valid New Supply: Flashbang Mine

[deadtoyou 2,502]

Me (deadtoyou) and my friend @AmmoMan9898 came up with a new drug called the Flashbang mine.
This would be in the 6th slot, and you would lay a Flashbang on the ground just like a mine, but you can remotely detonate it, (using the 6 key again) causing all tanks within a certain radius to see white screen for about 2-3 seconds, impeding ability to aim and drive effectively. It would have the same detection radius as the normal mine, meaning that tanks will still be able to see it, However, this drug is ONLY remotely detonated, if a tank drives over it, it will not detonate automatically. The recharge for this new drug would start right after detonation.
The color of the mine would be white to distinguish it from the regular mine.
NOTE: This mine would not cause damage.
 
Pros: B) 
This drug would be useful for quick getaways with the flag from 4-5 enemies.
It is a good defense against huge hulls, such as Mammoth or Titan.
You can detonate the Flashbang 1 second after placing it.
You can detonate the Flashbang from anywhere in the map.
 
Cons: <_< 
The drug would cost about 100 crystals. (changed from 125, we decided that was too much.)
You can only have 1 Flashbang active at any given time.
Tanks driving over the mine will not detonate it, you have to manually detonate it yourself.
You can lose points by hitting yourself or your teammates with the Flashbang. (Or, it wouldn't affect them altogether.)
The Flashbang would not cause damage. (this is because the mine might be too OP, however, we could add 10-15 damage.)

 

Problems revealed and/or pointed out by the community.  :)

 

 

I was totally for this idea.....until I saw the "vote" option of using it to get a gold box. This new drug would totally change goldboxes. It would make a lot of confusion and pretty much ruin the skill of getting gold boxes.

 

The fix:

flashbang mine is disabled when the gold box siren goes off. Mines that have been set are usable but mines cannot be put down until someone collects the gold box.

 

Other than that one thing, I am totally for this idea.  :)

After reading this, we agree, during the Gold Box, the mine should be disabled, or the drop zone disables the mine automatically, just like how the Flag disables regular mines.

 

Smoke and flash effects are known for lag even in single player games.

 

I seriously doubt something like this could be possible for Tanki without causing severe lag.

Yes, that is a valid argument, however, the smoke/flash effects would work in the new Unity version of Tanki Online, and if it's implemented in this version, smoke/flash effects could be diminished, we were thinking more along the lines of a very small white flash around the mine itself.

 

 Hopefully the white screen won't be too bright, especially for people who lean in close to the screen.

The white screen would not be that bright, just enough to block your vision.

 

I like the idea, but here are the issues I see.

 

Firstly, will everyone within visual range of this mine be affected by it? If so, it defeats the point of even being able to see it.

 

Secondly, four seconds is far too long to impair someone's visual ability in a game such as Tanki.

 

Thirdly, will this white light only affect tankers within its radius while they are in its radius? Or will it affect Tankers in its radius, and then no matter where they are the affects will have to wear off? If it is the latter, then that would be fitting of a white light flash, whereas the first point would make more sense to be smoke, for which you could simply leave behind.

1. The visual range is a bit larger than the regular mine, if you can see it, you can avoid it, but you only have to go forward a little bit to be affected. (If it actually explodes.)
2. Did I say 4? *Checks* Whoops! Around 2 seconds was what I meant, and yeah, 4 seconds is way too long.  :)
3. The Flash will affect Tanks no matter where they go after they are hit, meaning you can't just back up and make the effect go away immediately.

Thank you guys for all the feedback, and if you see any other problems, don't hesitate to point them out. :)

 

 

 

Frequently Asked Questions:

 

What is the use of the mine if there is no damage? 

The main effect is to blind the enemy, adding more than 30 damage would make the mine too OP

 

What if my keyboard is too big? I already have problems reaching the other supply keys. 

A possible solution is adding alternative keys to all the supplies, not just the Flashbang

 

Wouldn't this cause severe lag, especially with older PCs? 

Possibly, however, if Tanki Online servers are able to handle muzzle flashes, shell/projectile impacts, explosions, and other effects, then we think they can handle a small white flash around the mine.

 suggested a setting to turn the effects off, making the lag far less. (If any)

 

Shouldn't this idea wait for the Unity version?

What good thing is worth waiting for? :) But yes, we think it should be in the Unity version, but it would be a good idea to have it in this version, if nothing else, to see what players think of it.

 

Wouldn't the screen be too bright?

The brightness level would be moderated to block out your screen, but not too bright as to hurt your eyes.

 

 

Why would I use this instead of a normal mine?

The Flashbang blinds enemies, but doesn't cause too much damage. Useful ways to use this include: Fast getaways with enemies' flag, blinding Heavy Hulls while killing them (R.I.P drugger Mammoths), defense of CP points, and Gold Hunting. 

 

Would there be any defense against this mine?

No, this mine is like the regular mine in that aspect, the best defense is to avoid them.

 

What is the effective range of the mine?

In the picture, the Flash bang would be placed in the very center, and the circle radius would be large enough to reach all the dots.

NOTE: If the Developers want the range to be bigger, or they don't want a fixed range, then this would show the minimum possible range, with the maximum slightly bigger.

 

 

 

This idea would benefit from your guys' feedback, so let us know down in the comments what we could change, what you think would be a good addition, any problems you see, or just give us your opinion on this. :)

 

 

 

A picture example from Call of Duty taken by @Dragon-Judgement

 

 

Thank you Tanki Online Developers for all you do for the Tanki community!  :)

(Credits to @lordmostafa for changing the Topic Title from "New Drug: Flashbang Mine.)

