Player's Moderation: Kick2

[xXx.RazoR.xXx 543]

I think your one of teammates may arranged them to show the team weak for a short time, this would be a great raid tactic.

You might multed "your" team, so the opponent hoped that they will win.

Can we learn this is the turth or not? Definetely we can't

 

If I am right, then you can't do anythink to prevent this. This brings to the main point which I've written on the "takeover team" topic.

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=258582&p=4569279

hahahahahahha,then why would I even bother to describe situation?..we are team made of GROWN people,same language,same gamestyle,we are not into the fund/crystals,we play to enjoy :) ..we only want to play fair,to be treated fair in battle..although,we rarely receive such treatment,we offer nothing less then that..plus,we had mult whole time during the battle,my RU friend was there about 2 minutes before he left as I asked him to do :) or maybe you misunderstood my whole post :) to make it short,yes,we raided them,we know that team,russians have good term for that "multivodi" which means teams who use mults :) idk term in english,if that even exist :) we entered to kick their ass :) about your comment,you maybe "multed" your team..in that particular game,no..but we tend to do that against teams which is mainly consisted of dictators who are only there to hunt for GB..most of them are on RU1,there is many CP games there with noob ranks allowed in battle,one side often dominates,so their opponents leave..then we enter,with some basic m3s,100k paints are wait for 'em to raise fund..untill we decide to stop that..but NEVER EVER using mults :) RAIDING is one of rare things to do when you are gismo :) but we do it clean..my point is,if you have something against raiders,that's sadly your problem :) but,please,separate "multivodi"<--- term explained earčlier from true teams ;)

[xXx.RazoR.xXx 543]

Raiding is basically a group of familiars (friends, clan-mates) that play against a team made of complete strangers.

Regardless to skype communication, familiarity makes sometimes words unnecessary. I mean, it's obvious, 3-4 people that have shared dozens of battles are quite familiar with each other's ways. So, even if no mults are applied, no crystal harvesting is planned, no skype or ts3 is used, it's still unfair if a familiar group plays with a group with no bonds and no co-operation experience whatsoever.

It's not against the rules, but you can't call it sport.

It's halfway to a battle of a clan against a team of complete strangers.

 

I, having not used to call friends in my battles (most of them are lower ranks than me) and since my clan-mates don't play standard battles often, end up alone in CTF battles.

I like co-operation but I rarely use the in-battle chat. So playing for such a team and having to deal with an organized group (raiders) often puts me in the middle of really heavy fire (coming from many opponents).

 

I wish there was a way that raiding groups could play against raiding groups only, and solo players in strangers' groups only.

I do understand you..it's hard against exppirienced,equiped and players connected with voice communication to stand against,but let's face it..it isn't against rules,and it's fun if you play clean..I can't even describe you how many laugh we got through skype (not on opponents!!) making basic mistakes,and accidently pushing/blocking teammate..it isn't about prize..it's about fun :)

[kayitsiz 621]

hahahahahahha,then why would I even bother to describe situation?..we are team made of GROWN people,same language,same gamestyle,we are not into the fund/crystals,we play to enjoy :) ..we only want to play fair,to be treated fair in battle..although,we rarely receive such treatment,we offer nothing less then that..plus,we had mult whole time during the battle,my RU friend was there about 2 minutes before he left as I asked him to do :) or maybe you misunderstood my whole post :) to make it short,yes,we raided them,we know that team,russians have good term for that "multivodi" which means teams who use mults :) idk term in english,if that even exist :) we entered to kick their ass :) about your comment,you maybe "multed" your team..in that particular game,no..but we tend to do that against teams which is mainly consisted of dictators who are only there to hunt for GB..most of them are on RU1,there is many CP games there with noob ranks allowed in battle,one side often dominates,so their opponents leave..then we enter,with some basic m3s,100k paints are wait for 'em to raise fund..untill we decide to stop that..but NEVER EVER using mults :) RAIDING is one of rare things to do when you are gismo :) but we do it clean..my point is,if you have something against raiders,that's sadly your problem :) but,please,separate "multivodi"<--- term explained earčlier from true teams ;)

