Reduce power of garage supplies

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

I think drugs should be half the power of what they are

and what about the wider consequences of that decision?

Have you thought about what that might entail?

 

 

An alternative would be a limit on the amount of supplies that can be used in a battle. This would make supply use much more tactical and prevent players from constantly spamming drugs. 

Yes. Now think of an idea that

• could work
• be fair to all including tanki
• keeps in mind other factors and the various aspects any idea might effect.

 

Here's a quick thought to radically change the system which satisfies those conditions.

• Do away with buying single supplies or supply bundles. (see *note1 at bottom)
• Make supply passes available.
• These can last a for a day, a week, or a month.

 

You can purchase supply passes in a few ways, (x and y to be determined)

• With Crystals for (x) amount
• With some other form of in-game currency, (let's call them "credits" for now), for (y) amount.
• Maybe some kind of combination of the two.

 

Credits would replace the supply daily gifts.

• eg, instead of getting 3x RK and 4xSB, you would receive a certain amount of credits
• Crystals daily gifts would not change.

 

So what about the mechanism itself?

 

Once you have yourself a supplies pass, you are able to use supplies pretty much in the same way we do now but you don't have to worry about the amount you have because they're limitless. Smart cooldowns remain in effect. The only difference is you are only allowed to use a set amount in a 15 minute period. This amount would have to be determined.

 

 

So to recap:

• Players will still spend crystals to buy supplies
• Supplies are still given for free via credits
• Less complaining about druggers
• A fairer battle
• A more tactical battle
• etc

 

I'm not saying this idea is complete in any way and I've not give it a lot of thought, but, it's got a sound foundation to which to build on.  Someone take it and run with it. See how far you get!

 

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*Note 1: Maybe not totally do away with them because they may still be needed for drug wars

[ELIZABETH1122 337]

Perhaps an option for drug-free battles only 1-2k a month, rather than the 5k needed for PRO pass? PRO battles would give you more options, but many people buy them simply for access to supply-less battles. I'd say a cheaper alternative to the PRO pass only allowing you to create drug-free battles would both increase the amount of battles without supplies and allow lower-ranked players who don't want to pay 5k a month just for non-drug battles to gain access for a lower price. 

 

An alternative would be a limit on the amount of supplies that can be used in a battle. This would make supply use much more tactical and prevent players from constantly spamming drugs. 

Their is already an alternative.  It is called the premium account!   for 1 EU 1 day, 3 EU 7days, 10 EU 30 Days, 28 EU 90 days.  Tank even issue these accounts for free for limited times, they allow anyone to set drug free games.  The main perpetrators of this thread motion know that.  They just want it all for free!  The buyers in this game keep the game alive for the non payers.  If the payers are penalized then they will stop paying, that will mean the game goes bust and close down.

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

AbsoluteZero:

A little problem with ur idea. (This is just a bit more food for development of the idea, not to destroy it. I like the idea)

 

Imagine 3 players:

a) A 10 hour a week drugger

 

b) A 21 hour a week drugger

 

c) A 40 hour a week drugger

 

Player b) buys a pass that makes drugging cost the same as it did before

 

Player a) it costs him more to drug and he is the one out of the three thats least likely to buy cry.

 

Player c) buys lots of cry but drugs for less than used to.

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

Their is already an alternative.  It is called the premium account!   for 1 EU 1 day, 3 EU 7days, 10 EU 30 Days, 28 EU 90 days.  Tank even issue these accounts for free for limited times, they allow anyone to set drug free games.

Yeah, well... here's the issues with Premium accounts, and why they aren't a solution to drugging:

 

1) Premium accounts cannot be bought with crystals, only with money. So unless you get one of these very elusive Premium Account missions... good luck

 

2) Even when you have a Premium Account, its "PRO pass" ability is just that...  a PRO pass. Which we've already discussed before on how it's NOT a solution to drugging.

 

3) If you're like me and live in the United States (and a lot of players do), it costs more for us than it does for European players. Yeah, I'm not kidding.

