Reduce power of garage supplies

[The-Operator219 1,929]

Are you referring to my use of Vulcan, sir?

I'm actually decent at defending.

[BSG-62 512]

​No i am referring to my use of Thunder. Shoot a guy. Shoot another and another and another and another and etc.

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

Is it bad that the main way I make my crystals is by going into high-rank 60-minute battles that are about to end, garnering 100 points or so, and coming out of it with 500+ crystals? I feel conflicted about this -- if I'm going to play with the high ranks I want to get a good reward, but at the same time it feels kinda cheap.

IMHO that depends on the situation and skills:

• If lower ranked players join late, so that their presence doesn't make much of a difference regarding winning/loosing -> I think this is ok. In Team battles the fund is shared between the teams according to flags - and the player did not make my team loose a flag. The fund inside the team is shared by points - and if the low ranked player worked for his points, he deserves his share of the fund as well.
• If lower ranked players join early to gather points and get a solid share of a pretty high fund.. and their team looses because of them as they are the weakest ones, and they don't work hard -> I think this is selfish and wrong.
• If lower ranked players join early, and fight as hard as they can; reflect positive to hints and tips by their team; try to fill up a missing spot in the defense or offense.. then they are highly welcome to me. As obvisouly they are weaker.. but they try to learn. If such players are bullied out, I often write in the chat to my team, that they should let them do their job, they fight and work hard; and we all have been lower ranked once ago.

So does your presence influence the outcome of the battle in a negative way?

[The-Operator219 1,929]

I'm not taunted very often, but the enemy tends to say "vulcan noob" when I prevent them from escaping with the flag.

[deadmanrising 715]

I wonder after tanki x if the developers would at least make some sort of change or confirmation that this topic is being taken into consideration, if not then it might as well be closed, it would be funny if it could reach 500 pages :D

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

IMHO that depends on the situation and skills:

• If lower ranked players join late, so that their presence doesn't make much of a difference regarding winning/loosing -> I think this is ok. In Team battles the fund is shared between the teams according to flags - and the player did not make my team loose a flag. The fund inside the team is shared by points - and if the low ranked player worked for his points, he deserves his share of the fund as well.
• If lower ranked players join early to gather points and get a solid share of a pretty high fund.. and their team looses because of them as they are the weakest ones, and they don't work hard -> I think this is selfish and wrong.
• If lower ranked players join early, and fight as hard as they can; reflect positive to hints and tips by their team; try to fill up a missing spot in the defense or offense.. then they are highly welcome to me. As obvisouly they are weaker.. but they try to learn. If such players are bullied out, I often write in the chat to my team, that they should let them do their job, they fight and work hard; and we all have been lower ranked once ago.

So does your presence influence the outcome of the battle in a negative way?

I don't think that my presence influences the outcome of the battle that much. In fact, one recent one that I joined (Polygon CP) during the last 20 minutes of the battle, the team turned the score from a 110:140 to a 170:160 (give or take some). It could just be a coincidence, or I may have contributed to the team. *shrugs*

 

At any rate, I do honestly try my best to help the team win. I know I'm a weaker player than some of the "big guys", but hey, my souped-up Firebird can stand toe-to-toe with Firebird or Freeze M2. As long as I end up getting a reasonable amount of points (150 for 15 min, 300 for 30 min, 600 for 60 min) I think I'm helping...

[The-Operator219 1,929]

I defend and support the attackers.

I have no idea exactly how much of an outcome I make, but everyone always says I'm one of the nicer players.

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

I do honestly try my best to help the team win / I think I'm helping...

Then there is no need for doubts - keep going :)

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

Just played another hour of Polygon CP. Ate a banana, ran into a pretty nice guy, had trouble with a couple druggers, reported a guy trying to buy accounts, and ended off the round with over 1000 crystals. Not bad.

 

Well one of the druggers, Black_of_Georgian, apparently doesn't drug much. He's got a record of about 12 dph (is this seriously a thing now? XD)... which is surprisingly lower than mine. I average at about 22 dph -- most of them being nitros. I guess he was just on a drugging spree...