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=217642&p=4704378

 

I do understand you..it's hard against exppirienced,equiped and players connected with voice communication to stand against,but let's face it..it isn't against rules,and it's fun if you play clean..I can't even describe you how many laugh we got through skype (not on opponents!!) making basic mistakes,and accidently pushing/blocking teammate..it isn't about prize..it's about fun :)

It isn't against rules because developers don't care fair play if something improves gameplay(even fair or unfair)

However this looks like using kicks on a boxing match, anyway... Using kicks is fun! 

 

 

Problem is not just about this team or other teams,

[xXx.RazoR.xXx 543]

@Kayitsiz again,we are off topic,but,almost everybody have means/possibility to use voice systems,friends system,and equipment..Raiding is part of the game,you like it or not..you find it unfair?..why,because players use voice communication?..should I erase my skype?..equipment?..should I use anything less then m3 (which I don't have)..paints?..why do you think I payed big amonuts of crystals to obtain them?..big part of players can use that same means..it's their choice to play solo (refuse to play with teams or/and friends)..

[kayitsiz 621]

@Kayitsiz again,we are off topic,but,almost everybody have means/possibility to use voice systems,friends system,and equipment..Raiding is part of the game,you like it or not..you find it unfair?..why,because players use voice communication?..should I erase my skype?..equipment?..should I use anything less then m3 (which I don't have)..paints?..why do you think I payed big amonuts of crystals to obtain them?..big part of players can use that same means..it's their choice to play solo (refuse to play with teams or/and friends)..

Then don't complain and deal with mults, this is a part of the game you like or not... But at least, this is more possible than using skype  <_<

That's why I don't want any kick system.

[xXx.RazoR.xXx 543]

Then don't complain and deal with mults, this is a part of the game you like or not... But at least, this is more possible than using skype  <_<

That's why I don't want any kick system.

why shouldn't I?..you think that mults are only problem of solo players???..lol..

 

I'll end this off topic discution here

 

OP sorry for this

[Pathfinder 1,690]

The mults in your team were your friends which showed your team weak until the last 25 minute.

Wasn't it?

 

 

 

C'mon Kirby, agree a point. If one of your teammates were using the tactics which you mention, this would be unfair for you; but you wouldn't do anythink about this. (As we think that I should take a video on your next match, some of your teammates were "teleporting", and the player who got 1 day bann was clearly under equipped)

I still say:

At least multing can be done by everyone, and farming tactics doesn't give any harm to other players.

Wait, so you are accusing me of deliberately placing mults on my own team, so that my friends could sub in? Are you serious?

 

Does it look like they were my friends or look green in the battle? Is that why we tried to get them to leave by reporting them? Lol

 

False assumptions false assumptions. I can't take you seriously if that's the case.

 

As you can see I did not even have skype on, I didn't call on the help of any friends. That's actually what friends tend to do - join your games when you need help, dunno if you realised that.

[kayitsiz 621]

Wait, so you are accusing me of deliberately placing mults on my own team, so that my friends could sub in? Are you serious?

 

Does it look like they were my friends or look green in the battle? Is that why we tried to get them to leave by reporting them? Lol

 

False assumptions false assumptions. I can't take you seriously if that's the case.

 

As you can see I did not even have skype on, I didn't call on the help of any friends. That's actually what friends tend to do - join your games when you need help, dunno if you realised that.

I don't say "You did", I say "you or your one of teammates might have done."

What have I said? Every game will be a bit suspicious and you can't stop that. 

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

I don't say "You did", I say "you or your one of teammates might have done."

What have I said? Every game will be a bit suspicious and you can't stop that. 

Every game, no matter who is playing these days is already 'a bit suspicious', hence this topic.

