clans started shopping for players enticing the good ones to switch clans, and kicking out players who didn't meet the standards or participate enough, others looked at their team mates, if they weren't all buyers or as high a rank, they made the decision to run to a stronger clan. These were hard times for clans and many great players left the game because of it.

More and more of this has continued over the last year with many, many disputes, ill will, and spiteful behaviour among clans and members, many clans closing there doors forever.

With the arrival of this newest tournament system being moved away from this forum, and basicly the closure of all clans as we know it in Tanki, the forum will lose its most active members voices and the forum will become just a place to complain about violators and the occasional contest.

Edited July 1, 2014 by swede1

[Ochai_back 61]

Player Ochai_back has been banned for a day. Reason: Violation of Forum Rules. Improper criticism of the game and its representatives, ••>> Rules 

[red_tank_the_best 300]

Russian clans are much more organised, and they first got paints as prizes in contests. The StarLadder is great oportunity for english comunity's clans to test their team-play, railgun skills and how they are ranked in world. But, AmSeries are planned very badly, because none of the english clans understood the rules and requirements(L2, L3, L4).

 

First, there were only a few english clans which managed to register, and all other didnt because faq was only on russian. It took me 3 hours to understand the whole system of site, and to create first english faq. Then, the maximum number of clans was 256, and more than 300 clans registered, so the dates were changed. Idk for other leaders, but this was bad suprise for my clan, I wont play half of contest due to vacation.

 

Second, the matches. For StarSeries, there's special server, and right on time. AmSeries are played on regular servers, and that makes russian clans much stronger, destroying any chances for L4. and m2 clans. I choosed 3 very skilled members of my clan, but they have railgun and hornet m1(third lieutenant).

 

And the third, comunication between english and russian clan is often impossible.

[The_PlayMaker 657]

I have to agree with what Damn Slow has said, all I see in the clan leaders chat on Skype is constant bickering and arguing, and I've been saying for quite a while that English CS can't progress with this going on and we haven't deserved tournaments with good prizes like paints.

 

Personally, I'm not entering my clan for the AmSeries as IK that we aren't ready, we have different priorities as a clan so we don't train enough, we don't have a constant team, and we'll be destroyed by the first Russian clan we meet.

Pfft, You don't say. My friend told me that IC is nothing but just a social networking site for old people :3

Edited July 1, 2014 by The_PlayMaker

[red_tank_the_best 300]

The only way to beat russian elite clans is to make one big english clan from all great forumers like "Reborn Legacy" was.

That an would be active and will train often.

[Ochai_back 61]

The only way to beat russian elite clans is to make one big english clan from all great forumers like "Reborn Legacy" was.

That an would be active and will train often.

Yeah , that clan was awesome.

[SuperNick95 5,312]

Good news. I managed to get a translator and this cooperation will allow us to translate CS guides from the russian forum, I was told they are really detailed and helpful for newcomers and even for experienced clans. We'll see. The first topics should appear next week, stay tuned. 

Bird's eye views of the maps are included too.

[FaaiqBilal1 795]

Great! So guidance and help will also come from other communities! This is really what we needed. I hope they are actually really good, I really expect something from the Russian community. Will they contain leadership guides? Most of our young leaders really need this. On second note: Hopefully the translation will be understandable, thank you!

[canadarules 1,938]

Good news. I managed to get a translator and this cooperation will allow us to translate CS guides from the russian forum, I was told they are really detailed and helpful for newcomers and even for experienced clans. We'll see. The first topics should appear next week, stay tuned. 

Bird's eye views of the maps are included too.

boss k

[SlLVER 12]

Good news. I managed to get a translator and this cooperation will allow us to translate CS guides from the russian forum, I was told they are really detailed and helpful for newcomers and even for experienced clans. We'll see. The first topics should appear next week, stay tuned. 

Bird's eye views of the maps are included too.

Good idea, but too late, no one is in starseries from the English community anymore.

[dragonssk1 334]

As admitted by the clan leaders themselves, english players were too used to play at a certain level and win easily, but that level is nothing compared to russians'. And now that we unified the tournaments with russians due to starladder, the truth became evident: our clans aren't strong enough. Instead of training and gaining strength though they do not put effort in it and they think their position can't be improved. Quoting a clan leader, 

"the mentality of english players is just totally wrong

they don't want to train hard, but they do want to win, and if they can't win, then why play and train with clan?

just a bunch of freelancers without any goal nor motivation"

It is clear to everyone that as for now none of the english clans can get to the very first places in the game rankings. But why letting things drop like this? Russians certainly are advantaged by the fact that they have better ping, speak a single language, possibly know each other in real life, etc, but we shouldn't lose the hope for the future. In the past we put special paints as reward to the top english teams that classified in russian tournaments, undepending their position in the tournament. With starladder now we won't do that, but if the situation doesn't change we'll take other measures of course. I am open for discussion, but I am sure you can do that without comments about developers' pay. 

