Is English community's Cybersport falling?

[joostcool 5,942]

 

 

 

Yes.. This is not true.. But what happend in Dream Team 7? And why there was no paints prize for first second and third places like in previous Dream Team? Okay, it was for english only, so why not for first only?

 

Russians had Acid in prizes of EVERY Захват карты, every TOF solo and every tandem. Since Im playing tanki, I've seen only ONE TOF solo in english community, but that was with russians too.

 

What happend after Dream Team 7?

 

Developers didn't even let DT7 winners to qualify for Star, because they admit that what SlLVER is saying, is totally true..?

 

No. DT7 was made for teams back then. Teams were NOT on the level of clans now, so will NOT deserve to play in StarSeries of course. There was the small amount of clans, which were pretty good, and there were the teams which were on their way to become a serious clan. Serious teams became clans. On a certain moment CyberSport 2.0 came, and all teams became clans. Dream Team winners were not on the correct level.

 

Let me tell you a secret. I led the team section before CyberSport 2.0 came. Nick and I wanted to create a tournament for them before they would become clans. We needed a name, and did not find one. That's how we got to Dream Team. The official Dream Team was with all communities. Wonder why? Because the best of the best deserves them. The best of the of best of the English Community could fight for Lucky 7. 

 

What you need to realize is that paints are for the best of the best. You don't want noobs to drive around with Acid, because it would lose its value. Reason why English Community did not participate in Conquer The Map? They were not able to beat the Russians. 

[Materialist 456]

Maybe some were. There is always exceptions. You can't know without giving chance, but actually I dont care about Conquer The map. Let it be.

 

I know that paints is for best of best only very very good.

 

If paints is only for best of best clans, for what AK got gladiator (Dream team) when they werent best? They only were best TEAM ONLY from english community, weren't they?

 

After that giving Acid to CC's play-off clans. I dont really understand more one thing, why they get paints for being in play-off? It dosen't shows that they are best of best, it even don't always shows that they are better. Lemme explain. it's about lucky. If you get into group between noobs, you beat them, you get to play-off. If you get between those 'best of best' clans, you don't get into play-off and you get nothing. 

 

We can always search for exemples in history. It was just a single fail. Im not mad that they received it, Im just giving exemple.

 

Russian ALL league 3 got chance to participate in QT (After DT7) while english even best l3 clan didn't, and you think that even best english league 3 clan couldn't beat any of them?

 

Your secret is worthless.

 

There was only two L7 tournaments and how many times Conquer The Map..?

 

I would like to close this. :)

Edited July 18, 2014 by Materialist

[canadarules 1,938]

I always see you trying to defend the English clans and claiming they would be first if not ... (irrelevant excuses that have absolutely nothing to do with skill). There's a very very very small amount of ENGLISH players that play on a high level individually and in a team (Not over 10 for sure). Now take into account that that small amount of players are in different clans or not in any at all. Now there's the coordination factor - There is probably no one in the English community that knows how to lead and coordinate a team (basically being a captian), possibly 1 or 2. In addition to that, as I already said, a very small amount of players can actually coordinate normally in a call and say helpful information. Anyhow, in general, I will go as far as to say that there will never be in an English clan in the top 4 (probably not even top 8), no way.

um maybe if you looked at some of the clans and their timezones you would notice

[wild001 786]

I have been leading a clan for more than 1 year,

 

biggest issue is timezone, English player spread all over the world, especially USA and Europe zone has so much difference,

 

while russian player all centralize in 1 area,

 

for training, it is impossible for english clan to train and fight in 1 fixed time, 

 

and war time is always evening for russian, but day time / work time for other regions, so that is a physical problem you can't solve,

 

unless we see more centralized clan, like German clans or other country based Europe clans, they are far more effective for leading.

 

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if you see from the Dream Tournament , most clans quit half way, or not able to make even 6 member show up.

 

time and commitment are big issue, most players take it as a good flash game, not a sports,

 

lots of members asking for war every day, but the war comes, they disappear or no show up.

