New campaign against Mults and Saboteurs.

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

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 New content added 06/20/2015
 
EDITED 10/18/2015: You can continue reading this topic if you choose, but understand this, nothing will ever change, it will only get worse. Tanki has had more then enough time to solve some of these issues and have done nothing about it. I wrote this during a time when I believed that players could make a difference in this game. I, along with many others have come to realize that Tanki really doesn't value our opinion. 

 

You are now faced with 4 options:

• learn to be one of the dishonest players this campaign talks about and cheat to win
• become a buyer and a mindless drugger
• learn to accept this game for what it is and deal with it
• just leave all together <<<  I personally may chose this option

***Crystal Grabbers no longer exist since the removal of crystal boxes, so text in this color does not apply anymore, however I'm leaving it as a reminder.
 

 

 

What can WE, as players, do to help?

 

Like many of you, I'm tired of mults, saboteurs,cheaters, and crystal grabbers ruining our games. 

It is time to fight back and send a message that we will not tolerate this anymore.

 

 

 

First off, to the mods:

• Feel free to join in the conversation, in fact I encourage you too. We look forward to your input. After all this affects all of us. Many people look to the staff of Tanki Online for guidance and direction, much the way a student looks to a teacher or an employee looks to their boss.

To posters:

• Please don't post useless things here. If you don't have anything constructive to say, don't say anything at all
• If you disagree with some of my points, that's fine, feel free to say what you want, just keep it constructive and civil.
• I will ask a mod to delete anything I think is useless to the conversation. 

Terms used in this topic (for those who do not know already) :

• MULT:  a player put into a game for the purpose taking up space on the opposite team. In most cases they are inactive but moved from time to time to prevent being auto kicked.
• SABOTEUR:  a player who joins just to sabotage a game. Sometimes for their own fun, sometimes to help the opposite team win. They block you on purpose, push off teammates, hold flags so they can't be captured and etc. etc.
• CHEATERS / HACKERS: these players will use all kinds of tricks. They use hacks, glitches, and 3rd party software to gain an unfair advantage.
• CRYSTAL GRABBER or HARVESTER: a player who joins games for no other reason then to grab crystal boxes. They have no interest in helping their team mates. They try to justify it by not killing anyone. I've even seen them say "please no kill". They take up space that could be used by a good player willing to help their team.
• SUPPLY HOARDERS: a player that needlessly grabs all the supplies. Sometimes they will even block or push you to prevent you from getting supplies. If you do not need the supply don't pick it up, unless your are trying to stop the enemy from getting it. Just think before you take it, a team mate may need it. Remember, you don't get any points or XP from picking up supplies.
• GOLD BOX HUNTERS: are players that spend their time going from battle to battle just hunting for gold boxes. Rarely do they ever help the teams they join and usually leave right after the gold drops. I personally disagree with this behavior but Tanki encourages it with "Gold Box Hunter of the Week". So you decide how you feel for yourself.
• RAIDERS:  are a very organized group of players that move from battle to battle looking for high battlefunds to raid. If you don't pay attention they slowly stack the teams. They take turns sharing the battle funds. The mults of the losing side become the winners in the the next raid and vice-versa. Have you ever been in a battle where you think "this is easy, we got this" only to have the battle completely reverse and suddenly those "easy players" find those missing skills and supplies and your side falls asleep? Or so it seems. You sit there scratching your head "Why did they give up? Why aren't they drugging?"  Well you just got raided. Now raiding is not technically against the rules, however it is not very nice either.
• STACKING OF TEAMS: (ADDED June 2015)This is something new that dishonest players have started to do.(Started to see it in spring of 2015) Here is an example. They will place 5 players on each team, leaving 5 spots for random players to join on both teams. They then wait to see which team starts to do better and then the 5 players on that team start to sabotage and mult. So in effect they are raiding battle funds from the random players. They will most often take turns being on the winning teams. They will only kill the random players until they decide which team will win and then sometimes start killing friends on that losing team to make sure the 5 friends on the winning side finish at the top of their teams side.Very often they are using some sort of external form of communication like Skype or Teamspeak3. I have also seen some groups that admitted they are all sharing accounts that belong to the group. So it may not always be the same player behind the controls. This way if an account gets banned it doesn't matter because they will just use another account from the collection. The goal seems to be to build all the accounts up equally so it really doesn't matter which accounts the members use.
• /VOTE  is a command you can use in the battle chat. It is designed to call a moderator to a battle that has a mult, saboteur, cheater or hacker. Here is an example ( /vote Canadian_Eh ) If your not sure of the exact spelling of a player push Tab > click on the name > click "copy name" > and paste it after "/vote" in the battle chat. You can vote anyone regardless which side they are on. You should see some light green text stating that your complaint was sent successfully.  After that I usually put ( "/vote player's name" sent )

