Player's Moderation: Kick2

[r_priyangshu0 270]

then what would be the problem if you get 45-60 fps all the time? with a problem like this, you should be reporting to tanki administration??

with laggy computers, its easy for the system to make out one as a cheater, so you will most likely self destruct... but with a good fps and ping rate, how does that happen?

*FACEPALM*

The person below me is the one lagging..

[AbsoluteAlphaZero 2,027]

then what would be the problem if you get 45-60 fps all the time? with a problem like this, you should be reporting to tanki administration??

with laggy computers, its easy for the system to make out one as a cheater, so you will most likely self destruct... but with a good fps and ping rate, how does that happen?

When gold drops, you don't have to click delete anymore just turn of your wifi for a few seconds ;)

[RustyNail 1,538]

After the last update of givving away Modifications way before the available rank, just for the cost of full MUing, I wonder why am I still in this game.... -_-

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

After the last update of givving away Modifications way before the available rank, just for the cost of full MUing, I wonder why am I still in this game.... -_-

Unlike many that have already reached the breaking point and left, you, me , and few others still hold onto the hope that someday Tanki will realize they need to focus on the real issues that players are complaining about.   Maybe we need to make a master list of all that is right and wrong with the current state of the game.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

 

We were talking about the new anti-cheat system that doesn't work.

Please take it to a different topic.

[r_priyangshu0 270]

Please take it to a different topic.

Ok, if you wish.

[kayitsiz 621]

[Pathfinder 1,690]

So, decided to join on the team of zero against a team of 6, with a sizable fund and 32 flag deficit (initial score was 0-32). The other team weren't particularly strong, and even though they were drugging, we were catching up at a good rate.

 

At about half-way through the game, I realised we had 3 mults on the team: khelan, xiryrg, and dudika. Thus, I decided to take a screenshot, 11 minutes before the end of the game:

 

 

Here is one showing xiryrg pushing me during the game (he originally had wasp thunder, parkouring as can be seen in screen1):

 

 

Note that khelan can be seen continuously leaving and joining, which he did for the entire game.

 

The final score:

 

 

Note first xiryrg: he joined with us, and look at his final death/loss. Comparing this with the first screenshot, we can see he earned exactly 47 points in 11 minutes. With a Thunder, he is either a coconut, or he was multing.

 

Typical of a mult, dudika stayed with us for the whole came, but left seconds before the end, so his name would not appear in the final screenshot. Who else would play am hour-long game to leave at the end just before the fund?

 

Again, comparing the first and last screenshots, we can see khelan earned 79 points in 11 minutes. Again, as with xiryrg, that's impressively and suspiciously poor.

 

Well played to the team, and it's cases like these that make me despair for the game. Mults are too big a problem - we need kick 2.

[lordmostafa 3,821]

GG^ :D

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

we need kick 2.

I would invest more cash in this game if enjoyment was a top priority. Mults & saboteurs kill this game. I've not bought crystals since last year and can't see me buying anymore until fixes to this and all the other failed updates are carried out. There is still plenty for me to get and I have all this money I need to spend!!! PS4 maybe?

[Pathfinder 1,690]

I would invest more cash in this game if enjoyment was a top priority. Mults & saboteurs kill this game. I've not bought crystals since last year and can't see me buying anymore until fixes to this and all the other failed updates are carried out. There is still plenty for me to get and I have all this money I need to spend!!! PS4 maybe?

Mults are too much of a problem, not enough is beng done about it. From the above game, the enemy weren't particularly skilled. We were not drugging hard as you can tell from my drug count, but we were still capping flags. But what can you do when 40% of your team aren't playing?

 

I havent and won't be buying until this is addressed.

[dfoofnik 341]

Unlike many that have already reached the breaking point and left, you, me , and few others still hold onto the hope that someday Tanki will realize they need to focus on the real issues that players are complaining about.   Maybe we need to make a master list of all that is right and wrong with the current state of the game.

