Reduce power of garage supplies

[ghost-guns 1,486]

I remeber warning Tanki about this in another topic. If Tanki doesn't do something about supplies then people are just going to leave the game and no people equal no money which means no Tanki.

 

And I agree Tanki is becoming a big drug war. http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=177429?&page=33 I wrote what I think would happen if Tanki doesn't do something about supplies. This quote is showing what I predicted is becoming true. No one will play Tanki X if they have a bad experience with Tanki Online.

I think drugs are one of the big reasons why tanki is declining in popularity. It's just really difficult to play well without using supplies. It's a drug war.

 

I have never bought crystals. Everything on my profile was saved for from scratch and bought when there were sales. I simply have no crystals left over for supplies so I complete the missions instead. Once the supplies are gone... that's it I wait around for pick ups.

 

The game has become boring.

 

If I had the chance I would go back to WO ranks and simply buy a kit.

[ghost-guns 1,486]

I was in your position when I was at your rank, I was gonna quit the game for the same reasons. Before I did I decided to save up for the most expensive supplies kit possible just to see if the whole drug wars thing was really as no-skill as I thought it was...it really isn't. It requires smart thinking to turn over a crystals profit from a supplies kit...it's one of the challenges of this game.

 

It's not as simple as buying a kit and you're guaranteed of losing or gaining from your purchase. “Noobs”, as they're called in this game will lose out because they're trigger happy with their supplies and activate at the wrong time...engage your brain and chose the right moments to activate supplies as well as choose the right battles for your equipment, and you wont lose out.

 

 

The equipment you have at your disposal is far better than what I was using when I was at your rank...I only had a Mammoth/Rico M2 combo with Storm paint. You have combo's that would do well in Polygon CP and drug wars on most maps.

 

Personally I think you would be better off saving to buy the 1200 supplies kit. They cost 105k to buy and you get 4800 useful drugs with it- 1200 each of RK,DD,DA,SB...mines are not as useful so discount them.

 

So divide 105,000 with 4800 to find how much the useful drugs cost individually = 22 crystals per supply.

 

So as long as you're not wasting drugs and use them only when needed.....

e.g. towards the end of a high-fund battle or only use RepKits to capture important points/flags or to make the most of a DA and DD you may have just activated

           .....then you should make a profit on your supplies investment. Also, it's worth considering that because you are(or are ready and willing to) use supplies, the teams you join have a higher chance of winning. On average you will win far more battles, which increases your crystal earnings. Then save again for another drugs kit.

 

Once you've bought and used all the available supplies of a 1200 kit (which are also being added to by missions) I'd be surprised if you didn't have a crystal fund well in excess of what you had before you bought the kit....and more xp/crystals than what you'd have if you hadn't bothered buying the kit.(as long as you don't do the noob drug-wasting nonsense of course)

 

Then use any crystals that you don't need for Supplies kits on upgrading your favoured M3 combination (during sales only, works out cheaper to upgrade and use speed-ups during sales)...BTW, focus on getting 1 M3 hull and turret up-to-scratch before you get to Gismo ranks, no use having either a weak turret or hull or a load of M2's in these battles. Micro-upgrades are of more use in drug wars, as they're often the difference when 2 druggers meet in the battle.

 

 

Thanks for the reply.

 

I can definitely say one thing though - I won't be buying a supplies kit for two reasons.

 

1. It will use up almost all of my crystals

2. It would be going against my values (I don't want my game experience to be about drugs, even though its hard to escape). Like I say, I see no other option than to get railgun if I'm going to continue enjoying the game.

 

Today I broke my computer mouse out of anger :( It sounds funny when I type it now. I was getting completely owned, as usual because everyone was using double damage and my team was weaker. I slammed the mouse on my desk and wrecked it basically. I decided to go to another battle and then this happened:

 

 

Fail.

 

In conclusion, my frustration and anger with this game is reaching boiling point and I don't know why I'm still playing this garbage.