[ELIZABETH1122 337]

Yeah, well... here's the issues with Premium accounts, and why they aren't a solution to drugging:

 

1) Premium accounts cannot be bought with crystals, only with money. So unless you get one of these very elusive Premium Account missions... good luck

 

2) Even when you have a Premium Account, its "PRO pass" ability is just that...  a PRO pass. Which we've already discussed before on how it's NOT a solution to drugging.

 

3) If you're like me and live in the United States (and a lot of players do), it costs more for us than it does for European players. Yeah, I'm not kidding.

 

You have just confirmed again that this is all about having a free ride.  By the way the UK £ has dropped due to the ridiculous Brexit,  so buying equipment in EUs is not as good here either some thing that is going to get a whole lot worse.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

AbsoluteZero:

A little problem with ur idea. (This is just a bit more food for development of the idea, not to destroy it. I like the idea)

 

Imagine 3 players:

a) A 10 hour a week drugger

 

B) A 21 hour a week drugger

 

c) A 40 hour a week drugger

 

Player B) buys a pass that makes drugging cost the same as it did before

 

Player a) it costs him more to drug and he is the one out of the three thats least likely to buy cry.

 

Player c) buys lots of cry but drugs for less than used to.

I have not mentioned any prices or anything about cost. This idea is no way comprehensive or complete. I typed it out as I thought about it. But I don't see what you are seeing here.

 

The players who look to the short term have always had to pay more whereas those who buy the mega bundles pay less. This idea is no different. What is important is tanki are earning relatively the same as before and players are spending what they usually spend. There is no reason why a formula cannot be drawn up to fit.  Any formula would not take a few hours to draw up, it takes a lot of time, detailed analysis and testing. So for anyone to come out say there is a problem with the numbers in such a short time, especially since no numbers have been mentioned, ie, you - is just short-sighted and provocative to say the least.

 

As I said, it's a radical change but I'm going no further with its development. I'm far too aware that tanki doesn't give any hoots so why bother? This topic only exists to give players a place to vent anyway.

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

You have just confirmed again that this is all about having a free ride. 

What, you think all of us non-druggers in this game are selfish for disliking unfair, unbalanced, biased battles, in which the only possible way to compete is by spending money on equipment and drugs?

 

Like I've said before, there are better ways for Tanki to make money than by taking a dump on its free-to-play players.

[ELIZABETH1122 337]

What, you think all of us non-druggers in this game are selfish for disliking unfair, unbalanced, biased battles, in which the only possible way to compete is by spending money on equipment and drugs?

 

Like I've said before, there are better ways for Tanki to make money than by taking a dump on its free-to-play players.

 

Just pay you way and get on with it or better still stop twining on all the time.

[41tkbat 52]

The thing is, PRO pass isn't even expensive. The druggers already pay for their drugs, so you should pay for your pass. If everyone would do so, at least from... I'll say Major, there would be SO many more PRO battles. I mean, 5k is nothing compared to the money that buyers spend in drugs. Don't get me wrong. And what you say is true, I wouldn't win half of my battles if it weren't because of drugs and friends >_<

You miss the point. You should not look at what is best for you. You shoudl look at what is best fro tanki. If tanki is doing nice they will be around and you can play. If not your Tankidays are over. The point is that the new players leave coz they get killed over and over so they stop playing tanki. That way Tanki is chasing their possible customers away. CVhasing your customers away is the mostn stupid businessplan you can have. So to keep them in you want to make it attractiev for new players to saty. And experienced players can earn ( or buy) 500 crystals a lot easier.

[41tkbat 52]

You have just confirmed again that this is all about having a free ride.  By the way the UK £ has dropped due to the ridiculous Brexit,  so buying equipment in EUs is not as good here either some thing that is going to get a whole lot worse.

 

You have just confirmed again that this is all about having a free ride.  By the way the UK £ has dropped due to the ridiculous Brexit,  so buying equipment in EUs is not as good here either some thing that is going to get a whole lot worse.