There is nothing wrong with a bunch of like-minded strong players getting together as friends with the objective of maximising crystal rewards using their collective skill and firepower. It is really what everyone strives for when starting this game. We've all been on the receiving end of it and granted, it's not very nice all but if no rules are being broken then you can either live with it, avoid it or do something to combat it.

[kayitsiz 621]

Every game, no matter who is playing these days is already 'a bit suspicious', hence this topic.

There is nothing wrong with a bunch of like-minded strong players getting together as friends with the objective of maximising crystal rewards using their collective skill and firepower. It is really what everyone strives for when starting this game. We've all been on the receiving end of it and granted, it's not very nice all but if no rules are being broken then you can either live with it, avoid it or do something to combat it.

What I wanted to explain is that! If you do something really unacceptable for someone, you shouldn't judge some others.

Fairplay is fairplay, unfairplay is unfairplay, funnyplay is funnyplay. There is no middle point!

But at least, make it nearest to fair an funny...

 

If someone finds something unfair, he would try every other possible unfair ways to reanswer it!

Raiding, drugging, multing, hacking, anythink anyway! If you face one of them and find it unfair, you would answer it with another option.

 

Kirby2008 doesn't do them much, ıf I understood, but what he defence is this. I also support this!

Rules are not important if you can't "rule" with rules. You can understand this whatever way you choose.

Rules maybe this or another something, but mults protect the balance, gives every player a chance, and make games clearly one-sided and impossible to change. 

For a player on the losing side, there isn't usually any difference between being defeated by mults or organized teams. They think that they wouldn't do this.

 

But the main ponit is that everyone can mult, so this isn't that big problem.

As I examplified, I have played some 10 vs 10 games which were actually 4 vs 4.  :D

 

This kick system will make players work even harder.

Before finding a way to protect income with making playable game to weak players, any kick system will just hit these players.

 

Don't forget that, you can even team in DM mode. -_-  <_<

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

Rules are not important if you can't "rule" with rules. You can understand this whatever way you choose.

Rules maybe this or another something, but mults protect the balance, gives every player a chance, and make games clearly one-sided and impossible to change. 

For a player on the losing side, there isn't usually any difference between being defeated by mults or organized teams. They think that they wouldn't do this.

 

But the main ponit is that everyone can mult, so this isn't that big problem.

As I examplified, I have played some 10 vs 10 games which were actually 4 vs 4.  :D

 

This kick system will make players work even harder.

Before finding a way to protect income with making playable game to weak players, any kick system will just hit these players.

 

Don't forget that, you can even team in DM mode. -_-  <_<

So what your saying is it is ok to break the rules, use mults and play dishonestly when the other side is better than yours in order to redress the imbalance. Got it.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

Thanks everyone who liked this suggestion. It is now a tanki World Record for most likes on a forum post. Clearly the community are wanting this mult situation addressed. Hopefully the devs are working on something, if not for flash then unity.

[kayitsiz 621]

So what your saying is it is ok to break the rules, use mults and play dishonestly when the other side is better than yours in order to redress the imbalance. Got it.

Lol the opponent is better because they are already using dishonestly "on my idea"

 

^^^^^^

Most of the players idea is that  -_-

 

If someone would try to kill me, I would find  this wrong. However, I would kill the person who wants to kill me. 

 

When was the last time you played "unsuspicious" game, or clearly fair?

[kayitsiz 621]

Okay, forget about kick system and listen that:

 

A buyer should have great enjoyment and fun, but also non-buyer should get enough security and minimum fun(unless some special games)

This game is pretty suitable for that as we think that this game is pretty about personal skills.

 

But players on low ranks feel unsecure, so getting less after big effords make them rage.

 

What is the solution?

The solution is that they should feel secure, but winning should increase the fun. :)

How will this happen?

 

We should increase equipment numbers. So, there will be many things that you can buy.

