Drugging wastes more crystals than you think

[deadmanrising 715]

A drug costs 50 crystals, just one drug while a health box costs 150 crystals.For the prize fund to be 500 crystals you would roughly have to play for 20 mintues, since 2-5 crystals are earnt for every kill depending on what rank you are, playing with no drugs.

 

Lets calculate this scenario, pro battle pass where you can use all drugs at a time, you play arena with one opponent, you and your opponent are the same rank and have the same turret and tank so each kill earns the same amount of crystals. Now playing with drugs , you can accumalate more kills and if succesful take more of the prize fund, but using one double power, (dp) one double armor (da) and of course one speed (s) would already cost you 150 crystals if you were to rebuy them and you havent even used your healthbox

 

150 crystals per dp, da and s, those 150 crystals at a time you use to enhance gameplay won't increase the prize fund any more than if your opponent killed you but will instead accelerate it, so instead of 20 mintues you play with your opponent to accumate a total battle fund of 500 crystals, you would only have to play for 15, that's great assuming that you earn more crystals per the extra 5 mintues, but the extra savings made barely would make much of a difference.

 

You only have 5 hours left to play, that's 15 battles you can play arena with your opponent, every mintue you play you use 3 drugs, every 2 mintues assuming your opponent caused damage to your tank you pull out your health box, every 3 mintues, you die

 

The total loss of crystals for 1 battle including health boxes would be just over 2000 crystals, the prize fund you would earn for that amount of time playing would be 500 crystals, because you used drugs against your opponent as an advantage, the prize fund accelerates to 700

 

Even if you took the whole 700, the loss of crystals you would have earnt would be - 35%, almost twice the prize fund (1400 crystals)

 

Times that by 15 and the total loss of crystals for drugs would be a grand total of 21000 crystals, compared to your earnings, 10500 crystals, you would have had double what youve earnt, and taking into account your opponent killed you, the loss of earnings would be far greater, and now drug every day and add this up everyday; 20k, 40k... 40k, 80k... etc the numbers become really scary, this is just a basic calculation and estimation on how much crystals you guys trash! Which is why i limit my drugging as much as possible if not at all

 

Before smart cooldowns, this was the amount of crystals some of you lot were wasting.... With smart cooldowns and playing normal battles you wouldn't be using so much drugs at a time, so the loss of crystals for drugs would be around 15k in this instance but still, it aint worth it

Edited January 27, 2015 by deadmanrising

[kayitsiz 621]

So, you have to keep "drugger position". SCD made drugging so different.

Probably I can't explain that to you.

 

Get Mammoth-Thunder and use drug in Desert DM.

[deadmanrising 715]

So, you have to keep "drugger position". SCD made drugging so different.

Probably I can't explain that to you.

 

Get Mammoth-Thunder and use drug in Desert DM.

Your playing 1 vs 1 in arena dm and your both the same rank and have the same tank, that's what i calculated

 

You still lose loads of crystals, thats the point :p

[kayitsiz 621]

Your playing 1 vs 1 in arena dm and your both the same rank and have the same tank, that's what i calculated

 

You still lose loads of crystals, thats the point :P

So, you have to find good situations.

 

 

I agree with you. But thiink my example a bit.

 

This is real and happened on Christmas x2 fund days.

 

At least 8 player are in game, 3 full drugger thunder-mammoth team is on open area. They feed from falling boxes, also they use double power. İf they got near dying, they use double armor and heal immediately. Damage, range and defence is great. Sightseeing is great.

 

I tried to use full drug with Smoky-Dictator. Result: Rage quit!  :(  :angry:

 

Can you say "drugs waste crys" there? I don't think so.

 

You have to start drugging immediately and find a way to keep that.

 

 

 

 

And don't use drug for Arena 1 vs 1  :lol:

Edited January 27, 2015 by kayitsiz

[r_DidYouKnowThat0 1,662]

It doesn't waste ANY crystals for me.

All drugs earned from Dailies and other events (e.g. The Game).

Edited January 27, 2015 by r_DidYouKnowThat0

[ll.DonT.Even.Try.ll 513]

I don't care, I get 50-60 supplies a day as a daily bonus and I am insane drugger, but still have +6000 of each ok (mines 8000)

[Longcat970 119]

Drug cost equation is void if you don't buy drugs at all. I'll assume most TO players in their right mind wouldn't buy them en masse without a sale going on.

