2-M3s or a single M4 . Lets discuss

[Real_Uchiha_Sasuke 189]

Now lets see

Tmmrw I was talking to a generallismo and he said that I must foucus on getting a single M4 turret and then an M4 hull , otherwise it will suffer.

My experience about this  thing is that m4 combo really makes a difference. 

For example ,

If an drugging m3 thunder attack u - and u are a hornet m2 then u will survive an attack with a chance on hitting him back too but the same hornet cannot take a fire from m4 thunder , considering on paints on both sides.

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But wait a sec, Lets see the most expeensive turret which is twins costs about like 350k for getting an m3 and an extra 700-800k on m4. means that m4 weapon costs about like 1150k , It is a very big amount. On the other hand m3 twins costs like 60% cheaper !!

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Now lets compare a thing 

 person A

having m4 twins , m4 hornet , m3 firebird and m3 hunter - cost will be ~~ lets jst say 2000k with a bunch of paints

 person B

having m3 thunder , m3 rail , m3 freeze , m3 mammoth , m3 hornet , m3 viking ~~~ lets say that they are of same amount as the players A

 

Both are 4vs4 in a sandbox.

person A is using m4twins,m4hunter and having an emrald paint on

person B comes into a same fight and uses freeze and changes it paints to rock with gives 50% twins protection. On seeing this person A changes to firebird m4 hornet m4 with inferno. After seeing that person B changes to m3 rail which sure will give firebird  a disadvantage - thinking of all other players killing each other and doing nothing of flag and pick ups. 

Now player B will be equal to player A

or 

when player changes it equipments it changes to inferno only but still then player B will change to thunder m3 and will do mass dmg on alll teams of his. In my opinion  result will be 

player B equal to player A

conditions are ideal!

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In other words player B will be as good as player A but eq changes when u have a battle btw m4s vs m3s , still I think experience and skillz can change it.

Now most imp. part If u agree still vote the pole and if u dont give reasons and all.

And I mostly suggest this to higher ranker--> to ans a pole or to give reasons <-- so that all noobs like us can have a better chance of getting good in future. after seeing that i donno how to make pole so pls give ur answers like +1 or -1

Edited November 22, 2014 by Real_Uchiha_Sasuke

[24-carrot 286]

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Edited November 30, 2014 by 24-carrot

[lordmostafa 3,821]

Well, you aren't correct. You see, if you have M4 Rail and M4 Viking with Prodigi (fully MUed) and the opponent has Rail M3 and Viking M3 with Prodigi (not MUed), the first guys will deal more damage and will take less damage in return. The same concept works on other turret and hulls. With M4s you get more damage and more protection, which is better than having two turrets or two hulls with less damage and protection.

[trombone_ftw 734]

rofl that GoldRock downvoted

[tankcalm 324]

Well, you aren't correct. You see, if you have M4 Rail and M4 Viking with Prodigi (fully MUed) and the opponent has Rail M3 and Viking M3 with Prodigi (not MUed), the first guys will deal more damage and will take less damage in return. The same concept works on other turret and hulls. With M4s you get more damage and more protection, which is better than having two turrets or two hulls with less damage and protection.

Don't lie to the kids, it's better have two weapons M3 than one M4. What is great today, after any "rebalance" can be trash and vice-versa. Rico back in the days was extremally powerful and now? Piece of crap, only usable in a few maps. Shaft have been thru several changes, very over-powered, then very weak, to strong again. My point is, what do you do, even M4, weapon who is plain and simple weak? 

 

Another example, imagine you buy your shinny M4 weapon, lets say thunder who has been always powerful, since ever. Even tho, having only one weapon M3 or superior put you in a hard place. What do you do if everybody starts using emerald? This happened before,  like a year ago, when thunder was too over-powered.  

 

To the OP, M4 weapon it does make the difference, don't get me wrong, but not at the cost of not having anything else. 

 

M4 hull is another history, is better have one hull M4 than two M3. These days have only M3 without MU's is hard at gens battles.