 

Also, there should be some parts of games that just buyers can participate or just buyers can give a start.So, buying will improve the fun for everyone! :) Maybe maps, maybe clan leaderships or special clan or friend modes...  

 

 

What about non-buyers?

Even if a non-buyer lose all battles from start until Gsimmo rank, even if he kicked from battles, he should get 1 M3.5 gun and hull, and some good paints.

So, even if he lose unfairly or fairly, this won't matter much because he will get enough crystals anyway.

 

A buyer will get premium account, clan leaderships, maybe some super pro-passes, and 20 M3+ turret with 15 M3+ hull.

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Or just bring an insurance system.  :D

 

 

 

After that, we can consider a kick system. 

[Lord-of-the-Snipers 1,620]

Okay, forget about kick system and listen that:

 

A buyer should have great enjoyment and fun, but also non-buyer should get enough security and minimum fun(unless some special games)

This game is pretty suitable for that as we think that this game is pretty about personal skills.

 

But players on low ranks feel unsecure, so getting less after big effords make them rage.

 

What is the solution?

The solution is that they should feel secure, but winning should increase the fun. :)

How will this happen?

 

We should increase equipment numbers. So, there will be many things that you can buy.

 

Also, there should be some parts of games that just buyers can participate or just buyers can give a start.So, buying will improve the fun for everyone! :) Maybe maps, maybe clan leaderships or special clan or friend modes...  

 

 

What about non-buyers?

Even if a non-buyer lose all battles from start until Gsimmo rank, even if he kicked from battles, he should get 1 M3.5 gun and hull, and some good paints.

So, even if he lose unfairly or fairly, this won't matter much because he will get enough crystals anyway.

 

A buyer will get premium account, clan leaderships, maybe some super pro-passes, and 20 M3+ turret with 15 M3+ hull.

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Or just bring an insurance system.  :D

 

 

 

After that, we can consider a kick system. 

I sincerely hope you are a trolling after all.

[T.O.T.A.L.W.A.R 581]

OK here is a use case that i encountered but i don't how the kick system will deal with it.

 

Yesterday i was browsing through the battle list and found an xp battle in farm 250 flags , the score 

Before i entered the battle was around 118  flag red team and 80 flag blue team. red team was

Full players blue team had 1 player and after i joined blue team 2 more players joined blue team.

The top scorer in blue team had more than 2k score and after i joined the other 2 players that joined

With me started to make an effort to change the score board and we managed to get the score to

100 flags blue , 120 flags red however a player from red team told the first scorer on my team that he 

Will help him get all the golds if he allows red team to win so that first scorer who already had a 2k or more

Advantage on us all stopped helping us cap flags and started blocking us and made some shots from

Time to time so that he doesn't look like a mult!. i tried to vote him immediately but the rest of the guys

On my team were Russians so they didn't understand what the 2 saboteurs were contemplating.

 

My question is how will kick system deal with people like these ?  

[kayitsiz 621]

OK here is a use case that i encountered but i don't how the kick system will deal with it.

 

Yesterday i was browsing through the battle list and found an xp battle in farm 250 flags , the score 

Before i entered the battle was around 118  flag red team and 80 flag blue team. red team was

Full players blue team had 1 player and after i joined blue team 2 more players joined blue team.

The top scorer in blue team had more than 2k score and after i joined the other 2 players that joined

With me started to make an effort to change the score board and we managed to get the score to

100 flags blue , 120 flags red however a player from red team told the first scorer on my team that he 

Will help him get all the golds if he allows red team to win so that first scorer who already had a 2k or more

Advantage on us all stopped helping us cap flags and started blocking us and made some shots from

Time to time so that he doesn't look like a mult!. i tried to vote him immediately but the rest of the guys

On my team were Russians so they didn't understand what the 2 saboteurs were contemplating.

 

My question is how will kick system deal with people like these ?  

The problem is that fairplay will never be, even with kick or not because there is not an agreement about "fairplay", and developers wouldn't make it. The best is making the game "playable" for everyone.