You apparently dont understand Elizabeth. The point is that about 2 years ago almost nobody was drugging. At that time there would be at least 200.000 players online at any time. A lot left coz drugging has become the standard, and new players stop playing tanki coz they get killed over and over by players who allready have more accounts.

 

That way Tanki is chasing possible buyers away. And the most stupid businessplan a company can have is one that makes possible customers leave before they buy.. So that is why it would be a lot smarter if druggers would have to buy a pass to be able to drug. If tanki is making a profit taki will be around. If not tanki will disappear and we cant play anymore. That is what it is about, and has nothing to do with freeriding.

[ELIZABETH1122 337]

You apparently dont understand Elizabeth. The point is that about 2 years ago almost nobody was drugging. At that time there would be at least 200.000 players online at any time. A lot left coz drugging has become the standard, and new players stop playing tanki coz they get killed over and over by players who allready have more accounts.

 

That way Tanki is chasing possible buyers away. And the most stupid businessplan a company can have is one that makes possible customers leave before they buy.. So that is why it would be a lot smarter if druggers would have to buy a pass to be able to drug. If tanki is making a profit taki will be around. If not tanki will disappear and we cant play anymore. That is what it is about, and has nothing to do with freeriding.

Oh, I see, you have done some scientific research by surveying everyone that has left or not played for a while :rolleyes:  I do not think so.  Try politics you might be very good at it.  Every day we are given supplies, crystals etc.  I take it that your not an investor in the game.  If it was not for the buyers, the free players would not even have a game to play.  The facilities if Tank are available to everyone, upgrades, mu, new pints, hulls, turrets, supplies/drugs, passes, premium accounts.  Do not complain to the World if you do not take your opportunities and fall short.  People do not need to be wealthy to play this game successfully.

[TheRollingSlab 803]

So apart from creating a supply-free server/increasing drug cooldowns, anyone else apart from me think a much simpler (and possibly better) solution is just to lower the price of a PRO pass? Down to 1-2k crystals I think would be fair.

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

I take it that your not an investor in the game. 

There's a reason I'm not buying in this game, and it's not because I can't. It's because spending money on this game shows my weakness as a player, since I need to break out my wallet to win, as many buyers do constantly.

 

I also feel like buying shows my respect for the buying community. I have no respect for them at all.

 

I don't owe you any thanks for keeping this game open. If Tanki wants to monetize, they can. They can make the game $10 a month and still make money. They can change the payed model drastically and still make money. Tanki doesn't need you, and you're not a special snowflake because you spend money. Stop telling yourself that.

 

Unless Tanki fixes the current buyer problem, I'm not becoming one of you.

[PokeNebula 4]

To be honest I like the drugs the way they are.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

At that time there would be at least 200.000 players online at any time.

If you're gonna invent numbers, be realistic - any stats to back that up?

 

It's never been as high as that. October to January are traditionally the months with the biggest numbers. January to July usually show a decline, picking up after that.

 

We're at the lowest point right now and it's not because of druggers. It's as low as it is partly because of the time of year but mainly because tanki keep making bad decisions and doing nothing to tackle mults. People are fed up and are sick of zero game moderation.

 

[DaMyAnIx 107]

If you're gonna invent numbers, be realistic - any stats to back that up?

 

It's never been as high as that. October to January are traditionally the months with the biggest numbers. January to July usually show a decline, picking up after that.

 

We're at the lowest point right now and it's not because of druggers. It's as low as it is partly because of the time of year but mainly because tanki keep making bad decisions and doing nothing to tackle mults. People are fed up and are sick of zero game moderation.

 

Isn't that his point? Before some years the players were 200K compared to now, 40-45K at any given moment. It is just from observation of how many players are online at any given moment. I don't think anyone screenshots this lol, it is just evident that before the players were way more, many users are confirming it. EDIT: Never mind, I didn't read your statements properly, sorry man.

