Reduce power of garage supplies

[RustyNail 1,538]

It's due to the forum construction and way of operating (one theme per topic) that holds us from fully developing the arguments.

In reality, most issues are side-effects of one problem (or rather unbalance) and this is the monetary setting of the game. Having to depend on power selling only, makes the strive for a dynamic balance (necessary for the game to provide a variable of game environment) very hard or a lost cause at all.

Since power in this game consists of the following:

1. modification of combo

2. paint

3. MUs

4. supplies

and all of them depend on player's purchasing ability, meaning that top buyers accumulate too much power, we chose one of the above factors to be excluded from the get-through-money category.

We can't exclude combos from buyers, combos are basic aspects of the game.

We could exclude some paints (the powerful ones such as clay, picasso etc) but most players would complain.

We could exclude MUs but that would require a big work on programming and game dynamics.

The easiest aspect to be lifted from selling is supplies. And if not be lifted altogether, it could decrease in power, so that top buyers won't have all of it.

That's why we say that repair kit should be nerfed and as for the other supplies, either cool down time be increased or combined use of supplies bring collateral damage, or a certain amount of garage supplies should be available in battle, in proportion to the battle length.

 

We all want Tanki to be successful and we do understand of course that success means money, but we propose that the company finds alternative income sources, so that it doesn't depend on power selling exclusively. I hope my 50 years of existence on this planet are enough so that I get the practical needs of the company more or less right.

 

Other than that, as anyone can see in previous pages, I did not bring footage in order to stalk druggers but in order to prove that many players created a tornado of power that excluded all other players from the joy of playing. May I remind you all, at that point there where still players that said "but after the SCD no one can have all three supplies on at the same time"... It did not become personal until only recently, when some druggers came here and started a meme war, banning reason and good will.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

So in this topic we have two sides, each saying that they are posting relevant information, and giving two replies to the developer here, who, like the players, is confused over whose idea to consider.

But only one side is producing facts and figures that can be checked while the other is producing hot air.

 

Listen, both sides make a strong, valid, and compelling argument. And the truth is that both sides are partially right. The solution is obviously somewhere in the middle... and snide remarks aren't gonna help...

Diplomatic.

 

I agree there is more to be done, that's why I posted this idea. It was balance tweak that directly impacted on those mindlessly using supplies, a drugger tax of sorts. There was virtually no impact on tanki's bottom line and most of any revenue collected from the 'tax' made it's way to those in the battle who were not mindless drugging.  It was a small yet significant shift that would benefit everyone over time. When Hazel talks about being banned from here, it was the replies in that topic that made him leave. You talk about snide remarks - there were plenty of them in there.

 

I still stand by the idea, even though hazel and others didn't understand it and that's because the didn't take the time to digest it. Most people read his replies and jumped on the bandwagon. People tend to suck-up as you found out already. If there is anything players, staff and devs should know about me is that, while far from being perfect and not always right, I do try to see from every player's point of view in an unbiased way and that includes tanki and ap etc. and when I suggest something, be certain that it's not come from thin air and I've actually considered various aspects first. The best ideas are those that benefit gameplay and everybody aforementioned, not just me.

 

 

Well..  i beleive they are minority yet act a majority

I've fact checked this. For the first 70 pages, 90% of the posts are done by the same people. It's the same names posting over and over again and I imagine it's more than that figure for next 230 pages too. This topic might be 300 pages but this is no indication of it's popularity and more to do with the fact it's a divisive subject.

 

... It did not become personal until only recently, when some druggers came here and started a meme war, banning reason and good will.

why did druggers come here? I tell you why - you made it personal by naming and shaming them here publicly, assigning some fault to them, accusing them of not caring to the point of ridicule. It's funny how people have a tendency to defend themselves isn't it.

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

And this - what absolutezero, the genius- proves is that rustynail and other antidruggers....the ones representing them, dont think about what THEY have done. If they dont like something they complain and whine to get attention and hope for it to stop despite them doing it. And it goes further that they dont stop doing it once they did it because they are probably blind to the holes they create and ignore our responce using "thats not what i did"

[RustyNail 1,538]

And this - what absolutezero, the genius- proves is that rustynail and other antidruggers....the ones representing them, dont think about what THEY have done. If they dont like something they complain and whine to get attention and hope for it to stop despite them doing it. And it goes further that they dont stop doing it once they did it because they are probably blind to the holes they create and ignore our responce using "thats not what i did"

Listen, there is really only one way I could avoid making unpleasant remarks about your intelligence. And that is by not answering to your ... whatever it is you write.

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

Listen, there is really only one way I could avoid making unpleasant remarks about your intelligence. And that is by not answering to your ... whatever it is you write.

Its not my fault you are not trying to think outside the box. This is not that bad writing.

Ill edit.

