Reduce power of garage supplies

[Quincie 531]

Whiners don't believe it's possible to become as successful as a buyer without spending a single cent because they consider playing perfectly and can't accept the fact someone else is capable to play harder than them and adapt to the game mechanics wisely.

Tanks work the same way for Buyers as well as for those who dont, it's the person who uses the keyboard to play with the tank, not the Tank

[Gabe2607 499]

Whiners don't believe it's possible to become as successful as a buyer without spending a single cent because they consider playing perfectly and can't accept the fact someone else is capable to play harder than them and adapt to the game mechanics wisely.

The biggest whiner around has 4 digits and two letters on the username. How do you say whiner in French? Martin? :P

 

The term "successful" hardly applies to Tanki daily battles. You are the only one in the Forum convinced to be "successful". Unfortunately you never top any rating and you do not win all battles, my "successful" friend.

 

You are on a vicious loop: in one post you despise free users and in the following you brag to be a free user,,,

 

Take some time off. Maybe it helps :)

[Quincie 531]

Unfortunately you never top any rating and you do not win all battles, my "successful" friend.

 

 

Topping ratings isnt only for those who buy, Its for those who play the game for most of their daily routine unlike us arguing about the game.

 

Yes, Maybe the buyers are topping the ratings(right now), but anyone can top these ratings if they wish to, just by putting in the hardwork that is necessary

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

It's Christmans time soon - may I make a wish?

 

 

This topic would be far more readable and less emotional,

if we all would focus more on actual arguments, give reason to them and discuss with a sober head

and if everyone would stop blaming persons for their opinions or actions

 

thanks in advance :)

 

 

(Please do not fall for the trap to state now "but he started first!". This is not primary school.. so let's just stop it, forget it, and start over)

[RustyNail 1,538]

Can anyone end my suffering? The amount of immaturity in this post...

 

Gabe, please be like with valid arguments and points in his points and stop being such a little child, it would be appreciated. 

Piece of cake. You are not obliged to come here. Never read this again and no more suffering. Case closed.

 

They used not to buy PRO pass because they were too lazy to gather non-druggers and play between themselves in PRO battles. Way easier to play standard battles and blame those who use a game feature for their defeat.

After a three digit number of pages still not getting the difference between use a feature and misuse a feature based on my wallet. Just hopeless...

 

That's the real problem behind the hate against supplies: free-users who simply can't stand to play against people who spent money to get the most powerful tank faster than them

1. See above difference.

2. The most powerful tanks should play with most powerful tanks. Ever wondered why rank difference between players is limited? Players who can afford to drug all the battle time are much more powerful than players who don't. But you can't get it, so conveniently. ;)

 

I will never understand why we care about the opinion of players who will never consider spending money

There is a lot more you can't understand, i.e. that some of the players you mention used to spend money until the drug promotion via SCD. Maybe you just live in a parallel Universe. One that's called Drugger's Heaven.

[Gabe2607 499]

Topping ratings isnt only for those who buy, Its for those who play the game for most of their daily routine unlike us arguing about the game.

 

Yes, Maybe the buyers are topping the ratings(right now), but anyone can top these ratings if they wish to, just by putting in the hardwork that is necessary

I was responding to "successful" user 2000mc, but with drugs as they are designed right now, it will be impossible to see a free user topping a rating, except for Gold Caught or negative K/D :)

 

It's Christmans time soon - may I make a wish?

 

 

This topic would be far more readable and less emotional,

if we all would focus more on actual arguments, give reason to them and discuss with a sober head

and if everyone would stop blaming persons for their opinions or actions

 

thanks in advance :)

 

 

(Please do not fall for the trap to state now "but he started first!". This is not primary school.. so let's just stop it, forget it, and start over)

I love 2000mc :P

 

I meant: whiners are convinced to play as good as possible and can't believe anyone else can play or use game mechanices better than them. Moreover, they make noob mistakes and dare to complain afterwards.

 

I confirm I did microupgrades in early stages and it was a major noob mistake. I confirm I make mistakes in every battle I play (the damn Hunter catches every corner :angry: ). It is actually... "impossible" to complain over own mistakes, isn't it? So I did not do that, while I try to recognize my mistakes and learn from them. Do I believe or did I write anywhere (since you keep track of everything) that I use "game mechanics" better than "them" (them who?)? I am better than some, worse than others: in every battle my performance is different.

 

The only convinced successful player is still you: 2000mc might in fact have the record in getting users banned, thanks to his maniacal continuous taping!

