Reduce power of garage supplies

[RustyNail 1,538]

when a tanker has a lot of supplies, obviously he would use it at least moderately, the reason they have 2, 3 drugs on is cuz of pickups that your team FAIL to pick up either due to lack of skill or poor luck, and normally, druggers have good equipment and skill to begin with

LOL That was good indeed! :D  Do you know any other (joke)?

 

When a tankman (tanker is a ship that carries oil) has lots of supplies, that is because he bought the kit that contains lots of supplies.

The reason that they CONSTANTLY (notice the word constantly there is a reason I use it) have 2 or 3 (plus the repair kit at hand)  is that they start with one or two and they pick anything that can be found on the way. Luck, or even worse skill, have nothing to do with it. (notice also that the hammer bird in the first pics has its turret straight - that is always a sign of great skill LOL)

 

The one thing that you said and is real 100% is that those who drug like hell have also the best equipment, making even bigger the difference in power in regard to other, normal players.

[Thomas_Sun 25]

Are the admins reading this topic? There must be some solution also for the players, that don’t want use the drugs.. For example a new pass that allow to create the battles without supplies, but not for the price of pro pass. It must be cheaper that really everybody could by it. Or set up the maximum use of supply, for example 2-3 of each supply pro battle. Or we can try to put together the players, that want to play tanki only with their own skills and invite them to the battles.

 

We played with friends yesterday  (Island 3 vs.3) and we was really disappointed because came 2 drugers and massacred our.

I pleased them to stop the using supply because we are not using them and the answer was something about „fy my family“ etc.. really professionals..

I have no problem to lose again skilled player, I don’t need to earn  thousand of crystals, I want only to play and enjoy the match, but in the last time is there a problem to find a battle with “common” players.

 

If there is some possibility how can I personally change this today’s situation, please let me know it.

[Excyte 569]

Play a PRO battle. No drugs allowed.

They are allowed its just how you make the battle ^^

[beaku 2,656]

They are allowed its just how you make the battle ^^

Lol... Look at the date I posted that. :lol:

[r_priyangshu0 270]

Lol... Look at the date I posted that. :lol:

The option is still the same though. :mellow:

[deadmanrising 715]

Im looking at this from a business point of view, when all 3 drugs are activated at once, it is more expensive, therefore everyone will buy 3 drugs at once because that is the trend, therefore drugging is more expensive, and costly

 

When you bring smart cooldowns into it, drugging becomes a whole lot easier, as a result it is cheaper, and more people will do it seeing as it will not affect their expenses that badly..

 

And this is the issue, using all 3 drugs at once makes you less skillful, because you have no cooldowns, you have an urge to use your health or your other supplies straight away, making you easier to kill and more of an alert to your team members, less people can afford to do it and therefore matches are not that disrupted..

 

Where as with smart cooldowns, drugging is cheaper, majority can afford to do it, even non buyers and small buyers, and as a result, the game is becoming more and more oppressive and battles ruined, and are not worth playing anymore, world of tanks does not have this issue, but this update i find as a result is one of the worst in history

 

If you kept the ability to use 3 supplies at once and then nerf the supplies in order to make it more balanced in gameplay, such an update might have had a positive effect for both the company and the players, but instead its all about selling too much power, and allowing such players to come in and carelessly ruin battles for their pleasure and no one elses.

[Brubook 1,161]

This is what Tanki is all about

 

 

A permanent drugs sale!

 

And this is what will cause its death too!

 

The bad sentiment, bad feeling and unsatisfaction is growing like a virus into Tanki veins ... and they still don't want to see a doctor! (75.000 players daily top is the proof of an unstoppable downhill trend to disaster)

They are encouraging the worst behaviour on young minds ... they are telling them that there is a shortcut to any situation in life, often just opening a wallet

 

... but ...

 

beside moral aspects, they are also ruin themselves ... greed and shortsight ... the keywords!

 

And they don't want to talk, they don't want to solve the problem, they don't want to do the job they are paid for!

[beaku 2,656]

^If you remember, the old drug kits were much cheaper.

[moarkrabs 6]

the way I see it is that people have the right to drug as they please :) .I mean tanki is a game of WAR! and war isn't always fair.  the army who is well fed and armed and trained is more likely going to win than one that's poorly equipped .as for high to mid rank levels many have supplies and a skillset with a specific turret and hull combo. supplies are meant to give you an edge to defeat opponents and to even secure victory to your team. Yes some may call druggers cowards and unfair but that's what war is, win or lose,  but those that drug are praised for actually saving a team from near defeat.in a world where drugging is treated as a serious law to be broken it takes bravery to be the very first one to activate all 2 or 3 drugs in front of the opposing teams face! I actually want more people to experience the fun of drugging  because there 're some people who are afraid to drug because they will be called a unskilled coward :( .but to make a long story short YOU HAVE A  RIGHT TO DRUG! if someone tells calls you a noob for drugging just drug even harder they are just asking for defeat.

