Sportmanship and Alt Accounts

[Baby_Sam 614]

Ok, a lot of people above me say that if it's just "noobs vs. noobs" they will never develop a proficient amount of skill to stay competitive. However, I know a lot of people who just simply stopped playing Tanki because they thought they weren't good enough, when in reality they were just facing a lot of people who had developed a lot of skill on a higher ranking account and then made an alt account. 

 

Here are a few of those people just so you know i'm not lying:

caitlyn_lg

LavaHoppers

WHEREWOLFTOGHOST

exfinate

 

I could go on, but you get the point...

I agree.

 

To those good Samaritans who took upon themselves to roughen up noobs, I say, if I wanted to learn higher rank tactics, I would join battles like this one rather than learn from a mediocre lieutenant, whose skills are not good enough for his rank, posing as a skilled sergeant.

 

 

Now, if you intend to escape druggers, mults, and saboteurs, then you have to remember to play at their level. When you are training on karate, your master trainer, when he punches you, does not break your ribcage and kill you instantly in training although he easily can.

[Loackie 269]

 

To those good Samaritans who took upon themselves to roughen up noobs, I say, if I wanted to learn higher rank tactics, I would join battles like this one rather than learn from a mediocre lieutenant, whose skills are not good enough for his rank, posing as a skilled sergeant.

 

must I show you some screenies of me winning against brigs or no

[CrimsonSaviour 40]

must I show you some screenies of me winning against brigs or no

Can I see those pics and what tactic you use to win against them? :) :) :)

Edited December 31, 2014 by CrimsonSaviour

[Baby_Sam 614]

must I show you some screenies of me winning against brigs or no

CrimsonSaviour is interested in that. However, if you followed what I have been saying, you would notice that I actually want you to focus on that rather than showing off to lower ranks. :P

Edited December 31, 2014 by Baby_Sam

[WarMonkey51Austin 68]

You say it's not fair for the noobs if we play on lower accounts. Well, I tell you sir, that almost everybody has played with good players when they were a noob. That's how people learn. Sure, they didn't tell us to train them,

R tanki is a free for all game. We can do whatever we want and if they don't want to learn they can just keep dying from the skill of other people their rank. And, as a result, they leave, so isn't that he same as us fighting them eight our skill? They might learn something in that, but in his case they get nothing.

If people wanna duel you then duel them. Show them what you can do, there's nothing unfair if they already know your a high ranker, if they don't like it thy can just leave.

[Loackie 269]

Can I see those pics and what tactic you use to win against them? :) :) :)

 

 

 

 

First one was me trying out my first M2 combination. You definitely want an M2 combination before even trying against Brigadiers, don't forget they can access M3. In the second picture, which is a CTF, go against them as if they were your ranks, If you're around 2nd or 1st Lit, don't forget Brigadiers are quite close to your rank and aren't much better when you are, and the fact other brigadiers can join your team. (second picture was a bit skewed, i actually only took it to embarrass someone) Sometimes people use alts for a change of pace...

Edited December 31, 2014 by Loackie

[Baby_Sam 614]

You say it's not fair for the noobs if we play on lower accounts. Well, I tell you sir, that almost everybody has played with good players when they were a noob. That's how people learn. Sure, they didn't tell us to train them,

R tanki is a free for all game. We can do whatever we want and if they don't want to learn they can just keep dying from the skill of other people their rank. And, as a result, they leave, so isn't that he same as us fighting them eight our skill? They might learn something in that, but in his case they get nothing.

If people wanna duel you then duel them. Show them what you can do, there's nothing unfair if they already know your a high ranker, if they don't like it thy can just leave.

You miss something important to most people. When you kill people left and right without any real resistance, it is no fun to you (if you are like most people) almost as much as it is no fun to them. So, even if someone does not want me to have fun at their own expense, I am not interested. :)

 

The other thing is that people who want to learn from legit higher ranks can do that alreadly. Don't think that you are doing them any favors. You are not. You are just being selfish, so don't pretend otherwise. Now, if they know that you have much more experience and they want you to play with them, knock yourself out.

 

The fact that it is a free game and you can do something, does not mean that it is right to do it. I am sure TO does not want you to drive players out of the game in your quest to teach them against their will. I think what you are saying is not ethical. I am willing to write TO and ask them if they think that is ethical.

 

Please, note that this reply is not personal, but I am addressing your opinions, regardless of whether you actually believe in them or not.

Edited January 2, 2015 by Baby_Sam

[Loackie 269]

 

I am sure TO does not want you to drive players out of the game in your quest to teach them against their will.

 

How many players are alts driving out? How many players is Tanki gaining from community events and advertising? By that logic, that tournament in Siberia was utter crap, as people who have played the game previously were fighting first-timers but everyone enjoyed it.