 

The real costs are just how many drugs you have left remaining. That pains me more than having to buy them...

[jazz20 1,181]

 

it kind of hurts reading the red text....just saying.

 

 

 

I don't care, I get 50-60 supplies a day as a daily bonus and I am insane drugger, but still have +6000 of each ok (mines 8000)

excellent example of a full-time drugger. Won't be joining any of your battles anytime soon......

[ThouShallNot 963]

Crystal buyers spend about 10k in drugs and in battle funds they earn like 4k hhhh

[Maf 32,300]

It's not about wasting supplies. It's about sending a message.  :ph34r:

If you got the reference you can have a cookie

 

But to be honest, as long as you're not short on supplies you shouldn't worry about "making a profit" when using then, because the supplies are given to you for free every day. Buying them individually with no sale is a complete waste of crystals, so I strongly suggest everyone to not do it. Personally, I bought the 1000 supply kit at a 70% sale and then it also got doubled with the supply update, so now I have over 4k of each supply. Also, one of the best strategies for accumulating supplies is starting a new account (alt) and playing with it, while only collecting the daily bonus on your main acc. If your main is a Generalissimo, then you'll be getting 200 supplies every 3 days, so after 2-3 months of collecting bonuses you will have 1000 more than before, provided that you don't get anything other than supplies.

 

My point is that you should have enough supplies to not worry about wasting them so you can always use them in battle and have fun, rather than spend the whole game trying to pay off the cost of the supplies you use. This is a game after all and you come to have fun, so why should you worry about what you spend in battles?

[wild001 786]

I got 80+ free drug from daily bonus, still 300+ each since I drug only in critical moments, like overtaken, defense, CTF,

 

I dont drug in losing battle or surely 100% winning battle

 

drugging = a process of turning Drug into Crystal

[Pathfinder 1,690]

I'm dubious about your assumptions about the amount of drugs used per time, especially since most don't play unlimited drugs on PRO, and most aren't proper hardcore druggers (I for one tend to just use the odd DP of DD when I need it), but yes I think if you buy drugs from the garage, in most cases you'll be wasting money :)

 

But if I'm drugging from free daily bonuses, that's a different story, as wild said converting free drugs into crystals, and fun!

Edited January 28, 2015 by Pathfinder

[Holyman_Tanki 40]

I don't use drugs in order to earn crystals.

 

I can buy crystals.

 

I cannot buy XP.

 

I use drugs in order to increase the amount of XP I earn.

 

B)

[fluctuation123 3,435]

Good points. And I too hate drugging. Now about the daily bonuses i have an observation. It is highly skewed toward da and nitro. The most profitable drugs hp and dp, and mines are not given as frequently as the first two. Same for the crystal bonuses, i rarely get it. So sometimes i have to buy 4/5 hp for goldboxes.

[deadmanrising 715]

It's not about wasting supplies. It's about sending a message.  :ph34r:

If you got the reference you can have a cookie

 

But to be honest, as long as you're not short on supplies you shouldn't worry about "making a profit" when using then, because the supplies are given to you for free every day. Buying them individually with no sale is a complete waste of crystals, so I strongly suggest everyone to not do it. Personally, I bought the 1000 supply kit at a 70% sale and then it also got doubled with the supply update, so now I have over 4k of each supply. Also, one of the best strategies for accumulating supplies is starting a new account (alt) and playing with it, while only collecting the daily bonus on your main acc. If your main is a Generalissimo, then you'll be getting 200 supplies every 3 days, so after 2-3 months of collecting bonuses you will have 1000 more than before, provided that you don't get anything other than supplies.

 

My point is that you should have enough supplies to not worry about wasting them so you can always use them in battle and have fun, rather than spend the whole game trying to pay off the cost of the supplies you use. This is a game after all and you come to have fun, so why should you worry about what you spend in battles?