 

Then ask me: Which one is more "fair"?

Kicking this player or not kicking? Lot's of peopel would say that "kicking is right". But as you can see, this is called "diplomacy", and he, as the first scorer in the battle, made a deal and got an agreement about golds.

If we consider every group organization or any raid anyway, then we should consider "diplomacy" as a fair way to win, right? Diplomacy is a part of game. 

You can say "but I have also score, he can't talk about my score." But kicking is also a kind of talking about other people's score! Forget about that, any type of gaming is already that. Not playing is as natural as playing, with lots of reasons.

Also, no score is yours, as we think that players can enter games on the middle and play as a team even in DM games. So, he can do that.

 

 If we accept playing this game as a strategy game( we did million times), then should we accept this or not? 

 

I really can't say was this true or not, can you say?

 

Kick system can be great if no one gets harm due to what the kicked player did.

 

 

Waiting a fair play is just absurd, but I really don't understand why especially strong players are complaining as we can see that they can survive and continue to play in any unfair situation and also can use these situations.  :huh: Most of the supporters of this system are Gsimmo players who cannot get any damage after a match and basically has no risk(also can use this situation) but still wants a system which will basically hit weaker players and gives more power to them.  :mellow:

 

Gsimmo players cannot get weaken because they cannot  rank-up anymore! Any battle will just determine will they get more power faster or slower. There is basically no problem about Gsimmo players. We should check lower ranks, ans this is not any types of kick system.

 

 

Let's back to the topic which he explains, we can still consider many ways. Host mode, insurance systems, different types of game modes or crytalization systems, maybe even battle seperating or team seperating systems(I made them now, but looks have hope :) ), but not kick system.

 

If kick system, then we should consider giving some crys.

[T.O.T.A.L.W.A.R 581]

 

I really can't say was this true or not, can you say?

 

I don't understand this part u mean did this actually happen or u mean this was part of his diplomacy ? 

Although do u agree with what they did ? do u think every battle should be allowed to be sabotaged as

Long as we can call it diplomacy ? 

[kayitsiz 621]

I don't understand this part u mean did this actually happen or u mean this was part of his diplomacy ? 

Although do u agree with what they did ? do u think every battle should be allowed to be sabotaged as

Long as we can call it diplomacy ? 

There is not an agreement about "fairplay".

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

OK here is a use case that i encountered but i don't how the kick system will deal with it.

 

Yesterday i was browsing through the battle list and found an xp battle in farm 250 flags , the score 

Before i entered the battle was around 118  flag red team and 80 flag blue team. red team was

Full players blue team had 1 player and after i joined blue team 2 more players joined blue team.

The top scorer in blue team had more than 2k score and after i joined the other 2 players that joined

With me started to make an effort to change the score board and we managed to get the score to

100 flags blue , 120 flags red however a player from red team told the first scorer on my team that he 

Will help him get all the golds if he allows red team to win so that first scorer who already had a 2k or more

Advantage on us all stopped helping us cap flags and started blocking us and made some shots from

Time to time so that he doesn't look like a mult!. i tried to vote him immediately but the rest of the guys

On my team were Russians so they didn't understand what the 2 saboteurs were contemplating.

 

My question is how will kick system deal with people like these ?  

If his score was top score then he couldn't be kicked by regular voting but the System Vote could have a condition, based on work-rate, that when met could facilitate his removal. 

 

It wouldn't be hard to add.

[L.I.B.E.R.A.T.O.R 218]

Okay, forget about kick system and listen that:

 

A buyer should have great enjoyment and fun, but also non-buyer should get enough security and minimum fun(unless some special games)

This game is pretty suitable for that as we think that this game is pretty about personal skills.

 

But players on low ranks feel unsecure, so getting less after big effords make them rage.

 

What is the solution?

The solution is that they should feel secure, but winning should increase the fun. :)

How will this happen?

 

We should increase equipment numbers. So, there will be many things that you can buy.

