Reduce power of garage supplies

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[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

"There is no point in denying that a well-timed Repair Kit or Double Armor can save you and possibly the whole battle." -- Tanki, Dec 2016

 

[BLASTER872 1,892]

How is drugging part of a bad system? It's the economy that's "messed up", not the drugs, so don't go blaming those.

[Katydid 97]

My main turret is Isida and am a prime target in any battle. I'm a healer (the medic, as it were) not an attacker. I use speed (and hornet) so I can get to my team mates across the map in a hurry so I can do my job. I, also use double armor so I can survive to maybe heal one more of my team mates before I die.....again.

 

As for my other accounts, yes, when I was a buyer years ago, I drugged just like the rest. But it got too expensive, now I'm a non-buyer. Having been on both sides of the fence, I agree with your suggestion that the effect of the drugs be reduced to the limit of the next rank up. When others drug, their weapon can easily take me out in one shot, even with double armor. If their not drugging, I can with stand it takes 2 shots to kill me. If I use double armor, after the 2 shots, I have about 10% health left. A shot from a railgun can whiz by my head and I'm dead.

 

Twins can come into our base with double armor. They see me and add double damage (or visa versa). A non-drugging twins I can usually take out if I have 100% health. But if I meet a fully drugged twins, all it takes is 4 shots and I'm road kill. I might as well battle with the Gizmos.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

"There is no point in denying that a well-timed Repair Kit or Double Armor can save you and possibly the whole battle." -- Tanki, Dec 2016

 

 

 

Nobody is denying that.  This post is completely irrelevant.

It wasn't. You are wrong.  I made use of its contents in my very next post. Please scroll up and see.

 

It was a helpful reminder from Tanki and served a purpose describing @Gabe2607's style of play in standard battles as selfish and a hindrance to his team, especially when playing against heavy supply users when the scores are close. 

 

So as you said, "Nobody is denying that", I take it you do not disagree with me on this matter. Thanks for your support.

[Gabe2607 499]

Please do not describe players who are in the topic as "Trolls".  I find this name-calling provocative. If you have examples of rule-breaks that the helpers have not spotted please report it and I'm sure they'll deal with it.

 

I'm certain I've not broken any rules.

Another post off topic made by the usual gang and therefore trolling. Next !

[Dliver 436]

Btw, check this guy, 127 supplies / hour, AND the rank OMG.

http://ratings.tankionline.com/en/user/Dliver/

 

He beat me to dust, using only DD + DA + Health pack (+prodigi, probably MUed), every single time. I literally couldn't kill him at all. What's the point in playing with such ... dudes? <_<

I just came across this post about me and though it was posted almost a year ago I would like to answer it. Yes I am a drugger. If you are not aware of it, the rules allow them. I play by the rules and will use every advantage I can get to win. I don't hack, I don't cheat or sabotage. I play by the rules. I even play non drug games when I can find them. I don't complain when I'm getting the crap knocked out of me because I joined a game with a bunch of noobs who can't find their backsides and were getting the crap knocked out of them. I joined their battle to try and help them have a more even game because the other team goes into a killing frenzy and  just pounds them into the ground.  Usually the other team just sits there and spawn kills  not giving the team they're playing any chance. So I join to give them that chance. I usually stay to the end of a game even at 6 to 1 odds (except when the other team spawn kills). So all I got to say is this - "If you don't like drugs, form non-drug battles, I'll be more than happy to play you there too, and probably beat the crap out of you too." So get over it. There are a lot of more serious problems in the game where people are cheating and ruining the game for honest players. Don't get your panties in a twist when someone uses the rules to their advantage and plays by those rules all the time.

[Dliver 436]

Man... We were waiting for this comment for ages, what have you done for all this time!!!??? :lol:

Been playing the game. Sorry for waiting so long to answer this topic.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

I don't hack, I don't cheat or sabotage. I play by the rules.

Very commendable!

 

 

I joined their battle to try and help them have a more even game because the other team goes into a killing frenzy and  just pounds them into the ground.