[creeperskelly 1,281]

Smoke and flash effects are known for lag even in single player games.

 

I seriously doubt something like this could be possible for Tanki without causing severe lag.

[AmmoMan9898 2]

Hmm...yes, that is a valid argument, however, the smoke/flash effects would work in the new Unity version of Tanki Online, and if it's implemented in this version, smoke/flash effects could be diminished, we were thinking more along the lines of a very small white flash around the mine itself.

[deadtoyou 2,502]

Yeah, but I think that if Tanki Online servers are able to handle explosions, muzzle flashes, and shell impacts, I think that a flashbang mine is handleable. ;)

 

I'm not trying to burst your bubble @creeperskelly, I think that is a very valid point.

(Although First-Person-Shooters are quite different from Tanki)

Edited January 8, 2015 by deadtoyou

[BlitzPanzer12345 241]

u got that from counter strike , didnot u ?

:D

[Maf 32,300]

Valid
[sply]
Perhaps not a flashbang as that could be unpleasant to many players' eyes, but a smoke screen or some other kind of blinding device meant to disorient players seems like a great idea!

[deadtoyou 2,502]

u got that from counter strike , didnot u ?

:D

No, this idea is original, I have never even played Counter-Strike.

 

wait unitl unity..

I am, but wouldn't this idea work in this version of Tanki?

[liverpoolaum 811]

hey wats the use if doen't cause damage

[deadtoyou 2,502]

hey wats the use if doen't cause damage

Then the Flashbang would be too OP, causing damage AND blinding the player. 

However, I might be wrong, maybe it could have MINIMUM damage, maybe say, 10-15. :)

 

Thanks for the feedback!

Edited January 8, 2015 by deadtoyou

[Holyman_Tanki 40]

Think this is a great idea.

 

Particularly like the remote detonation aspect...

 

Could have remote detonation on ordinary mines as well. Can think of plenty of places where that would be fun to use.  :ph34r:

[deadtoyou 2,502]

Think this is a great idea.

 

Particularly like the remote detonation aspect...

 

Could have remote detonation on ordinary mines as well. Can think of plenty of places where that would be fun to use.  :ph34r:

Yeah, I've had it happen when a tank which I know will be dead soon runs over my mine when I wanted the drugger Mammoth to GET SOME.

:)

[the_blue 25]

I think it would be a good idea if it wont cause more lag. 

hopefully the whiet screen wont be too bright, especially for people who lean in close to the screen.

[deadtoyou 2,502]

I think it would be a good idea if it wont cause more lag. 

hopefully the whiet screen wont be too bright, especially for people who lean in close to the screen.

Hmm, good point...the white screen should be bright enough to block vision, but not too bright.

 

Also, you wouldn't be able to see your HUD, just the top bar. (XP, rank, crystal amount, ect.)

 

New addition: While the white screen shows, there should be a sound too, like a high-pitched ringing, (but not too high ;) R.I.P Headphones)

[deadtoyou 2,502]

Would a different effect of detonation work for the mine? We need ideas, so please don't hesitate to give feedback! :D

 

*Bump*

Edited January 9, 2015 by deadtoyou

[genak138 950]

This is actually a pretty good idea. I hope it gets considered seriously. :)

[deadtoyou 2,502]

This is actually a pretty good idea. I hope it gets considered seriously. :)

Me too. :) 

[creeperskelly 1,281]

What would be a great use of this is seeing "Gold Box to Drop Soon" and then going out and setting several to confuse people where the real drop spot is located.

[deadtoyou 2,502]

What would be a great use of this is seeing "Gold Box to Drop Soon" and then going out and setting several to confuse people where the real drop spot is located.

Lol, that would be fun...

But only one can be activated at a time....so maybe as it's falling, you could detonate one. ;)

Edited January 10, 2015 by deadtoyou

[genak138 950]

Lol, that would be fun...

But only one can be activated at a time....so maybe as it's falling, you could detonate one. ;)

lol, i would get so many more then :D

[deadtoyou 2,502]

This supply would also be useful for blind corners in tunnels.  :ph34r:

 

*Bump*

[genak138 950]

This supply would also be useful for blind corners in tunnels.  :ph34r:

 

*Bump*

Yeah, it really would be. So useful to guard your flag. That might be the problem though... too much power is CTF. Only way to balance it is make it expensive. And people dont want expensive drugs. 

[genak138 950]

This supply would also be useful for blind corners in tunnels.  :ph34r:

 

*Bump*

lol i didnt notice the word bump there until i quoted and posted. then i went and highlighted it too make sure it was there and it was!

[deadtoyou 2,502]

Yeah, it really would be. So useful to guard your flag. That might be the problem though... too much power is CTF. Only way to balance it is make it expensive. And people dont want expensive drugs. 

Yeah, the expense is 100-125 crystals.

 

Lol, *Bump*

[Mr.Ron 106]

Hmm...

NO!

 

[Para_CW 19]

Flash bang would be a useful offensive tool for CTF.  Blind the people shooting at you while you grab the flag and go.  You can grey out the screen and the slowly fade in over four seconds.  You can also blind people following you if they're close enough.

 

I do think that it should automatically trigger by running over it OR by remote detonation.  Whichever comes first.