Reduce power of garage supplies

[Dragon-Judgement 1,529]

Isida is a special tank and one can not equate direct comparison with an other Tank because of self healing properties.  I know because Isida is one of my turrets.

That is true...I probably shouldn't have tried giving Isida as an example for this particular situation...darn things suck the life out of you. :lol:

Just a side note: Irbis or not, an Isida tagging me is always a nightmare. xD

[ELIZABETH1122 337]

Not every tank that one is up against is M4.  Not every Tank is a one shot wonder weapon, such as the likes of Shaft or Rail Gun.  If up against a multi shot unit, their is every chance of escape even from M4.  That depends upon Map, Turrets, Hull and Paints of you, your team and the opponent and team.  If your just standing around waiting to be killed then you will not survive obviously.  Tanki is not just a scientific test bed and all tanks that are shot are stationary and do not return fire,  What happened to escape and sneaking up, re escape and sneaking up.  Their is also a very good chance that someone else will finish the other guy off in that time and that an Isida may have re charged you.  

 

I do take it that you do not just stand still and accept the inevitable. I have come across players that do just that, they not knowing that I have very nearly expired. Of course, their is every chance that they may win over all but on some maps and in some play, that 15% against all can be useful.  I have some fairly good paints, but I do not have paints that cover every eventuality.  Just buying paints willy nilly at the drop of the hat is not a choice that everyone can make.  Sure, their are some excellent high end combination paints, again, not available to all or their are those without enough dosh.  That 15% paint might just do it on some occasions, not all.  I use it very occasionally and it has come up trumps for me.  I usually prefer my favorites from my armory.  Sometimes one is able to take out most of the other opponents but their just might be that odd one that snips away using repeated shots, for one reason or another you cannot see it and eventually he takes you out.  This happens over again,  You have no paint against it but are confident against the other opponents.  Just changing to that 15%, that just happens to be there, may just do the job, enough to gain cover and get some relief.   That has happened to me and it has worked out on more than several occasions.  

 

Why I should tell you this defeats me.  I am grateful for any advice I am given, I may or may not use it, it may be good , bad or not applicable to me I may only use it once to good effect but why should I go to all ends just to help out a potential opponent.  If you do not believe me, then I am happy, it might just save my bacon one day.  :D

[TG159 734]

Not every tank that one is up against is M4.  Not every Tank is a one shot wonder weapon, such as the likes of Shaft or Rail Gun.  If up against a multi shot unit, their is every chance of escape even from M4.  That depends upon Map, Turrets, Hull and Paints of you, your team and the opponent and team.  If your just standing around waiting to be killed then you will not survive obviously.  Tanki is not just a scientific test bed and all tanks that are shot are stationary and do not return fire,  What happened to escape and sneaking up, re escape and sneaking up.  Their is also a very good chance that someone else will finish the other guy off in that time and that an Isida may have re charged you.  

 

I do take it that you do not just stand still and accept the inevitable. I have come across players that do just that, they not knowing that I have very nearly expired. Of course, their is every chance that they may win over all but on some maps and in some play, that 15% against all can be useful.  I have some fairly good paints, but I do not have paints that cover every eventuality.  Just buying paints willy nilly at the drop of the hat is not a choice that everyone can make.  Sure, their are some excellent high end combination paints, again, not available to all or their are those without enough dosh.  That 15% paint might just do it on some occasions, not all.  I use it very occasionally and it has come up trumps for me.  I usually prefer my favorites from my armory.  Sometimes one is able to take out most of the other opponents but their just might be that odd one that snips away using repeated shots, for one reason or another you cannot see it and eventually he takes you out.  This happens over again,  You have no paint against it but are confident against the other opponents.  Just changing to that 15%, that just happens to be there, may just do the job, enough to gain cover and get some relief.   That has happened to me and it has worked out on more than several occasions.  

 

Why I should tell you this defeats me.  I am grateful for any advice I am given, I may or may not use it, it may be good , bad or not applicable to me I may only use it once to good effect but why should I go to all ends just to help out a potential opponent.  If you do not believe me, then I am happy, it might just save my bacon one day.  :D

Not every tank that one is up against is M4.  Not every Tank is a one shot wonder weapon, such as the likes of Shaft or Rail Gun.  If up against a multi shot unit, their is every chance of escape even from M4.  That depends upon Map, Turrets, Hull and Paints of you, your team and the opponent and team.  If your just standing around waiting to be killed then you will not survive obviously.  Tanki is not just a scientific test bed and all tanks that are shot are stationary and do not return fire,  What happened to escape and sneaking up, re escape and sneaking up.  Their is also a very good chance that someone else will finish the other guy off in that time and that an Isida may have re charged you.  