LINKS to important information related to this topic:

• The Rules of Tanki Online
• The Violators Section Once there you will find all the information you need to proceed with reporting someone.
• Instruction on how to take screenshots.
• Instruction on how to upload a screenshot to an image hosting site.
• Instruction on how to post a screenshot in the forum.
• Instruction on how to record a VIDEO.
• Instruction on how to upload a video to YouTube.
• Instruction on how to post your YouTube video in the forum.

Some of the instructions links above are only a starting point. You may be able to find better or more suitable options using Google.
 

 

 

Did you know you can get a ban for not killing mults and saboteurs that are helping your team?

 

Below is the result of a reported battle that had a red team player preventing his own team from grabbing the blue flag.(Mammoth with twins) There were 3 other blue players helping him, but not killing him.  All 4 of these players got banned.

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Player XXXXXXXXXXX has been banned for a day. Reason: Deliberate inaction, helping the opposing team, playing poorly and against your own team, conspiracy with the players of the opposing team (sabotage)

 
 
Here is our plan.

• We must remember not to break the rules ourselves to accomplish this. Please read the rules and remain within these boundaries at all times.
• This will not be easy, but with time and commitment it will make a difference.
• It will require people to discourage this kind of behavior. Tell them if they are breaking the rules. They may be unaware. Also tell them that what they are doing may be fun to them but not others, and that they are ruining your game play.
• Always use the /vote command even if you feel it isn't very effective. Tell everyone to do it, on both teams. If enough players use it the chances a moderators will come increase. 1 /vote is not enough. 
• It may require help from both teams in a battle. Don't be afraid to ask for help getting rid of a mult and be willing to do the same, if asked. I know mults on the other team help you but it doesn't help this campaign or the game.
• It will, at times, require you to sacrifice your game and score to prevent this kind of behavior. Just be careful you do not become a mult yourself. 
• Tell all your friends and anyone else you can about this campaign. Get them involved with helping.
• If your team places a mult on the opposite team make it your job to force then out. Keep killing that mult until they leave. Tell everyone about it and ask for help. Tell your team to remove them or you will report them.
• If the other team puts a mult on your team. Tell everyone about it and ask if someone on the other team can help get them out by killing them repeatedly until they leave. Again tell them to remove the mult or you will report them.
• Take video if you can and report them. Tell them what you are doing. 
• If the other team allows a saboteur/mult to remain, and won't do anything about it, leave the battle, and encourage your whole team to leave. They will get tired of not having anyone to play with. Remember to collect evidence and report them.
• Raiders are another problem. If you find yourself in this situation just leave the battle. Don't stick around to feed their "raided battle fund". Leave them to fight among themselves.
• Stay out of battles that will build huge battle funds, have really long timers, or already too lopsided to win. These are the traps.
• It is better to win 100-200 crystal every 15 minutes then maybe 2000 in a several hour game. And if you end up having to leave, it is no big loss.
• Think about those supplies. Will picking up, when I don't really need it, help my team by preventing the enemy from getting it? Do one of my team mates need it? Do I need that speed up for defense or does the guy running flags need it?
• Kill crystal grabbers repeatedly. Don't let them just grab crystals without helping the team they joined. Why should they get paid for our kills and hard work? If they are on the same team as you prevent them by pushing them away and grabbing the crystals from them. Make it as hard for them as you can. Ask the other team to keep killing them. Let people know that if they want to pick up crystals they will need to earn them. Same goes for gold boxes.

CAUTION: Don't become so obsessed with a player that set out to ruin the game that you yourself become a saboteur or mult. Remember your duty is to the team you joined. 
 
I know lots of you will say this is a waste of time, but if we do nothing they win and nothing will ever change. With time and as our numbers grow, we may be able to make a difference.  I personally feel satisfied every time I rid this game of one more of these people. 
 
