Reduce power of garage supplies

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

To prove @Brubook's point about drugging being the equivalent of 2-3 modification levels higher, take a look at this:

Railgun M0 does 73.79 Max damage, non-upgraded.

Drugging double damage will increase it to 147.58 damage, more than Railgun M3 minimum damage (at 108.91) and a little under Railgun M3 max damage, at 164.85, non-upgraded.

This is basically like instantly getting M2-M3 Railgun for 45 seconds at such premature ranks. How can you call this "balance"?

[The-Operator219 1,929]

[Brubook 1,161]

Following the "hide everything that could lead to a discussion" concept, did you all noticed that the PRO battles do not show anymore the indication whether drugs are allowed or not???

Probably after someone made everyone notice that there are really few PRO battles with drugs off! Funny and sad!!!

 

Wow ... every "update" is a surprise!! This is very political ... they talk about the xmas happenings (or whatever else) and take out useful tools like daily players graphs, downvotes, drug indication on pro battles .... this is Tanki behaviour. Draw the conclusions!

 

Here you find the wiki: http://en.tankiwiki.com/Creating_a_battle

[deadmanrising 715]

I don't think arguing in this topic anymore is good and it should be closed

 

The point has already been made, players here are fed up with the balance of the game in relation to drugs

 

But hazel needs to understand that the balance of non-pro battles could be improved, they could lower the value of the stats of the supplies, i think the stats of double damage needs to be decreased, i think that's the only supply detrimental to the game balance.

 

And we do need new game modes, to bring back the magic the game had.

 

We are not against the developers and their hardwork even though i've left a few cold comments myself, however as players we feel the game is not as fun as it used to be, there are very few battles that i could find with/without pro battle pass that i would actually enjoy

 

When pro battle passes were discounted by 50%, i had one of the best times on the game yet, maybe these events could be used to rework the game's factors

[Brubook 1,161]

I agree on many things you say, yet I think that our voice should be heard and written here. Maybe this is the "thermometer" of the players sentiment, as it proved to be several times.

 

This will probably not change much in game developing, but I feel I have to say things, read opinions, read boredom, anger, frustration caused by the game as it is now. And this is only for the love we have for the game ... otherwise we wouldn't have been here! ("we" meant as all supporters and contributors here, I don't feel like "her majesty" :) )

Also maybe someone will also learn something, reading and writing here ... maybe.

 

Also, developers should know what they will loose if Unity will have the same economic/power selling mechanism (and I think it will). I personally will give up when I will see the Unity just as the Flash Tanki is. In that moment, you will probably never hear my discussions and complains anymore (devs you will shortly get rid of me :) )

[I..Winter 0]

I love Drugges people should just live with the fact that drugges make the game interesting there is nothing like being close to finishing a battle and having a DOT clan join ( Devils of Tanki. Druggers :D )  join it adds suspense to games and diversity who would want to play a game where every thing is equal and fair it would be so boring inequality makes this game so fun. If you disagree with me suck it up no one cares  B) 

[Brubook 1,161]

I love Drugges people should just live with the fact that drugges make the game interesting there is nothing like being close to finishing a battle and having a DOT clan join ( Devils of Tanki. Druggers :D )  join it adds suspense to games and diversity who would want to play a game where every thing is equal and fair it would be so boring inequality makes this game so fun. If you disagree with me suck it up no one cares  B) 

... Just to confirm that politeness is a drugger distinctive feature.

 

Still I don't get why always soo arrogant! Usually arrogance is something people that has not much to say has .... usually!

I also don't get who is your "no one" ...

[RustyNail 1,538]

I love Drugges people should just live with the fact that drugges make the game interesting there is nothing like being close to finishing a battle and having a DOT clan join ( Devils of Tanki. Druggers :D )  join it adds suspense to games and diversity who would want to play a game where every thing is equal and fair it would be so boring inequality makes this game so fun. If you disagree with me suck it up no one cares  B) 

 

Wow... you are as rude as you are brainless. :huh:

I rest my case.

There is no hope with people like you. No hope for the game I mean, for you, I couldn't  care less.

 

During the last days I have reduced my visits to Tanki. Both the forum and the game.

I play every two days, without real mood. So many wonderful updates have finally made their job.

(irony)

 

Boy, I wish there was a Tanki for adults only.. I am tired with all those under aged that understand too little and can't even follow a logical concept. Having to explain everything, all over again, and in vain. <_<

 

 

EDIT: and a coward nonetheless, for this is surely an alt account. Not brave enough to come tell his opinion with his main identity...

