Reduce power of garage supplies

[Mister.Sister 3,574]

I usually only drug Armor/Damage + Repair... While that does have me last long enough to get the pickups, smart cooldowns still force me to grab pickups to keep me supplies active.

 

I agree though... drugs are pretty damn OP.

 

People would only buy the 100 drug kit

 

And that means the discount is 60% off.

 

But calculating crystal prices... actually, too lazy.

 

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I believe the solution is not debuffing drugs but making them more accessible. Making daily missions give a less pathetic number of them.

It was upon Tanki's decision to remove the 1.5k Drug Kit from the garage and move it to the Shop. Well there are 2 reasons why this was made from my opinion.

• Less players are playing than before.
• I believe Tanki is losing money from somewhere (Spending a lot on Tanki X - Which I do not play) So they need to get money from the most top selling kit in the garage. For Tanki this was an easy solution to earn more money. I might be wrong but when I look back at it, it seems logical.

And your solution is actually a good idea to impose on tanki in Ideas and Suggestions section. This will actually be a very popular solution. Which I have now created the topic... (waiting for it to be approved)

[Vivianne 442]

That's not what I mean, if you pick up a double damage it last longer than when you just drug it.

 

I don't remember how much longer exactly, but it is longer by a few seconds.

 

And the garage drugs are overpriced ;) I get mine from buying equipment kits, gives me a load

But if there's a team or players who drug... there's a higher chance of winning, are they really overpriced?

[Mister.Sister 3,574]

Nah the prize is reasonable for the amount of drugs knowing as well, its as a 80% discount.

[railguniz4noobz 2,394]

Nah the prize is reasonable for the amount of drugs knowing as well, its as a 80% discount.

80% if you buy them from a shop, what about the 50% discount the free players complaining about them get?

[Mister.Sister 3,574]

80% if you buy them from a shop, what about the 50% discount the free players complaining about them get?

What about those complaining? They have the same right as me to but the 1.5k Kit. Those who only wait for a sale must be patient..

 

I dont see your point.

[r_carlo1234 118]

What would you "druggers" say if Tanki ever decides to make regular battles not allow the use of garage supplies, only dropped supplies?

 

That would be great for you druggers because you can play PRO Batlles, where garage supplies can be activated, with other druggers.

 

What's that!? Don't tell me that you like drugging against non druggers!

 

And don't start complaining because we'll just use a Repair Kit... I mean, the argument of: "If you don't like it go play PRO Battles".

 

 

PS. I got the RK joke from looking at Classic's profile. ;)

[Mister.Sister 3,574]

What would you "druggers" say if Tanki ever decides to make regular battles not allow the use of garage supplies, only dropped supplies?

 

That would be great for you druggers because you can play PRO Batlles, where garage supplies can be activated, with other druggers.

 

What's that!? Don't tell me that you like drugging against non druggers!

 

And don't start complaining because we'll just use a Repair Kit... I mean, the argument of: "If you don't like it go play PRO Battles".

 

 

PS. I got the RK joke from looking at Classic's profile. ;)

- Well that is a solution which you can make here...  Ideas and Suggestions

- Well it will make those who dont want to drug easier for them to understand in some sort of way. But the Pro pass is designed for players to make battles in their own requirements, from 999 Flags to Private battles, which I dont think that your idea will happen.

- I my self have about 7k of each so for me it does not bother to drug or not ._.

 

What joke  :unsure:

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

The battle fund grows faster due to the speed, actually

 

Ergo, mastered, since it takes skill ;)

 

I play No-supply battles, don't see why you'd complain about druggers where drugging is allowed.

 

I have not been in a drug war since I need to save drugs, but I'm sure someone who has will agree fund grows much faster.

No, it grows slower due to the use of Repair kits, which prevent people from dying and adding to the battle fund.

 

Sometimes if there's only a few big druggers and they're killing 2 tanks a second, yes, the fund will grow faster, but only they will get most of it, and only because the others aren't using RK's back. If they do, it grows slower.  Also, with a few people drugging flags go faster, which helps.

 

I've played many supplies-off battles on high and low-ranked accounts; the battle fund does go faster.

 

However, I'm sure you would agree this is beside the point. ;)

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

What would you "druggers" say if Tanki ever decides to make regular battles not allow the use of garage supplies, only dropped supplies?

 

That would be great for you druggers because you can play PRO Batlles, where garage supplies can be activated, with other druggers.

 

What's that!? Don't tell me that you like drugging against non druggers!

 

And don't start complaining because we'll just use a Repair Kit... I mean, the argument of: "If you don't like it go play PRO Battles".