[Baby_Sam 614]

@moarkrabs, you are missing the point like too many who came before you and commented before reading the thread well.

[moarkrabs 6]

@moarkrabs, you are missing the point like too many who came before you and commented before reading the thread well.

ive actually read the thread but WAR IS WAR its win or lose, survival of the fittest ,only the well equipped and trained win and show no mercy to the enemy

[moarkrabs 6]

btw Tanki wont be Tanki without drugs, drugs are here to stay im siding for the druggers even though  im not a heavy drugger myself  but I really support it. its so fun to flatten peoples tanks  into scrap metal before they have a chance to react. especially with skills combined they turn any average joe into an dangerous, unstoppable, one man army, to punish the enemy hard :o ! now have the whole team do that and its a flawless and epic victory.

[HellfireCommando 179]

the way I see it is that people have the right to drug as they please :) .I mean tanki is a game of WAR! and war isn't always fair.  the army who is well fed and armed and trained is more likely going to win than one that's poorly equipped .as for high to mid rank levels many have supplies and a skillset with a specific turret and hull combo. supplies are meant to give you an edge to defeat opponents and to even secure victory to your team. Yes some may call druggers cowards and unfair but that's what war is, win or lose,  but those that drug are praised for actually saving a team from near defeat.in a world where drugging is treated as a serious law to be broken it takes bravery to be the very first one to activate all 2 or 3 drugs in front of the opposing teams face! I actually want more people to experience the fun of drugging  because there 're some people who are afraid to drug because they will be called a unskilled coward :( .but to make a long story short YOU HAVE A  RIGHT TO DRUG! if someone tells calls you a noob for drugging just drug even harder they are just asking for defeat.

They're asking for a fair game.

 

Despite this game having tanks, and it being a war game, it's a game. A game is meant to be fun, and these games, fun is what the player base is looking for. Make this a game like real war, and it's not enjoyable. Why? Well, tell me, is real war enjoyable? When I joing, say a noise CTF, I'm expecting to have fun. Go around, heal teamates, help capture some flags. What I'm expecting, but really don't enjoy is being stampeded by 10 druggers. Seriously. Even if you can tell me 20 people who are fine with that, 20 people does not = an entire player base. Also, drugging is fun, because you have these non-druggers to destroy with your drugs. Take those people away, suddenly it's not as fun, is it?

 

When you drug, you're giving yourself the satisfaction of being this 'king', however others are thinking *I'm just going to quit now*, and for people on your team, they get to do nothing, while you destroy their entire team single handedly. When you drug, you're not just affecting the opponent, you're affecting your team. They're now the equivalent of cannon fodder when you go heavy drugging. And who likes being cannon fodder? You ruin the game for pretty much everyone when you go in guns blazing, full drugs with atleast 2 others. Your team gets to do nothing, the enemy gets killed, only you and maybe a few others have fun.

[HellfireCommando 179]

btw Tanki wont be Tanki without drugs, drugs are here to stay im siding for the druggers even though  im not a heavy drugger myself  but I really support it. its so fun to flatten peoples tanks  into scrap metal before they have a chance to react. especially with skills combined they turn any average joe into an dangerous, unstoppable, one man army, to punish the enemy hard :o ! now have the whole team do that and its a flawless and epic victory

I agree, drugs are to stay, but they shouldn't be to rule, like you describe in your post.

 

Also, yes, war is war, but tanki is a game, and a game is a game. Not a game is war

[moarkrabs 6]

They're asking for a fair game.

 

Despite this game having tanks, and it being a war game, it's a game. A game is meant to be fun, and these games, fun is what the player base is looking for. Make this a game like real war, and it's not enjoyable. Why? Well, tell me, is real war enjoyable? When I joing, say a noise CTF, I'm expecting to have fun. Go around, heal teamates, help capture some flags. What I'm expecting, but really don't enjoy is being stampeded by 10 druggers. Seriously. Even if you can tell me 20 people who are fine with that, 20 people does not = an entire player base. Also, drugging is fun, because you have these non-druggers to destroy with your drugs. Take those people away, suddenly it's not as fun, is it?

