Reasons why Tanki got worse (not as a game, but because of the bad updates devs put in)

[roadkill78 39]

the only kinds of people who post topics like this are noob haters

[QuakerOats 28]

the only kinds of people who post topics like this are noob haters

And people who are willing to state what's wrong with the game, I'm with the topic creator on this.

[r_Zesx0 39]

That's it? Through in some paints and the game won't suck any more?

 

Most points TS speak about are no longer the case. For example rebalance happened two years. Read this again - TWO YEARS AGO. Most of other games die out in two years. This game not only lives, but update itself and the audience twice as large. And I find it hilarious that people keep whining about big faliure at rebalance but still around. For two years. This is why I call it The Whiners Club. Every mmo game forum is full of those. And this club as pointless as any other. Rebalance is the reason this game sucks? It was an event two years ago, got no influende on present day. It was a bad event back then, but after two years only hardcore fans whiners can keep the memory of it.

 

Again, why post this kind of things on the game forum? Everybody around here knows why this game is bad. Pointless, unless you want your own whiners club.

You have a point about the whining bit that there is no point but emm... Some people are just too small minded to realize that the updates mostly take away what used to be fun. I am not complaining about the game having the rebalance itself. The problem is that the game got approximately x3 more expensive and people who used to have all the goodies before rebalance, like hulls from Dictator to Mammoth M3 and weapons from Railgun to Shaft M3, after rebalance those people could only get like two or so hulls and weapons. Game used to not be based so much to buying crystals and more to collecting and buying stuff even without sales seemed legit. Now it isn't. Now everything is even more restricted than it was before. No-supply battles went from playing without supplies to battles who contain most of the options, some of which were available for the normal battles before. This isn't right. Most people were fine with the game as it was before then. If rebalance didn't make the full garage x3 as expensive and the balance with micro-upgrades was introduced from the rebalance's start, then people like me wouldn't be complaining. The comparison between the old amount of crystals we got, the amount of options we got for free battles, the amount of weapon and hull differentiation in battles is significantly big and not in a good way.

 

I think that rebalance was made only so that the developers would make more money. If it was for people to be taking different combo purposes, devs wouldn't be promoting railgun + hornet as much. It is quite a nice combo, but it isn't something even the game developers themselves should promote due to the idea of rebalance. Either devs don't know where they're going with the game, or they just want more cash from the updates they make. Imagine if instead of game being like it is now:

 

* it would've turned out fairer.

or

* if the big updates would have never happened.

 

If the big updates ever since Rebalance never happened, the game would've stayed the same, but people would still love to play it and pay for it fair amount if they wanted to. If the game's big updates had what I listed in the first post of this topic, the game would've been different, but people would like it just as much as they appreciated the old tanki.

 

There is a reason for this all to be told. Some might not even know any of this, because they don't dig deep. You, being part of staff in whatever way makes you pro-devs even if they made the game twice as bad later on as it is now. There is a reason to complain. Because if a lot of us do, we could change the game the way WE want it. And all though people might say "The game is fine as it is" you all know that it isn't, and that you would always want to get more of the good stuff. Together people can change a lot. Take Anonymous hacker group for example. They have gone far from where they started, and all they started with was complaining.

 

From what I can see it is the high ranked players mostly that see this, and lower rankers don't. Higher rankers have more experience. Devs themselves said that the amount of Generalissimos in the game is like 0.1 percent of the total players at one point. I am not saying that some lower ranked players don't realize this too. As you said, Hazel-Rah, the amount of people who play this game had signifficantly increased after the big updates such as Rebalance. This means that there are a lot of people who did not see the game before Rebalance, hence never noticed anything bad. But those who player the game from the beginning or long before the big updates knew. They saw the change. They saw the downfall of this game. And I am one of them. But the thing is... As new players joined... The majority became minority. This is why majority of people don't see why the game is corrupted in terms of the gameplay, mechanics, economics and physics. They didn't see any of the previous stuff. They only saw what was after the Rebalance. They don't know.

[r_Zesx0 39]

second: wasp has turned into a totally unbalancd hull, its too light cant control it when you shoot, and not that fast when compared to hornet, while hunter is nearly useless with only 1+ increase in speed vs Viking..  

:o That. Is something even I MYSELF didn't know!

 

Which means that

 

Rebalance + MUs ≠ Balance

Edited January 5, 2015 by r_Zesx0

[deadmanrising 715]

That's it? Through in some paints and the game won't suck any more?

 

Most points TS speak about are no longer the case. For example rebalance happened two years. Read this again - TWO YEARS AGO. Most of other games die out in two years. This game not only lives, but update itself and the audience twice as large. And I find it hilarious that people keep whining about big faliure at rebalance but still around. For two years. This is why I call it The Whiners Club. Every mmo game forum is full of those. And this club as pointless as any other. Rebalance is the reason this game sucks? It was an event two years ago, got no influende on present day. It was a bad event back then, but after two years only hardcore fans whiners can keep the memory of it.

 

Again, why post this kind of things on the game forum? Everybody around here knows why this game is bad. Pointless, unless you want your own whiners club.

Make my shaft relevant again and this game will rock :p

[deadmanrising 715]

second: wasp has turned into a totally unbalancd hull, its too light cant control it when you shoot, and not that fast when compared to hornet, while hunter is nearly useless with only 1+ increase in speed vs Viking.. 

Really? My hunter can escape viking quite easily, as m2 is unlocked at captian if you expect to carry it to field marhsal when vs viking-hornet m3's it needs to be micro upgraded, wasp is so fast it has to be light, its literally impossible for me to catch, it was built for certian turrets, smoky freeze and firebird is more ideal for it if you don't want to be flipped a lot, and if you don't like it why not just go for hornet or increase wasps weight m2 or m3?

Edited January 5, 2015 by deadmanrising

[r_Zesx0 39]

Really? My hunter can escape viking quite easily, as m2 is unlocked at captian if you expect to carry it to field marhsal when vs viking-hornet m3's it needs to be micro upgraded, wasp is so fast it has to be light, its literally impossible for me to catch, it was built for certian turrets, smoky freeze and firebird is more ideal for it if you don't want to be flipped a lot, and if you don't like it why not just go for hornet or increase wasps weight m2 or m3?

That is like saying that everybody in the game is a wealthy spastic buyer.

[deadmanrising 715]

That is like saying that everybody in the game is a wealthy spastic buyer.

No, well, its a perosnal choice, i managed to get my garage without buying

[FaaiqBilal1 795]

 

 

* Rebalance - made game much more expensive than it deserves to be

* Economics change - got 50% less fund. Now it's up to 80% from the 100% we had, but the 20% decrease is a lot, so it's bad in far end.

* Lies about TO 2.0 - was planned and then scrapped.

* A weapon that is basically Thunder, Railgun and Smoky features put together, plus a rubbish name (in my opinion) - Hammer.

* A waste of crystals on a weapon, hull and a paint - overall making over 700k crystals wasted on something that is going to last a few days. That is like half a year of someone playing TO and they're giving you the opportunity to waste that half a year's work on something that'll last 3 days or so.

* Bad balance of weapons and hulls - Firebird OP, Ricochet doesn't work as it should, Freeze's after effect nerfed too much.

* Parkour taken away - the new physics, which were introduced a long time ago made it impossible for wasps/hornets + ricochet to get on walls. While that might add realism, alternativa platform themselves said that the game isn't aiming for realism. But that's not the bad part: Dictator has become OP due to this. And in Sandbox, the parkour has been taken away due to Self-destruction which happens when you go over the hills.

* "Pro battles" (Pay-to-play battles) - all the options that were once for non-"Pro battles" are now taken away and only put in "Pro battles" options. This is not what those battles were meant to be for before. They were meant to be used for "No supplies". Now you have to waste 5000 crystals every month for some stupid options. And with the fact that you can make those battles like the ones we had long time ago, you waste even more crystals overall and are dissatisfied. It's Lose - lose situation.

* Railgun + Hornet promoted way too much - I know there are people who love this combination. But seriously, stop, You're addicted to it. There are other weapons and hulls to choose from and have a more interesting experience. And devs promote this. As previously mentioned, they made that stupid expensive tank that will only last a few days. They made specific battle modes, great, but only for Railgun + Hornet/Wasp. What about other weapons? Why not them? I have always wanted an "only Ricochet" battle, why can't I have that?

 

I like the game, and used to like it better before some stupid updates came out. Of course there are benefits from certain things, but overall it's just worse news for players. I'm a buyer, btw and I'm still disappointed! I kind of wrote all this in a rush, so if you have anything else that might have frustrated you, or any stupid updates in Tanki that have been done, write them in this topic. Also tell me whether you agree with what I wrote or not and why. But don't judge!

 

 

 

The prices are legit, just because you fail to save up doesn't mean stuff is over-priced. 

Dropping the idea was financially, and generally, a better idea. This is because Flash is an engine that is almost outdated. Making another game which is technically the same thing, same physics with the same graphic quality, but a lot of investment and time.

Hammer is based on a shotgun. It's a unique weapon IMHO.

Do they force you to buy it? It is your choice whether or not to spend your crystals on a limited edition weapon, it's not the end of the world if you don't buy it.

Firebird is not OP. Ricochet works perfectly. Freeze effect is perfect. I don't get what you're complaining about. Of-course, there is no perfect balance, but it is certainly better than tanki 1.0, when there were just 4 Tier 2 weapons really worth using after third lieutenant. Give me one man-made perfect balance. There is none. 

Parkouring with ricochet? Seriously? You call climbing walls by just pressing spacebar parkour? Parkour and physics were CERTAINLY improved. It created the fun in doing parkour anyway.

There is a default setting, and then there are settings you would want personally. It is completely justifiable that you can buy a pass for those settings. Come on, usually in other games you have to rent a server for custom settings! Seriously!