 

And yea, I wouldn't spend my money on a ruined game, I used to buy small sums of crystals before but seeing just how bad this game is now, I wouldn't spend a penny on it, I would if it was "fixed". By fixed I mean balanced and playable for everybody, including f2p players. As I said before, f2p games are supposed to be fun and enjoyable for everybody. There is nothing fun in facing a player that has 4x your hitpoints and can kill you twice as fast because he has a deeper wallet. The mission rewards aren't enough, if you see how many drugs are wasted by a drugger compared to how many are given to you as a reward, the difference is huge. Let's say you save up your drugs, you will get obliterated by druggers more frequently when you are saving up. When you decide to use your saved up amounts of drugs, they will end quickly and the crystals earned won't be enough to replenish the loss. Many players despise druggers, it is just that most of them don't use the forum.

[ELIZABETH1122 337]

People despise anyone else who beat them.  They continually look for excuses to explain their own short falls.  Claimants who don not pay cash proffer, that they are holier than tho, are very happy to spend the free crystals that they acquire on the best equipment paints ete for their garage, they do not stand still in the armament race! .  They have found that they either load up with crystals spending it on supplies which is very brief and very soon forgotten that or they spend it on garage equipment.  Any average player can do one or the other but not both.  The free or non paying players complaining here are just trying to achieve the same successes and pleasures that a paying player gets.  They just want to go through life without responsibility or contribution of any sort they just want to free ride.  If they can not afford to do so they should get a job if unemployed or a part time job if a student  or beg from their parents.  Of course many parents are far too smart for that but they should not expect others in this game  who do support it to pay for their freeloading complaining ways.  Quite happy to support a non paying player if they get just play the game without grumbling that everyone else owes them a living.

[DaMyAnIx 107]

 

People despise anyone else who beat them.  They continually look for excuses to explain their own short falls.  Claimants who don not pay cash proffer, that they are holier than tho, are very happy to spend the free crystals that they acquire on the best equipment paints ete for their garage, they do not stand still in the armament race! .  They have found that they either load up with crystals spending it on supplies which is very brief and very soon forgotten that or they spend it on garage equipment.  Any average player can do one or the other but not both.  The free or non paying players complaining here are just trying to achieve the same successes and pleasures that a paying player gets.  They just want to go through life without responsibility or contribution of any sort they just want to free ride.  If they can not afford to do so they should get a job if unemployed or a part time job if a student  or beg from their parents.  Of course many parents are far too smart for that but they should not expect others in this game  who do support it to pay for their freeloading complaining ways.  Quite happy to support a non paying player if they get just play the game without grumbling that everyone else owes them a living.

 

 

 

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

Isn't that his point? Before some years the players were 200K compared to now,

Still inventing numbers I see.

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

People despise anyone else who beat them.  They continually look for excuses to explain their own short falls.

Ahh, not necessarily. How long have you actually played the game without spamming 1-4?

 

I admit that I'm only an average player, with average map knowledge and skill with only a few turrets. I'm not trying to make an excuse for losing (since I don't actually lose that much), but if I lose a game or even an encounter, it should be a result of either my incompetence or the other players' superior skill level. Or things like luck or lag, etc, but those are rather rare.

 

Point is, druggers take that and throw it out the window. Games are no longer won by skilled players or cooperating teams... they're usually won by the single player with the deep wallet, and that sucks.

 

Yes, payed players should have some sort of bonus, but NOT a bonus that allows them to stomp on everyone wherever they go.

 

Let me ask you this -- if you, as a person, were to go up against a wrestling champion, lose, and say the fight was unfair, would it be fair for me to say "Well, you're just making excuses for your loss!". Because that's kinda what you're doing to us.

 

 

 The free or non paying players complaining here are just trying to achieve the same successes and pleasures that a paying player gets. 

Again, success should be based on skill level, not how rich someone's parents are. :P

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

Still inventing numbers I see.

You're actually right, I don't think Tanki ever reached 200K players online at any given time... unless it was some sort of holiday thing.