 

And this - what Absolutezero, the genius- proves is that antidruggers representatives dont think about what THEY have done. If they dont like something they complain and whine to get attention and hope for it to stop even despite if the "corruption" is their creation or in responce to their creation. And it goes further that they dont stop doing what causes the corruption or the corruption itself upon complaining about it. They are probably blind to the holes they create and ignore our responces using "thats not what I did/say"

[LOLKILLERTOTHEDEATH 1,921]

DRUGGING IS REALLY ANNOYING I ABSOLUTELY HATE DRUGGING THIS SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTED BECAUSE DRUGGING IS ANNOYING. ITS NOT FAIR TO ANYONE!!!!

[RustyNail 1,538]

Really? 

 

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=246957&page=251&do=findComment&comment=5392603

 

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=312232&hl=%2Bbrubook

 

I will make one - and only one - exception in ignoring you just to point out that you are so blind to what is written - or so much incompetent understanding it - that you fail to see how your own words turn against your point.

 

The first link you provided (and I thank you for that) is a profane example of what I say and opposite to what you imply.

I expose the point of view of those druggers (blind as they are to others' feeling of the same battle) together with their statistics so that I prove that they not only drug during the said battle, as the captures show, but they do it as a standard way of playing, as the stats also show.

 

I do not - as you imply - question their person or insult them or make this a personal crusade against them, since I never return to them after the footage is provided. People that read this topic can see the same in regard to other footage I provided. Once, to show the drugging as a phenomenon and the mind set of the druggers and never again, because it's the game setting that's unbalance and not the majority of druggers who just exploit that setting.

 

You and your friends, however, have made it personal from the first moment, making remarks for the persons, insulting them, bringing all along the ban of brubook, starting a meme war, even stalking me in battles - until I warned you that I am under lawyer's guidance.

 

So this post of yours that I'm quoting is really a failure for you, but apparently your lack of perception does not allow you to understand it.

So, please, by all means, keep doing this. :D

 

(now I leave you alone to continue fighting your own point, you're so good at it)

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

Under lawyers guidance?

I myself am a lawyer..... let the court case begin

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

Ok.... Im not a lawyer but my father is.

he is here,

[The-Operator219 1,929]

Strange thread, it's all gone totally mental.

 

Amusing though.

I'm eating Cracker Jack, want some?

I may just disappear for a while longer and wait out all the name-calling and pointed fingers.

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

So long operator

[deadmanrising 715]

 

RustyNail, on 12 May 2016 - 10:30, said:

I think you should look back at your posts in this thread, You can clearly see you are trying to insult certain posters (ones that even offer very good suggestions)

 

 

RustyNail, on 12 May 2016 - 10:30, said:

 

brubook managed to get himself banned all by himself with deliberate sabotage, The fact he hasn't made an appearance in this thread speaks volumes.

 

 

RustyNail, on 12 May 2016 - 10:30, said:

 

This comment just shows how silly you are, You made yourself look stupid when you first posted this and you continue to do so. If you call me joining your side ONCE and then joining against you ONCE stalking then you really need to grow up (act like a 50yr old not a 5yr old) 

 

BTW i have never and never will avoid any battle i see you in, If i want to join the battle and there is space i will join it, Whether you are in that battle has no relevance on my decision to join it or not. 

 

Now could you tell me when i need to appear before Judge Judy?  :P

 

 

(now I leave you alone to stamp your feet, cross your arms & poke out your bottom lip in a sulk. You're so good at it)  :D

 

 

 

 

So you're admitting that you will freely stalk and join certain battles out of spite and not just by coincidence?

 

 

Yes repetitively posting meme's are unnecessary and tend to cause flame-wars

 

 

I'm eating Cracker Jack, want some?

I may just disappear for a while longer and wait out all the name-calling and pointed fingers.

 

It's been going on for months, you might as well just died waiting of boredom..

 

The point in this topic has already been made, whether the developers will consider implementing lower power for supplies is their decision

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

No. If dejectedtomato likes battling this so called weak anti drugger then he can

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

Rustynail's suggestion:

That rustynail should play only private pro battles as to not make Tomato have to see if he is in battle.

 

Not his litteral suggestion but same concept. He said we should play pro if we want to drug... in other words... go out of our way for a minority of players

[deadmanrising 715]

Im free to join any battle I like, Just because someone who doesnt like druggers and has his lawyer sitting on his lap wont make me not join

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

Ur point?

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

If i want to join the battle and there is space i will join it, Whether you are in that battle has no relevance on my decision to join it or not.

 

So you're admitting that you will freely stalk and join certain battles out of spite and not just by coincidence?

[viratno2 146]

Wow, this topic has become more like the Presidential election ( Trump vs Hillary ) in the last pages, the same name calling, emotion ridden speeches and so on.

[lukey0 27,543]

This whole topic is like primary school fighting. Its just so childish, what you guys are arguing about has nothing to do with this topic what so ever.

 

IMO everything that needed to be said, has been said. If I was a Mod I'd just lock it, this topic is getting no where.

Seriously though, look back at what you've said and you'll see where I'm coming from.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

This whole topic is like primary school fighting... what you guys are arguing about has nothing to do with this topic what so ever.

