Player's Moderation: Kick2

[fufususumumu1 240]

deleted. sorry for double posting 

[fufususumumu1 240]

That's exactly the essence of raiding. It's not just friends playing together but a group of players that design the manipulation of the battle itself, maybe supporting for a while both teams so that funds rise and then coming like a swarm of locusts to raid the funds (and the pleasure of other players).

exactly the reason why LOTS are against it! not everyone has the advantage of friends all the time for organized and structured gameplay to win the game, but then again, the thing about strategy is also important and is highlighted by all those raiders. so that means you get stuck between two opinions, those who want raiding, and those who don't.

k what happened to your vow of never responding to me again?

[L.I.B.E.R.A.T.O.R 218]

Thinking of never coming back to TO after this multing crap. 10/10 games all rigged.

Bye bye soon.

[wild001 786]

Thinking of never coming back to TO after this multing crap. 10/10 games all rigged.

Bye bye soon.

not just 10/10,

 

those 60min Hill CTF,, Island CTF, Arena CTF all rigged, and rigged extremely well even mod can't do anything.

 

it is well playing in first 30min, and you leading like 30 flags, enemy weak and you are strong,

 

then I realized your teammates are suddenly not shown up for like 3 min every now and then and changed into paints that has no protection against enemy or weapon that enemy has strong protection against, and one of teammates left the battle, and a low rank joined your side and fighting with m1-m2s combos, (which technically is allowed, since the low rank has no access to m3)

 

then enemy side changed into twins / isida / vulcan with all drugs on, you feel like dieing non-stop, and flags is turned into 40-60 flags in just 15 mins.

 

none of players are banned since they scores well in battle and there is no rule says, bad skills and bad choice of paint in games are liable for ban.

 

 

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thus, same conclusion, without a big group of strong friends, or joined a organized clan or team, you hardly survive in this mult-growing environment.

[kayitsiz 621]

Probably I've said that, but the only solution is an insurance, nothing else can work.  -_-

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

 

The only other solution is to rework the economics of the game. Make it so it is not as profitable to be on the wining side. Reward the player not the team. I have now started to play more DM. Mults have no effect there. It's a shame because I like playing with friends as a team but unless you have enough to fill a whole entire side you will loose. 

 

Maybe all the players that are interested in fair play an good match-ups should start to organize battles together and use PRO passes to make the battles private. Just like they do for tournaments. I don't mind getting beat as long as it was done fairly by somebody with skill. I hate getting beat by cheaters without any morals.

[L.I.B.E.R.A.T.O.R 218]

not just 10/10,

 

those 60min Hill CTF,, Island CTF, Arena CTF all rigged, and rigged extremely well even mod can't do anything.

 

it is well playing in first 30min, and you leading like 30 flags, enemy weak and you are strong,

 

then I realized your teammates are suddenly not shown up for like 3 min every now and then and changed into paints that has no protection against enemy or weapon that enemy has strong protection against, and one of teammates left the battle, and a low rank joined your side and fighting with m1-m2s combos, (which technically is allowed, since the low rank has no access to m3)

 

then enemy side changed into twins / isida / vulcan with all drugs on, you feel like dieing non-stop, and flags is turned into 40-60 flags in just 15 mins.

 

none of players are banned since they scores well in battle and there is no rule says, bad skills and bad choice of paint in games are liable for ban.

 

 

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thus, same conclusion, without a big group of strong friends, or joined a organized clan or team, you hardly survive in this mult-growing environment.

Sadly, it also happens to 15 mins to 30 mins matches as well. Skype teams have strong advantage over others. The problem is how to find one. :ph34r: :( I guess,  there's no more Fair play in tanki.

 

In CP, team members just do nothing but drive along the edges to be easy target. CTF mode is exactly what you expected.

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

I just made this comment in another post.  Every city has a nasty place you don't want to go to, especially at night, well Tanki is becoming that place.  Is this the image and reputation you want for Tanki ?

[kayitsiz 621]

The only other solution is to rework the economics of the game. Make it so it is not as profitable to be on the wining side. Reward the player not the team. I have now started to play more DM. Mults have no effect there. It's a shame because I like playing with friends as a team but unless you have enough to fill a whole entire side you will loose. 