Not holding my breath. A list would be nice, though. You should mention:

Programming:

- Shaft glitches, Isida good and bad

- Bad self-destruct

- Timer doesn't end battle

Player Behavior:

- Mults

- Raiders (using mults as phony members to fill opposing team)

(see an example here:

http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/dfoofnik/media/Shills%20and%20Raiders.png.html

- Trolls get a slap on the wrist instead of capital punishment

[dfoofnik 341]

Ok, if you wish.

Yes, it is right here:

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=263476&hl=

Not much to say because they are trying to fix their fix :wacko:

 

I have talked to a lot of players about the Kick system and it should get serious consideration if not any real programming effort.

[fufususumumu1 240]

*FACEPALM*

The person below me is the one lagging..

person below you is absolutealpha.

:double facepalm: duno how this is even possible hhhh....

im so confused lol  :blink:

@Absolutealpha: Cuz lag will do the job for you?

I thought system was supposed to fix bugs, not create them  wth.

btw can anyone find any negatives to this system? maybe the times for kicking players too short/long?

[kayitsiz 621]

So, decided to join on the team of zero against a team of 6, with a sizable fund and 32 flag deficit (initial score was 0-32). The other team weren't particularly strong, and even though they were drugging, we were catching up at a good rate.

 

At about half-way through the game, I realised we had 3 mults on the team: khelan, xiryrg, and dudika. Thus, I decided to take a screenshot, 11 minutes before the end of the game:

 

 

Here is one showing xiryrg pushing me during the game (he originally had wasp thunder, parkouring as can be seen in screen1):

 

 

Note that khelan can be seen continuously leaving and joining, which he did for the entire game.

 

The final score:

 

 

Note first xiryrg: he joined with us, and look at his final death/loss. Comparing this with the first screenshot, we can see he earned exactly 47 points in 11 minutes. With a Thunder, he is either a coconut, or he was multing.

 

Typical of a mult, dudika stayed with us for the whole came, but left seconds before the end, so his name would not appear in the final screenshot. Who else would play am hour-long game to leave at the end just before the fund?

 

Again, comparing the first and last screenshots, we can see khelan earned 79 points in 11 minutes. Again, as with xiryrg, that's impressively and suspiciously poor.

 

Well played to the team, and it's cases like these that make me despair for the game. Mults are too big a problem - we need kick 2.

Well, you called your 3 friend and tried to "take over" the whole game, what wa you expecting, a kindly welcome? Everyone would do that... 

Mult vs Raid, Mult:1-Raid:0

Okay, maybe mult is worse, but the mission of the mult and raid is capturing the winner position, this is what the people hate..

Well, this mult is different.

 

 

We all know, this project will be (like other raids) supported by multers, fly hacker capturer and freezes, full of druggers and Skype user players. Also, probably someone will change teams.

Also, the chat will be full of curses. If you don't, you will lose against other raiders, and you will extinct.

 

Nothing personal, but I wish you will face someone like you.

 

Still nothing personal...

[Pathfinder 1,690]

Well, you called your 3 friend and tried to "take over" the whole game, what wa you expecting, a kindly welcome? Everyone would do that... 

Mult vs Raid, Mult:1-Raid:0

Okay, maybe mult is worse, but the mission of the mult and raid is capturing the winner position, this is what the people hate..

Well, this mult is different.

  

Still nothing personal...

I think you need to understand that what you call raiding, is simply joining the losing side of a battle and attempting to win it. Please explain what's the issue here? No one was expecting a "friendly welcome", but we can expect a fair game.

 

Multing is completely different from raiding. Sometimes raiders use mults, but sometimes they don't. Multing is absolutely against the rules, and just a cheap way of winning a game.

 

This project won't just be supported by those players you listed, but it should be supported by EVERYONE who does not use mults. It's in everyone's interest that they are removed from the game - mults don't just screw raiding, they screw games in general.

[fufususumumu1 240]

also if multing has been used as one of the tactics of raiding the game, you can just put your reason to mods as multing rather than raiding.

but if raiding has been done following all the rules of the game, i dont see how it is illegal (although it might piss of the rest of the players)

[kayitsiz 621]

I think you need to understand that what you call raiding, is simply joining the losing side of a battle and attempting to win it. Please explain what's the issue here? No one was expecting a "friendly welcome", but we can expect a fair game.