 

I can say one thing for sure, I will not play tanki x unless there is no drugs. It is just a stupid reincarnation of this game.

 

Current situation is I have 147,214 crystals. Whether that is enough for railgun on sale... I don't know.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

^ I get that error constantly. It's amazes me that they can't sort it. Still, we have 750k paints available!

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

Well, after a long (two-month, I think?) absence, I've returned to this game, and...

 

Same old neck-breaking, groan-inducing status quo.

 

I won't lie, I was kinda glad to see that druggers are still running rampant, since... y'know, nostalgia. But mostly I've stopped caring about druggers, since as an Isida main, I don't need drugs to get a high score.

 

That and, since I'm constantly healing, my teammates don't need to drugs. So far, I've won 10 battles and lost 4, and in all of them the enemy team was drugging hard, and my team was drugging... "meh".

 

So yeah... Isida is a great counter to drugs!

 

Also Freeze, since there's no drug to defend against being stuck in one spot for a while. Why aren't there more Freeze players... D:

[Milaniser 25]

Sorry if my post is being too long, hope it is worth reading.

I've been playing TO for 2,5 years. I dont play any other games,except for TO (which i have fallen in love with the last 2,5 years). Also, I've never been a gamer before TO. 

Although I am older than many of the players that play this game, I've had lots of fun. And i dont think that i will from this moment on. drugs/supplies are the essential part of draining the fun out of tanki online.

 

The fact is that TO has had it's decrease in daily players online in the last 2 years since i played it. Today it is unimaginable to see 120k (no when i started playing) online players. It rarely is over 50k. And it is a big decrease in a 2 year period.

We all know that developers care about money and nothing else, but they should know that the bigger the player pool, the more money they make one way or the other, so if they can make more and more players join, they are making profit already. But no-one wants to join an unbalanced, unfair, PAY TO WIN kinda game. There are many better choices for people.

My prediction is that it is only a matter of time when tanki will dissapear for good, mainly because of unfairness, raged players, lame updates and so on. Drugs being the central role in that FACT.

 

I can agree that it is good to use 1 supply when needed (getting flag, killing the person who has your colours flag and so on). But lets say you play a bigger map, u have enough time to use 2 drugs when entering the enemy team's base. Plus the repair kit. So the supply refresh time is not functioning well.

Also, when drugged, TO seems like GTA. You are the tank, and other non-supply users seem like pedestrians, and u cant do anything about it. Or u are using GTA cheats, and killing every freaking pedestrian, they cant do nothing to u. TO IS JUST LIKE THAT. U simply cant kill a camping and drugged sniper m1 with rail m1, or any other combination of opposing drugged vs non-drugged type of tank, whatever the level of the hull or turret is.

So, I know kids feel great when drugged, they are superior, they are invincible. And unfortunately that is why they are the biggest drug users in TO, i doubt that any Hardcore drugger is over 18, not discriminating or anything, but older dudes/girls just want to learn the game, want to make skill, have fun - not rage, and so on (only exception is when they drug back).Everyone wants to play a fair, balanced, skilled game.

 

So, my advice to developers is (although i doubt they care, right now they are enjoying themselves in a nice beach bar drinking coctails while we rage about druggers) : 

1.Please, make the game more balanced, make the game at least 30% fairer. That way you can profit, not only us. There are faaaar too many GREAT ideas only on this topic, that are worth the consideration.
2. I guarantee u that the day you make the game more fair, you will have more satisfied players. Now you just have satisfied CUSTOMERS and angry, raged players. Which is not benefiting the game at all and u too.

3. AKNOWLEDGE THE FACT that far too many battles are getting ruined by drugger noobs. Far too many people whine about that, START ACTING SOMEHOW and HEAR THEIR VOICES. 

p.s PLEASE SAVE TANKI.