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

GOD DAYUM them .700 Nitro Express shots fireddd!!! PEW PEW PEW

 

I love Drugges people should just live with the fact that drugges make the game interesting there is nothing like being close to finishing a battle and having a DOT clan join ( Devils of Tanki. Druggers :D )  join it adds suspense to games and diversity who would want to play a game where every thing is equal and fair it would be so boring inequality makes this game so fun. If you disagree with me suck it up no one cares  B) 

First, there is nothing interesting that druggers add to the game. If they add anything, it would be even more boredom. Drugging takes away the diversity and uniqueness of each combo because with drugs, everyone (that has drugs equipped) is OP and wrecking. Have you ever looked at it from a non-buyer/drugger's perspective? Clearly you have not as shown by your evident arrogance. The non-druggers would have nothing in the game to look forward to, only spawning, knowing that he will get obliterated the instant he steps off the ledge he's spawned on. And second, you must not have learnt basic American history yet. America is about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, (equality) as stated in the Declaration of Independence. Have you not heard of Martin Luther King, Jr.? He fought for civil rights/equality for African-Americans in America. Equality is what makes the game fun, not inequality. Nobody like inequality unless they are the ones with the advantage, in this case, druggers and buyers. Another more familiar term for this is called "game-balance", which most obviously you have not heard of. Last, the majority of the participants/viewers in this discussion disagree with you and we all care, so how is that "no one"? You are part of the minority; you are outnumbered in support; who do you think you are speaking in such a snobbish manner? If you're going to say something in that way, do it like a man, square up! Do it with your main account instead of hiding behind I..Winter. Considering your conceitedness, it shouldn't be very hard for you to do.

[The-Operator219 1,929]

I love Drugges people should just live with the fact that drugges make the game interesting there is nothing like being close to finishing a battle and having a DOT clan join ( Devils of Tanki. Druggers :D )  join it adds suspense to games and diversity who would want to play a game where every thing is equal and fair it would be so boring inequality makes this game so fun. If you disagree with me suck it up no one cares  B) 

How far up your anus is your head?

This is the kind of person that ruins the game for me, the "im skilled ur not and if u dissagree :D u beause i did ur mom and shes uglylolololololololol1111!!!!!11111" guy.

Drugging adds SOMETHING to the game, a load of bull, lots of rage, and this whole section you clearly saw the title to and said "Well I immediately know they're wrong because they insulted the only thing that ensures my victory and I'm going to defend that, gosh darnit!".

 

~The-Operator of the Galagan hive

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

lol Careful with that 5th word you might get banned :lol:

[The-Operator219 1,929]

I'd be surprised if they do ban me.

It's the more "mature" word for it.

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

True it's a scientific term :lol:

[BSG-62 512]

I love Drugges people should just live with the fact that drugges make the game interesting there is nothing like being close to finishing a battle and having a DOT clan join ( Devils of Tanki. Druggers :D )  join it adds suspense to games and diversity who would want to play a game where every thing is equal and fair it would be so boring inequality makes this game so fun. If you disagree with me suck it up no one cares  B) 

How does having an inequal game make it interesting? How does inequality between teams add any suspense? Wouldn't the team with the most drugs just win? Drugs don't make it interesting! In a drugging team, it gets boring cause the 'Godmode_ONs' just dominate and the other team gets nothing.

 

If there weren't any drugs, would anyone be complaining about the game being totally unbalanced because of them? Would there be Third Lieutenants who don't know how to turn the turret? Any of these pages required? 

 

And by the way, i think everyone on this page would agree. ever read the title? Or the first post? Or the second? Ever seen the first page?

[Tardis_73 0]

I don't know if it is said, and i will not search.

I HAVE THE SOLOUTION FOR TANKI DRUGGERS!!!

 

The only way to drug in battles is to press delete. It will activate some (or all!) drugs but of course you will die in 10 secs.

 

I think it is balanced enough, what do you say?

[railguniz4noobz 2,394]

I don't know if it is said, and i will not search.

I HAVE THE SOLOUTION FOR TANKI DRUGGERS!!!

 

The only way to drug in battles is to press delete. It will activate some (or all!) drugs but of course you will die in 10 secs.

 

I think it is balanced enough, what do you say?

"balanced"

Why not have overheating with vulcan kill you instantly?

Why not have freeze keep you unable to move until you die?

Why not have hammer shoot 1000000000 pellets and crash the whole server?

Why not have twins go noreload hack?

Why not have smoky always crit and do double the impace of pre-reb hammer?

[The-Operator219 1,929]

I don't know if it is said, and i will not search.

I HAVE THE SOLOUTION FOR TANKI DRUGGERS!!!

 

The only way to drug in battles is to press delete. It will activate some (or all!) drugs but of course you will die in 10 secs.