 

Multing is completely different from raiding. Sometimes raiders use mults, but sometimes they don't. Multing is absolutely against the rules, and just a cheap way of winning a game.

 

This project won't just be supported by those players you listed, but it should be supported by EVERYONE who does not use mults. It's in everyone's interest that they are removed from the game - mults don't just screw raiding, they screw games in general.

Look, most of the players can't have any chance to play with friends and voice chat, even sometimes with enough drug.

Someone doesn't need any crystals takes the game from who needs.

Well, then I don't see any good think of it, even this is legal. If someone doesn't like something legal and have power to change it with a nillegal way, he would definetely use that as everyone tries to make his right "the accepted right".

 

For me(and for the most of the players) the best game is playing at the start until the end. Your idea may be different, well. 

But most of the players care crystals.

 

If someone uses any tactic which the other even can't considered, what is the difference between cheat?

 

Mult is generally used with other bad tactics, and spoils the game. But, there is the point. Mult is too easy to win, that's why players hate it. Why would the players like other ways?

 

They used mult to guarentee the game score, which all the players want. Players want to get some guarentee ways. Any other way, why would they stay there instead playing single player game? Or If I want non-guarantee, I would just play strategy game.

 

You tried to act your rights, they did. There is still no preventation to prevent it. However, we should make definitions to make the "fair play" clear.

[kayitsiz 621]

Look, I mean that we should agree a general "fairplay" idea. We still don't have it. If someone think something unfair, why would he avoid to do something other unfair actions?

The idea is great, okay

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

This doesn't really have much to do with topic but it is related to the same problem. The use of mults has gotten so bad that I don't think that KICK2 would be very effective. The team using the mults plus the mults themselves out number the honest players so KICK2 can't work and neither can sending /vote.

The issue always stems around the need for huge amounts of crystals The problem is that players don't really have any source of crystals other than winning a battle. This causes many players to resort to extreme methods to insure the win. Hopefully the introduction of daily missions will help by providing another source of income. The distribution of crystals in battles needs to be a little more balanced as well. I have seen mults on a winning team get more crystals than good players on the losing team. That is just wrong. There should be more consideration of your personal score and less on which side you were on.

[fufususumumu1 240]

Look, I mean that we should agree a general "fairplay" idea. We still don't have it. If someone think something unfair, why would he avoid to do something other unfair actions?

The idea is great, okay

I think raiding becomes a problem when people in the opposing team who are part of the raiding, purposefully play bad to allow the other team to win. This would cause an unfair match to the rest who are playing alone, and take away the fun from most people, essentially like drugging.

This, I agree, should be against the rules, but how is it possible for an algorithm to detect cheating of this type, and if so, what about it's effficiency? The only way to counter this is to use the same tactic as them, be a raider yourself.

"if you can't beat 'em, join 'em"

this is only stands for raiding, it wouldn't be a good excuse if you said the same thing for multing tho :lol:

[RustyNail 1,538]

The game has been ruined during the last months, it's the truth.

New settings made by Administration give so many opportunities for misuse of power or unfair play that Kick2 (the detection of mults) tends to become obsolete... in the concept of not worth the efford to locate mults and kick them. The distribution of funds, the way they are generated and are linked to xp status, all these make raiders and druggers the new fashion in Tanki.

A very deep re-structure of Tanki is potentially almost necessary.

 

High rank players create new accounts and raid the funds in lower ranks battles. No new player has any possibilities whatsoever to claim the funds generated in a battle when alt accounts play that battle. Thus, no new player has the freedom to evolve without paying real money.

Experience maybe should be different than rank.

What I mean is, just a few months ago kick 2 seemed like a good tool for securing Tanki's well being. Now, not anymore... Any ideas?

[dfoofnik 341]

I think that if there is no way to monitor multiple accounts:

-- Any player that stays in a game for 4 minutes inactive should be locked out of Tanki for an hour. (mults, saboteurs)

(excluding those on Pause).