 

And I love you (see @BlackWasp777?) :D

[Gabe2607 499]

If don't consider someone as "successful" who got a big garage, reached Gismo rank right after he upgraded his main combo to M4, owns thousands of supplies and crystals, always managed to afford any item he desired, wins most of the time and all of this without spending a single euro since he registered... Then we definitely underestimated your jealousy!!! :lol:

2000mc Ego coming out :D

 

So, I am guessing all Buyers are not successful because they spent money. Your close friends will be happy to read it from you.

 

You stated "wins most of the time", even if there are several videos, some posted by you, showing otherwise. They especially show your skills in playing as an individual, while lacking team work skills.

 

None under Gismo level can be "successful"? Another interesting opinion of yours...

 

And I am jealous... yes, very jealous... but not of your garage... I am jealous of your lovely pink bedroom from where you fantasize these ideas of yours... :P

 

PS.: in case you did not notice, Tanki Online is a team game. Probably over 95% of users change team mates at each battle. "Success" (winning) depends A LOT on your occasional and unknown team mates. There is no space for "individual success" unless you play those rare Individual Tournaments for same equipment tanks. Do that, get humiliated and return your Ego to Planet Earth. Love ;)

[Spit_Fyre 334]

Simply because a Free-to-play model requires free players. If done correctly, most free players won't mind buying(eventually) in a game they enjoy.

Someone, somewhere, someday - uses a gift card he receives on TO. Now, wouldn't that be nice?

 

Wish we didn't have the kind of people who boo at others who make $1 donations simply because they can and do $100s.

[beaku 2,656]

Someone, somewhere, someday - uses a gift card he receives on TO. Now, wouldn't that be nice?

 

Wish we didn't have the kind of people who boo at others who make $1 donations simply because they can and do $100s.

Exactly... Reminds me of this nice video which I've posted quite a few times in this forum:

 

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Except paint, There's nothing the Buyer's have an advantage on, There are many people who never bought but are Tanki Legends, they have never spent a single penny on this game. Just because you cannot bare the people using supplies against you and Better than you Doesn't make them Buyers. What proof do you have that they have bought stuff on this game, and are using that particular thing against you. 

That's simply not true. Buyers can get many, many drugs. The free-users, while the drugs are available to them (for crystals) cannot profit from the drug kits, and hence will not be able to save up for M4s, M4 modules, etc.  In addition, where did you get the fact that druggers were "better"? Maybe they've played for much longer and hence had much more time to build up a good garage....

 

Whiners don't believe it's possible to become as successful as a buyer without spending a single cent because they consider playing perfectly and can't accept the fact someone else is capable to play harder than them and adapt to the game mechanics wisely.

Of course free players can get anything buyers can. Yeah, 2000mc, back when there were larger drug kits, they could compete. And that makes drugging any less ****** because-----?

 

Topping ratings isnt only for those who buy, Its for those who play the game for most of their daily routine unlike us arguing about the game.

 

Yes, Maybe the buyers are topping the ratings(right now), but anyone can top these ratings if they wish to, just by putting in the hardwork that is necessary

By hardwork, you mean about 8 hours a day, right? Because most people don't have time for that. Plus, who wants to top those ratings? All they show is who's the most addicted and/or who drugs the most.

 

Tanks work the same way for Buyers as well as for those who dont, it's the person who uses the keyboard to play with the tank, not the Tank

Poor deluded soul....Of course it "works" the same, as in same controls, game mechanics, etc. But it's not true that the more skilled user will always win. Usually the bigger drugger wins, if he has just a tiny amount of skill to go with it.

 

Here's the option for non-buyers as they near the top ranks:

 

-Spend your (small) crystal earnings (because you are playing against M4 druggers) on upgrading your equipment. This is a permanent boost. However, it may take years to build up enough savings to get full M4 combination,

-Or 

-Spend your profit on drugs, use it to compete and earn crystals, buy more drugs with the profit, and keep doing that. It will take years for all the profit to accumulate until you have enough to M4 your combo.

-or

-play xp/bp, some multi-weapon  PRO battles (but the good ones are rare)

 

Here's the path for buyers:

 

Buy crystals and drugs, buy all the M3s, upgrade them all to M4, etc.  And then use your equipment in battle, crushing the non-druggers and preventing them from ever saving up enough to reach your level.

 

Of course you may say: "It's possible, I know a lot of M4 players who are non-buyers"  So? I do too.

 

Even then, the supplies system is still dumb. Even if it's possible to build up enough supplies, it doesn't make the system any better. It's still a boring, tactic-less rampage against non-buyers. There's NO reason why not to extend the cooldowns for supplies, and also make the RK last less.  You might say, "They will lose profit because buyers won't be buying as much drugs" but I know many, many others ways to make profit. It's not a good excuse.