[lukey0 27,543]

^

 

I also just have to add to it that advertising for TO has stopped. Because TO was expected to close down why would you advertise it? Now with a TO client in development and TX getting closer to being released, I presume TO will have advertisement again along with TX, now that the Deves know both games will stay.

 

With advertisement the game should gain more players.

[VaudeVille 1,428]

Increase power of garage supplies!!

And increase smart cool downs to make supply use tactical

[VaudeVille 1,428]

^

 

I also just have to add to it that advertising for TO has stopped. Because TO was expected to close down why would you advertise it? Now with a TO client in development and TX getting closer to being released, I presume TO will have advertisement again along with TX, now that the Deves know both games will stay.

 

With advertisement the game should gain more players.

Exactly

[Milaniser 25]

You can not actually have a good advertising campaign to a game that has 50k daily players. It would not make any profit for the investor in the advertisement, since it aint profitable. Plain simple economics.

 

And as I said, 1.5-2 years ago peak hours had 120k players. Now rarely 50k. That is A SIGNIFICANT DECREASE IN SUCH relatively small period of time.

No, tanki may not be dying, but it will become less and less played untill it reaches 10k daily players.

If they had 200.000 players online, which we can all agree that TO can achieve cause of the great gameplay, put some skins,paints or other small details (with little or no in-game impact) to sale, and put a bigger price.

More people that play-nore people will buy that stuff.

Start investing in tournaments, streaming. As that is essential to the development of the game.

Learn from examples like Hearthstone,dota,LOL and so on, and see why those games are what they are today.

Instead of growing, they are getting smaller every day, and they should put a finger in their head and start to think about this.

 

Also, I would reccomend one day protest by not playing tanki online. It is hard, but it would be a message for the developers that they cant do sh.t without free players, and start to react.

[ghost-guns 1,486]

My suggestion is to make damage and armour supplies 25%, just like nitro.

 

Can you imagine a wasp on double speed?  :wacko: 

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

And as I said, 1.5-2 years ago peak hours had 120k players. Now rarely 50k. That is A SIGNIFICANT DECREASE IN SUCH relatively small period of time.

My guess is that, with the new Paint update and horrible sales events, Tanki is trying to make the same amount of money that they were when they had 120K players off of 50K players.

 

They have less players online, so they want each player to spend more.

[kayitsiz 621]

And if supplies are taken off totally, your lovely game Tanki won't be here as TANKI needs money to keep itself running and keep providing us with entertainment. Also, whoever wanna reply to my post, read then post your reply, don't just read random words. (Especially the dan something guy, sorry if I don't remember the name.

Is supplies the main source of payment? We don't know that..

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

And if supplies are taken off totally, your lovely game Tanki won't be here as TANKI needs money to keep itself running and keep providing us with entertainment. Also, whoever wanna reply to my post, read then post your reply, don't just read random words. (Especially the dan something guy, sorry if I don't remember the name.

Tanki developers are not starving children in Africa. Don't treat them like they are. :P

[ghost-guns 1,486]

My suggestion is to make damage and armour supplies 25%, just like nitro.

 

Can you imagine a wasp on double speed?  :wacko:

Oops, I meant 30% like nitro but you get the idea.

 

100% double damage and armor gives such a crazy advantage.

[dan146_tanker 770]

Sorry if my post is being too long, hope it is worth reading.

I've been playing TO for 2,5 years. I dont play any other games,except for TO (which i have fallen in love with the last 2,5 years). Also, I've never been a gamer before TO. 

Although I am older than many of the players that play this game, I've had lots of fun. And i dont think that i will from this moment on. drugs/supplies are the essential part of draining the fun out of tanki online.

 

The fact is that TO has had it's decrease in daily players online in the last 2 years since i played it. Today it is unimaginable to see 120k (no when i started playing) online players. It rarely is over 50k. And it is a big decrease in a 2 year period.

