Is English community's Cybersport falling?

[GoldRock 6,165]

 

it is not fair due to default times

+1 to joost, I've already had this discussion with canada on numerous occasions previously, lol. And what @Canadian_Eh has been saying here is well-reasoned. In any case, a clan who cannot turn up to a default time is not likely going to be a clan which is going to win. If we had half of our clans in the top 16, then I'm sure default times would reflect the non-Russian timezones more - but until then, we need to stop finding excuses for our incompetency compared to the Russians, and crack on with improving ourselves.

Edited July 12, 2014 by GoldRock

[Materialist 456]

That's not what really matters, what matters is the fact that english players are yet incapable for competing with the Russian clans. Perhaps a step that could have been taken to improve the situation would be to lower down the dependency of 'XP'. There are many players out there who do not use 'XP' but play MUCH better with other combos. Now the Star Ladder tournaments are dependent completely on XP combos. Why would we waste crystals or irl money on the game if we knew that only one combo would be used in the end. Creating more sets of combos that would be allowed in clan wars would improve this. For this, they must level the tanks/guns. The reason heavy hulls can't be used in the tournaments is because they are too over powered. Lowering down their strength and making them capable of competing  with other combos without over powering them will require huge amount of attention. I believe that there are many other players in the game who do not know about the forum and resulting, they do not know about clans. Promotion of the forum, and specially, the cyber sport section would be a huge step to the improvement

of the collapsing cybersport. Finding more clans in the second and third leagues which really deserve being in the top league would be required.

Without these steps, English cybersport community will eventually decline.

XP is only one combo to learn something. You need to have skill to play with it. For exemple, in 1 on 1,you could get not big difference if you would meet rookie in tanki with twins m3 and mammoth m3, but, you could beat him 10:0 with XP against XP, couldn't you?  :)

 

For variety, they have added smoky, which dosen't requests much skills as well. I think it is enought, or cybersport may be ruined.

 

I have a lot of friends who plays XP only and has good garages without buying crystals.  

Edited July 14, 2014 by Materialist

[Buggati_The_Best 1,233]

Well said,hope TTB will crush the competition in Starladder kostaskkk3 ;)  

[r_goldboxsee0 111]

XP is only one combo to learn something. You need to have skill to play with it. For exemple, in 1 on 1,you could get not big difference if you would meet rookie in tanki with twins m3 and mammoth m3, but, you could beat him 10:0 with XP against XP, couldn't you?  :)

 

For variety, they have added smoky, which dosen't requests must skills as well. I think it is enought, or cybersport may be ruined.

 

I have a lot of friends who plays XP only and has good garages without buying crystals.  

Correct .The XP combo is my favourite combo:).In this mode you learn something new then other battles.This mode is different.

[canadarules 1,938]

+1 to joost, I've already had this discussion with canada on numerous occasions previously, lol. And what @Canadian_Eh has been saying here is well-reasoned. In any case, a clan who cannot turn up to a default time is not likely going to be a clan which is going to win. If we had half of our clans in the top 16, then I'm sure default times would reflect the non-Russian timezones more - but until then, we need to stop finding excuses for our incompetency compared to the Russians, and crack on with improving ourselves.

Explain how the true strongest clan can be decided when not all clans can go -.-

[hhgb 2,655]

2.1.9. Discrimination of inexperienced players (newbies): misinformation, intimidation, mockery;

 

I don't think I ever saw a moderator enforcing this rule, especially towards the younger clans.

Edited July 14, 2014 by hhgb

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

Explain how the true strongest clan can be decided when not all clans can go -.-

You do bring up a good point. But, like most sports, it makes more sense to have "seasons" held in each community and then the best of each community go on to the "playoffs". This way only a few clans need to worry about time zones, and it would only be a few times as well. Championship games only need to be a few games to decide "who is best".

It is too bad all of our ideas will not even be read by the Russian administration of Star Ladder, let alone be considered. Our English community cybersport mods and admins simply do not have the power to make any changes. Those decisions are made in Russia.

As I mentioned before, I believe the only way they will take notice is to band together. If we turn a bunch of small voices into one big roar, maybe they will hear it. Maybe we can get some one to go the Russian forums and inform them of our pleas for something to be done. We good post and PM over there, seeing as how they rarely come over here.  I would but I can't speak Russian. What does the Cybersport staff think, are we wasting our time?

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

Actually I did think of a few more things. Who is the highest level Admin in the English Community? Maybe we need  to PM him/her. Or someone invite him/her to join in this conversation. This would be a rare thing to have a staff member with the power to actually make a difference involved in a conversation. No disrespect to the mods. It is no secret that you have been given only enough power keep order in the forums and games. A dirty job put someone has to do it, so thank-you.

I am going to PM my friends the link to this conversation. Lets get the word out about our issues.

 

And why is this in the off topic section? How much more on topic can it be? I think it should be moved to the CyberSport section.