I have done this all my tanki career. There is no thanks for it here though.  One strong drugger joining a losing side can be the difference of that side just getting 20% of the battlefund or 80%. They don't see it as assistance and some here would rather press pause and hide in the garage  than to play with you. (I'm mentioning no names because they seem to be able to command special favour from certain quarters and I'd probably get a warning point for even daring to mention their name).

 

 

There are a lot of more serious problems in the game where people are cheating and ruining the game for honest players. Don't get your panties in a twist when someone uses the rules to their advantage and plays by those rules all the time.

I'm sorry you were picked on for public shaming and humiliation but you've handled yourself well and seem to have your head on straight in terms of what is right and wrong. 

 

Merry Christmas!

 

[Gabe2607 499]

I just came across this post about me and though it was posted almost a year ago I would like to answer it. Yes I am a drugger. If you are not aware of it, the rules allow them. I play by the rules and will use every advantage I can get to win. I don't hack, I don't cheat or sabotage. I play by the rules. I even play non drug games when I can find them. I don't complain when I'm getting the crap knocked out of me because I joined a game with a bunch of noobs who can't find their backsides and were getting the crap knocked out of them. I joined their battle to try and help them have a more even game because the other team goes into a killing frenzy and  just pounds them into the ground.  Usually the other team just sits there and spawn kills  not giving the team they're playing any chance. So I join to give them that chance. I usually stay to the end of a game even at 6 to 1 odds (except when the other team spawn kills). So all I got to say is this - "If you don't like drugs, form non-drug battles, I'll be more than happy to play you there too, and probably beat the crap out of you too." So get over it. There are a lot of more serious problems in the game where people are cheating and ruining the game for honest players. Don't get your panties in a twist when someone uses the rules to their advantage and plays by those rules all the time.

Beside your desire to reply a post of 10 months ago, could you point out what of the above is related to the Topic?

[Dliver 436]

Beside your desire to reply a post of 10 months ago, could you point out what of the above is related to the Topic?

I will type slowly so that you can understand and follow what I'm about to say..... In the game of Tanki, Drugs = Garage Supplies. Also in the game there is a running debate as to whether or not they are good for the game. Some view the use of Garage Supplies (aka Drugs) as cheating. That is why they are constantly whining about the use of Garage Supplies (aka Drugs) or calling for them to be nerfed (nerfed means reduced in power or length of effect) ( Are you following me so far, I am typing real slow so you can keep up) So those people ( sometimes called Trolls) like to harass those that use Garage Supplies (aka Drugs), even though it is well within their rights according to the rules. I was just trying to point out that those using Garage Supplies (aka Drugs) are following the rules and are not cheating. They are in fact, for the most part, the ones who follow the rules most closely. Unlike those that harass them (aka Trolls) who are constantly breaking the rules about sabotage and harassment. So that is why it applies to this form topic. ( Did you get that or do I have to use even smaller words for you to understand what I was talking about)

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

It wasn't. You are wrong.  I made use of its contents in my very next post. Please scroll up and see.

 

It was a helpful reminder from Tanki and served a purpose describing @Gabe2607's style of play in standard battles as selfish and a hindrance to his team, especially when playing against heavy supply users when the scores are close. 

 

So as you said, "Nobody is denying that", I take it you do not disagree with me on this matter. Thanks for your support.

Don't be so quick to say "You are wrong". Because they are "part of the game" and that I know that, doesn't mean I feel they should always be used in battle.  

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

I will type slowly so that you can understand and follow what I'm about to say..... In the game of Tanki, Drugs = Garage Supplies. Also in the game there is a running debate as to whether or not they are good for the game. Some view the use of Garage Supplies (aka Drugs) as cheating. That is why they are constantly whining about the use of Garage Supplies (aka Drugs) or calling for them to be nerfed (nerfed means reduced in power or length of effect) ( Are you following me so far, I am typing real slow so you can keep up) So those people ( sometimes called Trolls) like to harass those that use Garage Supplies (aka Drugs), even though it is well within their rights according to the rules. I was just trying to point out that those using Garage Supplies (aka Drugs) are following the rules and are not cheating. They are in fact, for the most part, the ones who follow the rules most closely. Unlike those that harass them (aka Trolls) who are constantly breaking the rules about sabotage and harassment. So that is why it applies to this form topic. ( Did you get that or do I have to use even smaller words for you to understand what I was talking about.