Edited July 16, 2014 by wild001

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

I keep seeing excuses about time zones. If you are leaders, then act like leaders. Don't except people from other time zones unless they can commit to playing around the clans schedule. If they can't follow the requirements of your clan then they need to be removed. I see lots of clans that are built from just anyone who wants to join. If you want to be successful you need to BUILD a clan to fit well together. A smaller number of dedicated players is better then 100 uncommitted ones. Well now the max number is 12 anyway, and only 6 can play during a tournament, so pick the best 6 - 12 that will work well together and forget the rest.

[fahim_the_boss 1,519]

Reason why its failing? : developers are caring about russians. , they have x3 bonus. And every fun thing. Not in english. That's y english cannot beat russian. Such a noob. They only caring about russian not english. That's y english lost and russian win.

[joostcool 5,942]

*Your text*

All of your examples are together with Russians. In this situation, they proved to be the best of our community. They also got a clan license, so they were better than all of our teams. 

 

Face it, that is competition and cannot be stopped. If you're lucky you're in an easy group, if you're unlucky you're not.

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

What happened? Did we all give up on this conversation?  Just when it was starting to get good. If we want to save CS in our community, we need to keep up the discussion. Nothing will happen if we just give up.

[Materialist 456]

What happened? Did we all give up on this conversation?  Just when it was starting to get good. If we want to save CS in our community, we need to keep up the discussion. Nothing will happen if we just give up.

Worthless, talks won't resue it. I geuss you should go to tanki and start playing XP, not keep discussing.

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

Worthless, talks won't resue it. I geuss you should go to tanki and start playing XP, not keep discussing.

If you are referring to the inability of the EN Clans to compete successfully against the RU Clans, then yes I agree with you, discussion will not save us. Only training and practice will do that. However I was referring to the rumored closing of the CS section and the removal of the Clans pages all together. This, we can only save with discussion, to show we care about what they have planned. If we sit back and say nothing they will assume we don't care if they close down CS and Clans. 

 

I have looked at Starr Ladder and I think the concept is OK. It does have some good things to offer but it also needs some improvements. What I am suggesting is that both Starr Ladder and Clan pages in our forum need to exist side by side. I can't really see 1 surviving without the other.

[hhgb 2,655]

How would the English community stack up against the German community? 

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

I think I read somewhere that they have even less top clans then we do. I may be completely wrong, and if I am correct me.

[hhgb 2,655]

I think I read somewhere that they have even less top clans then we do. I may be completely wrong, and if I am correct me.

It is a smaller community, they should have less.

[flae88 948]

Germans have less clans, but their clans have better players. Our best players are scattered across numerous numbers of clans, theirs are in 2, 3 maybe 4 at most. Their top leagues could probably beat ours.

[Therider 2,034]

How would the English community stack up against the German community? 

germans dont know how to XP they cant play XP to save their lives!

[GoldRock 6,165]

Germans have less clans, but their clans have better players. Our best players are scattered across numerous numbers of clans, theirs are in 2, 3 maybe 4 at most. Their top leagues could probably beat ours.

^This. There are some pretty strong up-and-coming clans over there, and they don't suffer from having a flooded League 4.

[T-H-E_S-P-Y 94]

um maybe if you looked at some of the clans and their timezones you would notice

And again instead of answering my relevant points you go back to the time zones. Your time zone doesn't make you pro. If you couldn't play in tournaments and win them only because of your time zone and not because of your skill people would see that, trust me. I bet you all the money I have no one from your clan can beat any player in a duel (that has nothing to do with time zone) from top 12 clans. You need to start making valid arguments and explaining why you're correct (time zones isn't a valid argument because it has nothing to do with skill, meaning you can play at different times it won't change anything). Typing out of your rear (excuse me for the expression, it's for the sake of the argument) won't do you and your arguments any good.

Edited July 19, 2014 by T-H-E_S-P-Y

[r_Damn_Slow0 12,476]

Thank you all for your input.  The administration has made a dedicated topic for the matter and there might hope for clans to see some improvements coming up on the horizon.

 

In order to not have good ideas scattered around in different topics we'll lock this one and you can all contribute your ideas there.

 

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