 

When you drug, you're giving yourself the satisfaction of being this 'king', however others are thinking *I'm just going to quit now*, and for people on your team, they get to do nothing, while you destroy their entire team single handedly. When you drug, you're not just affecting the opponent, you're affecting your team. They're now the equivalent of cannon fodder when you go heavy drugging. And who likes being cannon fodder? You ruin the game for pretty much everyone when you go in guns blazing, full drugs with atleast 2 others. Your team gets to do nothing, the enemy gets killed, only you and maybe a few others have fun.

let me tell you something then. you do realize there are many games in every server to go to so I can play a normal or go crazy on all my drugs. I join the loosing side sometimes for a reason and that is for an epic excuse to drug. there were many times my team actually wanted me to drug because we were so far into the game, and im talking about back then  where you can play a game with no timer with out a pass and even today my team wants to win and they even drug to do so.even if I lose the battle the people who stay will continue to try to survive the drug onslaught that envelops them all until they leave.and what do you do with the drugs you earn for a daily bonus then,if you don't drug are you just letting them collect dust or something but still I don't think they will get rid of drugs so deal with it and so will the other thousands of players. yes I been lost to druggers before countless time but ive learned my lessons and will drug if drugged upon.

[RustyNail 1,538]

There is no "non drugging stereotype", there is only "pay-to-win-stereotype".

Equals to best equipment AND constant drugging.

But it's mostly Tanki to blame for that. They made this game so expensive, they are going to have some unpleasant surprises....

[asghar-1 15]

Once these updates are implemented, TankiOnline will achieve its final form and no more ideas will be considered but instead all resources will be spent on unity.

 

~~Semyon in V-Log 47

[RustyNail 1,538]

One more proposal in regard to supplies used together.

Maybe the "power" of the supply is relative to the use of any other, in a way like smart cooldowns.

That is, a supply gives 100% its power when used alone

If another one is added , then they both give 75% of their power.

If a third is added, then all three fall to 50% of their power.

 

Same applies for repair kit in regard to other supplies.

If applied when one other supply is activated, it gives 100% restore of health.

If applied when two supplies are active, then it restores 75% of health.

If applied when all three are active, then it restores only 50% of health.

 

Thus, the more one uses supplies, the less strong they are.

[racer22_online 206]

Moarkrabs cements my view that we have 2 main camps in Tanki:

(Although I suspect 1 camp is much bigger than the other.)

1. Those that prefer to have a good 'sport'.

2. Those that seem to accept that annihilation is okay (or ideal) (some of these even complain that the losing side quit too easily (= clueless in my book!)

These two groups should not be mixed on the same battlefield because it causes poor sport and massive imbalance (players quit): - more anon...***

 

Proposal:

The current "standard mode" could be named "Annihilation Mode" (or something more acceptable to Tanki ("Supplies Mode") but we will probably know it as "Druggi Mode")

A new standard mode OPTION, could be called "Sport Mode" = same as Standard Mode but each side allowed say Max of 3 of each garage drug to be used every 15 mins (or similar), the aim being to prevent the serial druggers.

When a battle is setup - it is either setup as "Supplies Mode" or "Sport Mode".  This way Tanki does not have to make the choice for us - i.e. we decide.

AND we still have Pro Mode if ever Tanki can make that more popular (and yes we know RU1 is best for XP/BP).

 

*** From time to time it could be fun to setup battles between Druggers and Sportsmen - on either 'home ground'.

We could even have a special paint for Druggers and a paint for Sportsmen!  (For now use Black or Blue (Druggers) v Red or Holiday (Sportsmen).

I.e. we play the drugs battles on the drugs home ground and then we play the limited drugs battles (sports battles) on the sportsmen home ground.

These will be "grudge" matches which I think will be very popular.  I suspect this process will probably prove the 'sportsman home ground' has the best battles (most balanced = most entertainment).

Tanki may even find we buy more drugs to use when fighting on the drugs home ground!

A weakness to my plan is that we will probably find the number of people admitting to be druggers and wanting to wear the drugger paint will not be as many as we think.  I.e. the typical drugger does not see themselves as a drugger!  We will probably have to tell them to change paint!

 

We also need to find a way to invite both sides together - but just wearing the relevant paint will help.

We don't even have to wait for Tanki - we can just tell new players on arrival in a battle what the paint means and what kind of match is being played - we can keep a voluntary count of garage drugs used in the sportsmen matches.

Even just a little commitment to using less garage drugs will solve most problems in the game at present - expect 1 or 2 abusers will still happen but not enough to worry me, especially if we gang up on them.

 

I have recently played good matches on Highland, Madness and I always love Massacre.  On Monte Carlo my new M2 Wasp can now jump the bridges without nitro = game winner.  M2 Wasp with Nitro is just awesome on all maps.  So good, I have stopped using my lower accounts at present!  and maybe tankers appear to be using less drugs - possibly awaiting the double funds days and finding other ways to stock up on drugs?