We all know that developers care about money and nothing else, but they should know that the bigger the player pool, the more money they make one way or the other, so if they can make more and more players join, they are making profit already. But no-one wants to join an unbalanced, unfair, PAY TO WIN kinda game. There are many better choices for people.

My prediction is that it is only a matter of time when tanki will dissapear for good, mainly because of unfairness, raged players, lame updates and so on. Drugs being the central role in that FACT.

 

I can agree that it is good to use 1 supply when needed (getting flag, killing the person who has your colours flag and so on). But lets say you play a bigger map, u have enough time to use 2 drugs when entering the enemy team's base. Plus the repair kit. So the supply refresh time is not functioning well.

Also, when drugged, TO seems like GTA. You are the tank, and other non-supply users seem like pedestrians, and u cant do sh.t about it. Or u are using GTA cheats, and killing every freaking pedestrian, they cant do nothing to u. TO IS JUST LIKE THAT. U simply cant kill a camping and drugged sniper m1 with rail m1, or any other combination of opposing drugged vs non-drugged type of tank, whatever the level of the hull or turret is.

So, I know kids feel great when drugged, they are superior, they are invincible. And unfortunately that is why they are the biggest drug users in TO, i doubt that any Hardcore drugger is over 18, not discriminating or anything, but older dudes/girls just want to learn the game, want to make skill, have fun - not rage, and so on (only exception is when they drug back).Everyone wants to play a fair, balanced, skilled game.

 

So, my advice to developers is (although i doubt they care, right now they are enjoying themselves in a nice beach bar drinking coctails while we rage about druggers) : 

1.Please, make the game more balanced, make the game at least 30% fairer. That way you can profit, not only us. There are faaaar too many GREAT ideas only on this topic, that are worth the consideration.

2. I guarantee u that the day you make the game more fair, you will have more satisfied players. Now you just have satisfied CUSTOMERS and angry, raged players. Which is not benefiting the game at all and u too.

3. AKNOWLEDGE THE FACT that far too many battles are getting ruined by drugger noobs. Far too many people whine about that, START ACTING SOMEHOW and HEAR THEIR VOICES. 

 

p.s PLEASE SAVE TANKI.

I agree with everything you just said. Tanki will lose players sooner or later, so far its gonna be sooner. I just don't see how the developers can miss something like that. Drugs are poising the game TO and I already know for a fact that there are gonna be some people who aren't even gonna try put Tanki X because of this. If Tanki doesn't do something about this then Tanki X won't have many players to play it. Tanki should get rid of supplies but still keep pickups that way its still fair for the druggers. Its OK to lose a battle. I don't usually go to 1 hour matches only like once or twice a week but when I do my team always loses for 2 reasons. 1 I'm always on the team that doesn't drug, the team that plays fair (which makes it fair for most players). But then the second reason the opponent team always drugs in the last 10 minutes to win. Its so unfair when the battle fund is like 14K. This is the only strategy sore losers who can't bear to lose a SINGLE match can think of doing. Many people say it takes skill to drug, but I can't really see how its skill to just repair yourself and get double armour and damage to kill your enemies. Its cause of us players that Tanki gets money. And The devs just don't seem to see it. From what I'm seeing they are actually ENCOURAGING us to buy drugs. NOT all of us are buyers we don't have money to spend on crystals to buy virtual equipment. Take supplies out of the game TO. You already lost enough players over the years. You keep making stupid updates. I think its time you start making some smarter updates. And then keep the game that way for a while. Not updating every 5 minutes cause someone has a new idea to get you more money. Its not gonna work. Tanki please while you still have players in this game make an update that is useful. Take supplies out of the game. This is like the only Tank game with this many Tank enhancers. If the tanks in Tanki are too weak just lower the price on Micro-Upgrades. Its no wonder so many people are leaving this game. Tanki devs if you are reading this I suggest you open the test server for a mass testing and take supplies but not pickups out of the game in test server and see how much people like it. Thanks for reading :)

[kayitsiz 621]

Every buyer wants advantage in battles, suppose you are a buyer G'issimo with all M4s and every XT M4, and every paint and module with 1 billion+ crystals count, tons of exp and year(s) of premium. Where will those tasty crystals would go if supplies aren't there? How will you end those crystals? You won't be buying again because you got everything and there's nothing more to get, and premium is pretty useless nowadays as it doesn't has its 15% protection.