 

 

PS. I got the RK joke from looking at Classic's profile. ;)

 

 

...I believe the solution is not debuffing drugs but making them more accessible. Making daily missions give a less pathetic number of them.

All these solutions, while I like the intent, I do not agree with.

 

The goal is to continue to give buyers an advantage so Tanki can still profit. This does not happen if:

 

1. All non-druggers go to PRO battles, leaving buyers with no advantage.

2.  All the non-buyers can get drugs easily.

 

I believe in a more harmonious gameplay that doesn't stir up as much resentment and makes the in-game progression experience something to look forward to and not to avoid.  That means that 

 

1. Druggers do not get such a whopping advantage. This directly leads to 2.

2. Non-druggers play standard battles (most of the time) where they are weaker compared to buyers.

 

This way everybody wins. Non-buyers accept the fact that buyers are more powerful without complaining and making the buyers feel guilty, and buyers get to enjoy their advantage. :)

 

For this to happen there needs to be a much longer cooldown system (promoting more tactical and planned use of supplies) or a large reduction in their power.

 

As for the complaining that druggers are drugging in standard battles, it's really up to the drugger. He/she has to decide when drugging is appreciated (by his/her team when they are losing) or when it simply ruins a game for everyone.  A bad system inevitably leads to abuse of it. Lets tackle the problem at it's roots. :)

[MrAssasin 587]

Guys when you will come to our ranks you will understand us. Till then keep thinking drugging is not a skill. Everyone has their opinion, but still we should respect each others opinions.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Well by the time you will reach Legend you will have saved enough drugs and crystals to buy drugs? 

 

Actually this is precisely what I'm talking about for a "bad cycle". It comes in two forms:

 

1. If the players spend all their winnings on buying enough drugs to keep up they will practically have lost the change of getting M4s.

2. or they can save for M4s and endure the misery. ;)

 

But it's a bigger problem:

For a drugger who has good equipment and lots of drugs, the pattern goes like this:

 

Use drugs to win battles- get lots of crystals from winning/doing well- use the crystals to buy more drugs- repeat.

 

For a non-drugger it is more like this:

 

Lose battles or achieve low score without drugging- receive little crystals- cannot afford drugs- repeat.

 

They are  outside the circle of success trying to get in and chances are, if a game is set up so that it's better for the players to rank up as slowly as possible, it's not doing something right. ;)

I know there are such things as PRO battles but I already explained why standard battles should be for druggers and non-druggers both.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Well you still don't see it. All battles, Tankers join at their own risk. Correct?

 

So if a non drugger joins  drugging game. He has the right to leave and find a game more suited for him.

 

Then yes like we have all concluded he can make or join a Pro Battle game with special specifications suited in the way he wants to play with/without drugs.

:lol:

 

Yes but this is besides the point- which is to MAKE non-druggers play standard battles where buyers face weaker opponents, and to make the game more enjoyable for both parties:

 

The goal is to continue to give buyers an advantage so Tanki can still profit. This does not happen if:

 

1. All non-druggers go to PRO battles, leaving buyers with no advantage.

2.  All the non-buyers can get drugs easily.

 

I believe in a more harmonious gameplay that doesn't stir up as much resentment and makes the in-game progression experience something to look forward to and not to avoid.  That means that 

 

1. Druggers do not get such a whopping advantage. This directly leads to 2.

2. Non-druggers play standard battles (most of the time) where they are weaker compared to buyers.

 

This way everybody wins. Non-buyers accept the fact that buyers are more powerful without complaining and making the buyers feel guilty, and buyers get to enjoy their advantage. :)

 

For this to happen there needs to be a much longer cooldown system (promoting more tactical and planned use of supplies) or a large reduction in their power.

 

As for the complaining that druggers are drugging in standard battles, it's really up to the drugger. He/she has to decide when drugging is appreciated (by his/her team when they are losing) or when it simply ruins a game for everyone.  A bad system inevitably leads to abuse of it. Lets tackle the problem at it's roots. :)

[railguniz4noobz 2,394]

Actually this is precisely what I'm talking about for a "bad cycle". It comes in two forms:

 

1. If the players spend all their winnings on buying enough drugs to keep up they will practically have lost the change of getting M4s.

2. or they can save for M4s and endure the misery. ;)

 

But it's a bigger problem:

For a drugger who has good equipment and lots of drugs, the pattern goes like this:

 

Use drugs to win battles- get lots of crystals from winning/doing well- use the crystals to buy more drugs- repeat.

 

For a non-drugger it is more like this:

 

Lose battles or achieve low score without drugging- receive little crystals- cannot afford drugs- repeat.

