Reduce power of garage supplies

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

If a drugger named C1@rk_K3Nt is trying to become Superman, he can't just press 2, 3, and 4 all at once (smart cool downs changed that) these days.

Let me stop you right there... okie? Just pause right here for a second.

 

Suppose C1@rk_K3Nt (cute name, by the way) was sporting his M1 Ricochet and M1 Hornet combo, and ran across a similar tank. C1@rk_K3Nt decides to become invulnerable and pops a Double Armor -- doubling his health. Now he's twice as strong as his opponent.

 

Suppose  C1@rk_K3Nt is a sucky Rico player, however, and his health starts dwindling to near death. He can pop a Repair Kit without having to wait for a cooldown, restoring his already-doubled health and granting him 2 seconds of invulnerability. Now he's become four times as strong as his opponent.

 

And by this time, his opponent's Ricochet has run out of energy, and is firing slowly. C1@rk_K3Nt can easily finish him off... that wasn't so hard, was it?

 

This Double Armor/Repair Kit (or DARK) combo is one of the most infuriating drugs combos in the game. If you say Smart Cooldowns fixed drugging, I'mma point to this combo every single time.

 

Instead, he has to collect a couple of drop boxes before wreaking havoc

Not necessarily. If he comes across a Double Damage or Double Armor box, he can easily pop the opposite drug and wreak just as much havoc (Speed Boost isn't really that overpowered). Not to mention that he can also use the Repair Kit immediately afterwards, if he wants to.

 

 And even after he becomes Superman (with a health kit and mine ready), he still might face multiple Supermen ready to take C1@rk_K3Nt down (preferably with drugs).

This is mostly true for mid-high and high ranked battles. Sadly, I'm afraid the high ranks are too far into their drugging that it's completely expected.

 

The beef I have is with players who drug against non-druggers. In the low and mid ranks, druggers are rather rare, so when a Major pops into a WO3 battle and begins drugging and taking out everyone, it's immensely frustrating to those who want to play fair. Not only is the opposing team utterly stumped, the winning team can also get upset for a number of reasons:

1. They wanted a fair fight and thought they could win without a drugger
2. Those on the top of the leaderboards would lose their places and thus lose crystals
3. Often druggers are just jerks, even to their own team

I'm not saying your analogy is crap. I'm saying that it's easy to drug, and in the low to mid-high ranks, it frustrates a lot of people. Y'all high-ranked players can drug all you want, I don't think anything anyone says is going to change that.

 

Now, let me present you with an analogy:

 

 

 

Suppose both teams are comprised primarily of druggers, or "Supermen". Let's say it's Team Superman vs Team Goku; there are eight Supermen and eight Goku's, each evenly matched in strength, and all of them having a great time.

 

However, there are still 2 non-Superman or non-Goku on the teams -- those players who don't drug -- and they're literally helpless. They can barely move from spawn because they get insta-killed by the druggers on the opposite team, and they can't help their team because their team doesn't need it. How is that fun for them?

 

It's not.

 

 

[N3tralRE 282]

Let me stop you right there... okie? Just pause right here for a second.

.......

I'm not saying your analogy is crap. I'm saying that it's easy to drug, and in the low to mid-high ranks, it frustrates a lot of people. Y'all high-ranked players can drug all you want, I don't think anything anyone says is going to change that.

I see what you mean (younger, naive me once made it a mission to get to Gizmo w/o becoming a drugger...and that mission failed).  Unfortunately, it seems that Tanki Online isn't about to give up its drugs.  After all, TO has had these drugs since its inception (plus its main selling point is crystals that can be paid for expensive stuff AND drugs!).  Going on with your point, as I said in the last post, many non-drugging low rankers leave the number keys and drop boxes alone...and druggers will happily take advantage and steal most of those boxes and steam roll low rankers.

I also believe one A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N has seen your point, no?

 

I have noticed that its only lower ranks now. A new topic needs to be created to discuss updating drugs in lower ranks. In higher ranks there is nothing to talk about. (There is hardly what to talk about in the lower ranks too.).

 

I concur with A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N; there must be a new topic in Ideas and Suggestions about lower rank drugging (talk about scarring low rankers; why not ease those guys into middle ranks and above if they want to?).  

 

Here's an idea off the top of my head: maybe separate low-rank servers to alternate, drugging tankers and rookie tankers?  And perhaps make the rookie tanker server a "playground" without any drugs?  I don't know...