[Baby_Sam 614]

How many players are alts driving out? How many players is Tanki gaining from community events and advertising? By that logic, that tournament in Siberia was utter crap, as people who have played the game previously were fighting first-timers but everyone enjoyed it.

What is the number that is good for you? 100, 1000, 10,000? Does it really matter how many people you hurt in your quest for your selfish desires? Do you care at all?

 

By what logic? The two situations are totally different. Your "logic" is completely flawed. Do you think your alt accounts bring more players to the game? You can't compare that with advertising or tournaments.

[Loackie 269]

You're acting like alts a community problem, which they are not...This is why I brought up the Siberia example, showing how an ACTUAL, REAL LIFE community would deal with this "problem". Also, am I seriously going to camp on the lower levels while i still rank like SEVERAL of people do and don't care? If you create a battle where you are the highest or one of the highest ranks, you are already exploiting your experience, just like making and alt would

[Baby_Sam 614]

You're acting like alts a community problem, which they are not...This is why I brought up the Siberia example, showing how an ACTUAL, REAL LIFE community would deal with this "problem". Also, am I seriously going to camp on the lower levels while i still rank like SEVERAL of people do and don't care? If you create a battle where you are the highest or one of the highest ranks, you are already exploiting your experience, just like making and alt would

I don't, and I don't join a battle where I am higher or lower rank than everybody else. That is one thing. The other is that everybody knows my real rank. That is what it's all about.

 

The Siberia example was a case where high-ranking players posed as low-rank players without the other players knowing it? I doubt that. From the beginning, I was promoting letting the others know. If they agree, knock yourself out, but being an imposter is unethical as most people would agree. At least, if you do this, you have to play easy and give something back.

[michael470 13]

 

 

 

 

First one was me trying out my first M2 combination. You definitely want an M2 combination before even trying against Brigadiers, don't forget they can access M3. In the second picture, which is a CTF, go against them as if they were your ranks, If you're around 2nd or 1st Lit, don't forget Brigadiers are quite close to your rank and aren't much better when you are, and the fact other brigadiers can join your team. (second picture was a bit skewed, i actually only took it to embarrass someone) Sometimes people use alts for a change of pace...

Do you have experience duelling with gissmos and marshals with rail and smoky m3s? I have this experience for once with isida and hornet m2. I actually find it not that difficult with dl about 0.8 and with like close to 330 cry in 5 min. If you want to survive high ranks, I presume this maybe a good choice?

[DarthvaderjonGTR 615]

You are like saying: We should legalize murder. In the end, how many people would be killed? Maybe murders would double, but look how much we could save in legal fees, trials, police work, suspense, news coverage, etc. and divert our resources to more important issues. In the end, we can't stop murder whatever we do.

 

The fact that something is not common does not make it right if it is not right to start with. I agree with you that it is not very common so far. I can't tell if I have experienced it or not, but I have left quite a few battles because I was not doing well for some reason or another.

A very grotesque, irrelevant and inappropriate analogy. Edited January 5, 2015 by DarthvaderjonGTR

[DarthvaderjonGTR 615]

By the way, rank does not always matter... Old pic :wub:

 

Edited January 5, 2015 by DarthvaderjonGTR

[Baby_Sam 614]

A very grotesque, irrelevant and inappropriate analogy.

I am sorry, but obviously you can't make sense of it if you don't use your brain.

[Athena369 265]

Plz no..... This happens as a cycle privates become gissimos, they create alts and pawn noobs...those noobs then again become gissimos and do the same thing over and over again. What can you do? Try to work your way slowly to the top trying to learn from skilled players either it's their alt or not.

[r_priyangshu0 270]

Sporsmanship has nothing to do with alts.

[Baby_Sam 614]

Sporsmanship has nothing to do with alts.

Since you don't know jack about sportmanship, here you go:

 

Sportsmanship (or sometimes sportspersonship) is an aspiration or ethos that a sport or activity will be enjoyed for its own sake, with proper consideration for fairness, ethics, respect, and a sense of fellowship with one's competitors.

 

Enjoy.

[Baby_Sam 614]

Same Equipment So No Problem At All ..

At 1st Everyone Does Not Have Great Skills ....

You Need To Learn It By The Way ..............

You must have come late. Would you say that if Richard the Lion's Heart gave you a sword even superior to his and called you to a duel to death? :P

[Baby_Sam 614]

Plz no..... This happens as a cycle privates become gissimos, they create alts and pawn noobs...those noobs then again become gissimos and do the same thing over and over again. What can you do? Try to work your way slowly to the top trying to learn from skilled players either it's their alt or not.

That's what I am doing, but that does not make it right.

Today, my son created a new account to help his friend whose account got stolen and had to start from scratch. After he ranked up to a private, I asked him not to fight recruits or those who seem genuine low ranks and take it easy in general, and he followed my instructions. You need to do your part to make sure that you are not ruining other people's game just because you can or you simply don't care or you think the sun rises out of your backside. Believe me it doesn't.