This, and your earlier post, clear up my understanding of druggers' attitude immensely. Thank you. :)

 

So Now what I can take from it is that you will do anything to get ahead as long as it's within the rules. You don't care how an action affects others and the game, but stick to "the rules" and have a very strong sense of your "right" to use the supplies.

 

In which case I ask you another question (and I really hope you will give me an honest answer or at least try to explain your reason for declining) : 

 

If planting mults was legal, within the rules, and available to buyers and non-buyers alike, would you do it?

[railguniz4noobz 2,394]

If planting mults was legal, within the rules, and available to buyers and non-buyers alike, would you do it?

Well of course, everyone would do it. 

[Dliver 436]

If planting mults was legal, within the rules, and available to buyers and non-buyers alike, would you do it?

AH, the fall back of everyone who seeks to control others. That's like asking if they allowed cheating and hacks would you do it. The cool thing about this game is they allow both the use of Supplies and non use of Supplies philosophies. You can play battles that allow supplies and those that don't. The problem is that those who don't like the use of supplies try to force those that use supplies into not using them instead of playing non-supply games where they can be happy. So no I'm not going to get into a "what if" argument. They are endless and pointless. My suggestion to you is go find a nice no supply game and play it. Then invite me and we can see who has the most skill.

[Dliver 436]

This, and your earlier post, clear up my understanding of druggers' attitude immensely. Thank you. :)

 

So Now what I can take from it is that you will do anything to get ahead as long as it's within the rules. You don't care how an action affects others and the game, but stick to "the rules" and have a very strong sense of your "right" to use the supplies.

As to this part of your post. What I take away from it is that you're a person who likes to take what people say and impute bad motives to them and twist what they say into something they didn't even mention to make them look bad when they disagree with you. I certainly do care what effect my game play has on others, that's why I scrupulously stick to the rules. That's what they are there for. To level the playing field for everyone. It's the people who hack and harass honest players that are ruining the game. If you truly want no advantage for anyone then I take it that you think everyone should just be playing with m0 smokey and m0 hunter, no protections, green paint with no cover on a flat playing field. A very boring game.

 

But that's not what we have. We have a very dynamic game where everyone can play as they want. We have a large selection of hulls, turrets, and protections to suit any style of play. We have a large selection of maps to keep things interesting. You can use Supplies as you wish or join battles that don't allow Supplies for the purist. One of the worst things they did was remove the supply kit from being able to be purchased with crystals earned in the game. I was very vocal on the forums against that decision because I felt it put players who can't afford to put much money into the game at a disadvantage. Though you probably view that as a victory.

 

So in conclusion I feel that if you are following the rules that there is no adverse effect on the game. The game allows for both styles of play. Supply and no Supply games are available. It's the whinners, harassers, hackers and saboteurs who are ruining the game.

[Dliver 436]

 

 

 

I'm sorry you were picked on for public shaming and humiliation but you've handled yourself well and seem to have your head on straight in terms of what is right and wrong. 

NP, I have nothing to be ashamed of, I haven't done anything wrong. Thanks for your comments though.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

Don't be so quick to say "You are wrong".

But you were wrong. Next time, please don't be so quick to accuse me of things. Thanks kindly.

 

 

You don't care how an action affects others and the game...

Have you been listening? He said that he joins weaker sides to help them so they don't get thrashed.

 

 

In which case I ask you another question

You haven't asked any yet.

 

 

If planting mults was legal, within the rules, and available to buyers and non-buyers alike, would you do it?

Here we go again. You're not content with the deletion of 12hrs worth of posts and you're starting this tangent again! Some of my detailed replies which took time & effort to type, using facts & links were deleted in that purge immediately after RustyNail weighed-in with his implied profanity, insults and provocation (screenshot pms available on request).

 

Well of course, everyone would do it. 

You'd mult and sabotage? Don't let iaw hear you say that.