Ok thats true, taking into account kits and saving supplies some would hardly have to buy drugs, but others will choose to use them and to enhance gameplay your going to have to use a lot, its harder to save from daily bonuses than i originally thought

[kayitsiz 621]

Ok thats true, taking into account kits and saving supplies some would hardly have to buy drugs, but others will choose to use them and to enhance gameplay your going to have to use a lot, its harder to save from daily bonuses than i originally thought

İf drugs weren't wasting crys, allone woud buy them with their free crys so there wouldn't be any drugger so crystal buyer for drug.

 

They buy drug without thinking economy and spoil our game.

Edited January 28, 2015 by kayitsiz

[Nltobh 498]

i never buy "supplies" they come from events and dailies all my crys go to MU'es and to get my next m3 tank or turret

[Kevred 1,586]

Drugs' real value is lower than their garage price, as most of them are obtained, for most players, through daily bonuses. So as long as you don't buy any drugs, you're basically not spending a single crystal.

[deadmanrising 715]

Drugs' real value is lower than their garage price, as most of them are obtained, for most players, through daily bonuses. So as long as you don't buy any drugs, you're basically not spending a single crystal.

I had to wait weeks to save up to 500, it really aint easy and you have to be dedicated not to touch them

[CombatCat2 248]

I get all my drugs from daily bonus, so I'm not spending or losing any crystals by drugging.

I had to wait weeks to save up to 500, it really aint easy and you have to be dedicated not to touch them

Play The Game when they do it, you get a ton of drugs from it. I always have over 600 of each.

[austlee 56]

I have just about 7k of dp, da and nitro, about 3k health boxes, and over 8k mines. It's hard, but its definitely nice to see all those supplies, and I am not a buyer.

[r_Zesx0 39]

I'm dubious about your assumptions about the amount of drugs used per time, especially since most don't play unlimited drugs on PRO, and most aren't proper hardcore druggers (I for one tend to just use the odd DP of DD when I need it), but yes I think if you buy drugs from the garage, in most cases you'll be wasting money :)

 

But if I'm drugging from free daily bonuses, that's a different story, as wild said converting free drugs into crystals, and fun!

So, then due to the high amount of supplies you get almost every day for free, wouldn't that mathematically mean that supplies should all be like x10 less expensive or somewhat like that in order to have purchased supplies benefit to you at all? Either that or supplies need to be removed from garage purchase completely, however that doesn't seem like a legit way, as some people might have collected a lot and not played for a while, while others play occasionally and then those who would play occasionally would run out of supplies or be low, while those who collected a lot could press buttons 1 - 5 all they want for the rest of the day at least!

 

I know this is a fascistic/communistic type of forum, due to the high amount of rules, a lot of which disallow anything being said/criticized towards developers of the game, however, I believe this is only to suspend riots and people wanting certain parts of the game changed. This means, that whatever we say here will be ignored or simply just removed and the person will get banned. The evil part of the Alternativa Platform (though, when you think about it, everything about the company is evil really). "Go back to sleep, Tankers, your developers are in charge of you and the game again!"

 

We can't change anything about the supplies, no matter what we say here while it's only a few of us realizing it.

Edited January 30, 2015 by r_Zesx0

[deadmanrising 715]

I get all my drugs from daily bonus, so I'm not spending or losing any crystals by drugging.

Play The Game when they do it, you get a ton of drugs from it. I always have over 600 of each.

Who says i didn't :p, i was also reffering to players who didn't participate

[beaku 2,656]

I currently have over 2k drugs. How did I get them??

Daily bonuses.

The Game( seriously I got over 400 drugs from here)

Double drugs during Smart Supplies.

Betting on Noobest during star series. (if I am not wrong)

Edited February 1, 2015 by beaku

[dfoofnik 341]

I don't care, I get 50-60 supplies a day as a daily bonus and I am insane drugger, but still have +6000 of each ok (mines 8000)

On the other hand, maybe you should look at that thing called Upgrading.

There are 3.5 good reasons to drug:

1) you are so far from home that you just need one extra chance to survive (Repair)

2) the enemy is drugging DA so to have a chance, you use DD

3) respawn will cost you a flag (DA or DD worth the cost to win the battle)

...and...one player has killed you three times, and you just want to make a point -- you will be their rank one day ;-)

 

I use NO MORE than 5 DA, always when I have just been killed so that I just get a shot before it happens again

(with spawn killers, it's time to press Pause and wait for the end of the game)