Edited July 13, 2014 by Canadian_Eh

[swede1 1,726]

Actually I did think of a few more things. Who is the highest level Admin in the English Community? Maybe we need  to PM him/her. Or someone invite him/her to join in this conversation. This would be a rare thing to have a staff member with the power to actually make a difference involved in a conversation. No disrespect to the mods. It is no secret that you have been given only enough power keep order in the forums and games. A dirty job put someone has to do it, so thank-you.

I am going to PM my friends the link to this conversation. Lets get the word out about our issues.

 

And why is this in the off topic section? How much more on topic can it be? I think it should be moved to the CyberSport section.

There is already an Official CyberSport Topic http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=210880&do=findComment&comment=3744605 , created by Our highest authority in CS  @SuperNick95.

The truth is, the forums EN, RU, and DE moderators and administrators have little, to no input into Tanki administration and development, I believe the Forum mods and administrator are only here to maintain the forum, post news, and contests.

The Tankionline administration, marketing, and developers, read the forums quite often to get input and get a feel of the communities happiness, concerns and suggestions from the players posts.

(Yes it would be nice for them to get involved personally in our forum more than the press releases  issued by our forum administrators, but they are very busy people, they cannot spend hrs chatting with forum members)

They have listened quite intently to all the players comments and concerns over the years , and continue to improve the game, from the early days of Hacker heaven to creating a unified tournament system, giving players access to create their own tournaments and giving rewards for successful ones, to game development of maps, turrets, hulls etc. increasing funds, lowering costs for crystals, many discounts, and many,many rewards and prizes for contests and participation in Social media events. 

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

There is already an Official CyberSport Topic http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=210880&do=findComment&comment=3744605 , created by Our highest authority in CS  @SuperNick95.

The truth is, the forums EN, RU, and DE moderators and administrators have little, to no input into Tanki administration and development, I believe the Forum mods and administrator are only here to maintain the forum, post news, and contests.

The Tankionline administration, marketing, and developers, read the forums quite often to get input and get a feel of the communities happiness, concerns and suggestions from the players posts.

(Yes it would be nice for them to get involved personally in our forum more than the press releases  issued by our forum administrators, but they are very busy people, they cannot spend hrs chatting with forum members)

They have listened quite intently to all the players comments and concerns over the years , and continue to improve the game, from the early days of Hacker heaven to creating a unified tournament system, giving players access to create their own tournaments and giving rewards for successful ones, to game development of maps, turrets, hulls etc. increasing funds, lowering costs for crystals, many discounts, and many,many rewards and prizes for contests and participation in Social media events. 

Yeah Thanks @swede1. I found that after I posted this. How do we know they are reading these posts if they do not participate in them? If the Tanki Admin is too busy, maybe they could assign a representative to speak on their behalf with more then just press releases. This person could actually answer questions posed to the Admin, instead of giving the impression that they separating them selves from us. If I'm taking the time to ask, someone can take the time to answer.

[swede1 1,726]

Yeah Thanks @swede1. I found that after I posted this. How do we know they are reading these posts if they do not participate in them? If the Tanki Admin is too busy, maybe they could assign a representative to speak on their behalf with more then just press releases. This person could actually answer questions posed to the Admin, instead of giving the impression that they separating them selves from us. If I'm taking the time to ask, someone can take the time to answer.

They are not too busy, but there are literally thousands of posts every day in the forums, to answer everyone's posts individually would take an army of staff to answer. and many times the answers are not available, but I see developers and administration  viewing topics on a daily basis in the effort to aid them in making improvements and resolve issues.

I also have seen changes in the game and forum over the last two years reflecting all the concerns players have had, with huge improvements to the game and forums in almost every area that concerned players over this time period.

I find many players don't see many of the developers comments, most players never read the Developers news, or read the main game launch page or links.

There are also links to wiki, StarLadder, twitter, facebook, google+, VK, instgam, and YouTube with tons of content. 

 

There is always room for improvement.

I have found that many of the answers are out there for the Tanki Community, finding it is the challenge ;)

[Therider 2,034]

Yesterday the clan i am in played a league 2 English clan "the slayers" in a training we were just trying different players from SL in maps and we won 2-1 on rounds

later we played in SL against a Russian league 2 clan and they hammered us this just puts it all in 1 sentence.. en tactics cant compare and contrast to Russians and they are always better equipped/trained and just OVERALL better. and if any EN clan will take the challenge of beating it, it will be a long wait.

[I.D0M 601]

 

 

Yesterday the clan i am in played a league 2 English clan "the slayers" in a training we were just trying different players from SL in maps and we won 2-1 on rounds

later we played in SL against a Russian league 2 clan and they hammered us this just puts it all in 1 sentence.. en tactics cant compare and contrast to Russians and they are always better equipped/trained and just OVERALL better. and if any EN clan will take the challenge of beating it, it will be a long wait.