[Rad-Powered 1,694]

I'm just confused. 

[Real_Uchiha_Sasuke 189]

So confused guys!

Can to tell me more

Means u say that m4 better than m3 turret  but a good paint can change all of it / right + it mostly depends on ur team too... SO thats what u mean/ right

+ Considering ur answers I think that two m3 turrets + m4 hulls + m4 paint is better than m4combo+paint right/

+ if m4 rail has jst attacked then I think m3 rail should kill another hull that dont have protection. 

Explain me more guys , so confused!

Though thankyou for that epic response

[applications 993]

So confused guys!

Can to tell me more

Means u say that m4 better than m3 turret  but a good paint can change all of it / right + it mostly depends on ur team too... SO thats what u mean/ right

+ Considering ur answers I think that two m3 turrets + m4 hulls + m4 paint is better than m4combo+paint right/

+ if m4 rail has jst attacked then I think m3 rail should kill another hull that dont have protection. 

Explain me more guys , so confused!

Though thankyou for that epic response

Roflo XD its beter to have one m4 then 2 m3's because youll be only using 1 gun at a time -__

[tankcalm 324]

Roflo XD its beter to have one m4 then 2 m3's because youll be only using 1 gun at a time -__

Really, have you read my comment carefully? How many M3 weapons do you have? Not to say M4. I do have ALL weapons M3 and some of them M4. 

 

@Uchiha: What you should do is work as fast as you can in one combo M3, then work in a couple of good paints. Do not buy anything else, just one combo M3, first weapon M2 and then hull M2, after M3s (depends on your style, if you like more hornet/freeze or firebird to get flags, go for the hull first, you need to survive to use the short range weapon). After the paints, buy the first 3 or 4 MU in the important categories, they are cheap and the gain is big, just 3 or 4, the others are more expensive, it's better just go for the next M3.

 

Last comment, track carefully the kits they sell, sometimes you can get good bargains for your crys. Good luck

Edited November 23, 2014 by tankcalm

[tankcalm 324]

So confused guys!

Can to tell me more

Means u say that m4 better than m3 turret  but a good paint can change all of it / right + it mostly depends on ur team too... SO thats what u mean/ right

+ Considering ur answers I think that two m3 turrets + m4 hulls + m4 paint is better than m4combo+paint right/

+ if m4 rail has jst attacked then I think m3 rail should kill another hull that dont have protection. 

Explain me more guys , so confused!

Though thankyou for that epic response

If you like rails (which is a monster weapon), go first for the turret M3, then M3 hull (hornet is the most common out there), in the middle, you can buy a cheap paint with some protection, but never go for the 60k+ paints! they are a huge waste of crys, there are better paints, with more protection against the same weapons (they are more expensive, but it worth it). 

[Real_Uchiha_Sasuke 189]

If you like rails (which is a monster weapon), go first for the turret M3, then M3 hull (hornet is the most common out there), in the middle, you can buy a cheap paint with some protection, but never go for the 60k+ paints! they are a huge waste of crys, there are better paints, with more protection against the same weapons (they are more expensive, but it worth it). 

can u explain that more please!

u said nvr go for 60k+ paints and then u said they are more expensive, but it worth it.

[Real_Uchiha_Sasuke 189]

So I think that all of us agree to get an m3 combo , then get some good paints and then MU an m3 combo a little and then again buy an M3 right / 

[Truthteller 4,204]

Id rather get a m3 hull then a m3 gun then a protection paint then do little mu and then play

[Real_Uchiha_Sasuke 189]

Id rather get a m3 hull then a m3 gun then a protection paint then do little mu and then play

+1 and will use a best situational combo - like rico and mammy for defence with inferno on , in hill - rather than having m4 firebird and viking - but generallismo thinks diff.ently  so want there  opinion  :D 

[wild001 786]

i have m4 railgun and m4 hornet and fully mu-ed needle, nothing else much.

 

it depends on how u like to play.