In fact, I might even venture to say they're losing profit, because the supplies system makes many players quit. Those players could have stayed and told their friends, which would have been more potential customers and profit.

[Quincie 531]

That's simply not true. Buyers can get many, many drugs. The free-users, while the drugs are available to them (for crystals) cannot profit from the drug kits, and hence will not be able to save up for M4s, M4 modules, etc.  In addition, where did you get the fact that druggers were "better"? Maybe they've played for much longer and hence had much more time to build up a good garage....

The Supplies do still work the same way they do for them and you, it's about the player and how ze uses em.

If you wanna save up for M4s, then try not using your Supplies, play non-supplie maps, there These buyers dont have any advantage

 

By hardwork, you mean about 8 hours a day, right? Because most people don't have time for that. Plus, who wants to top those ratings? All they show is who's the most addicted and/or who drugs the most.

Maybe yeah.. if you wanna top these ratings you gotta put it the necessary hard work its not that these people topping the Ratings just in 1 day, it about the whole week and their playing style.

Not all of these achievements need a necessity of using Supplies, well moveover i dont think any of them do, GoldBoxes can be caught in Non-Supplie battles too, and Crystals/Experience points can also be.!

 

Poor deluded soul....Of course it "works" the same, as in same controls, game mechanics, etc. But it's not true that the more skilled user will always win. Usually the bigger drugger wins, if he has just a tiny amount of skill to go with it.

 

Here's the option for non-buyers as they near the top ranks:

 

-Spend your (small) crystal earnings (because you are playing against M4 druggers) on upgrading your equipment. This is a permanent boost. However, it may take years to build up enough savings to get full M4 combination,

-Or 

-Spend your profit on drugs, use it to compete and earn crystals, buy more drugs with the profit, and keep doing that. It will take years for all the profit to accumulate until you have enough to M4 your combo.

-or

-play xp/bp, some multi-weapon  PRO battles (but the good ones are rare)

 

Here's the path for buyers:

 

Buy crystals and drugs, buy all the M3s, upgrade them all to M4, etc.  And then use your equipment in battle, crushing the non-druggers and preventing them from ever saving up enough to reach your level.

 

Of course you may say: "It's possible, I know a lot of M4 players who are non-buyers"  So? I do too.

 

Even then, the supplies system is still dumb. Even if it's possible to build up enough supplies, it doesn't make the system any better. It's still a boring, tactic-less rampage against non-buyers. There's NO reason why not to extend the cooldowns for supplies, and also make the RK last less.  You might say, "They will lose profit because buyers won't be buying as much drugs" but I know many, many others ways to make profit. It's not a good excuse.

In fact, I might even venture to say they're losing profit, because the supplies system makes many players quit. Those players could have stayed and told their friends, which would have been more potential customers and profit.

Using Supplies only makes your tank stronger, you still need to put in the necessary efforts/skills and use it to it's fullest if not, then your tank with M4s and All Supplies are of no use! Only a skilled player knows how to encounter such players with caution and win against em! Therefore you shall develop that type of skill inside yourself

 

Farming crystals for a non buyer would take his way towards a buyer's garage. But how could you decide that this particular person has been buying crystals and not doing the thing that you told that they can? Non-buyers have a lots of options to use to earn crystals, maybe not more than the buyers, but it just needs to be used in the right way without being lazy of doing it again and again. I myself havent bought anything in this game for years, yet I make my self able to compete against the current-year's players cause ik the game mechanics well and good as I'm an old player. Skills are to be made, no-one was born with it.

 

Buyers are people who buy a lot of crystals, True!

But at the end they'll face problems too if they dont use their weapons correctly. As I said, Skills are to be made, no-one is born with it. So it doesn't matter how much crystals he's bought or how many M4's he has. It all comes back to his skills of playing, his experience of this game, his knowledge of the game mechanics.

 

 

I myself am a Buyer and a Dugger. Ik the way the Buyers/Druggers feel. In every battle. I can spot that one Non-Drugging player that turns out to be my most annoying opponent. Just this how frustrating it would be if you bought so many crystals. got the best equipments of your choices but still get annoyed by non-druggers.

[Quincie 531]

I was responding to "successful" user 2000mc, but with drugs as they are designed right now, it will be impossible to see a free user topping a rating, except for Gold Caught or negative K/D :)

How can you say that there is no Single player yet found in the top ratings who isn't a Buyer? you just think that he has got so much, he must be a buyer, but actually he's just playing the game better then others.

 

I meant: whiners are convinced to play as good as possible and can't believe anyone else can play or use game mechanices better than them. Moreover, they make noob mistakes and dare to complain afterwards.