 

Suppose C1@rk_K3Nt (cute name, by the way) was sporting his M1 Ricochet and M1 Hornet combo, and [battled Doomsday and Brainiac]...

Thanks.  Figured Superman references would help make the discussion less hostile.

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

Unfortunately, it seems that Tanki Online isn't about to give up its drugs.  After all, TO has had these drugs since its inception (plus its main selling point is crystals that can be paid for expensive stuff AND drugs!)

Supply boxes, I agree, make the game a lot more fun and interesting. It's the garage supplies (I call garage supplies "drugs") that make the game imbalanced; people can easily access super-powerful abilities without driving to the necessary drop zones, which several players find not only insane, but game-breaking.

 

I realize that Tanki is a business, but I've said several times that there are much better ways for Tanki to make money; ways that don't involve crapping all over those who don't pay money.

 

many non-drugging low rankers leave the number keys and drop boxes alone...and druggers will happily take advantage and steal most of those boxes and steam roll low rankers.

The knowledge and use of drop zones is a skill; a seasoned player will know where to be and when to be there to take the supply box. Like I said, I feel it's a very interesting and fun mechanic.

 

However, if you can just simply mash a button to activate the same powerup, map knowledge loses its importance. I agree that many druggers do utilize supply zones (as all tankers should), but a lot of the time I see druggers taking supply boxes of the same drug they already have activated.

 

Here's an idea off the top of my head: maybe separate low-rank servers to alternate, drugging tankers and rookie tankers?  And perhaps make the rookie tanker server a "playground" without any drugs?

Heck, why just low-rankers? Why not create a separate server in which drugs are straight-out not allowed? There are plenty of non-druggers who would use this server, and druggers, buyers, and the "majority" (according to A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N) can go on their merry way.

 

Unfortunately, the all-too-common (and really stupid) response given by druggers is "Why don't you just by PRO battle pass?", to which the non-druggers respond:

1. Having to pay for non-drugging battles is stupid
2. There are very few non-drug PRO battles at low or mid ranks
3. Most of the non-drug PRO battles that do exist are Sandbox XP/BP; not enough diversity.

If a separate drugs-free server was created, I suspect that thousands of non-druggers would flock to it, creating their own community safe from the horrendous pay-to-win crap that is Tanki's current gameplay.

 

And, perhaps if some players are bored of non-drugging gameplay, they can venture into the drugs servers and fight the "big fish" in the deeper waters. Who knows? XD

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

No, I did not. You're putting your words in my mouth and twisting what I said to mean what you want.

 

I said that drugging 48 times an hour (which is a LOT) is not a skillful action -- it's a very, very easy task, and requires little effort. I never once said that all druggers are noobs; merely that people who drug mindlessly/constantly are probably not as skilled as non-druggers. Mindlessly spamming drugs every 1.2 minutes is not skillful; anyone can keep one hand on the 1-5 keys and mash them in random order.

 

However, like I said before, you're only hearing what you want to hear. You refuse to listen to me, because you've convinced yourself that everything I say is a personal attack on you, and that you must retaliate. In addition, you were blinded by your "slight rage" and were unable to bring up any decent counter-arguments; all you really managed to say was "I hate you, AlphaNinjaGirl", and everyone already knew that, so you don't need to say it again.

 

Learn how to argue before you try to prove a point. If you don't, you'll end up making a fool of yourself.

noob is the opposite of skilled.

If you are not skilled you are noob.

There, done. Now saying skill-less is saying noob. Saying "not real-skill" is saying noob.

You are talking from both sides of your mouth now

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

I feel bad about making salad of this topic lately.

Im apologizing to the druggers for writing content that is:

Containing bad grammar, spelling, layout and typos.

Containing Personal Ego

containing uninteresting material.

 

I may not be cut out for spoksman but I cant stand these players hunting us.

It's certainly uninteresting because there are no arguments being made, just a lot of schoolyard toing and froing and it's descended to 'my dad can fight your dad' levels.

 

I'm not interested in reading entire posts centered around, 'you're a noob, you're weak, unskilled, uneducated', etc - these are words of 7 year-olds.

(no offense to 7 year-olds)

 

Debunking arguments using logic, reason and facts when laid out in a structured way is much more enjoyable to do and read.

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

noob is the opposite of skilled.

If you are not skilled you are noob.