 

You've just blown his twisted line of questioning out of the water. The trap was meant for druggers only!

 

He's going to have to tell you why you are wrong and you'll use any situation, legal or illegal to get ahead in this game and you're worse than a drugger. He's going to tell you that you have no moral compass and do not care if you trample over anyone to reach your goals. I'm sure he'll be very disappointed in you! At least send him a gift from the garage by way of an apology!

[Gabe2607 499]

I will type slowly so that you can understand and follow what I'm about to say..... In the game of Tanki, Drugs = Garage Supplies. Also in the game there is a running debate as to whether or not they are good for the game. Some view the use of Garage Supplies (aka Drugs) as cheating. That is why they are constantly whining about the use of Garage Supplies (aka Drugs) or calling for them to be nerfed (nerfed means reduced in power or length of effect) ( Are you following me so far, I am typing real slow so you can keep up) So those people ( sometimes called Trolls) like to harass those that use Garage Supplies (aka Drugs), even though it is well within their rights according to the rules. I was just trying to point out that those using Garage Supplies (aka Drugs) are following the rules and are not cheating. They are in fact, for the most part, the ones who follow the rules most closely. Unlike those that harass them (aka Trolls) who are constantly breaking the rules about sabotage and harassment. So that is why it applies to this form topic. ( Did you get that or do I have to use even smaller words for you to understand what I was talking about)

The slow typing does not change the fact that you are just a Troll. Reduce power of garage supplies has nothing to do with cheaters, mults, drugs being legal/illegal or anything else of the empty crap written above and before.

[Dliver 436]

The slow typing does not change the fact that you are just a Troll. Reduce power of garage supplies has nothing to do with cheaters, mults, drugs being legal/illegal or anything else of the empty crap written above and before.

But that is where you are wrong and truly shows your lack of comprehension. What I've posted has everything to do with this topic. You are arguing the case that Supplies need to be nerfed or even done away with because you feel that they are ruining the game. I, on the other hand, am arguing that Supplies have been provided by the developers to be used by players in the game. That they are allowed by the rules so can be used by those who choose to use them. The developers have also made provision for those who don't like the use of Supplies by providing for them battles that prohibit Supplies. So the point is this, why are you even arguing this point and seemingly made it your mission in life to attack anyone with a differing opinion when there are battles that prohibit supplies that you could easily play and enjoy. I know they are available because I play no supply games too. So there is really no need to do anything about supplies because people can enjoy playing without them in no supply games. For those who don't mind using them they are taken care of too in games that allow supplies.

 

So why do you attack everyone who disagrees with you? Why do you name call and harass those that get the better of you in debates about this topic? What is the point when there is really no argument to be made? Do you really think the developers are going to do away with supplies or adjust them? Just look at the adjustments made to mines. They increased the interval with which they could be dropped. Then quickly shortened again because of the outcry against the move. They also have made it easier to use supplies by reducing the number of cool down conflicts with them. Doesn't that seem to indicate that the developers are happy with players using drugs.

 

So once again, why the argument, why the anger when if you want you can play drug free games.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

So why do you attack everyone who disagrees with you? Why do you name call and harass those that get the better of you in debates about this topic? What is the point when there is really no argument to be made?

The problem with @Gabe2607's style of play and most of the advocates of this topic is one of balance.

 

As you have pointed out, the devs have gave us equipment, micro-upgrades, supplies, a variety of maps, passes, game modes and a whole host of in-game options so we need to balance these things to have an enjoyable experience. If a player chooses not to buy or is unable to then this balance is of critical importance.

 

If a player focuses purely on equipment and micro upgrades, discarding supply missions in favour of crystal ones, then the scales will be tipped to one side and the balance is gone.  This is made worse if the player in question willingly chooses to not use many supplies, (if any in Gabe's case) in supplies-enabled battles.

 

Naturally buyers will have a big advantage and a variety of choices available to them so a free to play player needs to react accordingly. They are restricted in what they can achieve with buyers around. This is the nature of f2p games. 