 

Protect your Account

• Link your account to an e-mail. It makes it much harder for someone to hack and alter your passwords.
• NEVER, EVER give your password to anyone. When someone offers you free crystals or offers to trade you accounts, it is a scam. They will ask for your password so they can steal your account. They will use your stolen account to test hacks and cheats, use it as a mult, use it to sabotage others, or probably all of the above. Also remember Tanki never offers to give free crystals to anyone. I know someone who almost fell for a scam of free crystals for testing a new chat room for Tanki. It was a fake site that simply was harvesting login information. This harvesting of information may be for other more serious reasons. If you use the same login name and password on other sites, they now have access to that as well. 
   

Join the Group ,

we are 

"Making a Difference One Report at a Time" 

Feel free to use this quote anywhere you like

 

• Feel free to give any more ideas of how we can fight them.
• Tell me you are in support of this campaign and I will add your name to the list of supporters.  ( "I support this campaign" )
• If you are a clan leader and want your clan to be in support of this, I will add your clans name to a list as well.
• And remember to "Follow this topic" (button is located in the upper right, above this post) and "vote this post up" (the green up arrow located in the lower right corner of this post. Just above the "Quote" button)

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"RELATED TOPICS"

 

 Please go and offer your support for these as well.

Thank-you

 

 

EZ Slash Vote

 

Here is the link to my topic about /vote and an alternative to it. 

 

 

 

 

 

It is proposed idea for an updated and revised "Team Kick System" >>>"Player's Moderation: KICK 2.0"  

It was started by @AbsoluteZero and I have been assisting him with the development of this idea.

This idea was featured in Issue 29 of the Tanki newspaper.  ---> "LINK"

 

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• A discussion of various ideas on how to combat this problem.  >>> "Let's Discuss Mults and Saboteurs !"  It was started by @swede1.
• A proposed idea about a deterent system. >>> "Combat Rule-Breakers with Video Helpers" It was started by @AbsoluteZero

The above ideas will need to implemented by Tanki but they will still require our  help to work.

Edited October 19, 2015 by Canadian_Eh

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

This post will be updated regularly, so check back often.

 

Supporters

 

@Canadian_Eh 

@danilo8667

@Canadian_Bandit

@snipe3000

@A_L_E_X_A_N_D_E_R_R

@AbsoluteZero

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@Klankill804

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Supporting Clans

 

The Rusty Relics

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Clan Killers

Uprising Rivals

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Deadly Venom (DV)

 

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"Making a Difference one Report at a Time"

Edited July 7, 2015 by Canadian_Eh

[ThouShallNot 963]

for some reason there has never been any mults in my battles, and when they are, they leave after 5 minutes... lol, btw that seems super mean that you shot the guy so he couldnt get the gold box, if you did that to me i would rage and feel like breaking your computer.

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

for some reason there has never been any mults in my battles, and when they are, they leave after 5 minutes... lol, btw that seems super mean that you shot the guy so he couldnt get the gold box, if you did that to me i would rage and feel like breaking your computer.

 

EDITED: I should clarify what I have an issue with.

If you are lucky enough to join a battle and a gold box drops shortly after you join and you get it, great good for you, but stay and help your team. What I don't like is people that only come in, looking for gold boxes and then leaving. They are not much better them a mult or saboteur. They take up valuable space that could be used by a player that is not so selfish and willing to fight for his/her team.

Edited January 11, 2015 by Canadian_Eh

[DiSoRderLY 141]

Just remove crystal & gold boxes from the game and add them to the fund, many problems solved!

[erwinfighter 422]

Get kicksystem back !!

[erwinfighter 422]

Are you tired of sabotage, mults and crystaL grabbers in your battle ?
Then join this campaign for getting kicksystem back!!


Feel free to comment

Edited August 17, 2014 by Irontank1v
Topic Merged

[Meowmix56 174]

I agree with the problem but I do not share your optimism.  For this sort of plan to work you would have to get the majority of players on your side.  This may just be a low rank perspective but what percentage of players ever read the forums, let alone read them regularly?  A more ideal solution would be to have a change in game policy, making it harder for the same ip to join both sides of a match or having some sort of a kick system, but I guess if the devs wanted to address it they would by now.  If I had to guess instinctively I'd say the number of users retained by such an ip filter would outweigh the number recruited by "playing at a friends house"

 

Probably best if we start small, educating people on video capture software so they can better enforce the rights they already have.  I use xsplit, it is free, effective, and easy to use but I have no idea what else is out there.  With just a handful of people actively documenting this abuse we can make some sort of impact.