Why are they only convinced to play as good as possible ? So you're saying that rest of the tanki players play just for fun-ze ? if so then this is surely gonna happen to you.

 

Every person wants to win, but there cant be 2 winners. So to be the lucky one of em and win these you shall play to your fullest and compete in the best way you can, well if you arent as good as them, you'll build up slowly but surely

 

Making mistakes is a part of our life. They can be minor or major, the question if you remember it for the rest of your life and regret it or forget and try not doing the same again

[SentinelTower 6]

You might say, "They will lose profit because buyers won't be buying as much drugs" but I know many, many others ways to make profit. It's not a good excuse.

 

In fact, I might even venture to say they're losing profit, because the supplies system makes many players quit. Those players could have stayed and told their friends, which would have been more potential customers and profit.

I heartily agree. A lot of the buyers' arguments are hinged on the "fact" that Tanki will lose profit if they shortened the F2P/P2W gap.

 

However, Tanki has done quite a lot to show that they are in fact losing profit already -- buyer-only sales and paints, changing some kits to be only attainable through real life money, adding a gold box update, etc. They're scrounging for cash at this point, because they're losing players at a rapid rate due to the very imbalance they're feeding.

 

If Tanki had actually balanced its game and made the F2P/P2W chasm a bit smaller, I'd probably be playing a lot more and telling a lot of my friends. My friends might tell their friends, and their friends' friends, and that's just from me. A lot of players would be doing the same thing, which would amount to hundreds of thousands of players. A lot of those players might become buyers, but they were reached through free players. In a way, the more free players Tanki has, the more potential customers they have.

 

In general, it's better to have more customers who are willing to pay a little than a few customers who are forced to pay a lot.

 

Sadly, Tanki developers don't see it this way. They'd rather pamper the current buyers they have than fix the game and attract new ones.

 

Same rules apply for this post as for my last one -- if you want to make an argument, do so in a fashion that lets me know there's a sentient being behind the keyboard. If you just want to whine, I'd suggest you save those few hundred calories you'd use for typing for something more productive... like giving a homeless person food.

[PracticeParkourStunt 2,542]

If you need to point out my grammar mistakes, but leave everything else in my post without an answer, shows you don't have 1 for them ;) Glad to see people prove that I'm correct. And I'm not even English, so I hope you understand that my English isn't perfect, but I'm pretty sure you still understood what I said earlier :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's great to see people who seem mature enough to have an intelligent conversation actually answering me with good arguments, good job there :)

 

But this kind of ruined the picture of a mature person  :mellow:  :mellow:

 

 

 

PS, I agree there are kid druggers too, but not in this sense. 

 

PSS. I honestly  do not care if I make small grammar mistakes

Hi,

Are you trying to say that if I do not like how the game works, I should play another game and not Tanki Online?

Thank you for your time and uncooperation.

@Lankero, I see that you replied to almost everyone's comment who quoted your post, except mine. Why so? Are you not willing to tell the harsh truth and are you just simply going to complain that we are childish? If you are not going to give out the harsh truth by replying to my quoting (above), then I believe that you are the one who is being childish. 

Sincerely,

@PracticeParkourStunt

[PracticeParkourStunt 2,542]

@Lankero, I see that you replied to almost everyone's comment who quoted your post, except mine. Why so? Are you not willing to tell the harsh truth and are you just simply going to complain that we are childish? If you are not going to give out the harsh truth by replying to my quoting (above), then I believe that you are the one who is being childish. 

Sincerely,

@PracticeParkourStunt

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[railguniz4noobz 2,394]

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You signature your posts with your username, why? Its not like we cant see your username above the post. And theres an edit button for a reason.

[PracticeParkourStunt 2,542]

You signature your posts with your username, why? Its not like we cant see your username above the post. And theres an edit button for a reason.

Yeah I know, but it just feels good to me, as if I am writing a real letter.

And I did not edited it, because if someone were to quote my post but change the texts, they could simply say that I edited my post, and the original was different. 

[Quincie 531]

Not the rest, a lot of players but this wasn't my point here. I'm specifically talking about free-users who call buyer with disdain anyone with a M4 and using supplies. They can't believe it's possible to be successful without paying because they consider playing at their best and yet can't afford both. They can't accept anyone manages their wallet wiser than them either. Too many players buy hastily during sales and realise they should have focused on one item at a time afterwards :rolleyes:

Well then they need to believe and work towards it. 

Sales are not only for the Buyers, non-buyers too get the advantages of it during Garage sales and all that a buyer can get from the Shop with real money isn't better then anything that a non buyer can get from the Garage

[Quincie 531]

Yes!!! That's my main point!!!