Player SlLVER has been warned. Reason: Violation of Forum rules. Improper criticism of the game and its representatives, ••>> Rules 

 

PS: Clans willing to improve their situations in leagues should have applied for the Amateur Series. The registration closes today.

I don't think it is fair for warning the player Silver. He was voicing an opinion and I'm pretty sure its totally fine to have an opinion even though it is criticism. Humans are not perfect and they are mistakes made with all levels of developers and moderation and I'm glad that someone was brave enough to voice there opinion and try to explain to the whole community what is wrong. 

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

Good news. I managed to get a translator and this cooperation will allow us to translate CS guides from the russian forum, I was told they are really detailed and helpful for newcomers and even for experienced clans. We'll see. The first topics should appear next week, stay tuned. 

Bird's eye views of the maps are included too.

Well this is good news. I am so glad that we will be getting access to the same training materials as the Russians. It is still very sad that we had to go looking for these things on our own. The English forum Mods should have been informed of these things a long time ago, and been provided the information to redistribute to our community. I dream of a day when we get treated as fairly as the Russian community. To bad it is just a dream.

[canadarules 1,938]

it is called showing we are boss mate

[FaaiqBilal1 795]

Well this is good news. I am so glad that we will be getting access to the same training materials as the Russians. It is still very sad that we had to go looking for these things on our own. The English forum Mods should have been informed of these things a long time ago, and been provided the information to redistribute to our community. I dream of a day when we get treated as fairly as the Russian community. To bad it is just a dream.

Both of us get treated similarly, if there are sales for russians, so are they for us, free crystals for them, free for us. The only difference that came was in the cybersport, they had greater rewards but now they are same even for us.

[The_PlayMaker 657]

Why my clan gets denided for every ranking cup?

Well the fault is of the clans as yesterday there were 2 ranking cups in StarLadder n guess what there were only 2 EN Community Clans, one was TQ n another was mine though TQ got knocked out in the first stage and we got knocked out in Top 16 but still we got to know our mistakes n where we have to work on. It was a great experience and i would like to participate in upcoming ranking cups too :)

Edited July 2, 2014 by r_Damn_Slow0
quote moved to star ladder QnA topic

[swede1 1,726]

Well the fault is of the clans as yesterday there were 2 ranking cups in StarLadder n guess what there were only 2 EN Community Clans, one was TQ n another was mine though TQ got knocked out in the first stage and we got knocked out in Top 16 but still we got to know our mistakes n where we have to work on. It was a great experience and i would like to participate in upcoming ranking cups too :)

I didn't even know about it till last night.  :huh: on skype in leader chat review. 

Another reason to have a clan news chat in English forum :/

Edited July 2, 2014 by swede1

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

Both of us get treated similarly, if there are sales for russians, so are they for us, free crystals for them, free for us. The only difference that came was in the cybersport, they had greater rewards but now they are same even for us.

I'm not talking about sales and things. I'm talking about the fact that birds eye views of all the maps where put up on Russain forums by Staff members. Our community's staff did not even know about them. There is a lot to learn from the Russain forums and wiki. It just needs to be provided to the other communities. Google translates some of it, but not all. :(  Tanki is promoting them selves as an international game, but don't offer the same level of support to all communities.

[Buggati_The_Best 1,233]

L1 clans except TQ, L2 clans except few. That equals almost 40-50 players with full m3 garage

P.S.- I don't have time to read ur earlier post fully becoz i cudn't see anything which makes sense :)

Arab clans have a shocking requirement :mellow:

You need to have full m3 garage and besides that lots of druggs :o  

[r_Damn_Slow0 12,476]

I'm talking about the fact that birds eye views of all the maps where put up on Russain forums by Staff members. Our community's staff did not even know about them. There is a lot to learn from the Russain forums and wiki. 

Actually, no.  We've known about that, and I'm not even speaking for the staff here, I'm speaking on behalf of all the top clan leaders I knew when I was a clan leader too and somehow we've always known about those, and even more.  Leading a clan a year ago and before that was different to today in a sense that we all knew the EN forum back then was very content poor while the Russian forum was rich.  We'd all know the player made sites with extensive map reviews and analysis as well as many other things.  Those were even a few times talked about in live stream commentaries by cybersports staff and their guest, and most importantly their was the "mouth-to-ear" effect and the resourceful people always knew where to look and where not to, least to say they actually bothered to look around for stuff, which I tend to see less and less somehow, sadly.

 

However, all that said, I am not in any case defending the lack of material on our forum nor the poor communication that exists when it comes to cybersports.  Specially the latter.  And as for the last line about promoting itself as an international game I completely agree with you, sadly.

Edited July 2, 2014 by r_Damn_Slow0

[Buggati_The_Best 1,233]

When is Lucky 7? :huh:

[SonofDeath 512]

Incentive. That is all that is required. Paints are not enough incentive, nor are crystals

Add incentive and all these problems will fix themselves