By exaggerating and not being specific you yourself are part of the problem. Your post is practically incitement.

 

What we have here is 2 groups of players defending their positions. Let it run it's course. Eventually we get to the crux of the matter and what is driving each others stand points. We might even find a way to accommodate each other.

 

for example, Rusty would like supply users to vacate standard supply-enabled battles, buy a pro pass to create different supply-enabled battles and play there instead. Once all the players he doesn't like have left, he can then play in the standard supply-enabled battles with similar players to him. This way he doesn't have to get beaten so often and as a result, have more fun.

 

Is that a fair assessment?

[lukey0 27,543]

It seems you've missed my point, but at the same time strengthened it.

 

 

By exaggerating and not being specific you yourself are part of the problem. Your post is practically incitement.

 

What we have here is 2 groups of players defending their positions. Let it run it's course. Eventually we get to the crux of the matter and what is driving each others stand points. We might even find a way to accommodate each other.

 

for example, Rusty would like supply users to vacate standard supply-enabled battles, buy a pro pass to create different supply-enabled battles and play there instead. Once all the players he doesn't like have left, he can then play in the standard supply-enabled battles with similar players to him. This way he doesn't have to get beaten so often and as a result, have more fun.

 

Is that a fair assessment?

But they are the same points every day, just said in different words. Now I don't come here every day and read every comment, but the ones I have read are exactly what I have just said. 

 

Question: Why should supplies users vacate normal battles with supplies activated? Wouldn't it be simpler for him so just join a PRO Battle? It seems to me helping 1, upsetting 1000's. At the end of the day Rusty is a very small minority with all this supply hating, most don't have a problem with it. Whats sadder is thats this topic has already started on the TX forum. 

 

It is fair, but there are easier ways around it.

 

Someone picked us out publicly here (as well as in-game) as the cause of his defeats and the author of this topic sabotaged our battle the same day. Moreover, the latter never posted here nor played since then - says it all about his mentality and above all his credibility. So we're actually not arguing/quarrelling but providing facts, figures, screenshots and any kind of evidence to refute arguments of this late duo - this is the basis of an argumention.

 

 

Concerning Brubook's (†) loyal soldiers who remain in this topic, they keep blaming us for defending ourselves against the public senseless accusations of using a feature of the game and above all ignored our easy, free and successful solutions to cope with their problem of competitiveness.
@RustyNail @AlphaNinjaGirl @FogOfWar_XXX: I may post a lot of memes but I'm still waiting for your comments about the following posts and questions I seriously elaborated...
 
1. My suggestions to your problem

 

 

2. The principle of a free-to-play game

 

Source: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/134920/the_design_of_freetoplay_games_.php

3. Well...

 

 

 
...because you prefered to focus on irrelevant or least important elements instead so far.

Last but not least, @lukey0 don't expect us not to raise our voice when we're called buyers daily even though we said countless times we (@LadyYuna ) are free-users and @AbsoluteZero & haven't invested in this game much or for a while. This is another proof complainers read hastily our contributions and sums up both their level of stubborness and attentiveness...
 

 

 

 

 

 

 
By the way, I recently noticed our solutions have actually already been mentionned by on page 2... One year ago! It reinforces my conviction that they're the best to apply
 

 

 

 

I don't understand who's side your on. Mine? Or the others. Weather you are or not doesn't matter. Posting pointless memes in the topic would be consider childish, for my point of view. 

 

Yes brubook does have a lot of loyal supply haters, and its good to see people so "in" to something. But like I said this topic is getting no where. Even Cedric was hinting at that in his post. This will "only take mico-steps to this solution". Trust me supplies won't be nerfed any more than they have been, it Tanki's biggest income. So nerfing supplies is killing Tanki, is that what you want? Especially when there are already easy solutions? 

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

Ok....

I am here....

to keep this debate open and running so that anti-druggers dont get a topic about how bad drugs are. If us druggers left them anti druggers will eventually stack up comments. I dont want that because it creates an illusion thats drugs are hated by most. By countering the same or any anti drug claim we are giving any new visitors a chance to learn; that drugs are sustainable, That they contribute, that there are free ways to get around them.

[basenji7 1,199]

This is literally going nowhere it's just RustyNail insulting anyone who disagrees and then everyone else getting mad at him. 

And this is different for low ranks okay but RustyNail's a gissimo he should have enough crystals to buy a supply kit and drug back...Also they can't exactly have all drugs on constantly so utilizing supply drops will probably help him, yeah?

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

This is literally going nowhere it's just RustyNail insulting anyone who disagrees and then everyone else getting mad at him. 

And this is different for low ranks okay but RustyNail's a gissimo he should have enough crystals to buy a supply kit and drug back...Also they can't exactly have all drugs on constantly so utilizing supply drops will probably help him, yeah?

ahem.... i searched this low rank nonesense.

the lower ranks are not suffering.

all you have to do is not get jealous of the 1 in the battle that is a buyer

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

Most buyers are not millionaires.

especially not in the lower ranks.