 

M4 vs M3 = M3 vs M2;

 

you can win M3 with your M2, but require more skills, same to M4 vs M3

[lordmostafa 3,821]

kids.

Please, people may take that as an insult.

 

Don't lie to the kids, it's better have two weapons M3 than one M4. What is great today, after any "rebalance" can be trash and vice-versa. Rico back in the days was extremally powerful and now? Piece of crap, only usable in a few maps. Shaft have been thru several changes, very over-powered, then very weak, to strong again. My point is, what do you do, even M4, weapon who is plain and simple weak?

Yes, Rico was very extremely powerful and that is the reason it got nerfed, that is the reason why everything gets nerfed or get some extra power - so everything can be balanced, no turret over powered or underpowered. They always have mini-re balances to make every turret and hull equal.

 

Another example, imagine you buy your shinny M4 weapon, lets say thunder who has been always powerful, since ever. Even tho, having only one weapon M3 or superior put you in a hard place. What do you do if everybody starts using emerald? This happened before,  like a year ago, when thunder was too over-powered. 

Well, that is the point of having paints in the game. What if you got M3 Smoky and M3 Shaft, Needle and Jade will still be there and the M3 would deal less damage than M4.

[tankcalm 324]

...

How old are you? Since when 'kid' is an offense? Huge portion of players are just kids.

 

It's impossible to have perfect rebalance, don't believe me, ask Hazel-rah, he explain it in a video blog. That's one reason why having only one M4 weapon is not the best thing. If you focus in what is strong now, maybe in 3 months became weak and almost useless, as it is rico now.

 

Really? Why i would like to have two similar snipe weapons as my only turrets? That's just silly. 

[tankcalm 324]

So I think that all of us agree to get an m3 combo , then get some good paints and then MU an m3 combo a little and then again buy an M3 right / 

Pretty much that's it in my opinion. You can argue about have some MU's before the best paints since they are cheap and very useful but anyway is ok. 

 

Also there is the possibility you get a huge discount in some specific kit or item, so the order may be adjusted a little bit in order to save crystals.

[tankcalm 324]

can u explain that more please!

u said nvr go for 60k+ paints and then u said they are more expensive, but it worth it.

The paints in the range 50k-100k are a huge waste of crystals. For almost every paint in that range you can find a better one, with better stats, just more expensive. Why do i say wait for the more expensive ones? Paints are a pricey, and eventually, once you get to higher ranks, you will need every possible bit of protection. With the cheapest version(but not cheap at all, of course) you have two choices, MU the paint and spend more and more knowing that you are investing in something by default weaker. You will always be at disadvantage with the top paints. Or you may decide to buy the really top paint and then the cheapest one became useless(along with all those crystals invested in MU's if that's the case).

 

I'm not saying you shouldn't buy any paint before emerald, zeus, etc  It's some specific paints, costing like 80k, with a better version for let's say, 35k more who are not worth it at all. Probably is very useful have a couple of cheap paints (sort of, like 25-30k) you can use all the way and save for the real paints. There are paints who are a bargain for your bucks. I can't give you any inside or deeper analysis, the things have changed a lot since i wasn't top rank, i don't know how the game is played in lower ranks.

 

Final advice, watch always for battles exclude generalissimos. All the hardcore players, the top buyers, stronger players, takeover players are generalissimos, so avoid us and probably you will do right in battle  ;)

Edited November 23, 2014 by tankcalm

[emrakul 7,801]

it depends if the "m3" player has 40+% paints from those M4s

rail isn't useful in less situations than freeze or thunder, but old m2 kits paints make difference...

and have atleast 2 m3s, then get3rd, then you can play with those you have => MU to m3-m4

but dont forget, that its harder to get m4 something, than m3 two, three things:

m4 needs 50% on turret, and then MUing is harder, cuz you have to pay insta cost upgrade while doing it in one day (50% off on MU+speed up), or full price in many days. (cost is nearly same..., and BIG)

some m3s needs one new year/tankmans day/TO birthday sale or variety of 50% on one thing

M4 combo + full MU paint still rockz