 

 

But they can't get into their head they should adapt to the game to have fun instead of whining and insult noob druggers 24/7 since devs will never reduce the imbalance!!! This isn't my opinion but a FACT!!!

I meant they need to believe in playing competitive against the buyers

 

Why would you care about anyone else's money? he earned it he has the rights to use it where ever he wants to 

[Gabe2607 499]

How can you say that there is no Single player yet found in the top ratings who isn't a Buyer? you just think that he has got so much, he must be a buyer, but actually he's just playing the game better then others.

In that context I used the term "free users", while I should have wrote "non druggers". Again, I have not particular beef towards buyers of equipment, paint, double cards, premium, etc. The main problem is the usage of drugs. You would agree that drugs make a tank multiple times stronger than another tank, right? Therefore one user having access to hundred thousands drugs will annihilate another user collecting a dozen of them through Daily Missions (under Gismo Level).

[ll.xx.indian.xx.ll 69]

Promotional websites of mainstream movies... IMDB is free of charge for users, Yahoo is free of charge for users... I am not sure this helps you...

 

Facebook is making 1.5 billion dollars per month from ads which is the vast majority of their income... Google makes 6+ billions dollars per month from ads... I am not sure this helps you....

 

A company like Tanki Online does not have to go with Google AdSense, but make contracts with sponsors and place ads in the game so that they do not bother users.

 

1) Never said equipment, paint, Premium, Double Card cannot be for payment. In theory even drugs, as long they give +20%, not +100%.

2) You kept saying you never spent and you made a Topic where you will never invest, my Contradiction cheapstake colleague.

well said :-)

[ll.xx.indian.xx.ll 69]

I'm talking about forever cheapskate players like Gabe2607 who want Tanki to be 100% free so that they can be as powerful as buyers. Come on, just read between the lines, it's so obvious.

Some people cheap minded like ......who thoughts about only on rich or spending people . In this world there will be many people like you 2000mc . This is a simple video game, many kids or boys played this game now . many players of them have very good skills and intelligence than you. If a supplies user like  you who is 27 years older and  has not great pro skills and  drugging in hole battle with overpowred  turrets and hulls ,at last you win. And you think you played very well. LOL... so a kid or a boy who had already great skills or played hard , what about him huh!!! what they learn from this game? With money any dumb can win this game. So this topic had been started . 

 

 

By the way Tanki Online Community is working on it . Already your time is over  , now this game is totally balanced and far better than before . After my main account had been blocked....but I still played with you many times with diferent higher accounts .  I know you will remember me .

[ll.xx.indian.xx.ll 69]

Make supplies free for everyone and the whiners will then cry about how it isnt fair other players have better equipment than them  :rolleyes:

No one want tanki online will be 100% free . All non buyer players want some reduce power of supplies. then this game will be like world of tanks . I played both game tanki online and world of tanks , there also spending system , there also has APCR ammo shell ( called also GOLD ammo ) but it is not too overpowered like tanki online supplies . so supplies must be reduces his powered. 

 

 

By the way Tanki Online Community is working on it  . Now this game is totally balanced and far better than before . 

[Total_SkiIl 1,983]

No one want tanki online will be 100% free . All non buyer players want some reduce power of supplies. then this game will be like world of tanks . I played both game tanki online and world of tanks , there also spending system , there also has APCR ammo shell ( called also GOLD ammo ) but its is not too overpowered like tanki online supplies . so supplies must be reduces his powered. 

 

 

By the way Tanki Online Community is working on it  . Now this game is totally balanced and far better than before . 

I am a non-buyer and I don't want to reduce power of garage supplies.

[ll.xx.indian.xx.ll 69]

Win = Fun and Lots of Crystals

Lose = Less Fun and Scraps

 

I presented two, well thought out, thought provoking posts that were detailed and you say that ^. Proves you don't want to help yourself and find sound alternatives. Looks like you've exhausted your avenues and reached your limits.

No one want tanki online will be 100% free . All non buyer players want some reduce power of supplies. then this game will be like world of tanks . I played both game tanki online and world of tanks , there also spending system , there also has APCR ammo shell ( called also GOLD ammo ) but it is not too overpowered like tanki online supplies . so supplies must be reduces his powered. After that updated ( when pro battle pass very cheap prices ) noones playing in standards battles , they are playing mostly time in non supplies battles. If reduces supplies power then many players will join in drugging battle. this is profit for TO community , if all nonbuyers  play in non supplies battles then what you will do . you want to always drugging on non buyers or noobs . so they will losses from tanki online. 

 

 

By the way Tanki Online Community is working on it  . Now this game is totally balanced and far better than before .