 

Maybe all the players that are interested in fair play an good match-ups should start to organize battles together and use PRO passes to make the battles private. Just like they do for tournaments. I don't mind getting beat as long as it was done fairly by somebody with skill. I hate getting beat by cheaters without any morals.

I've seen an idea. A player was saying that players should gear red paint for the first 5 minute of the game, and these players should make themselves friends. Then they can play no-supply pro battle.

Can be for also mult  :)

[TankDestroyer890 135]

I support

[Pathfinder 1,690]

Well, what can you do. So we have four m4 druggers on the team, but 4 mults. GG

 

[Pathfinder 1,690]

 

 

 

Well, what can you do. So we have four m4 druggers on the team, but 4 mults. GG

 

 

 

 

(or not, lol)

 

[kayitsiz 621]

Well, what can you do. So we have four m4 druggers on the team, but 4 mults. GG

 

Unless you manage your mults and show a theatre!

 

 

 

Everythink happened as I guessed.  B)

Don't play the theatre, we know what happens.

 

 

 

That's why a kick system shouldn't be. This will give the power to raiders, then more player will quit.

[Pathfinder 1,690]

Play the theatre? What do you mean?

 

Some raiders are 100% fairplay. Some use mults. Kick system would give more power to all fairplay players, not just fairplay raiders. It would eliminate raiders who use unfair tactics like mults. So I don't quite see your point here.

[xXx.RazoR.xXx 543]

Some raiders are 100% fairplay.

I'm member of team who plays like that and proud of that..I'll search through my pics and post some here how my team and me played against one of those unfair teams Kirby mentioned in his entire post I'm quoting now..8 on 1 side waiting and only 1 on opp side..we entered in a sec,beating them like heck :) although we were loosing in the moment we entered 36:1 (CP game to 101 points)..we had opportunity to infiltrate 1 of hours,1 of my RU friends watched the battle from outside and saw what's happening (mult in our team) and entered when 1 of their's got out (idk why) there to balance,asking them polite to kick mult from my team,they only laugh at him,and called HIma mult..at that point I asked him to leave,writing him that we only want to play fair (although he knew that),he said "ok drug,udachi" (ok friend,good luck)..game ended 101:88 for us :) I have,at least I think I do saved,or,I'll just ask my friends to share their pics here..many mults are playing theese days..and I have to say one thing..RU mods punish players who intentionally use m1/m2 on gismo ranks..my team managed to invite RU mods 2 times last 7 days becyuse of this..and they allways,ALLWAYS kick those kind of,I have to say,stupid mults..how else can you say for guy who's gismo and plays with m2 thunder,m0 hunter and white paint (in one of 2 cases I mentioned).. :)

[Pathfinder 1,690]

Had a quick read up.

 

exactly the reason why LOTS are against it! not everyone has the advantage of friends all the time for organized and structured gameplay to win the game, but then again, the thing about strategy is also important and is highlighted by all those raiders. so that means you get stuck between two opinions, those who want raiding, and those who don't.

k what happened to your vow of never responding to me again?

Just like to quote Rusty's point about the essence of raiding etc

 

Raiding is merely playing with some friends in a team, often on a losing team to try and win, nothing else. It's true that lots of raiding teams use unfair tactics, mults, manipulating battles to create high fund rigged games, and that's probably why rusty said what he did. But, no way is that "the essense of raiding".

 

1) Not all raiders are highly organised and use Skype and whatnot. In fact, as raiders, we almost never use skype to call lol. We literally join each other's games, and when we use skype it is to share links. As you can see from the above game, skype wasn't even on, and at the end of the game one of the guys asked me to come on haha. To be honest though, it's completely legit using slype calls regardless, you can't bash people for that. They're taking it more seriously, and should have an advantage as a result.

 

2) Not all raiders use mults. We never use mults, often we are beaten by them so we hate them just as much. Ive posted several posts here showing this and am in full support of this kick system because of it.

 

3) Not all raiders deliberatly build funds to farm crystals. We knew no one on the enemy team up there, and as @kayitsiz will vouch, I had basically given up on winning half way through.