[BSG-62 512]

^ How did he get M2 Dictator though?

[The-Operator219 1,929]

Just played another hour of Polygon CP. Ate a banana, ran into a pretty nice guy, had trouble with a couple druggers, reported a guy trying to buy accounts, and ended off the round with over 1000 crystals. Not bad.

 

Well one of the druggers, Black_of_Georgian, apparently doesn't drug much. He's got a record of about 12 dph (is this seriously a thing now? XD)... which is surprisingly lower than mine. I average at about 22 dph -- most of them being nitros. I guess he was just on a drugging spree...

Probably better than my record, I only drug when I've saved up supplies.

[Kid95 67]

It's quite a while since I went scrolling through the forum, and I'm happy I found this topic. I'm sick of people trying to prove that drugs are the way to win. One moment you have a clean game happening, till some nutcase comes in and starts tearing up the game with drugs, then everyone else follows. More people are leaving Tanki and this is one of the reasons. But if the devs aren't going to listen to us they might as well deal with this game eventually coming to an end someday. I'm sick of it, and I'm extremely angry and frustrated at what I see. And that's why I'm talking like this (I'd probably talk a lot worse than this but I got to respect forum rules while my mind is sane enough to do so).

 

Either create a one or 2 drug(s) at a time mechanism, or remove drugs altogether. That will bring this game back to life, I feel. It's sheer disrespect when players who play a clean game are being  messed around by druggers, and it's disrespect from everyone who makes it possible and I need not specify that to make my words clear.

 

Just really angry right now that I'm throwing out everything over here. 

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

^ How did he get M2 Dictator though?

*shrugs* Probably some sort of kit... I'm not sure.

 

 

It's quite a while since I went scrolling through the forum, and I'm happy I found this topic. I'm sick of people trying to prove that drugs are the way to win. One moment you have a clean game happening, till some nutcase comes in and starts tearing up the game with drugs, then everyone else follows. More people are leaving Tanki and this is one of the reasons. But if the devs aren't going to listen to us they might as well deal with this game eventually coming to an end someday. I'm sick of it, and I'm extremely angry and frustrated at what I see. And that's why I'm talking like this (I'd probably talk a lot worse than this but I got to respect forum rules while my mind is sane enough to do so).

 

Either create a one or 2 drug(s) at a time mechanism, or remove drugs altogether. That will bring this game back to life, I feel. It's sheer disrespect when players who play a clean game are being  messed around by druggers, and it's disrespect from everyone who makes it possible and I need not specify that to make my words clear.

 

Just really angry right now that I'm throwing out everything over here. 

Hey, welcome to the topic then! XD Would ya like a cup of coffee? Or a banana? Or some green tea?

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

Speaking of nitros...

 

Is it bad that I use nitros a lot? I mean... I like being fast. It feels really good, and it's just fun to drive a super-fast souped-up Wasp M1. I don't really do it for a tactical advantage (well, okay... except when I'm running away with the flag), I just do it because I think it's fun. Plus it's necessary to make the "jump" in Monte Carlo.

 

...So yeah, what are your thoughts on my "nitro addiction"? XD

[RustyNail 1,538]

Just played another hour of Polygon CP. Ate a banana, ran into a pretty nice guy, had trouble with a couple druggers, reported a guy trying to buy accounts, and ended off the round with over 1000 crystals. Not bad.

 

Well one of the druggers, Black_of_Georgian, apparently doesn't drug much. He's got a record of about 12 dph (is this seriously a thing now? XD)... which is surprisingly lower than mine. I average at about 22 dph -- most of them being nitros. I guess he was just on a drugging spree...

 

I use 90-95% drops and very rarely garage supplies. Still, I am around 20 sph so don't worry, 20 is not a drugger's number. At 30-40 you could say that there is mild drugging and above 40 it's drugging realm.