- Any player that scores zero should never be automatically entered in the next battle. (mults)

- Any player that enters and leaves a battle within 30 seconds should be locked out for an hour. (roster shills)

(http://s1127.photobucket.com/user/dfoofnik/media/RaidersUsingShillsAgain.jpg.html)

 

Controlling raids is another problem altogether. Maybe limiting the number of players that can join a running battle to 1 every 2 minutes (for each team) would severely restrict the raiders. Or perhaps a maximum of 3 players per team in the last half of a battle.

[Pathfinder 1,690]

Look, most of the players can't have any chance to play with friends and voice chat, even sometimes with enough drug.

Someone doesn't need any crystals takes the game from who needs.

Well, then I don't see any good think of it, even this is legal. If someone doesn't like something legal and have power to change it with a nillegal way, he would definetely use that as everyone tries to make his right "the accepted right".

 

For me(and for the most of the players) the best game is playing at the start until the end. Your idea may be different, well. 

But most of the players care crystals.

 

If someone uses any tactic which the other even can't considered, what is the difference between cheat?

 

Mult is generally used with other bad tactics, and spoils the game. But, there is the point. Mult is too easy to win, that's why players hate it. Why would the players like other ways?

 

They used mult to guarentee the game score, which all the players want. Players want to get some guarentee ways. Any other way, why would they stay there instead playing single player game? Or If I want non-guarantee, I would just play strategy game.

 

You tried to act your rights, they did. There is still no preventation to prevent it. However, we should make definitions to make the "fair play" clear.

We don't play with voice chat, or even skype call. We literally say hi in-game/ invite each other to each other's games. Even if we did use voice call, why is that a problem? Vôice calling is a completely legitimate way of boosting the teams strength, in many games.

 

"Someone doesn't need any crystals takes the game from who needs."

 

No no, you misunderstand. I'm not crying about not gaining crystals, im against the ruined game. You're absolutely right, I don't neede the crystals - and sometimes when our games aren't successful you won't see any of us raging.

 

"If someone uses any tactic which the other even can't considered, what is the difference between cheat?"

 

Well, in any game, unfortunately, you win at the cost of the enemy. That's gaming for you, not everyone can win. I would like to see you win a game while "considering the enemy".

 

"Mult is generally used with other bad tactics, and spoils the game. But, there is the point. Mult is too easy to win, that's why players hate it. Why would the players like other ways?"

 

Are you being serious right now? By "other ways" are you seriously comparing multing to joining a battle with a group of friends with the aim of turning the game around and winning? Multing is illegal, it's against the rules, and it's immoral.

 

Man, if your opinion still dwells on thought that taking over a game is somehow "cheating" then I cannot be bothered to debate further. Taking over IS fair play. It's simply playing to win, you can't say that's wrong in a video game

[kayitsiz 621]

We don't play with voice chat, or even skype call. We literally say hi in-game/ invite each other to each other's games. Even if we did use voice call, why is that a problem? Vôice calling is a completely legitimate way of boosting the teams strength, in many games.

 

"Someone doesn't need any crystals takes the game from who needs."

 

No no, you misunderstand. I'm not crying about not gaining crystals, im against the ruined game. You're absolutely right, I don't neede the crystals - and sometimes when our games aren't successful you won't see any of us raging.

 

"If someone uses any tactic which the other even can't considered, what is the difference between cheat?"

 

Well, in any game, unfortunately, you win at the cost of the enemy. That's gaming for you, not everyone can win. I would like to see you win a game while "considering the enemy".

 

"Mult is generally used with other bad tactics, and spoils the game. But, there is the point. Mult is too easy to win, that's why players hate it. Why would the players like other ways?"

 

Are you being serious right now? By "other ways" are you seriously comparing multing to joining a battle with a group of friends with the aim of turning the game around and winning? Multing is illegal, it's against the rules, and it's immoral.

 

Man, if your opinion still dwells on thought that taking over a game is somehow "cheating" then I cannot be bothered to debate further. Taking over IS fair play. It's simply playing to win, you can't say that's wrong in a video game

Okay I am sorry to make you miscomfort!  :(  :(  :blush:  :blush:

I am going calmly!  :blush: