Hornet and Failgun

[Athena369 265]

Personal,non of your concern :)

And i didn't complain your spelling :)

Nope,im sure your top gun is your Failgun :)

lol great to see noobs accepting themselves as noobs. I appreciate your honesty. And no the one I love the most is thunder <3 and then comes railgun. Edited January 9, 2015 by Athena369

[LeIouch_Vi_Britannia 6,163]

lol great to see noobs accepting themselves as noobs. I appreciate your honesty. And no the one I love the most is thunder <3 and then comes railgun.

just go around around ask about my accs,

Dont think this is the main :)

you could look at the last page for a boost :)

Edited January 9, 2015 by LeIouch_Vi_Britannia

[Athena369 265]

just go around around ask about my accs,

Dont think this is the main :)

Lol you think that makes you a pro ? Meh...... Noobs these days <3

[LeIouch_Vi_Britannia 6,163]

Lol you think that makes you a pro ? Meh...... Noobs these days <3

yeah, you these days :)

[Athena369 265]

yeah, you these days :)

still crying eh? Lol you are like the only noob I know who is "actually a noob" while having the experience of multiple account lol.

 

#ShaftianNoobs<3

[LeIouch_Vi_Britannia 6,163]

still crying eh? Lol you are like the only noob I know who is "actually a noob" while having the experience of multiple account lol.

 

#ShaftianNoobs<3

ok,lil girl, you got me, Im a noob, you are a pro,

satisfied? :)

 

better not waste my time here and go pwn some poor XPs for fun :-"

Edited January 9, 2015 by LeIouch_Vi_Britannia

[Athena369 265]

ok,lil girl, you got me, Im a noob, you are a pro,

satisfied? :)

 

better not waste my time here and go pwn some poor XPs for fun :-"

Lol was it mentioned that I was a "girl" anywhere? Yeah go ahead lol you haven't improved a bit through these years lel......FYI also remember that you are not the only one having alts in this game.

[Lone.Warrior 1,331]

For me Failgame is a toy little babies use to play hide n seek.

[LeIouch_Vi_Britannia 6,163]

Lol was it mentioned that I was a "girl" anywhere? Yeah go ahead lol you haven't improved a bit through these years lel......FYI also remember that you are not the only one having alts in this game.

you'll never get why I said that ;)

and FYOI I knew you are an alt from the first sec I saw you :)

Edited January 9, 2015 by LeIouch_Vi_Britannia

[S.C.Y.T.H.E 1,072]

Recently I have been trying to work out why people like hornet and railgun soo much, because after researching I have found that it is probably the worst tank in the game*, but it speaks differently...

 

Here's my theory

 

1. Back in the day when XP battles started they worked out that hornet rail was probably the best comb for it because no matter what level of hornet you had 2 shots from a railgun could almost always kill it*, so tankers that liked XP battles would buy it for them and just us it in regular battles too, so people got good at using it and it caught on.

 

 

2. Railgun and hornet in a 100% fair battle would no doubt be the worst tank going around, but the reason it is good is because 0% of battles are 100% fair so they end up winning.*

 

3. Have you ever realised that hundreds of tankers use this comb but even less ever become good at it?* This is because hornet and rail is one of the worser no idea what worser means... tanks just the 5% of people that use* it know how to play and normally are only dominating noobs or players not paying attention. EXPLANATION this comb is the most popular in the game Which mean about 20% of tankers use it, so that means about 9% of all the good players are using it while all other combos have about 0.9% of good players using them so hornet and rail looks good and more people get it*

 

4. Have you ever realised that hornet and rail (with the exception of XP battles because everyone use 'em there) that hornet and rail only ever get in the top 12 in and battle if they use supply's, that is the only reason (and good playing.) Most of them spend more time blowing people up with mines than they do shooting them.*

 

5. they use railgun completely wrong, it is a long range weapon. it is normally used it mid range areas, also another way it is used is camping. WTH? Camping with hornet? are these guys stupid or something? If ya gonna do that use flipping Titan it works 40x better, trust me I tried it.*

 

6, the compromise, use hammer, it is like 3 railguns in a row, 1, 2, 3 then you wait for reload, and since you people don't use its range or special ability then then hammer is perfect, try it, and don't look at others and say hammer

Sucks, I have not found a good tanker that can use it yet so test your self.*

 

Conclusion, railgun is only good. Because good players use it and they drug and only ever win against noobs. Everything else is better than it and it only works in unfair battles AND THAT IS FINAL, SO SHUT UP*

 

Lol I an gonna get raged at also, tank says the best players are the ones that use rail and hornet but i will answer that later. BY THE WAY I HATE HORNET AND RAIL*

 

Ugh

*Honestly, you honestly think Hornet/Railgun is the worst tank in the game? That is one of the strangest things I have ever heard. Come on, there's Mammoth/Isida for one.

 

*Its still like that... two railgun shots will always kill a hornet. But I doubt that's why it started. XP battles really started not that long ago, when tanki added the drift and all that jazz. Dictator and Railgun used to be the thing, but then tanki made Hornet a fun to drive tank with the drift and such, so people switched to XP. 

 

*Nope, Nope Nope. Lets not get into fairness of battles. If you wanted a truly fair battle, then every tanker would have to be driving exactly the same tank, and have exactly the same skill level. (This doesn't happen, but it doesn't matter. In a 100% fair battle, everyone would be driving a hornet and rail, so hornet and rail would be the only tank, so it can't be the worst.) 

 

*Yes, a lot of people use this combo, and many don't become good at it. Its not the fault of the combo, its the fault of the tankers. 

 

*Yes, we all take you seriously when you say numbers like 5% without doing any study or research. There are definitely people who are bad at driving rail gun, but not 95%. Railgun isn't actually that common of a turret. If 95% of people who drive railgun are 'noobs' then I would estimate 97% of people driving other turrets are 'noobs', because, at my rank at least, good players try to drive skillful turrets like Railgun. And railgun is one of the most skillful turrets. You need to be pretty good to use it well. But you don't need to be in the top 5%.  Unfortunately, to my definition, a noob is someone bad at this game. You can't be bad at the game if you are above average... you would have to be worse than 50% of players to be considered a noob in my eyes. 

 

*I highly, highly doubt that 20% of tankers drive hornet and railgun especially at high ranks. But I actually haven't been looking out for them. If 20% of players are using it, then 10% of players who are driving it are good. Because 50% of players are good, and 50% of players are bad, that's practically the definition. You divide 20% by two. That means that 1 in every ten tanks is a good players driving a railgun/hornet. 

You are saying that it is kind of a snow ball effect... players see a good player driving a railgun and hornet, so they think that Railgun and Hornet is a good combo, so they use it. Then other people see these players driving it, so they get it too, even though only a small amount of XP drivers are actually good. The thing is, I don't think that this is the case. But I see what your thinking. 

 

*This is just plain false. I would have no comment, but it appears that you lack the intelligence to see why. "Most spend more time blowing up people with mines then they do shooting them" is just ridiculous. If one in every five people drive a hornet/rail, and most people who drive hornet/rail use mines more then they shoot, then this would be a ridiculous amount of mines. The average D/L is 1.00. This would mean that one in every five times you die it is because of a railgun and hornet using mines, not to mention other combos using mines. So at least one in every five times you die you die of a mine. And, it seems to me, only about 50% of mines lain actually go off. Most people can avoid mines or kill the person who laid them. So then, there would have to be 2.5 mines lain every five times someone died. That would mean that half a mine is set each time someone dies. That is a ridiculous amount of mines, since on average there are 16 people in a battle this would mean that there are eight or more mines activated at all times in a battle. And every single one of these eight mines were activated by XPists alone. That is quite a lot. 

If there are 16 people per battle, and 1/5ths of all tankers are XPists, then there are 3.2 XPists per battle. That's not an unbelievable amount. You said that

'hornet and rail only ever get in the top 12 in and battle if they use supply's'

12 out of 16 people per battle (on average) make it to the top twelve. That is 75%, or 3/4ths. There are only four people that don't make it to the top twelve. You are saying that out of these four people, three of them are XPists, unless they used supplies. Ok then. 

 

*It is not a solely long range weapon. 

"A gun for professionals. Performs well at any range. Takes a long time to reload and needs to warm up before firing, but packs a hefty punch. A good pairing for any hull, but light tanks run the risk of flipping over from the recoil! A favorite amongst clan players."

"Railgun is a truly versatile gun. It is perfect for both campers who prefer to kill enemies from cover at great distances and active players who move a lot over the battlefield. This is truly a legendary gun in Tanki Online. All Clan Wars are still fought using Railguns. The only situation when Railgun is not the best choice is when you try to steal the enemy team’s flag in CTF mode. It is worth remembering that Railgun needs 1.1 second from the moment you press the space bar to shoot."

^Stolen from the wiki. I agree, camping with a hornet is not an advisable idea. But there is something that I call 'Active Camping'. Staying around the same spot and picking off enemies as they approach you. But you can use cover and not get hit. Hornet's maneuverability makes it perfect for this. They are not 'using it completely wrong.'

 

*Hammer is not exactly like three rail shots in a row, but it is similar in close ranges. But hammer's play style is almost exactly opposite that of railgun. Railgun is all about timing and aiming. Hammer is the easiest mid range weapon to aim. It's range is nowhere near railgun's. The only thing similar is that Hammer has a similar reload and knock back. 

 

*This was a nice concluding sentence, but it was untrue. And nothing is ever final, and I have the right of free speech where I live. And, just to annoy you, 'AND THAT IS FINAL, SO SHUT UP' contains too many capital letters. Using too many capital letter and flooding is against the game rules. 

 

*Yes, you are going to get raged. Because you raged against us. This entire post was a personal insult against XPists. 

Next time do a better job.

1. Do some math.

2. Learn English spelling

3. Learn grammar and tenses. 

4. Try to pass third grade, maybe you'll do it this time. Seventh time's the charm. 

 

What gives you the right to pass judgement against Hornet and Rail. You said yourself that 'Railgun and hornet is the worst tank in the game' and 'BY THE WAY I HATE HORNET AND RAIL'. If you think this combination is so terrible and you hate it so much, why do you get to decide how you play it? You said yourself 'They use it completely wrong'. You don't get to determine that. With all turrets and hulls, there is almost never a 'right' or 'wrong' way to play it. There are better ways and worse ways. 

 

Have you ever watched a clan battle? It is not a rule that you have to use hornet/railguns in most clan battles, and yet they almost always do. Why do you suppose that? Because it is a gun for professionals.

Its performance is very wide. Watching bad player driving it is incredibly different from watching a good player drive it. But there is nothing wrong with the actual turret and hull. The railgun is practically an extension of your will. You see someone, you shoot, and they blow up. It is incredibly accurate, and has unlimited range. It is the most reliable gun in the game. 

And now, oh railgun, I have a little ode for you:

 

Oh behold the beauty and power of the railgun!

We remember the first time we encountered this magnificient

turret's long sleek barrel and frightening shot. At first, a small

'star' of blue light came out of the barrel. Then, as if a ray from

heaven, a blue beam of light shoots perfectly straight out of

the barrel, endlessly forward, piercing my wasp and utterly

obliterating my health bar. That was a moment frozen in time,

for all of us. We all have stood on that brink of spectacularity,

processing the fact that there is a turret so divine and above

the others. After one minute of staring at the keyboard, utterly

dumbfounded, we all rushed to the garage and bought it.

After that we all explored the mysteries of the Railgun.

Its long but worthwhile reload are on of the only things that

inspire patience in this fast paced game. Its mystical warm up,

one of its lone weaknesses. It needs skilled timing and aiming.

The mysterious way you sometimes one shot wasps is one of

the deepest enigmas in tanki, almost as mysterious as the

identity of Godmode_ON (me of course), the dates of discounts,

and what really lies on the top of Rio's skyscraper.

(Its not a dead tank, or is it? How could a dead tank have gotten

there?) Oh railgun, you are adored by all clan players. You fit

perfectly with all hulls.

The majesty of you, oh railgun, is obvious in every

aspect of your existence, and you dominance is known far and

wide. You are the turret of tank. The spiraling electromagnetic

rounds ejected from your barrel endlessly travel on, to the edge

of infinity. When you shoot, the whole battle knows about it. You

destroy multiple enemies at the same time. You promote skills

and tactics. Your supremacy, oh railgun, is undoubted.

 

 

 

You really haven't said anything bad with the actual turret and hull. You have said that it is 'probably the worst combo in the game' but not why. You have said 'Hornet and rail only ever get in the top twelve of a battle if they use supplies, that is the only reason' but not why. You have said things so blatantly false that it makes me sick, like 'Most of them spend more time blowing people up with mines than they do shooting them', though you haven't said why. And then you said that 'They use it completely wrong', as if you need to insult XP users any further. But you haven't actually said a reason why the turret and hull are inherently bad (which it isn't). 

 

If an average, normal turret and hull in the game really makes you decide to write a topic like this, then you may have some deeper problems. Supposedly you 'researched'. And you probably took along time to write your post. It must have taken you some serious rage to keep you going. If after all your 'research' and time spent writing this you didn't realize that you were wrong in almost every conceivable way, then I am not sure if you are right in the head. I would suggest seeing a therapist for counseling. 

 

I really dislike people like you, Simon. You get an Idea, but you don't actually think it all the way through. It happens a lot in online games like this one. If your topic were more well written, following English rules, punctuation, and grammar, if this post did not seem like an angry rant against XP users, and if you removed several of your points, I might take you vaguely seriously. You can't expect to write something like this and not be bombarded with messages like mine and downvotes. I sincerely hope this wins the tanki world record of the post with most downvotes. Your criticism of XP is so ludicrous that it has probably earned half of your post's upvotes. The lavishness is so exaggerated that I am not sure if it is sarcasm. 

Upvote for making me laugh with unfounded evidence and reasoning.  :lol:  :rolleyes:

 

My feelings are summed up by one word that you have said repeatedly: "Ugh."

 

Rant Over

~Snakey123

To anyone reading this: You get one snakey point if you read my entire post all the way through...

Simonkid: Not trying to insult you. I am curious what you think about this. 

Edited January 10, 2015 by S.C.Y.T.H.E

[LeIouch_Vi_Britannia 6,163]

 

give it a break,man! did you spend an hour writing all these? :blink:

(no offence)

Edited January 9, 2015 by LeIouch_Vi_Britannia

[Chameleos 157]

only 20% of players with hornet and rail in high ranks?  :huh:  i'd say a good 40% if not more, and they're only good in pairs.. meh.

[Athena369 265]

Agreed with snakey on most of the points....

[Thekillerpenguin 1,731]

1. Back in the day when XP battles started they worked out that hornet rail was probably the best comb for it because no matter what level of hornet you had 2 shots from a railgun could almost always kill it, so tankers that liked XP battles would buy it for them and just us it in regular battles too, so people got good at using it and it caught on. I don't see how this is relevant to your point. Yes, a lot of people like this combination, but it doesn't have anything to do with it being a bad idea.

 

2. Railgun and hornet in a 100% fair battle would no doubt be the worst tank going around, but the reason it is good is because 0% of battles are 100% fair so they end up winning. It's certainly not the worst tank around. I barely use supplies, and I still manage to do well with Hornet-Railgun if I'm using it.

 

3. Have you ever realised that hundreds of tankers use this comb but even less ever become good at it? This is because hornet and rail is one of the worser tanks just the 5% of people that use it know how to play and normally are only dominating noobs or players not paying attention. EXPLANATION this comb is the most popular in the game Which mean about 20% of tankers use it, so that means about 9% of all the good players are using it while all other combos have about 0.9% of good players using them so hornet and rail looks good and more people get it

There are a lot of not-so-good players who use Hornet-Railgun, sure, but that doesn't mean the combination is bad. There are bad Smokies and Thunders too. Doesn't really support your point.

4. Have you ever realised that hornet and rail (with the exception of XP battles because everyone use 'em there) that hornet and rail only ever get in the top 12 in and battle if they use supply's, that is the only reason (and good playing.) Most of them spend more time blowing people up with mines than they do shooting them. Most Hornet-Railgun players I fight against actually use fewer supplies than players using other combos.

5. they use railgun completely wrong, it is a long range weapon. it is normally used it mid range areas, also another way it is used is camping. WTH? Camping with hornet? are these guys stupid or something? If ya gonna do that use flipping Titan it works 40x better, trust me I tried it. Railgun wasn't meant to be a long-range only weapon. Note how the description says "performs well at any range". Also, Railgun's charge up time and long reload mean it's best used with light or medium hulls, since you can duck into cover immediately after firing. A Titan would take a while to duck back into cover after firing, and would end up taking more damage as a result.

 

6, the compromise, use hammer, it is like 3 railguns in a row, 1, 2, 3 then you wait for reload, and since you people don't use its range or special ability then then hammer is perfect, try it, and don't look at others and say hammer

Sucks, I have not found a good tanker that can use it yet so test your self. Hammer's not very similar to Railgun in any way except damage and impact force. In terms of strategy and range, it's completely different.

 

Conclusion, railgun is only good. Because good players use it and they drug and only ever win against noobs. Everything else is better than it and it only works in unfair battles AND THAT IS FINAL, SO SHUT UP Uh, no.

Lol I an gonna get raged at also, tank says the best players are the ones that use rail and hornet but i will answer that later. Please tell me where the administration said that the best players use Hornet-Railgun.

[Loackie 269]

 

 

4. Have you ever realised that hornet and rail (with the exception of XP battles because everyone use 'em there) that hornet and rail only ever get in the top 12 in and battle if they use supply's, that is the only reason (and good playing.) Most of them spend more time blowing people up with mines than they do shooting them. Most Hornet-Railgun players I fight against actually use fewer supplies than players using other combos. You can't be srs both of you

5. they use railgun completely wrong, it is a long range weapon. it is normally used it mid range areas, also another way it is used is camping. WTH? Camping with hornet? are these guys stupid or something? If ya gonna do that use flipping Titan it works 40x better, trust me I tried it. Railgun wasn't meant to be a long-range only weapon. Note how the description says "performs well at any range". Also, Railgun's charge up time and long reload mean it's best used with light or medium hulls, since you can duck into cover immediately after firing. A Titan would take a while to duck back into cover after firing, and would end up taking more damage as a result. "performs well at any range" there's a little thing called unwritten rules, and you'd have to have a lot of brass to fight a Hornet-Fire with Hornil-Failgun on Island. I actually agree with poster on this one.

 

 

Lol I an gonna get raged at also, tank says the best players are the ones that use rail and hornet but i will answer that later. Please tell me where the administration said that the best players use Hornet-Railgun. Possibly a conclusion from that Siberia convention or w/e it was. All winners used Hornet/Railgun, and they were previous players who were fighting people who had no previous exposure to the game.

 

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[denex12 77]

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Welcome to XP online! Though I don't agree that Railgun should be called Failgun. If you actually have variety as a rail user and use Hunter or Wasp, you'll be fine :P

 

Ahh, I just loooove saying XP online. I'm going to troll the chat with that name now xD :P

Edited January 10, 2015 by denex12

[Loackie 269]

Though I don't agree that Railgun should be called Failgun.

I call it failgun because it failed as being a piece of content. it is now THE piece of content, failing to be A piece of content killing diversity. Imagine if your starting tank was Hornet and Railgun. Only 5-10% of *cough* TO's population would be affected.

Edited January 10, 2015 by Loackie

[denex12 77]

I call it failgun because it failed as being a piece of content. it is now THE piece of content, failing to be A piece of content killing diversity. Imagine if your starting tank was Hornet and Railgun. Only 5-10% of *cough* TO's population would be affected.

Oh, oh, I get it :P

[Lord-of-the-Snipers 1,620]

If a beginner want to get skilled in TO, IMO he/she only need three ingredients:

two basic ones, but you need the third to get the best result.

 

You got to learn the two basics: steering and shooting.

In time you (got to) will learn how to combine these two.

 

You start with Hunter M0, but do switch to the Hornet M0 soon: now move and stay on the move...

 

You also start with Smoky M0, which is fine though it is a little underpowered.

Still no better way to quickly learn how to aim and shoot.

 

Stick with Hornet M0/Smoky M0 and get the Smoky M1. Now you got some real good firepower!

 

The Hornet and the Smoky are the basic ingredients IMO, they can teach you almost everything.

If you know how to play well with this combo it 's IMO and experience easy to switch

to any other combo available in Tanki Online...

 

Hmm, almost forgot about the third ingredient, the one you do need to get the best result.

Yes, @simonkid you guessed it right: the Railgun (with an R, the R of Resolute)

 

Don 't use the Rail as your primary weapon though as a beginner:

better take the Smoky for that IMO.

Use the Railgun more occasionally.

(the Smoky M1 can be used at least till the Thunder M1 appears,

or if you use a micro-upgraded Smoky M1: far beyond that...)

 

The Railgun: it 's the combination of the negative slow-reload and positive far-distance power

that will teach you a thing or two that no other weapon is capable off.

 

Using the Railgun will force you to take cover and learn the peek-a-boo,

get "sharp" in shooting and to aim carefully with every powerfull but sparse shot.

It will also force you to move to save your precious,

but inbetween the reloads defenseless skin.

In other words it can bring you close to being a complete Tanker.

 

Calling the Railgun a Failgun is funny, but Far away from Reality.

[huntcrush 2]

Before the rebalance i used railgun and hornet and was always first in my team. Currently im using shaft but im planning to get railgun with hornet again as it is truly great.

[Loackie 269]

 

Calling the Railgun a Failgun is funny, but Far away from Reality.

did you even read my post? Also, being good at XP does not mean you are good with every combination...If anything, Firebird is the most suicidal and difficult weapon to use. There's no autoaim, and glass-cannoning w/ wasp requires far more skill, because you can be taken down easily, and have to expose yourself.

[Loackie 269]

please delete, i clicked "quote" by accident, not "edit"

Edited January 10, 2015 by Loackie

[Loackie 269]

please delete, my bad.

Edited January 10, 2015 by Loackie

[LeIouch_Vi_Britannia 6,163]

you OK,loak?xD

[Loackie 269]

you OK,loak?xD

eating pizza + forums = bad idea.