 

Ok. Then why is that guy with 10 sph? It's because he plays XP/BP... So he devides his playing time into drugging battles and no-supplies battles. In that case, a mild drugger can "hide" among non druggers.

Mind you, I never play XP (anymore) so my numbers (20 sph) are a clear non drugger average.

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

^ How did he get M2 Dictator though?

He bought the "Boar" kit, which consists of M2 Dictator, M2 Ricochet, and Sandstone.

[RustyNail 1,538]

Speaking of nitros...

 

Is it bad that I use nitros a lot? I mean... I like being fast. It feels really good, and it's just fun to drive a super-fast souped-up Wasp M1. I don't really do it for a tactical advantage (well, okay... except when I'm running away with the flag), I just do it because I think it's fun. Plus it's necessary to make the "jump" in Monte Carlo.

 

...So yeah, what are your thoughts on my "nitro addiction"? XD

That's my drug (manner-of-speaking LOL) too.

And litterally, the most necessary for having fun. Hornet on Nitro, one of the few game aspects I still love as much as I did a year ago..

 

So, although using constantly nitro equals to drugging, it's the less bothering side of drugging. While, on the contrary, the worse side of drugging is DD + Repair kit.

I think most of the people that consider drugging un-sportive, would agree with me on that, what do you say guys?

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

So apparently I use 10 double armor per hour, 8 double damage per hour, 6 nitro per hour, and 5 repair kits per hour... do I count as a drugger? :( But you can see that I use Wasp the most often, 113 hours played compared to 46 hours on Viking and 40 on Hornet, so using Double Armor and Repair Kits would seem reasonable...?

 

Also keep in mind that I parkour a lot and apparently drugs, kills, and deaths in parkour count as well....

[Kid95 67]

Hey, welcome to the topic then! XD Would ya like a cup of coffee? Or a banana? Or some green tea?

Haha thanks, I just had my dinner. And I'm feeling much better after a small meeting I had in the evening:)

[RustyNail 1,538]

So apparently I use 10 double armor per hour, 8 double damage per hour, 6 nitro per hour, and 5 repair kits per hour... do I count as a drugger? :( But you can see that I use Wasp the most often, 113 hours played compared to 46 hours on Viking and 40 on Hornet, so using Double Armor and Repair Kits would seem reasonable...?

 

Also keep in mind that I parkour a lot and apparently drugs, kills, and deaths in parkour count as well....

What, are you really wondering?

There is an easy answer (that you only can provide) based on the frequency of using supplies, or better, how often you use garage supplies. If you activate a garage supply every 30 seconds or so, (and you pick one drop - or two) then, here you go, you do drug. If you don't feel an urgency to drug and do it only on special occasions (getting away with flag or stopping someone from getting away with flag) then, no, you 're not a drugger.

All these occasions count for standard battles, not parkour.

 

[however, there is one occassion where one do drug - in my opinion - and that's when he plays only defense next to the flag or guarding a passage or something, and every time opponents come close, he drugs. In that case, this is definitely drugging, even if it's for keeping flag safe. Because no-drugging requires that you face opponents without being on supplies. If that never occures, then that's drugging.]

[Kid95 67]

Speaking of nitros...

 

Is it bad that I use nitros a lot? I mean... I like being fast. It feels really good, and it's just fun to drive a super-fast souped-up Wasp M1. I don't really do it for a tactical advantage (well, okay... except when I'm running away with the flag), I just do it because I think it's fun. Plus it's necessary to make the "jump" in Monte Carlo.

 

...So yeah, what are your thoughts on my "nitro addiction"? XD

Well, I don't see it as something as bad as double power and armor and health kits. It would be funny if they turned nitro into a 100% boost though, then more people would start calling hacks hehe.

 

Speed boosts are tolerable. I've had Wasps outrun my Shaft in scope mode, but it doesn't trouble me so much unlike the other power ups (I still don't like being beaten by someone though:P)

 

I use 90-95% drops and very rarely garage supplies. Still, I am around 20 sph so don't worry, 20 is not a drugger's number. At 30-40 you could say that there is mild drugging and above 40 it's drugging realm.