 

Moreover, not all raiders care about crystals anyway. We would've left the game, and I would've unfriended my boy Sam if I had really bothered about the crystals. I never at any point asked him to leave after he joined against me. We play for fun.

 

Anyway, my point is, hate on mults, saboteurs, unfair farming tactics done by lots of groups of players, but I will always stand by the fact that "Raiding" in itself is completely fair.

[kayitsiz 621]

Play the theatre? What do you mean?

 

Some raiders are 100% fairplay. Some use mults. Kick system would give more power to all fairplay players, not just fairplay raiders. It would eliminate raiders who use unfair tactics like mults. So I don't quite see your point here.

The mults in your team were your friends which showed your team weak until the last 25 minute.

Wasn't it?

 

I'm member of team who plays like that and proud of that..I'll search through my pics and post some here how my team and me played against one of those unfair teams Kirby mentioned in his entire post I'm quoting now..8 on 1 side waiting and only 1 on opp side..we entered in a sec,beating them like heck :) although we were loosing in the moment we entered 36:1 (CP game to 101 points)..we had opportunity to infiltrate 1 of hours,1 of my RU friends watched the battle from outside and saw what's happening (mult in our team) and entered when 1 of their's got out (idk why) there to balance,asking them polite to kick mult from my team,they only laugh at him,and called HIma mult..at that point I asked him to leave,writing him that we only want to play fair (although he knew that),he said "ok drug,udachi" (ok friend,good luck) Is it, or was he your or one of your teammates friends?..game ended 101:88 for us :) I have,at least I think I do saved,or,I'll just ask my friends to share their pics here..many mults are playing theese days..and I have to say one thing..RU mods punish players who intentionally use m1/m2 on gismo ranks..my team managed to invite RU mods 2 times last 7 days becyuse of this..and they allways,ALLWAYS kick those kind of,I have to say,stupid mults..how else can you say for guy who's gismo and plays with m2 thunder,m0 hunter and white paint (in one of 2 cases I mentioned).. :)

Had a quick read up.

 

Just like to quote Rusty's point about the essence of raiding etc

 

Raiding is merely playing with some friends in a team, often on a losing team to try and win, nothing else. It's true that lots of raiding teams use unfair tactics, mults, manipulating battles to create high fund rigged games, and that's probably why rusty said what he did. But, no way is that "the essense of raiding".

 

1) Not all raiders are highly organised and use Skype and whatnot. In fact, as raiders, we almost never use skype to call lol. We literally join each other's games, and when we use skype it is to share links. As you can see from the above game, skype wasn't even on, and at the end of the game one of the guys asked me to come on haha. To be honest though, it's completely legit using slype calls regardless, you can't bash people for that. They're taking it more seriously, and should have an advantage as a result.

 

2) Not all raiders use mults. We never use mults, often we are beaten by them so we hate them just as much. Ive posted several posts here showing this and am in full support of this kick system because of it.

 

3) Not all raiders deliberatly build funds to farm crystals. We knew no one on the enemy team up there, and as @kayitsiz will vouch, I had basically given up on winning half way through.

I do; but as I said, I think the mults on your team were your or one of your teammates friends.

Also, you were waiting for  to help.

 

Moreover, not all raiders care about crystals anyway. We would've left the game, and I would've unfriended my boy Sam if I had really bothered about the crystals. I never at any point asked him to leave after he joined against me. We play for fun.

Yes, I agree

Anyway, my point is, hate on mults, saboteurs, unfair farming tactics done by lots of groups of players, but I will always stand by the fact that "Raiding" in itself is completely fair.

C'mon Kirby, agree a point. If one of your teammates were using the tactics which you mention, this would be unfair for you; but you wouldn't do anythink about this. (As we think that I should take a video on your next match, some of your teammates were "teleporting", and the player who got 1 day bann was clearly under equipped)

I still say:

At least multing can be done by everyone, and farming tactics doesn't give any harm to other players.

[xXx.RazoR.xXx 543]

@Kayitsiz which part of my text you didn't understand? :)

[kayitsiz 621]

@Kayitsiz which part of my text you didn't understand? :)

(idk why) <<<< this part

I don't blame any of you as a multer or something, but ... I explained

[kayitsiz 621]

Okay, what I want to mention is that 

Maybe we shouldn't consider solving a way of cheating before considering making the game fair. If we don't, we will just lose an easy way to cheat, then who can do other ways will spoil the game more because cheating will be just an ultimate gun of ultimate strong players.