You do realize that there are several different facets to "skill" when regarding Tanki, right? Driving skill, map knowledge, aiming, coordinating attacks, etc. Because from what I'm reading... you haven't any idea what "skill" is. Don't claim to be a great teacher if you don't know the meaning of what it is you're supposed to be teaching.

 

There, done. Now saying skill-less is saying noob. Saying "not real-skill" is saying noob.

Nope, you don't get to define what "skill-less" and "not real skill" means. Sorry.

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

Im just not going to respond if you keep reponding like this. Think about what you are saying and implement it into drugging. For the last time: This is a low ranker's discussion now. (And if you had my skill, those druggers wouldnt be a problem.)

 

I agree that if druggers are the 1-5% then its not fair that higher ranked druggers go down to join lower ranks and drug. Not only do they have better equipment but they have more drugs

[viratno2 146]

"If you had my skill"

Well, you yourself have told us that you were part of the clan and also that you are an experienced player who now knows to take on druggers and also to use drugs. Not all players have your level of experience and equipment, there are many newbies playing the game for the first time, so obviously druggers are a problem for them.

[BSG-62 512]

Ok, this discussion is going absolutely no-where. The way this is going, it may as well be put in the off-topic section.

[DaMyAnIx 107]

So, want to hear a story?
>be me, playing tanki
>highland CTF
>both teams doing good, battle isn't one sided, teams have equal amounts of players
>my team is winning, 3-1 flags, I am on top just by destroying tanks
>m2 viking and twins comes, drugs like a noob through the rest of the game
>suddenly the battle got extremely one sided

<two players started drugging

>dominating, even if i drugged enemies would swarm me

>they got to 10 flags 1 minute before the end
>score is 10-3

>fund was good, they got 400-100 crystals
>I, whom had top score on my team, got 83 crystals

>uwotmVIII.jpg

 

Talking about how drugs aren't OP and stuff. Me and another smart guy paused 4 minutes before the end, seeing we would get killed more if we continued. 

[DaMyAnIx 107]

Thanks for the advice but your method wouldn't had worked in the battle I played. As I mentioned, the enemies would swarm me everytime I tried to do something, like say try to destroy a tank, they would just pummel me with their tanks, so I found it more logical to not waste my time on druggers that spawn kill, it was of no significance if I tried to stop them, so I paused. The game was already at 8 flags so it couldn't get any worse than that. The manipulation is possible, I didn't pay much attention to that since I wanted to get XP and kills. I usually always tell to my team to let the enemies gather more teammates so it would be more fair. I also tell my teammates to stop drugging if they do it, but it depends on the team. During the battle the teams were even and we managed to surround the enemy base, I didn't say anything to my team since it seemed fair, you know, the enemy team were less skilled than my team.

[III_Dope_III 319]

>i don't brag for buying

>post edited later, the claim he didn't brag, gone

>tbh i never spent 500 dollars, i spent over 1000 pounds

\__( "/ )__/

You bought crystals on DaMyAnlx bruh your account isnt even worth a penny

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

There you go again calling the druggers noob.

[DaMyAnIx 107]

You bought crystals on DaMyAnlx bruh your account isnt even worth a penny

Um u wot? Yes, I bought crystals like 4 times via SMS. In my country's currency that equals to ~10$. I spent the purchased crystals on equipment. How do you even know this anyway? And what does my account price (I don't even plan on selling it anyway) have to do with anything? Bruh

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

Damyanix ^:
The fact that you have such an awfull garage despite 10$ (thx btw). Ur garage is under powered no wonder you lose. Hopefully that can be rendered.
In ur case its mismanagment thats the problem.
You bought way too many m1s. Tanki designed the game to require budgeting and future thinking.

I played ALOT today.
Today:
1st battle:
I joined a sandbox 4 vs 4. It was a standard battle. The situation of the battle:
No one was drugging majorly (a few popped drugs here and there)
The score was 9-0 to the enemy. It was 9-0 for lack of the 4th player for the team I joined.
Half were generalissimo