[danilo8667 234]

I support this campaign

[I.WalkAlone 548]

Actually, we need an improved way of reporting violators. Earlier, if someone used profane language, I'd take a screenshot, paste it in paint and in the end not report him due to how tedious the task was. Lightshot helps a lot in these cases. Even while encountering a hacker, the vote command rarely calls a spectator and taking a video, posting it first on YouTube and then on the forum is a boring and long job.

Yes, I support this campaign.

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

Edited: 1/11/2015
I agree that there are several ways Tanki could help to combat this problem. So far they have not come up with anything really good.  The whole idea of this topic is "What can we do to help?"

• DiSoRderLY >> Interesting idea. It would definitely stop crystal grabbing mults. Well we got half of what you suggested.  :)
• erwinfighter >> an improved kick system would be helpful. I'm pretty sure we all know where to find info about this idea.
• Meowmix56 >> the IP filter might solve one issue but create another for those who play at the same house, like other family members and friends. If it is possible to prevent the same computer from logging in more then once that would help some. However as more support for more devices gets added, the problem will get worse.
• AOFox >> a better reporting system is an excellent idea.  Something a little more user friendly.

Edited January 11, 2015 by Canadian_Eh

[Canadian_Bandit 81]

I support this campaign

;)  :D

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

Here is a link to a topic that is similar to this one.

"Let's Discuss Mults and Saboteurs !" It was started by @swede1.

At first glance it looks like the 2 should be merged, but there is a difference between the two.

• This one is about "What can we do?" as players.
  
• The topic @swede1 made, is about "What can Tanki do?"
  

Edit: This is now included in the top post.

 

 

Here is an example that just worked for me.

 

I was in a battle and 2 guys got into a fight. There was some nasty swearing and insulting going on. I said "I have taken a screen shot and will report you. You will get a ban. I am not going to put up with this behaviour" . They responded with "ok we will stop" and they did.

 

So it does work.

 

EDIT: It has worked a few times now, for me.

Edited October 10, 2014 by AMDTU

[TriNitroToIuene 4,765]

I support this campaign...

By the way, we can get Kick System Back... problem solved...

[falcosenna1 8,320]

They've removed the 'Kick System' for a reason...

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

Thanks for your comments. 

Edited January 11, 2015 by Canadian_Eh

[snipe3000 678]

ill support

[Meowmix56 174]

Another idea.  What if we selectively make and join shorter games?  Less time for battle fund to accumulate so there is less incentive for people to go through effort to try to steal it.  If someone multies or switches sides to sabotage people will notice and quit after that round without losing their investment.

Edited August 18, 2014 by Meowmix56

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

This is one way we could help but it needs implementing first

 

Ideas and Suggestions > Combat Rule-Breakers with Video Helpers

[Lt.Tank-Marshall 32]

Whoo yeah! FInally. I was at this silence yesterday, and this guy had our flag, and somehow got up to the shelf top. so, I just drug up, get my shaft, and do all I can to blow him off there.

 

But he fell off and beat me to it.     

[r_vms11110 42]

i support this campaign

[ThouShallNot 963]

The reason for shooting him was that he had not earned the right to take the gold box. If he had been in the battle from the beginning or even a shorter period of time and been helping his team, then that would have meant he had earned the chance to take the box.

 

EDIT: I should clarify what I have an issue with. If you are lucky enough to join a battle and a gold box drops shortly after you join and you get it, great good for you, but stay and help your team. What I don't like is people that only come in, looking for gold boxes and then leave. 

who said you have to earn the right to take a gold box!? XD omg man thats funny.

Edited August 18, 2014 by ThouShallNot

[canadarules 1,938]

Can i be on the...idc list?

[Pathfinder 1,690]

I'm in support! I guess although we are a very small minority of player, it has to start somewhere. Well done Canadian!

[pizzaslad 471]

The IP thing doesn't really solve the issue. A lot of mults/saboteurs are friends of someone in a team. So someone can invite their bud and does the dirty work.