 

Until that day; we shouldn't forget that everyone can mult, so everyone can try anti-mult. 

[fufususumumu1 240]

^^^ how can you anti-mult?

[kayitsiz 621]

^^^ how can you anti-mult?

If both teams are multed..

There were some 10vs10 games which was about 4 vs 4  :D

[xXx.RazoR.xXx 543]

(idk why) <<<< this part

I don't blame any of you as a multer or something, but ... I explained

well,it could be few reasons why oponent left..too much time on pause,glitches,"fatal error",maybe they tried to substiute players who expirienced lags,electricty failure,internet failure..numerous solutions..but,as I said..we NEVER use mults,nor we ever will :) winning or loosing..we lost couple of times,ofc,just because of the MULTS..but,against most teams(opponents),we can "balance" or "control" battle with 1 mult..but not more..

[kayitsiz 621]

well,it could be few reasons why oponent left..too much time on pause,glitches,"fatal error",maybe they tried to substiute players who expirienced lags,electricty failure,internet failure..numerous solutions..but,as I said..we NEVER use mults,nor we ever will :) winning or loosing..we lost couple of times,ofc,just because of the MULTS..but,against most teams(opponents),we can "balance" or "control" battle with 1 mult..but not more..

I think your one of teammates may arranged them to show the team weak for a short time, this would be a great raid tactic.

You might multed "your" team, so the opponent hoped that they will win.

Can we learn this is the turth or not? Definetely we can't

 

If I am right, then you can't do anythink to prevent this. This brings to the main point which I've written on the "takeover team" topic.

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=258582&p=4569279

[RustyNail 1,538]

Had a quick read up.

 

Just like to quote Rusty's point about the essence of raiding etc

 

Raiding is merely playing with some friends in a team, often on a losing team to try and win, nothing else. It's true that lots of raiding teams use unfair tactics, mults, manipulating battles to create high fund rigged games, and that's probably why rusty said what he did. But, no way is that "the essense of raiding".

 

1) Not all raiders are highly organised and use Skype and whatnot. In fact, as raiders, we almost never use skype to call lol. We literally join each other's games, and when we use skype it is to share links. As you can see from the above game, skype wasn't even on, and at the end of the game one of the guys asked me to come on haha. To be honest though, it's completely legit using slype calls regardless, you can't bash people for that. They're taking it more seriously, and should have an advantage as a result.

 

2) Not all raiders use mults. We never use mults, often we are beaten by them so we hate them just as much. Ive posted several posts here showing this and am in full support of this kick system because of it.

 

3) Not all raiders deliberatly build funds to farm crystals. We knew no one on the enemy team up there, and as @kayitsiz will vouch, I had basically given up on winning half way through.

 

Moreover, not all raiders care about crystals anyway. We would've left the game, and I would've unfriended my boy Sam if I had really bothered about the crystals. I never at any point asked him to leave after he joined against me. We play for fun.

 

Anyway, my point is, hate on mults, saboteurs, unfair farming tactics done by lots of groups of players, but I will always stand by the fact that "Raiding" in itself is completely fair.

Raiding is basically a group of familiars (friends, clan-mates) that play against a team made of complete strangers.

Regardless to skype communication, familiarity makes sometimes words unnecessary. I mean, it's obvious, 3-4 people that have shared dozens of battles are quite familiar with each other's ways. So, even if no mults are applied, no crystal harvesting is planned, no skype or ts3 is used, it's still unfair if a familiar group plays with a group with no bonds and no co-operation experience whatsoever.

It's not against the rules, but you can't call it sport.

It's halfway to a battle of a clan against a team of complete strangers.

 

I, having not used to call friends in my battles (most of them are lower ranks than me) and since my clan-mates don't play standard battles often, end up alone in CTF battles.

I like co-operation but I rarely use the in-battle chat. So playing for such a team and having to deal with an organized group (raiders) often puts me in the middle of really heavy fire (coming from many opponents).

 

I wish there was a way that raiding groups could play against raiding groups only, and solo players in strangers' groups only.