A few minutes after i joined.
Having seen my team was doomed I anounced Ill drug (I was giving them a chance to ask me not to) -- a second later my team celebrated. In the chat a tanker wrote "finally a drugger". The enemy were a bunch of hypocrites - "noob drugger" " drugger" "no skill" was written before I drugged- however they immediatly drugged. There was one player in eneny who didnt drug (an m2 vulcan mammoth with flora and forester.... he was a generslissimo)
The round ended 10-1 to the enemy.
The next round was with drugs, drugging while cursing druggers. Before I joined the battle I changed to hunter railgun and savanah for the LF starladder feel. The mammoth vulcan forester switched to m3 xp and witnesses that drugger does not equal skill less. He wrote "you have no skill if you drug" (Im not too pro in xp though I did ok today.) I was skill shotting him while being attacked by a vulcan m3 (another player besides the m2 vulcan had vulcan. Hunter and vulcan do not mix!!! I knew that. But I wantes hunter) All was nice and balanced, both teams drugging except one per team. Then came the problem.... .... ... we had a mult!!!!! Gasp.... ..... bumbum bummmmmmmmmm
The mult:
He wouldnt return flags, he would take flag but not cap, and he would provocate.
Despite the mult we won 10-3 or something similar.

2nd battle:
This is just to show that druggers know what a none drug battle is (though you many times ignore my daily cup matches... I have plenty of experience of no drug battles.
I was in a "no mu, no supplies, and no boxes" battle in farm. We were winning 40-7 in a 123 flag battle...albeit I joined at 15-3. I got good D/L and xp on my smoky for the ratings page.

Island DM:
The true problem of tanki, one witg no solution.
I met many pricks today.I wanted firewasp DM (DM island 3 players) with 2 friends who had no pro (one friend was one I accepted just to help him earn crystals. He had 816 cry and was 4 stars). It always took too long for him to join so a random tank would join. The respectable tankers would leave. The druggers would play and there would be a good battle. And finally, the none drugging hy6s: they would do everything to avoid me and my friend.... pressing pause for 04:30 min and coming out to get killed by 2 players who were teaming to get him out. These players joined just to be a harassment.... one even followed me through 3 battles!!!


Consensus;
Mults are a much bigger problem than drugging as shown in battle 1. The team with 3 players was down one player so they lost 9 - 0. A mult is a player who is not contributing (and even worse is if he does damage).

Battles in island: noobs like that (I met 3 today) ruin a battle to the point where the battle fund is 18 crystals in 15 minute. (I got one by stating how im the full m4 generalissimo who hands presents out for free due to lack of what to do with them. And I cant buy things in thr sale if I wanted to so I dont need cry. And I dont need xp for im generalissimo. He left).

Ik ik.... no one understands my writing...


P.S I was never dissapointed nor did i complain in the above situations. I just tried my best.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

Me and another smart guy paused 4 minutes before the end, seeing we would get killed more if we continued. 

Ruining it for those on your side actively trying! Quit sabotaging!

[DaMyAnIx 107]

Way to go, Did you enjoy sabotaging your team?

 

Ruining it for those on your side actively trying! Quit sabotaging!

Do you even read? Not sure if troll or stupid.

[jdc20181 213]

My thinking is at a certain stage or rank drugs should be limited per round, and be limited in purchases in the store, of ccourse this isnt gonna happen due to the fact that is where tanki gets its chunk of change :/

 

Reducing the force of supplies doesnt make sense tho, because it its double damage that means 2x of wat my weapon normally has, I don't want 95% 50% 20% I want the 100% promised by the label. So this would require, all the suppleos to be relabeld. And then it would unbalance the game. 

 

So Taht is why I said in the first few sentences, limit the ammount allowed you can use....

 

 

I have a idea on this and this will be going into another thread...

[DaMyAnIx 107]

Damyanix ^:

The fact that you have such an awfull garage despite 10$ (thx btw). Ur garage is under powered no wonder you lose. Hopefully that can be rendered.

In ur case its mismanagment thats the problem.

You bought way too many m1s. Tanki designed the game to require budgeting and future thinking.

 

Consensus;

Mults are a much bigger problem than drugging as shown in battle 1. The team with 3 players was down one player so they lost 9 - 0. A mult is a player who is not contributing (and even worse is if he does damage).

What does my garage have to do with the drug problem? Heck, I find my garage quite good, it isn't only the weapon that matters, it is the player. And in my case, the player is good so the garage harms his gameplay very little, in fact such equipment is acceptable at my ranks. Anyway, some kits are very restrictive, there is no point in buying a freaking m2 wasp and m2 rail if you use a mammoth and twins. Forunately there is a kit for me now. Buuut... I won't repeat myself on the other reasons why kits nowadays are dumb. Your "epic" adventures don't contribute much to anything. I can tell you my epic tale of how I wrecked m2s and m1s in my m0 Hornet and m1 rail on wave but what is the point? Thanks for the dictionary lesson, I so-didn't-know what a mult was. Mults are as bad as most druggers. These two go hand in hand sometimes.