 

I do take it that you do not just stand still and accept the inevitable. I have come across players that do just that, they not knowing that I have very nearly expired. Of course, their is every chance that they may win over all but on some maps and in some play, that 15% against all can be useful.  I have some fairly good paints, but I do not have paints that cover every eventuality.  Just buying paints willy nilly at the drop of the hat is not a choice that everyone can make.  Sure, their are some excellent high end combination paints, again, not available to all or their are those without enough dosh.  That 15% paint might just do it on some occasions, not all.  I use it very occasionally and it has come up trumps for me.  I usually prefer my favorites from my armory.  Sometimes one is able to take out most of the other opponents but their just might be that odd one that snips away using repeated shots, for one reason or another you cannot see it and eventually he takes you out.  This happens over again,  You have no paint against it but are confident against the other opponents.  Just changing to that 15%, that just happens to be there, may just do the job, enough to gain cover and get some relief.   That has happened to me and it has worked out on more than several occasions.  

 

Why I should tell you this defeats me.  I am grateful for any advice I am given, I may or may not use it, it may be good , bad or not applicable to me I may only use it once to good effect but why should I go to all ends just to help out a potential opponent.  If you do not believe me, then I am happy, it might just save my bacon one day.  :D

Vs firebird u have 0.1 sec shorter after burn kinda, not worth the 1 time it will save ur life, only to result in u having less health than if u respawned

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

Hmmmmmm

[ELIZABETH1122 337]

Vs firebird u have 0.1 sec shorter after burn kinda, not worth the 1 time it will save ur life, only to result in u having less health than if u respawned

So you would say that to Mr and Mrs Shaft- Isida at the other end of the park, them with a clear shot would you?  They might have no paint gains at all.  You still have to lay you breath on them and you may have drawn your last long before then. 

[The-Operator219 1,929]

Hm...half a tiara...

Well, no way it's a DARK combo to blame.

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

Hm...half a tiara...

Well, no way it's a DARK combo to blame.

no its not

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

I actually find that most druggers are kinder than none druggers. More mults or really annoying players are none druggers

[FRITZECAT2014 33]

@ Ostrica

Hi,

Thank you for your contribution but If you come here already attach cliches repeated dozens of times and thus explained dozens of times.. it's useless. You better take into account the ideas written in this topic. Thank you in advance for your future action.

Regards

[omrot 2,327]

I actually find that most druggers are kinder than none druggers. More mults or really annoying players are none druggers

I don't know about your rank but in the lower ranks i reported so many druggers for their foul language. If you manage to kill them, they usually insult you so much and I actually find it funny. 

[Moraine 5,877]

No need to thank me, I commented as a player of this game, nothing more. I never played drug battles if I didn't have to, it's the same now. It's easy for me to say "everyone should play however they want" but it seems that the issue runs deeper than that... and since I'm obviously not an expert, I have nothing more to add. 

[FRITZECAT2014 33]

With some delay I would point out  my support for Brubook. Some players who do not advocate fairness as a fundamental element of human relationship think that by attacking the creator of this topic , they will discredit the very idea of this topic. They are wrong. Drugging is an admission of weakness and not respecting others. It's the only reality. This sneak attack is only further prove and even their mood. They spot a weakness and enjoy without restraint.... as in the game !

[Dragon-Judgement 1,529]

They spot a weakness and enjoy without restraint.... as in the game !

I don't mean to be rude, but if you were in an actual fight (this is no comparison to the game, do not misinterpret me) and you find a weakness in your opponent...you wish to tell me it's not wise to exploit that weakness? That there really goes against the basics of combat in general.

[omrot 2,327]

I don't mean to be rude, but if you were in an actual fight (this is no comparison to the game, do not misinterpret me) and you find a weakness in your opponent...you wish to tell me it's not wise to exploit that weakness? That there really goes against the basics of combat in general.

A game is different than an actual fight

[Dragon-Judgement 1,529]

A game is different than an actual fight

LOL and you completely bypass the disclaimer I put at the start of my post. READ! You were given a brain and intellect. Use it.

[racer22_online 206]

I don't think TG159 is being wholly unfair in most of his comments.

 

He is mostly defending the right for the current world of Tanki to be a Dog eat Dog world - I have no problem with that.

 

As we see in real life we have all sorts of villains threatening our very existence - i.e. it can be a very uncivilised 'jungle' out there.

I do like to hear someone speaking up for this state of affairs and for sure this modus operandi makes Tanki a lot of money from sales of supplies kits, without which we would have no game at all.

 

The rules in Tanki have given us Free To Play players at least a chance to scratch an existence.

We CAN get to Gismo as free to play players - just takes a bit longer.

If you have above average skills and a pragmatic attitude (not easily upset) then it's still possible to find ways to have a good time in many battles.

 

The big BUT is, Tanki could be so much more of a daily eSport if they wanted it to be.

All Tanki have to do is make Pro Mode more popular.  The only reason they do not is because they're scared to lose the revenue from sales of Supplies Kits and they have been unwilling to find other ways of gaining revenue apart from Premium Accounts.

 

In Tanki eSports the first thing they get rid of is garage drugs.  (HardStyle is no use for light tanks and lacks entertainment value because the battles become one sided too quickly).

The reason they get rid of garage drugs in eSports is because to have a good game you need a reasonable balance.

Using garage drugs by both sides upsets the balance that Tanki have taken great trouble to build into each hull and turret.

 

If we could have a max of 10 garage drugs per 15 minutes this would be very interesting and would be the best compromise in my opinion and tankers could vote on raising or lowering this number in the standard game - and be editable in the Pro Mode game.