I seldom drug. The only stuff I enjoy using are mines because they involve strategy and pre-planning of defense to an extent, specially considering I use Shaft. Even if I had to lose to druggers, I still wouldn't drug as bad as them, except in a few situations where I must use a health kit to save the game as an attacker. I mostly head into the enemy base when I see enough supply drops coming my way, otherwise I either am a defender or a guy who just shows up plainly without supplies at the enemy base with a death wish, although I still get a few kills that way:P

 

I love showing up at a base without any drugs, and still capturing a flag. It feels like you've done something different, something not everyone would do in a battle.

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

What, are you really wondering?

There is an easy answer (that you only can provide) based on the frequency of using supplies, or better, how often you use garage supplies. If you activate a garage supply every 30 seconds or so, (and you pick one drop - or two) then, here you go, you do drug. If you don't feel an urgency to drug and do it only on special occasions (getting away with flag or stopping someone from getting away with flag) then, no, you 're not a drugger.

All these occasions count for standard battles, not parkour.

 

[however, there is one occassion where one do drug - in my opinion - and that's when he plays only defense next to the flag or guarding a passage or something, and every time opponents come close, he drugs. In that case, this is definitely drugging, even if it's for keeping flag safe. Because no-drugging requires that you face opponents without being on supplies. If that never occures, then that's drugging.]

Oh good, then I don't drug. I only drug when I'm running for my life with the enemy flag. I don't drug in normal face-to-face combat because the way, I see it, it's just a waste. First, it doesn't help your score that much because one kill and 10 points isn't worth a Repair Kit, Double Armor, and Double Damage. And it doesn't contribute to your team (unless it's a legit flag defense).

[The-Operator219 1,929]

Being a semi-active drugger, though only when I have supplies to burn through, I can tell you it feels as pointless and shallow as you describe it being.

I'm not winning because I outsmarted my opponent, I'm winning by brute strength. And I don't feel like I'm smarter or stronger by using them, I feel like I'm using a pair of crutches to carry me through a game.

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

 

 

I'm not winning because I outsmarted my opponent, I'm winning by brute strength. And I don't feel like I'm smarter or stronger by using them, I feel like I'm using a pair of crutches to carry me through a game.

 

I love showing up at a base without any drugs, and still capturing a flag. It feels like you've done something different, something not everyone would do in a battle.

 

 

If I would use drugs to _overpower_ others, it would feel like solving an adventure game by following an internet solution archive.

It would be more "efficient" to watch a walkthrough on youtube.. there I don't even have to move the mouse around -.-

 

The satisfaction derived from the fact, that I archieved something by myself, would not exist.

 

But as I learned druggers have different motivations. The "I like to overpower others"-druggers source their satisfaction exactly _by_ overpowering others.. and not by beeing more smarter, more skilled or luckier then others. Purchase the feeling of power by spending crystals (and money sometimes). Of course it contains the fact, to feel less powerfull and maybe a little empty, once you run out of drugs.. (see business model :p :p).

Well.. other people, other worth systems..

 

@Nitro usage:

my - highly subjective - thoughts about that are, that

- I don't mind enemies using nitro thaaaaat much.

- I clearly mind flagrunners that take the direct, uncovered route home by using a nitro, instead taking the covered route and trick out the defenders. Feels cheap to me..

- And I mind hornets and vikings that - if I trick them out - equip a nitro to simply chase me down. No idea to take the other route and cut of my way.. no creativity to hide and backstab me.

Man.. you already have more health, stability and usually a weapon with faster reload.. and the nitro neutralizes the disadvantage they have traded in for their benefits. Feels cheap as well.

 

but as I wrote.. those are highly subjective to me.

[The-Operator219 1,929]

I just like not being slaughtered mercilessly.

That's my "motivation".