 

By the way, I recently played a set of 4 * 15min Pro Mode matches without garage drugs and without air drops - all very calm and balanced - however, it seemed too 'tame' for me and I was actually getting bored (repetitive)! - my Wasp needs Nitro from time to time (most fun) and air drops help provide variety en route to the enemy base and in my attack method.  It always amazes me how bad I am when I get the full Christmas tree! - over boldness means I usually die on the first Thunder/Hammer I meet with DD (= most of them) :0)

 

Next up - do my own voting system to see how many supporters we have (or not)?

 

Please paste the following on ALL forum messages until Tanki respond:

(We need to save Tanki from the Druggers - i.e. they can use Pro Mode (RIP).

Please will Tanki respond to the huge forum thread named:  ideas and suggestions > Drugs - The only today Tanki strategy to win a battle:

- the game balance is once again being ruined by a few druggers.  Tanki has become "Druggi Online" and is losing supporters.)

[racer22_online 206]

As promised - do my own voting system to see how many supporters we have (or not).

Since Tanki will not be keen to allow us to vote on 'drug issues', I have come up with a crude mechanism (protest vote):

I.e. if all the tankers who read this and want more controlled drug use (or not) in Tanki, will copy and paste this into a series of updates - we will get a massive thread to show what we think.

The following is the bit to copy and paste into your answer: (and keep the yellow bit - until Tanki answer)

 

Please feel free to add new options if you wish.

You may add a 'vote' to any item you wish (no minus votes).

1.         I want Tanki to do something about the over use of Supplies in 'standard mode'                            Vote Count:1

2.         I want Tanki to help make Pro Mode more popular (cheaper) (so we can make us of it)                    Vote Count:1

3.         Because Pro Mode is not popular - I would like Tanki to provide 2 modes in standard mode - 'Sport More' with 'less drugs' and 'Supplies Mode' (as is) = tanker choice                        Vote Count:1

            (The 'less drugs' option could be done simply by extending the smart cooldown time - or limiting garage drugs use to say Max 3 of each kind per 15 minutes.)

4.         I would like 2 special paints (no protection) - 1 for people who are 'Sport Mode' Players and 1 for people who are 'Supplies Mode' Players               Vote Count:1

            (This will allow 'grudge' matches from the two opposing camps to be played on each others 'home ground' ('Sport Mode' or 'Supplies Mode'.)

5.         I would like Tanki to try a one day experiment where the 'leading side' gets longer smart cooldown times the more they go into the lead - this could be a Pro Mode option.            Vote Count:1

            (Aim to help balance the matches the longer the battle goes on - effectively make the weaker side stronger the more they go behind.)

6.         I would like Tanki to try a one day experiment where only 1 garage drug can be activated at a time (including dropped supplies)      Vote Count:1

7.         After each 'experiment' listed above - Tanki should do a poll to see what Tankers think (and ideally act on the results).            Vote Count:1

8.         I'm happy with Tanki 'standard mode' as it is           Vote Count:0

9.         I think all the people who want reduced drugs in 'standard mode' are old farts                   Vote Count:0

10.       I don't have time to read this thread and I think all tankers should just pay up and use Pro Mode              Vote Count:0

11.       If Tanki can sell me non performance related items (T-shirts, special markers ('bling') on my tank) then I will be a buyer   Vote Count:1

 

on Point 2 - I'm happy if Tanki adjust the price of Pro Mode each month to prevent it being too popular - i.e. no more than approx 50% of Pro Mode battles at each rank (500 crystals for Pro Mode is a starting point).

Point 4 could lead to more drugs being bought and used! (Tanki take note.)  I for one would love to blast all those druggers off the map at almost any cost!

 

Please paste the following on ALL forum messages until Tanki respond:

(We need to save Tanki from the druggers - i.e. they can use Pro Mode (RIP) sic.

Please will Tanki respond to the huge forum thread named:  ideas and suggestions > Drugs - The only today Tanki strategy to win a battle:

- the game balance is once again being ruined by a few druggers.  Tanki has become "Druggi Online" and is losing supporters.)

[thunderousrailgunner 1,934]

To Hazel:- 
What makes you to Not Close this Topic :P ?

[RustyNail 1,538]

To Hazel:- 

What makes you to Not Close this Topic :P ?

Players can always open another one.

It's the issue that has to be dealt, not the free expression of players. -_-

[kayitsiz 621]

To Hazel:- 

What makes you to Not Close this Topic :P ?

This would cause a rage.

[thunderousrailgunner 1,934]

Players can always open another one.

It's the issue that has to be dealt, not the free expression of players. -_-

I Too Know that , But There should be a Decision Overall , Whether its good or Bad :)

[thunderousrailgunner 1,934]

This would cause a rage.

Well They Don't Understand What i Meant I Not Even Opposed Anybody, Thats why Their Rage is in the Form of Downvotes ,