The developers never forced you to play with hornet/rail. The people chose it and they provided an incentive for developers to support them in format battles. If you really kept up with news, you would see that a format builder is coming up, which will allow the creator of a battle to choose whether or not to allow specific combinations. These specific combinations were only brought up because they had a great demand. 

Edited January 5, 2015 by FaaiqBilal1

[toanuparu_GT 7]

Someone should close this topic

[trombone_ftw 734]

Ahem... I am perfectly fine with NOT earning 5k in a month. I still play the game, plus all you need in Tanki is skills.

Lie of the year.

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Don't forget to add map changes to the list.

They ruined Highland :(

[SicTransitGloria 76]

Oh, Zesx. You're missing the point of the game.

 

The devs may love making a great game. They may love seeing happy players. They may love the fun and excitement this game has brought to so many people.

 

But at the end of the day, no amount of love will put food in the stomach.

 

Tanki is made to make money. Sure, it may have originally started out as a demo for Alternitiva's engine, but nowadays it's the company's flagship product. A lot of what you're complaining about is that the devs are mean for making buying a good thing, and that players are noobs and unskilled if they do give in and buy. Neither of those stereotypes are necessarily true.

[faith_be_with_you342 0]

why are there so many it is very anoying and it takks up all of my time :angry: :(

[r_Zesx0 39]

Oh, Zesx. You're missing the point of the game.

 

The devs may love making a great game. They may love seeing happy players. They may love the fun and excitement this game has brought to so many people.

 

But at the end of the day, no amount of love will put food in the stomach.

 

Tanki is made to make money. Sure, it may have originally started out as a demo for Alternitiva's engine, but nowadays it's the company's flagship product. A lot of what you're complaining about is that the devs are mean for making buying a good thing, and that players are noobs and unskilled if they do give in and buy. Neither of those stereotypes are necessarily true.

Then tell me, oh mister all-knowing, what necessarily IS true? Tell me why else would devs put Rebalance in place? Tell me why else people who play the game at the same time during at maximum during the day today is about 0.3% of the players that have actually registered while before it was approximately 0.64%? Now, this is where I got my information from:

 

Considering that this picture was taken like in year 2010 or so explains everything. The total number of registered accounts now is over 50m from what I had seen before. Based on stats, the max amount of people playing TO today is around 150 000 at the same time in the game. And note that this is the maximum. This means that the max amount of players within tanki TODAY are 0.3 of the total users registered. According to this image of the old tanki, the total amount of players registered is about 283 000 to the nearest 10k. Based on the amount of players online, there are 1800 players online (loaded in servers). Okay, then calculated percentage of the total amount of players registered 5 or so years ago from the amount of players on servers during that time is over 0.6 percent (Not that I am not even sure if 1800 online at that time was the max! It could've been the average or the minimum!)! That's more than TWICE the players online of the total amount registered. Any of you mentioning multiple accounts isn't going to make any difference. There are people who would have made multiple accounts then as well, however they didn't need to, and if they did that just meant they enjoyed the game play as a small ranker as well as someone with a big rank.

 

And to all those who call us "whiners". I am not a whiner. I am telling YOU the TRUTH using real evidence to support it via maths. YOU'RE the whiners here, because all you can do is make stupid excuses to why my points are invalid by saying "Oh, but it's DEVS :D" and you know something; yes, it IS devs. It's the DEVS who are doing all this crap to the game. And for the last time I am NOT here to bring the old balance back. I am here to prove that what devs had not made this game grow but wither. I am here to prove to you how much unfairness this game has gone through ever sinse the big updates. If devs really cared about their game, they would've kept everything the same balance in terms of economics, mechanics and physics even with big updates, because the more players there are the more people to pay for the game, the more they could invest for more servers. But that is NOT what they did. They made the game's balance so that overall it would be THEM who benefit from the big updates.

 

Just look at the amount of people striking for change before and now if you can, that is. If you can't, then I guess you'll never know and you'll always stay brainwashed in lies, because that is what I meant when I said people here are brainwashed: they don't see the truth and I am here to show it to you, but you just won't cut it. You're too convinced that devs are doing good to you overall to believe any facts that people show to you, because assuming that devs are mostly right is so much easier for you to understand. You don't care to put your mind into this, therefore you sit in lies and believe it's true.

 

 

Someone should close this topic

 

...because of reasons we will never know of!

 

tl;dr

For those of you who do not care to read this, you might as well not care to come to this topic at all. And for those of you who just won't believe devs are doing bad to you and good only for them overall, you might as well not visit the forum at all. Because forum is for people to put their minds to it and show their point and not just shout out for no reason.

Edited January 10, 2015 by r_Zesx0

[Opex-Rah 5,375]

This topic got no point, except as history of updates.

 

A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away... there were better tanki online. But corrupted forces of evil game developers spoiled everything. Here, you can read the story of updates that ruined the game as it was. The story of evil, slow but steady making this game bad. As some old players think of it, anyway. Read the story and enjoy yourself.

 

Thus, the topic will stay closed.