TS should be in L4,not l2 from the way I saw them. Russian L2 clans are worth something, they deserve their title and actually represent a correct league system, what we don't see in the English community forum. (TTB L3, TS L2, think about it)

[dragonssk1 334]

So are you saying you can compete against Russian clans if the time was "fair"?

You really need to understand that the Russian Administration doesn't care if the English community clans compete or not. They are not going to reschedule for the sake of a few clans.

 

 

 

In my opinion we need to go back to the old system. Where the clans of each community compete against each other, within their own community. If they want to hold a championship from the winners of each community then that would make more sense.

Thank you! I am also from Canada!

[hhgb 2,655]

When I was co-leading TBM (The Blood Matrix) before our war, I tried to take the team to the map and work up a plan, 2 people showed up, and in the end, none listened.

Edited July 14, 2014 by hhgb

[I.D0M 601]

When I was co-leading TBM (The Blood Matrix) before our war, I tried to take the team to the map and work up a plan, 2 people showed up, and in the end, none listened.

If you have to make players come into the battle, it's not a clan.

[hhgb 2,655]

If you have to make players come into the battle, it's not a clan.

This was before the friend system. they were active in the chat room, and all made up excuses.

[SlLVER 12]

TS should be in L4,not l2 from the way I saw them. Russian L2 clans are worth something, they deserve their title and actually represent a correct league system, what we don't see in the English community forum. (TTB L3, TS L2, think about it)

yes TTB should be league 4 ok

[I.D0M 601]

yes TTB should be league 4 ok

I have played against them and L2 Russians, they aren't that far apart. Best English clan right now in my opinion.

[I.D0M 601]

This was before the friend system. they were active in the chat room, and all made up excuses.

The friend system or the chat is not a way to run a clan either...

[T-H-E_S-P-Y 94]

The red i have highlighted is what i like to call 'Is this a joke?'

The yellow is 'What the'

The green is okay

 

First of all i would like to start with the red- is this a joke....look at all the tournaments that have been played before this. What do they all have in common...oh ya a default time that favors the Russians every single time. Now that there is not default time you will clearly be able to see the English community excel...oh wait i am wrong because when they get to the star series it favors the Russians once again.....seriously the only thing holding our clans back is these dumb default times. you don't see any of the player made tournaments doing that because they are all set up for people to succeed and thats what players do....

 

secondly now the yellow- What the how are the Russians advantaged? They play the same game as us unless something is fixed.....also with regards to the amateur series it said no default time for games if i am correct? meaning this will show the English communities try talents

 

Now for the green- This is mainly the positive part which ik you are right about. English community will win champion in sometime..also what kind of discussion?

 

So in all, take away default times and the Russians can't hide behind anything else, thats when the true fun begins

I always see you trying to defend the English clans and claiming they would be first if not ... (irrelevant excuses that have absolutely nothing to do with skill). There's a very very very small amount of ENGLISH players that play on a high level individually and in a team (Not over 10 for sure). Now take into account that that small amount of players are in different clans or not in any at all. Now there's the coordination factor - There is probably no one in the English community that knows how to lead and coordinate a team (basically being a captian), possibly 1 or 2. In addition to that, as I already said, a very small amount of players can actually coordinate normally in a call and say helpful information. Anyhow, in general, I will go as far as to say that there will never be in an English clan in the top 4 (probably not even top 8), no way.

Edited July 15, 2014 by T-H-E_S-P-Y

[MeCTb_3a_CHAMPI0N 85]

^100% correct shiz ok

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

Star Ladder will destroy EN clans anyway. They are already forcing tanki to close all Clans pages on these forums.  

[mido23a 18]

Star Ladder will destroy EN clans anyway. They are already forcing tanki to close all Clans pages on these forums.

 

Lol, English clans were already destroyed before Star Ladder. We will have no place between the russians , unless we stop making irrelevent excuses for our lack of skill and dedication, and then we can start learning from them not hate on them. Edited July 15, 2014 by mido23a

[Materialist 456]

But there is a reason for Russians' professionalism, and you yourself know what is it, if you don't, then I'll tell you.

 

Many grand tournaments were held in the Russian community, the prizes were paints, here we only had crystals as a prize, if we had paints as a prize, we would absolutely work harder and train more to get them. 

 

This is not true, I don't know whether you are new to cybersports o know very little about our history, because we've had a few paints as prizes for english only tournaments.

Yes.. This is not true.. But what happend in Dream Team 7? And why there was no paints prize for first second and third places like in previous Dream Team? Okay, it was for english only, so why not for first only?

 

Russians had Acid in prizes of EVERY Захват карты, every TOF solo and every tandem. Since Im playing tanki, I've seen only ONE TOF solo in english community, but that was with russians too.

 

What happend after Dream Team 7?

 

Developers didn't even let DT7 winners to qualify for Star, because they admit that what SlLVER is saying, is totally true..?

Edited July 15, 2014 by Materialist