New campaign against Mults and Saboteurs.

[D.A.R.K.N.E.S.S 432]

I support this campaign

[austlee 56]

I completely support this campaign. We need to get rid of mults and saboteurs.

Edited August 26, 2014 by austlee

[dgslima82 143]

First of all I'd like to say I support this idea's fundamentals, however there are a few things thas should be said.

 

@ Canadian_E

a few days ago I joined a battle against you on server 2, Stadium CTF 100 flags. As I joined a 2k gold box dropped and I caught it (having 30points at the time), your immediate response was flooding the chat that it was unfair, I should be reported and you hated players like me. It was clear at that point that it was only unfair because it wasn't you that caught it (you were destroyed literally 1sec before I swept in and catch it), and at the end of the day I finished the battle with 5000+ points and you finished it with little over 2000. If the kick system was in play I'd probabilly be voted out before I could do anything, as you started ranting about 2 secs after the gold box drop, not even giving me the chance of showing I was there to play. Moral of the story, take more than 2secs to evaluate a situation/player and don't start complaining every 10secs because he had better luck than you.

 

As for the /vote command it has been my experience that it's a waste of time, if a player is insulting via chat the mod will silence him, if he's multing/cheating nothing really happens, he will stay there the intire game doing so. Had such an experience yesterday, where a player (luckly or not) was always saying with 20secs advance when a gold box would drop (and guessed all 4 that did), and when they dropped he'd always find a way to appear on top of us and catch them (all 4). I used the /vote command over and over and nothing happened.

 

Also reporting is something I stopped doing and am not starting again, as 3 days ago there was someone in the chat trying to get players passwords, I engaged him in order to catch him saying explicitly that he wanted my password and report him (like I did dozens of times). My reward? A 24 hour ban for cheating... If this is what I get no thank you, let them steal the passwords of new and trusting players and I'll look after myself. Curious enough on the same chat there was a Generalissimo asking a Field Marechal if he could go to a battle and mult the other team, he said yes, and the mod, that clearly was watching, just ignored it.

 

This said, I clearly support the ban of cheaters / mults and saboteurs, but honestly I just don't care enough these days, as all it takes is a day with double battle fund to see them by the dozens. If a battle has one or more on it I just move out and find another one or go on PRO Battles, more than tha its just not worth the trouble.

[Bang-Bang-Bang-Bang 0]

This said, I clearly support the ban of cheaters / mults and saboteurs, but honestly I just don't care enough these days, as all it takes is a day with double battle fund to see them by the dozens. If a battle has one or more on it I just move out and find another one or go on PRO Battles, more than tha its just not worth the trouble.

 

Agreed.

It is so widespread at this point that I don't think Tanki really knows what to do with them.

I have seen many people put in time taking and uploading videos to catch mults and saboteurs and all they get is a short ban while your gems, time and effort are gone. No justice in that.

Newsflash - they are usually alt accounts, they don't care if they are banned for a few days.

Best advice is to avoid long battles, play many short battles rather than looking for one big pay out.

In my early stupid days, I would commit to battles, a lot of time and effort only to be swarmed by mults, heavy drug users and saboteurs near the end and robbed.

It has evolved over the years and nowadays there are co-ordinated thefts taking place. You ever wonder why near the end of a long battle, good players suddenly become crap or start leaving and replaced by mults, saboteurs disguised as crap players? Because from the start they were there purely for experience points while helping to build up a sizeable battle fund for their friends on opposing team, they take turns  in who gets to be on winning team.

These days it is 15 - 20 min battles max and I rarely get multed or swamped by druggers and if I do I have very little to lose by moving on and finding a new battle. No more aggrevation.

 

Multiple wins of 400 - 500 gems are safer then chasing the big 4,000 or 5,000 gem rewards.

Don't get me wrong, you will still see the special idiots using far more drugs then they can possibly win in gems but they are just fools, there is no malice in them and sometimes it is worth staying and see just how much drugs you can make them waste and if your lucky grab a gold box on them lol

 

It is a game and supposed to be fun, unfortunately a lot of people find fun in ruining other peoples enjoyment. The game is like life, there are those who have no problem in taking the easy route and screwing everybody else. All you can do is protect yourself the best you can and limit what you stand to lose and try and have some fun doing it.