[Total_Destructor 78]

What does my garage have to do with the drug problem? Heck, I find my garage quite good, it isn't only the weapon that matters, it is the player. And in my case, the player is good so the garage harms his gameplay very little, in fact such equipment is acceptable at my ranks. Anyway, some kits are very restrictive, there is no point in buying a freaking m2 wasp and m2 rail if you use a mammoth and twins. Forunately there is a kit for me now. Buuut... I won't repeat myself on the other reasons why kits nowadays are dumb. Your "epic" adventures don't contribute much to anything. I can tell you my epic tale of how I wrecked m2s and m1s in my m0 Hornet and m1 rail on wave but what is the point? Thanks for the dictionary lesson, I so-didn't-know what a mult was. Mults are as bad as most druggers. These two go hand in hand sometimes.

I reked a Drugging M2 Dict+Thunder with M0 Hammer+Hornet M1 Skill or Drugging= No Skill?

 

~@player_2015_tanker's alt

[Benefactor 6,888]

I reked a Drugging M2 Dict+Thunder with M0 Hammer+Hornet M1 Skill or Drugging= No Skill?

 

~@player_2015_tanker's alt

Skilled Drugging  :)

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

Ok..... hold on. Your complaining about getting rekt and you dont think ur equipment is bad? Idk if you think ur garage is good. Full m1 and 0 m2 is not a good garage.

 

Just as a reminder.... we are talking about the one drugger in 20+ tankers ruin the game..... and none of the tankers used any of their free drugs. (Well you do but you dont ever mention that... 1 health per 9 minutes)

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

I have another epic (this one is soo good.... it deals with drugs)

 

It was an island ctf 1 vs 1.

I was hunter isida and lumberjack - M4 and 45 protection from isida.

In came a Dawn Of War player with M4 wasp Isida and veteran. - veteran is 20 isida and mines.

 

He joined wanting to drug.... Oh Boy did he join the right battle. That battle was a dream battle.

Here is what happened:

The two of us drugged hard, had double drop boxes, and self healing of an M4 + isida protection. We were so equal in power that it took 20 minutes to kill one another!!!!! I must have used 50 drugs and landed on 30 mines!!!! That Health box became gold to us. 20 minutes we are trying to kill one and another to no avail. I had more armor but he had mine protection and speed. This battle was hard!!!!!!!! And it wouldnt have exsisted without drugs. The battle of a dream. I managed to finally kill him and he changed hulls and turrets.

[DaMyAnIx 107]

Ok..... hold on. Your complaining about getting rekt and you dont think ur equipment is bad? Idk if you think ur garage is good. Full m1 and 0 m2 is not a good garage.

 

Just as a reminder.... we are talking about the one drugger in 20+ tankers ruin the game..... and none of the tankers used any of their free drugs. (Well you do but you dont ever mention that... 1 health per 9 minutes)

You're*

Yes, I am. I am complaining about getting wrecked by m2 druggers that drug constantly. That is a reasonable complaint Imo. That is what most players complain about anyway. As I said on many occasions, I don't have a problem with m2s, even m3s for that matter, do not shove unmentioned stuff in my mouth. If your memory servers you correctly, you'd see that I mentioned my excessive usage of repair kits, that isn't so much compared to the monster amounts used by druggers. My average usage is like ~6.6 repair kits/an hour. 

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

You're*

Yes, I am. I am complaining about getting wrecked by m2 druggers that drug constantly. That is a reasonable complaint Imo. That is what most players complain about anyway. As I said on many occasions, I don't have a problem with m2s, even m3s for that matter, do not shove unmentioned stuff in my mouth. If your memory servers you correctly, you'd see that I mentioned my excessive usage of repair kits, that isn't so much compared to the monster amounts used by druggers. My average usage is like ~6.6 repair kits/an hour.

 

I didnt shove unmentioned things.... I accidently ommited what you said.

I still dont realize the problem if thats what you stand with. Getting recked by m2 players..... so that player shouldnt drug because Damyanix joined with m1s. Oh boy! You are not the only player, and neither is the drugger; both need to compromise- and that compromise is called SCD. If the drugger chooses he doesnt want that compromise then he can choose PRO pass. And likewise, if the none drugger doesnt think the compromise is enough then he can choose PRO PASS