 

The sad thing is that many players have left Tanki because so many battles are dominated by druggers who continue to drug even when on the winning side (= villains.)

This means the players that remain to the higher levels are either very skilled, or very patient, or willing to pay for Supplies Kits.  (And the proportion of Villains goes up the higher you go).

 

If you're happy to play in a Dog eat Dog world where the most dastardly villains dominate then all is fine.

If you would like to play an eSport using your tanking skills then Tanki have not got their yet and seem to have no idea how to achieve it.

I would happily pay if Tanki could provide an eSport that I could regularly take part in.

 

If Tanki gave us a vote and asked: Do you think the Repair Kit should be nerfed?  (Say max 2 per 15 minutes.)

over 80% would say yes.

 

Why does Tanki ignore this kind of result - answer: because it will hurt revenue from sales of supplies kits.

 

So what can Tanki do that will not hurt sales of Supplies Kits?

Tanki could prevent the leading side (or top 25% in DM) from using Air Drops.

Druggers will still drug as usual - but the weaker players will gain an advantage.

This will help balance more of the battles.

 

Otherwise, all we can do right now is ask every non Villain tanker to get their weight behind the Go Pro Club (search the forum for this, it comes up second.)

(I do note that some people can happily switch mode from 'Villain' to 'eSports person' and back again :0)

 

If Tanki asks for help to build up Tanki eSports and make this accessible to us all - then please ask - we have loads of ideas and loads of ideas on how to make money (instead of sales of drugs (= pimping.))

 

Also note - not all Druggers are 'villains' - some are 'ethical druggers' like me - i.e. they only drug when it's fair to do so (mostly!)

I.e. if all druggers could avoid drugging when on the leading side this would help balance battles.

[racer22_online 206]

I'm glad to see Brubook not being draw into the silly arguments that have been going on of late in this thread.

 

Brubook is a good guy, so is RustyNail, so is Damn_Slow and so is AbsoluteZero and many many others.

I judge each person by what I see in general and not by individual chit chat, irritation and annoyances.

 

I would hope all of us are trying to find ways to help Tanki do a better job, we should keep the focus on this.

 

We know druggers versus Non druggers, fascists verses gentlemen is a heated debate.  (Most children I see are fascist by nature until they grow up (some never do!)

and in saying that I'm not even saying that "all druggers are fascists" because they're not (and some keep switching mode.)

 

A full Drugs battle is fair enough if that's what you like - just I find it favours the heavy tanks and full drug battles tend to switch into one sided battles very quickly.

Do you remember what happened on the day we all had unlimited drugs - nearly every battle was one sided (with spawn killing causing the losing side to quit).

 

The only mechanism we have at present to encourage more balanced battles is to use the Go Pro club.

We need a critical mass in the Go Pro club to make it self driving.

 

Can all readers who agree that the Go Pro club is a good idea and can find some spare time please help it take off.

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=309678&hl=+go%20+pro%20+club&page=1

 

I hope if we make the Go Pro club big enough then Tanki will pay more attention - I will pay real money if they did.

IMHO, this does not mean we're all 'anti-supplies' use - all it says is that we're looking for a better balanced game (e.g. by preventing the leading side from over use of drugs).

 

(Kudos to BlackWasp777 for all his hard work.)

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

With some delay I would point out  my support for Brubook. Some players who do not advocate fairness as a fundamental element of human relationship think that by attacking the creator of this topic , they will discredit the very idea of this topic. They are wrong. Drugging is an admission of weakness and not respecting others. It's the only reality. This sneak attack is only further prove and even their mood. They spot a weakness and enjoy without restraint.... as in the game !

respect.... the very thing you talk about you yourself ignore. Respect the players who do know how to properly use drugs. I am respecting anti-druggers, respect my drugging (pro drugging) and respect my respect. The only reason why you dont like them is becauase you must not know them too well. I respect your decision not to have to use them and thats why i have done 2 things to help anti-druggers.... yet i an a hardcore drugger

[omrot 2,327]

respect.... the very thing you talk about you yourself ignore. Respect the players who do know how to properly use drugs. I am respecting anti-druggers, respect my drugging (pro drugging) and respect my respect. The only reason why you dont like them is becauase you must not know them too well. I respect your decision not to have to use them and thats why i have done 2 things to help anti-druggers.... yet i an a hardcore drugger

Most druggers in the lower ranks do not show any respect towards anyone and often insult anyone who flips them in Noise (me) when they are using all 4 drugs

[TG159 734]

Most druggers in the lower ranks do not show any respect towards anyone and often insult anyone who flips them in Noise (me) when they are using all 4 drugs

*lower ranks* doesn't take much to get to my rank,

[omrot 2,327]

*lower ranks* doesn't take much to get to my rank,

It takes time

[TG159 734]

It takes time

I got from 3 stars to marshal in 1 month

[omrot 2,327]

I got from 3 stars to marshal in 1 month

Were you drugging?

[TG159 734]

Were you drugging?

Nope

[omrot 2,327]

We have created the Go-Pro-Club and we recommend everyone who's tired of drugs (druggers are welcome too) to join it so it will have daily battles and not just weekly ones