 

I've been playing the game ever since 2013, and when I'd log on, it was uncommon to see the amount of players online any less than 110K. I don't have any nifty graphs or anything to back this up (but I'm sure you can find some), so you'll have to take my word for it.

 

Point is, players are leaving the game. Reasons for that are up in the air, but I'm convinced drugging is a big one.

[ELIZABETH1122 337]

Ahh, not necessarily. How long have you actually played the game without spamming 1-4?

 

I admit that I'm only an average player, with average map knowledge and skill with only a few turrets. I'm not trying to make an excuse for losing (since I don't actually lose that much), but if I lose a game or even an encounter, it should be a result of either my incompetence or the other players' superior skill level. Or things like luck or lag, etc, but those are rather rare.

 

Point is, druggers take that and throw it out the window. Games are no longer won by skilled players or cooperating teams... they're usually won by the single player with the deep wallet, and that sucks.

 

Yes, payed players should have some sort of bonus, but NOT a bonus that allows them to stomp on everyone wherever they go.

 

Let me ask you this -- if you, as a person, were to go up against a wrestling champion, lose, and say the fight was unfair, would it be fair for me to say "Well, you're just making excuses for your loss!". Because that's kinda what you're doing to us.

 

 

Again, success should be based on skill level, not how rich someone's parents are. :P

No sweet heart,  I am retired and have paid may dues to Society, tax etc worked in health care and so on.  My parents where very far removed from rich.  I put myself through university.  We had no car, nor even a refrigerator until I was in my teens.  Not even a TV until about 11 or 12 years of age.  The problem with kids today is that they are spoiled, they want everything for nothing.  Then they get bored.

 

Like so many on these pages, Kids know the cost of everything and the value of nothing!

[Viking4s 10,791]

Drug is Good. I got them for free as it's a reward for playing a little bit every day and completing the mission chain.
It's part of the game, buying crystal is also part of the game, that what's make the game existing; TO need money to run and if you (and I) are not paying for it, some people does it on your behalf, avoiding us massive advertising.

 

Some people definitively abuse of them but they are a minority, so be it, go to a different battle. Using supplies do not mean that you're not skilled, when you have both it's pretty deadly.

 

"Rich kids" do not play on this cheap game, they would prefer plays on boxes with no lags.

 

Trying to cure the game, you can try, but don't blame other player who have the right to play. You can always play pro-battle and set your own parameter. There is a risk for TO if they continue like this to make too many people unhappy and get them turn to other online game, currently this is a risk they are willing to take.

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

No sweet heart,  I am retired and have paid may dues to Society, tax etc worked in health care and so on.  My parents where very far removed from rich.  I put myself through university.  We had no car, nor even a refrigerator until I was in my teens.  Not even a TV until about 11 or 12 years of age. 

Sweet. Awesome. Let me add that to the list of things that I don't care about.

 

The problem with kids today is that they are spoiled, they want everything for nothing.  Then they get bored.

 

Like so many on these pages, Kids know the cost of everything and the value of nothing!

No matter how many times I explain or reiterate it, you simply refuse to argue with an open mind. You've convinced yourself you're right, and you're trying to force your opinion on me.

 

I don't want everything for free -- obviously the buyers should have something more than the non-buyers. But there are better ways for Tanki to make money than taking a crap on their free-to-play community; aka they should sell something other than unfair gameplay.

[Viking4s 10,791]

Buy a pro pass it's only 5000 crystal and it is valid for a month. Then set your battle the way you want and invite your friend.

Sometime if you want good food you have to pay for it, otherwise stick to fast food and save money.

 

If you want more than that then i guess you would need to for build a community of fair play gamer and start to pressure TO board.

I think the idea that started this post it valid: have a dedicated server with supply free battles by default.

I think also lots of people thinks like you, you need to identify them and put them together, the more your are the easier to convince additional people and also TO.

No point arguing and blaming druggers, you're going to lose you energy and time, energy and time you can use this time for building a strong community. I'm sure there is enough space for both type of player can live on TO.