 

So style of play, making the right choices in standard battles for when to camp, when to attack, map selection etc are all made irrelevant if the player is not willing to use a well-timed supply to help himself or his team go for that win. This type of player should expect defeat and hope for better. One thing he should never do is complain about the choices he has made. 

 

Obviously the most exciting battles are the ones where we can use supplies and that's the draw. If you can't compete in them then you can't compete in them. There will always be someone with better equipment, more crystals, more supplies and more friends than you. Players shouldn't resort to pressing Pause and hiding in the garage, they should know their limitations and act accordingly. Get a pass and play in the battles where you can compete is the message or start using the supplies you've been given!

 

After saying all this, advocates of this topic will still find excuses for their choices.

The devs have provided so run along and have fun! :rolleyes:

 

 

[CooperO 7,956]

I would like all of you to take note of the fact that harsher consequences will follow for every player that continues to go off topic and/or resorts to personal insults and provocations from now on. Also, please do not respond to players who continue to do so, as it will only cause more off topic posts and more provocations. 

Keep discussing supplies, why they're good or bad, what the problems with them are and how things can be made better for everyone, ideas are welcome.

 

Thank you.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Well of course, everyone would do it. 

Thank you! :)  Exactly my point.

 

 

 

AH, the fall back of everyone who seeks to control others. That's like asking if they allowed cheating and hacks would you do it. The cool thing about this game is they allow both the use of Supplies and non use of Supplies philosophies. You can play battles that allow supplies and those that don't. The problem is that those who don't like the use of supplies try to force those that use supplies into not using them instead of playing non-supply games where they can be happy. So no I'm not going to get into a "what if" argument. They are endless and pointless. My suggestion to you is go find a nice no supply game and play it. Then invite me and we can see who has the most skill.

I have already proven that there are simply not any good NS battles at this rank.  Sure I can create one and invite friends but it's boring to play with and against the same people every time.  

 

In addition, we're talking about standard battles here, so please, stop evading the question and changing the topic. Thank you.

As to this part of your post. What I take away from it is that you're a person who likes to take what people say and impute bad motives to them and twist what they say into something they didn't even mention to make them look bad when they disagree with you. I certainly do care what effect my game play has on others, that's why I scrupulously stick to the rules. That's what they are there for. To level the playing field for everyone. It's the people who hack and harass honest players that are ruining the game. If you truly want no advantage for anyone then I take it that you think everyone should just be playing with m0 smokey and m0 hunter, no protections, green paint with no cover on a flat playing field. A very boring game.

 

But that's not what we have. We have a very dynamic game where everyone can play as they want. We have a large selection of hulls, turrets, and protections to suit any style of play. We have a large selection of maps to keep things interesting. You can use Supplies as you wish or join battles that don't allow Supplies for the purist. One of the worst things they did was remove the supply kit from being able to be purchased with crystals earned in the game. I was very vocal on the forums against that decision because I felt it put players who can't afford to put much money into the game at a disadvantage. Though you probably view that as a victory.

 

So in conclusion I feel that if you are following the rules that there is no adverse effect on the game. The game allows for both styles of play. Supply and no Supply games are available. It's the whinners, harassers, hackers and saboteurs who are ruining the game.

1. I am not "imputing bad motives" to anyone.  I am merely showing the "bad side" of their motives. That doesn't mean the motives themselves are bad, and I hope you understand that.  In addition, you'll learn later that people don't mention things that make them look bad. That's human nature.

 

2. "Sticking to the rules", as you say, isn't THAT commendable. What do you have to do? Not hack, mult, sabotage, and insult. I find it quite easy for a normal player to "stick to the rules". It's not worth much in my opinion.  As I have already said, mults and heavy druggers in a game often give the same feeling to non-druggers.

 

3. Please stop putting words into my mouth to make me look ridiculous. I never said anything of the sort to bring everyone to Smoky, Hunter, same-modification, etc. In fact I would probably hate that more than you. Diversity, diversity of maps, turrets, hulls, game-modes, etc., is very important and I'm sure you've seen some of my post supporting that. :)  Also, I am very well aware that a definite and pronounced advantage has to be given to buyers.  Within this "rule" we have many different systems for doing so. TO's is one of the worst I've ever seen. 