 

They are  outside the circle of success trying to get in and chances are, if a game is set up so that it's better for the players to rank up as slowly as possible, it's not doing something right. ;)

I know there are such things as PRO battles but I already explained why standard battles should be for druggers and non-druggers both.

Why dont you start drugging? I agree that the whole drug system is poor design but if you want more crystals, drug. Works for me, between daily missions, the 100 supply kit AND SUPPLIES GOING ON SALE for the first time in forever, drugs are at an all time high for low ranks to afford.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Why dont you start drugging? I agree that the whole drug system is poor design but if you want more crystals, drug. Works for me, between daily missions, the 100 supply kit AND SUPPLIES GOING ON SALE for the first time in forever, drugs are at an all time high for low ranks to afford.

I am saving up my supplies to use at the highest ranks when the drugging is more intense. 

 

But right now I will drug without a moment's hesitation against a heavy drugger in my battle. I'm just never the one who starts it.  

I'm also pretty much a daily-missioner so I have hundreds of thousands of crystals and could drug at a very high level if I wished on those occasions when I do play.

[railguniz4noobz 2,394]

I am saving up my supplies to use at the highest ranks when the drugging is more intense. 

 

But right now I will drug without a moment's hesitation against a heavy drugger in my battle. I'm just never the one who starts it.  

I'm also pretty much a daily-missioner so I have hundreds of thousands of crystals and could drug at a very high level if I wished on those occasions when I do play.

Thats just dumb. At higher ranks theres more no supplies battle and better yet, XP/BP.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

But never in this game all the "non druggers" will not ever enter non Pro games without drugs. Never. Many are unaware of this and do not simply care.

I'm honestly sorry, I do not understand what you are trying to say. :P Maybe re-phrase it without the "never not ever"? And I don't quite understand what they aren't aware of.  Thanks.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Thats just dumb. At higher ranks theres more no supplies battle and better yet, XP/BP.

Yes, yes I have played xp/bp on other accounts that are more devoted to the combo. Unfortunately I like to have a varied experience as well.

 

No-supplies battle, yes. That's even better, meaning I can drug just as much as the rest of them when I DO play supplies-on battles.

 

I just don't enjoy drugging, period. It doesn't give me any more satisfaction  (except on that rare occasion when I want to teach a drugger a lesson- we fight on equal terms and he/she is always invariably beaten. :D )

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

- You quoted me wrong. So excellent reading. 

- Since we are talking about Pro games for non supplies users many are not aware of this.

 

:)

1. I quoted those words on purpose, as it's confusing when you use to many absolutes and positives/negatives to supplement them.

 

2. Who is not aware that no-supply games exist? I'm sure there are some noobs out there who think that, but as regards all in this topic that statement is completely off-topic. :P

[misafeco 713]

The only drug which needs to be nerfed inmediately is RK. It's ridiculous how OP that is. It makes the real difference between buyer and non-buyer. My suggestions:

-Take out the "invincibility effect". It's laughable how you can drive through mines, or getting out of heavy fire unharmed.

-Instead of full repairing, add 50-70% HP back. It's frustrating when you almost destroy a tank it magically regains all of the HP.

 

I don't have a strong opinion regarding DA and DD. They make your life easier in a battle but they're not OP when they're not used combined. I can live without a nerf.

 

Speed Boost is good. Everyone likes Speed Boost.

[misafeco 713]

Anyone has an opinion on my proposal?

[MrAssasin 587]

I think supplies should stay as they are now.

[dan146_tanker 770]

To discuss your problems and views. 

If this is because I said I had 7k Drugs what about you, its not like you don't drug  :P

 

 

Lets just end it here.

I have 0 of each and nope, I don't drug. Just because you do something doesn't mean others do it to... I have used drugs yes, but mostly for parkour matches, and when druggers drug.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

I think supplies should stay as they are now.

Any good reasons? 

[Mister.Sister 3,574]

I have 0 of each and nope, I don't drug. Just because you do something doesn't mean others do it to... I have used drugs yes, but mostly for parkour matches, and when druggers drug.

Why would you drug in parkour?

[Skills.n.Girls 767]

Simply, play smartly, do not buy something weak or something you didn't plan to buy and you can build a solid account. Nowadays buying equipment without discounts separately won't last you long. Save-up for solid kits on unlock rank if possible and you won't be forced to use supplies too much because other people usually are M1 users while you have solid M2 hull. Buying 100 supplies kits maybe are giving a short advantage, but then don't ask how and call people like me with Pitbull kit on 3rd Lt. with low used supplies buyers. 100 supplies kits are a waste totally even on supplie discount, unless you are an M4 tank user.

 

Do not fall for short-big advantages.

Also don't spend too much supplies in parkour mode nor have a drug-battle with buyers. Simply leave if you are smarter.