[michael470 13]

That's what I am doing, but that does not make it right.

Today, my son created a new account to help his friend whose account got stolen and had to start from scratch. After he ranked up to a private, I asked him not to fight recruits or those who seem genuine low ranks and take it easy in general, and he followed my instructions. You need to do your part to make sure that you are not ruining other people's game just because you can or you simply don't care or you think the sun rises out of your backside. Believe me it doesn't.

Are you saying that we should select battles to play in when higher ranks create an alt, like preventing entering battles which are filled with genuine low ranks? I think this is not possible because the purpose for creating an alt is for me to relax a bit from the highly intense gameplay in my high account and gain sweet memories back then. If we are to select higher rank battles even in the alt, what's its purpose? Also, you talk about joining battles with similar ranks in the alt, I think this is useless as well because experienced players ( with alts) will easily dominate the game in the same way. On the other hand, high rank players, I believe, can also learn from low ranks. Some low ranks may become adapted to their weapons quickly and have unique game styles or 'battle sense'. Some high rank players use alts to try out different types of weapons. For example, though I am not really a high rank, but I mainly use wasp rail or smoky in my alt instead of freeze isida hornet etc in this account. Therefore, I still have to gain skills with different weapons in my alt despite my experience in battles. Edited January 6, 2015 by michael470

[r_priyangshu0 270]

I said Sportsmanship has nothing to do with alts.Never said i don't know the meaning of sportsmanship.

 

Anyways if you destroy a tank it geniunely won't make him happy.It certainly won't be fair if people were drugging or using old kits.You are complaining about having alternate accounts being bad sportsmanship, but druggers,kit buyers,buyers also do not have sportsmanship in your case.Well,tell you what? This is a tank destroying game.Here if you destroy any tank with ease or even with luck at the same rank, it won't affect the person who got destroyed at all. Anyways, druggers can easily dominate a battle with their supplies. Same for buyers. Except the fact that alts are fair. And many people use alts simply to take a break from their real accounts.Sportsmanship, in this case means nothing to them, because it is fair. And have you seen people at lower ranks ever saying that they are having problems with playing? Well,the answer is no, because they do not care about sportsmanship of others.By the way, you have also mentioned he fact that someone who is a lower rank than you invited you to a battle.You did not accept it because you thought that it would be unfair to them with your experience.But what if they invited you to their battle so they could learn some skills from you? You blatantly refused them.That, my friend, is not having sportsmanship.It is like saying " Hey that teacher is much better than his/her students! He/She should not be teaching them even if the students want to because he/she won't be fair to them!" .Ok, maybe the lower rankers do not need our help, infact, they surely do not need it to learn the tactics of the game.But if

they want to, as in your case, if you refuse them you are not being fair to them as they might believe that you feel very proud of yourself and do not want to battle them simply because you can easily beat them.You are not having sportmanship, but rather discriminating them.

Edited January 6, 2015 by r_priyangshu0

[MrsTankBuster2 141]

. Your "logic" is completely flawed.

 

 

I am sorry, but obviously you can't make sense of it if you don't use your brain.

 

 

Since you don't know jack about sportmanship, here you go:

 

 

 

Perhaps one should learn some 'manners' and have some 'respect' for other peoples' opinions before one tries to lecture about sportsmanship.

 

After all, what you are posting is only your opinion too, so not very 'sporting' to try to put down anyone that doesn't see things the same way as you do.

 

Just my opinion of course...

[Loackie 269]

^Totally unexpected, but that is one of the most perfect replies.

BTW, you (topic starter) have friended my alt, so GG. I honestly don't feel like criticizing your gameplay in a thread like this too.

Edited January 7, 2015 by Loackie

[Baby_Sam 614]

Are you saying that we should select battles to play in when higher ranks create an alt, like preventing entering battles which are filled with genuine low ranks? I think this is not possible because the purpose for creating an alt is for me to relax a bit from the highly intense gameplay in my high account and gain sweet memories back then. If we are to select higher rank battles even in the alt, what's its purpose? Also, you talk about joining battles with similar ranks in the alt, I think this is useless as well because experienced players ( with alts) will easily dominate the game in the same way. On the other hand, high rank players, I believe, can also learn from low ranks. Some low ranks may become adapted to their weapons quickly and have unique game styles or 'battle sense'. Some high rank players use alts to try out different types of weapons. For example, though I am not really a high rank, but I mainly use wasp rail or smoky in my alt instead of freeze isida hornet etc in this account. Therefore, I still have to gain skills with different weapons in my alt despite my experience in battles.

I am not trying to spoon feed anybody. My ethical concern is that you should not ruin other people's experience. If you know how (not) to do that, then knock yourself out. Some people don't play easy. In some cases, like in a game for privates and recruits, if you play in your sleep, you are still superior to them. I hope that clarified any misunderstanding.