I can get mastery at weapons by playing them.  ^_^

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

And those kewl servers', contests etc don't eat up money? Plus, they gotta pay programmers and others'. Btw, that WAS racist, hope you don't get ban. D:

The point is, they make plenty of money already, and they don't *need* to sell unbalanced gameplay to do so.

 

They can make money in much better, less take-a-crap-on-free-players ways.

[basenji7 1,199]

The point is, they make plenty of money already, and they don't *need* to sell unbalanced gameplay to do so.

 

They can make money in much better, less take-a-crap-on-free-players ways.

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Tanki does need to make money, but right now they're not doing it the right way. They're not listening to players, many of whom have very good ideas. Instead of implementing suggestions that could really help the game in becoming more balanced, they're rolling out updates which are not bad, per say, but really shouldn't be their main focus, considering the many problems with the game that are driving players away. 

[kayitsiz 621]

I am talking about Tanki Online not Tanki X, find somewhere else to troll.

Like game mechanics are huge different  -_-

[Cyborg 3,189]

Like game mechanics are huge different  -_-

Yes there is  a huge difference in these 2 games.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

And those kewl servers', contests etc don't eat up money? Plus, they gotta pay programmers and others'. Btw, that WAS racist, hope you don't get ban. D:

It wasn't racist. Quit being a prat.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

 

Will try and hide every post here from comp, time waste here.

I understand. The whole forum is a waste of time in my opinion but it's more interesting than the game right now which is a huge let-down of late. 

[Cyborg 3,189]

The one stop solution is allow players to create non supply battles even WITHOUT a pro pass. So all those who are complaining about spending 5k can have peace. From there after the Pro pass will still be popular as it will still feature the ability to create Parkour battles, Xp/Bp battles, Private battles and Non-Smart-Supply battles.

[simonkid 9]

Supplies should be Mirco-Upgradable

[dan146_tanker 770]

If there is no skill needed when drugging, why am I constantly seeing some druggers getting pathetic scores in battles and others that get great scores?

Trust me, at high ranks it takes skill and map knowledge to get your smart cool-down sequence right and to attack at the right time, in order to take a flag and get away from an enemy base full of other druggers that have set themselves up to to defend their base. Everyone in the high ranks should have the ability to earn the bigger supply kits, if they're against supply-use then they can buy a PRO pass and join the tons of PRO battles that are available to higher ranks.

 

It's been said on here loads of times, the problem is heavy-drugging in the ranks below the top few ranks. A pro pass is an option to get away from drug battles, but if there are no good PRO battles to earn back your invested 5k then what's the point of buying a pass?...well hopefully the Battle filter that's supposedly planned will overcome this problem for lower/mid ranks. http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=219839

 

Personally I like the idea of Supplies pass that was posted by Absolute Zero http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=327480&do=findComment&comment=5625891 …I see it as a good solution to the problem, But will it get implemented??.... Pfft, what a stupid question, depends on £$£$£$ of course(is the right answer).

If a drugger can beat me in a 1v1 with no supplies they have skill if not the don't. Anything that enhances your tank isn't your OWN skill. The drugger may no how to use the drugs he owns but that's not the same as knowing how to develop your own skill and use it in battle to win against enemies. I just don't see how its skill. Its not. Fight using your own skill. Get pickups not drugs. Learn how to develop your skills in battle, maybe train with railgun trust me it helps. Do 1v1 XP battles without drugs and you'll see how much REAL skill it takes to be a non-druggers. Cause its not just running and hiding when you are a non-drugger, its actual skill you can use to win.