 

4. Removing the supplies kit was in fact good IMO.  Again, I am not here to argue against buyers getting an advantage. But what the supplies kit did is enabled all the high-ranked non-buyers to drug very heavily. As a result there was a huge advantage towards the much older players that discouraged newer ones. Should standard battles only be for Legends?  Moderate drugging from missions and chains should help the imbalance without turning it into a drugfest. That's what SCD-off battles are for.

 

5. "No adverse effect on the game". I would have to disagree with you quite strongly right there. The bad system is enforced by the rules.  

 

But you were wrong. Next time, please don't be so quick to accuse me of things. Thanks kindly.

Obviously you weren't paying much attention. I wasn't so "quick" to do anything. 

 

Have you been listening? He said that he joins weaker sides to help them so they don't get thrashed.

But I guarantee you that they wouldn't be "trashed" as much if the stronger side wasn't drugging. This argument goes both ways and gravitates towards me. ;)

 

You haven't asked any yet.

Sorry about that. An honest mistake. You're not going to make capital of that and turn it into an argument, are you?

 

Here we go again. You're not content with the deletion of 12hrs worth of posts and you're starting this tangent again! Some of my detailed replies which took time & effort to type, using facts & links were deleted in that purge immediately after RustyNail weighed-in with his implied profanity, insults and provocation (screenshot pms available on request).

I honestly had no idea that 12 hrs of posts were hidden.  And I honestly don't think it was because of the content in mine, either.

 

You'd mult and sabotage? Don't let iaw hear you say that.

You've just blown his twisted line of questioning out of the water. The trap was meant for druggers only!

He's going to have to tell you why you are wrong and you'll use any situation, legal or illegal to get ahead in this game and you're worse than a drugger. He's going to tell you that you have no moral compass and do not care if you trample over anyone to reach your goals. I'm sure he'll be very disappointed in you! At least send him a gift from the garage by way of an apology!

 

In fact I am very proud of him for at least answering my question.  And I will explain it to him ;) . But we are good friends. 

 

 

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The developers have also made provision for those who don't like the use of Supplies by providing for them battles that prohibit Supplies......

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I know they[supplies-off games] are available because I play no supply games too. So there is really no need to do anything about supplies because people can enjoy playing without them in no supply games. For those who don't mind using them they are taken care of too in games that allow supplies.

Then what do you think of the proposal to disable supplies by default in normal battles? Non-druggers can have their games and supply loves can have their games. And I know they would be available.

 

Do you really think the developers are going to do away with supplies or adjust them? Just look at the adjustments made to mines. They increased the interval with which they could be dropped. Then quickly shortened again because of the outcry against the move. They also have made it easier to use supplies by reducing the number of cool down conflicts with them. Doesn't that seem to indicate that the developers are happy with players using drugs.

There is a possibility, yes. But I would just like to see people at least striving for a fair game and not their own virtual success.

 

So once again, why the argument, why the anger when if you want you can play drug free games.

 

:rolleyes:

[Dliver 436]

I would like all of you to take note of the fact that harsher consequences will follow for every player that continues to go off topic and/or resorts to personal insults and provocations from now on. Also, please do not respond to players who continue to do so, as it will only cause more off topic posts and more provocations. 

Keep discussing supplies, why they're good or bad, what the problems with them are and how things can be made better for everyone, ideas are welcome.

 

Thank you.

Could you be more specific as to who is going off topic. I thought the discussion was about whether or not adjustments needed to be made to garage supplies. Then we will not inadvertently include or answer someone that we shouldn't.

[Gabe2607 499]

Could you be more specific as to who is going off topic. I thought the discussion was about whether or not adjustments needed to be made to garage supplies. Then we will not inadvertently include or answer someone that we shouldn't.

Your previous post was on the dot except for a little tiny flare ("those that get the better of you in debates") which I will drop. Reasons for nerfing have been explained. You explained your own reasons.

 

Also AbsoluteZero seems (I did not study it yet...) to have posted more than properly.

 

This one just to appreciate the effort of everyone, Mod included.