 

Also, there should be some parts of games that just buyers can participate or just buyers can give a start.So, buying will improve the fun for everyone! :) Maybe maps, maybe clan leaderships or special clan or friend modes...  

 

 

What about non-buyers?

Even if a non-buyer lose all battles from start until Gsimmo rank, even if he kicked from battles, he should get 1 M3.5 gun and hull, and some good paints.

So, even if he lose unfairly or fairly, this won't matter much because he will get enough crystals anyway.

 

A buyer will get premium account, clan leaderships, maybe some super pro-passes, and 20 M3+ turret with 15 M3+ hull.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Or just bring an insurance system.  :D

 

 

 

After that, we can consider a kick system. 

What would this 'insurance system' be like? :huh:

[kayitsiz 621]

What would this 'insurance system' be like? :huh:

Lot's of ideas can be like that.

My idea was an option to refuse experience points with crystals if you want.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

Lot's of ideas can be like that.

My idea was an option to refuse experience points with crystals if you want.

How often do you use mults to gain an advantage. Be honest.

[kayitsiz 621]

How often do you use mults to gain an advantage. Be honest.

Do you mean how often so you use your teammates mults?

Well, if we consider every team game is full of mults, I can say I use mults on every team games.  To be honest, I didn't report mults on the opposite teams if I think that there are raid teams on the opposite teams. Actually, I haven't report any mult.

I mean, I can say what I do(what everyone do) is "to aid and abet".

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I don't have my mults, but I have 2 character near ranked(about sergeant). I haven't try.

 

Look, why I don't want a kick system is that actually mults refund weaker players, and this system will especially hit these ones.

You have every kind of power you need (you have every equipment you need, you are the last rank, you are famous and have friends, you know every type of multing and many other types of team ways[fair or unfair], you have skill, you have drugs, you can play just with friends, even if you tries to play "fair", you can use other players tactics) you don't need this system! 

 

You could do every type of unfair or fair ways right? You know how to do, and you have enough resource. Players like you(I mean, on your "strenth level"), does them. You can call them fair or unfair. Weaker players have just one way to cheat: mult.

 

If we add this system, this system will give "cheating power" to just too strong players, and this will cause even mroe unbalance.

 

Players are complaining mults because they think that they are getting harm because of that and this cause unbalance, but they don't see that this is the only way of cheating for someone doesn't know the game well or have less resource. 

 

Players usually don't care fairness or unfairness, they just care loses and wins. If they lose, they are more likely think that this was unfair. They don't consider this on all ways.

How much tiems mults saved my score, your score, or any player in this topic? Forme, at least twice a day!

Will they really like "the new fair game" after this system or will they find the game a lot hard for them and rage quit? 

Should I repeat that you can be team even in DM mode?  <_<

 

Today, lot's of players are saying that "I can win, I can get, I can drug etc.., this is a part of game. :P  :P  :P "

Then what can I say?

I can say:" You have to deal with me If I enter your game and I can play however good I want, and you have to deal with this, this is a part of game!  ^_^ "

 

You can consider the first sentence fair, maybe fair on rules... But the second one is also fair if we consider the first sentence.

If you delete the seond sentence, then first non-buyers, after will exit. 

 

 

 

Also, mults are beneficial for Tanki income! Mults are a force to keep unfair raiders(who spend excessive money to buy crystals) and a force to spend drug on players. Any type of kick system will also harm the income.

Why hasn't Tanki added any solution?  :rolleyes:

However, also gives easy games to players. If we add this kick system, every game will be at least "medium", not "easy".

 

 

 

Should I say more explanation?

[L.I.B.E.R.A.T.O.R 218]

Lot's of ideas can be like that.

My idea was an option to refuse experience points with crystals if you want.

I like that idea, so in other words... you gain 0 experience points after a kill/capture/etc for some crystals? Seems like a pretty neat way to earn more crystals while leveling :)