[Bang-Bang-Bang-Bang 0]

@Beep_me Thank-you for your input. It sounds like you are doing what needs to be done. I applaud you.  I really wish people wouldn't focus so much on the gold box comments. This a minor or secondary issue compared to the others we are fighting. It seems the simplest thing would be for me to remove what I have said about "gold box hunters". However I have already said it and I will just have to deal with the negative feedback of this point. I still maintain that "gold box hunting" is disrespectful to the players that are fighting to trigger the drop in the first place. I'm not encouraging people to go on a hunt for them. It is up to the individual to decide if they agree with "gold box hunting" or not. Just to be clear even if you are killing "gold box hunters" it is not against the rules. 

LMAO

 

Why so many are disturbed by your hunting of gold box robbers I have no idea.

 

I get shot at all the time by opposition when gold box dropping and pushed by my own team.

When that gold box drops it is every man for themselves.

Only today I was in the middle of a scrum for the box, it was dropping on me but I was killed and the box landed right inside my dead tank.

All i will say is that if tanki had voice chat at that moment I would have been banned for life lol.

[TG159 734]

One idea, if many if us job together, maybe we can make this whe thing go REALer, we could make like anti-mult mods, they go from battle to battle looking for mults etc. and banning them, this would make It efficient. Also they need LOTS of these kinds of mods so they can ban as much as possible mults etc. and that battles are highlited where someone has Bin /voted. With ur permission Canadian_Ev, I can make a PM to semyon Kirov with me and you, and we can ask if he can make a mod like this. Players have created different types of MODs btw, so this is possible.

[Classic_eSports 479]

I support this campaign ;)

[Bang-Bang-Bang-Bang 0]

Gold hunter of the week this week was 112 , that is 16 gold boxes a day.

I play a lot and have never seen 16 gold alerts in a day so even assuming he caught every gold box that dropped while he was on that seems like a lot of drops.

Now if their game is anything like mine, gold alert goes off and everyone scrambles for it, so odds would say they couldn't have caught every box, even if they knew where it was going to be, which means they were getting more then 16 drops a day in their games??

 

Maybe in really high rank games they drop all the time but still that seems unbelievable, 16 a day.

In my opinion he had to be jumping from game to game gold box fishing but I could be wrong.

I just don't see how he or she could be contributing to anything with a gold box tally like that.

Edited August 26, 2014 by Bang-Bang-Bang-Bang

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

First of all I'd like to say I support this idea's fundamentals, however there are a few things thas should be said.

 

Snipped   You can read what he said a few posts up.

 

Thank-you for offering your support to this campaign. It's a shame you have had such a negative experience with reporting. This is something some of us hope to change if we can show that enough players are willing to do their part to make the game better. The chat is a funny place. I do help a mod friend of mine in chat quite often and you need to be really careful about what you say. Even though you are trying to help you still can't break the rules. I hope you will reconsider your decision on reporting one day, we need all the people we can get.

 

 

 

Now on to what you have accused me of. I'm not sure if you have me mistaken with someone else or you are trying to discredit me. I would never say you should be reported for taking a gold box. It is in no way against the rules.  I may have said "I hate players that come into battles just to grab gold boxes.", although I don't recall.  I also do not ever recall complaining in chat that someone got a gold box. I don't really care who gets it, as long as they earn it before or after it drops. I have on occasion responded to the "gold yet" questions with different varied statements, but never flooding the chat complaining about it, certainly not every 10 secs.  I keep track of my daily score with a spread sheet and I have not scored 2000 points a day in almost a month let alone in one battle, except Aug.14/2014(3360 points)

You are correct about the "moral of the story". If indeed I did these things, which I do not believe I did, I will definitely make sure not to act like a child throwing a temper tantrum in the future. Shouldn't be a problem, since I have not been a child for a very long time, several decades in fact.

 

Lets not discuss this any further. I don't want it to go off topic again. Feel free to PM me if you wish.   

This topic is about the campaign and it's supporters, not me, and I do not want to disrespect it again.

 

As for the "team kick" system, if your referring to the new revised version that I'm helping with, it will not allow you to be kicked within the first 5 mins of joining a battle.  So you would indeed have been able to prove your worth and avoid being kicked.

[Beep_me 4]

I cannot speak for others, I speak only for myself here...

 

But I am "disturbed" (concerned more like), because of the level of cheating going on now.  Can you imagine how any system put in place might be open to abuse if it is not designed robustly? I am letting some go that I think are cheating as it is, because I do not want to be falsely accusing someone - If you like, I doubt that some will be as conscientious as us. How would you feel if you were banned when someone became disgruntled and complained, thinking you were more than lucky, or just out of spite? I imagine you would not be happy, I imagine anyone falsely accused would be happy, or would you consider it was just everyone for themselves?

[Satans-Rotweiler 45]

Hey I posted this in ideas and suggestions, just posting it here as well if that is ok as we all seem to be like minded players trying to clean up the game. I will remove if you feel it too off topic for you. I think it could be easily implemented by Tanki and have a positive outcome for all of us, so give it support if ye can :)

 

Satans-Rotweiler

• 40 posts

Posted 26 Aug 2014 - 03:32

I have seen a lot of discussions in forum of people not being happy with the integrity of game play.  That Mults and Saboteurs are far too frequently ruining their game and they seem very dissatisfied with the /vote command. It is highly infeasible that Tanki be expected to provide enough moderators to adequately police all games as the cost would be too high.

Here is my suggestion :

Tanki has video of the week competition with a reward of 40,000 gems.

Question of the week has 3 winners with 20,000 gems each, 60,000 gems total.

These are nice gestures by Tanki but neither enhances the experience of the wider Tanki community.

Why not have rewards for people based on the number of mults and saboteurs they have caught in the act, reported and led to a successful ban?

The weekly rewards could be first 50,000, second 30,000 and third 20,000 gems.  It would be for game violators only, not chat violators.Only warrant officer 3 and above violators would be counted.

It would reward players for taking the time and effort of recording/taking pictures and reporting the offenders thus helping Tanki to provide a clean playing environment for its supporters  and ensuring the violators are forced to behave or sit on the ban list.

It would increase the risks to the mults and saboteurs of being caught making the game a less favourable target for cheaters. If they are going to mult and sabotage then make them have to work darn hard to keep enough accounts on the go.

It would actively encourage all honest players to help in the task of protecting the games integrity  and keeping the game fun for everyone except the violators.

And all for only 100,000 gems a week tanki :)

Edited August 26, 2014 by Satans-Rotweiler

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

Gold hunter of the week this week was 112 , that is 16 gold boxes a day.

I play a lot and have never seen 16 gold alerts in a day so even assuming he caught every gold box that dropped while he was on that seems like a lot of drops.

Now if their game is anything like mine, gold alert goes off and everyone scrambles for it, so odds would say they couldn't have caught every box, even if they knew where it was going to be, which means they were getting more then 16 drops a day in their games??

 

Maybe in really high rank games they drop all the time but still that seems unbelievable, 16 a day.

In my opinion he had to be jumping from game to game gold box fishing but I could be wrong.

I just don't see how he or she could be contributing to anything with a gold box tally like that.

I agree. That looks really funny to many people I have talked to. That player most have been playing 12+ hours a day everyday for a week straight. Makes me wonder if Tanki caught this and are looking into whether or not he was cheating. 

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

One idea, if many if us job together, maybe we can make this whe thing go REALer, we could make like anti-mult mods, they go from battle to battle looking for mults etc. and banning them, this would make It efficient. Also they need LOTS of these kinds of mods so they can ban as much as possible mults etc. and that battles are highlited where someone has Bin /voted. With ur permission Canadian_Ev, I can make a PM to semyon Kirov with me and you, and we can ask if he can make a mod like this. Players have created different types of MODs btw, so this is possible.

 

If you think he will answer your PM go ahead.

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

 

Hey I posted this in ideas and suggestions, just posting it here as well if that is ok as we all seem to be like minded players trying to clean up the game. I will remove if you feel it too off topic for you. I think it could be easily implemented by Tanki and have a positive outcome for all of us, so give it support if ye can :)

 

Satans-Rotweiler

• 40 posts

Posted 26 Aug 2014 - 03:32

I have seen a lot of discussions in forum of people not being happy with the integrity of game play.  That Mults and Saboteurs are far too frequently ruining their game and they seem very dissatisfied with the /vote command. It is highly infeasible that Tanki be expected to provide enough moderators to adequately police all games as the cost would be too high.

Here is my suggestion :

Tanki has video of the week competition with a reward of 40,000 gems.

Question of the week has 3 winners with 20,000 gems each, 60,000 gems total.

These are nice gestures by Tanki but neither enhances the experience of the wider Tanki community.

Why not have rewards for people based on the number of mults and saboteurs they have caught in the act, reported and led to a successful ban?

The weekly rewards could be first 50,000, second 30,000 and third 20,000 gems.  It would be for game violators only, not chat violators.Only warrant officer 3 and above violators would be counted.

It would reward players for taking the time and effort of recording/taking pictures and reporting the offenders thus helping Tanki to provide a clean playing environment for its supporters  and ensuring the violators are forced to behave or sit on the ban list.

It would increase the risks to the mults and saboteurs of being caught making the game a less favourable target for cheaters. If they are going to mult and sabotage then make them have to work darn hard to keep enough accounts on the go.

It would actively encourage all honest players to help in the task of protecting the games integrity  and keeping the game fun for everyone except the violators.

And all for only 100,000 gems a week tanki :)

 

This is a idea I have read a few times now, but I think you may be the first to start a topic about it. I'll support it.

[Satans-Rotweiler 45]

This is a idea I have read a few times now, but I think you may be the first to start a topic about it. I'll support it.

Dam it, I didn't know it out there already, why has someone already thought of my great ideas??  :D

[MA3CTPO_HA_XAHTEP 832]

 

You may want to look at this topic.

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=217642

It is an idea for a new "team kick" system that @AbsoluteZero and myself have been working. Mostly him actually.

You can discuss it all over there.  

 

Thank you.

[ALEKSEJ0077 150]

I have a worrying news that fly hackers are getting more frequent. In this month i have seen 2 fly hackers . I tried to take Screen shots of them but in one the player with fly hack fell down the building as i was taking the shot and the other guy left as i was taking the pic.

 

I support this and I feel the age restriction of mods should be lowered. I am saying this because i am 13 and I want to be a mod to ban all those mults and saboteurs and hackers .

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

I have a worrying news that fly hackers are getting more frequent. In this month i have seen 2 fly hackers . I tried to take Screen shots of them but in one the player with fly hack fell down the building as i was taking the shot and the other guy left as i was taking the pic.

 

I support this and I feel the age restriction of mods should be lowered. I am saying this because i am 13 and I want to be a mod to ban all those mults and saboteurs and hackers .

Screenshots will not be enough proof. It needs to be a video. At least you are trying. Good Job.

[Uliuliu 637]

I get issues like this 95% of the time i play in long farm battles. Well, similar. I get a good team, we take the lead and right after someone leaves, some colonel or captain comes in. I do everything to get him out i beg him. I even say ill buy him crystals or leave a fund from a fire/wasp battle, but they stay and think theyre productive with theyr 0.05 D/L and m1 combo. Minutes later the ither team takes the lead and my loss is guaranteed. Whats the word for those ignorant low rankers?

[TG159 734]

I get issues like this 95% of the time i play in long farm battles. Well, similar. I get a good team, we take the lead and right after someone leaves, some colonel or captain comes in. I do everything to get him out i beg him. I even say ill buy him crystals or leave a fund from a fire/wasp battle, but they stay and think theyre productive with theyr 0.05 D/L and m1 combo. Minutes later the ither team takes the lead and my loss is guaranteed. Whats the word for those ignorant low rankers?

What if they use an m2 combo which includes firebird? I can take generals with m2 firebird m2 hornet and a few MU's (bandit)

[x-Ivlv 17]

I agree!

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

I get issues like this 95% of the time i play in long farm battles. Well, similar. I get a good team, we take the lead and right after someone leaves, some colonel or captain comes in. I do everything to get him out i beg him. I even say ill buy him crystals or leave a fund from a fire/wasp battle, but they stay and think theyre productive with theyr 0.05 D/L and m1 combo. Minutes later the ither team takes the lead and my loss is guaranteed. Whats the word for those ignorant low rankers?

You may want to look at this topic.

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=217642

It is an idea for a new "team kick" system that @AbsoluteZero and myself have been working. Mostly him actually.

You can discuss it all over there.  

It would have taken care of you little friend or should I say pest.

Edited August 26, 2014 by Canadian_Eh

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

I agree!

With what? If you don't mind me asking.

[theabc 87]

I support this campaign.

 

Great idea. ;)

[TG159 734]

I support this campaign.

 

Great idea. ;)

yup, it is :D