 

I think it is balanced enough, what do you say?

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

I don't know if it is said, and i will not search.

I HAVE THE SOLOUTION FOR TANKI DRUGGERS!!!

 

The only way to drug in battles is to press delete. It will activate some (or all!) drugs but of course you will die in 10 secs.

 

I think it is balanced enough, what do you say?

Bad idea.

 

First, I think it would be much more convenient for us to read this if you posted in normal font...

Second, this suggestion goes against the self-destruct conditions (don't know another word to explain lol). When you self-destruct your score gets 5 points and 1 kill deducted from it and no one wants to use drugs for 10 seconds. If no one wants to use drugs, then they should just remove them. The main point is to implement a new system to counter drugs not change the current system to counter drugs.

Third, if this is implemented it would ruin D/L ratios for those people that are crazy about them (dunno why it matters so much) and people would be running around the map blowing up everywhere

Fourth, this would not be useful for Isidas because many would agree that its main function is to heal teammates and sometimes they need drugs to live and heal faster and with this system Isidas would be very close to useless.

[railguniz4noobz 2,394]

Bad idea.

 

First, I think it would be much more convenient for us to read this if you posted in normal font...

Second, this suggestion goes against the self-destruct conditions (don't know another word to explain lol). When you self-destruct your score gets 5 points and 1 kill deducted from it and no one wants to use drugs for 10 seconds. If no one wants to use drugs, then they should just remove them. The main point is to implement a new system to counter drugs not change the current system to counter drugs.

Third, if this is implemented it would ruin D/L ratios for those people that are crazy about them (dunno why it matters so much) and people would be running around the map blowing up everywhere

Fourth, this would not be useful for Isidas because many would agree that its main function is to heal teammates and sometimes they need drugs to live and heal faster and with this system Isidas would be very close to useless.

We want to nerf drugs, not make them hurt you.

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

Well most likely they won't nerf drugs. The only thing we can do is try to come up with a system to counter/balance drugs because once a player has access to them, he becomes one untouchable soldier. Everyone needs to be able to fight back instead of sitting like ducks and getting whooped. That's the main problem: not being able to fight back.

[RustyNail 1,538]

After a couple of days I logged in to play and what do I find... same old drugging ****.

Playing mood vaporising in minutes, feeling unwelcomed and so I will lessen even more my presence in Tanki.

 

They want their buying druggers, they will have the buying druggers and from me they will have negative reputation for free.

 

(today's archi-drugger: H.A.T.R.E.D - wise choice of name - average drugs per minute:190!)

http://ratings.tankionline.com/en/user/H.A.T.R.E.D/

 

poor b*stard uses 3,16 supplies per minute... average... OMG. Definitely knows how to party.

 

 

Also, he's got the proper company... in the next round

 

 

What am I doing between those brats? ... or at all in this sh*tty game?

 

I doubt if I will be here during the new year. Oh, wait.... I forgot... there are some folks that would be happy to get rid of me.. No need to make their wish come true. Not yet. ;)

[The-Operator219 1,929]

^^^

 

Yep, that's drugging for you. I always like to imagine them as being the above photo or little kids with rich parents and mental instability.

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

"Mental instability" LMAO

[blacksouleater 190]

A teammate I played with yesterday, after we were just "drugger" obliterated stated it best, "this is not a game it's BS. I agree.

Tonight however, I have been treated to a new level of abuse here. I just tried to join a Noise CTF battle. I could tell In just a few seconds that I would be leaving. Every player, and all high ranks were non stop drugging. The abuse was just sad and depressing in it's magnitude.

Immediately I was addressed by name and told, very aggressively to "Get Out." I asked why and was told I was too weak. Now granted I only have M2 Hunter/Twins that are not fully Mued and never will be due to the cost, but I have never been told to "get out" of a battle. This drugging fool..JureZmaj123, a Field Marshal I believe, was the nastiest rudest, player I have ever run into. The rest of the team backed him up verbally. Has anyone here ever been made to feel like this?

So, this is the new Tanki . Drugging, buyers who abuse anyone and everyone not playing their way.

Usually, I am at least accepted because I am a team player and always play for the teams best interest. I have to tell you, the manner in which this fool tried to demean me was violent and angry. My response to being attacked in such a way in real life, would have been to take him down, quickly.

As a side note I did leave but watched the score and at the 30 second mark I went back in and congratulated them on being so strong and losing 5-1, and of course I laughed.

I have been away for awhile and only check in now and then to play a battle or two, just for something to do but, like RustyNail and many others here,  this pile of swill has lost the ability to entertain on any level. My GOD, nasty drug buying, name calling abusive throwbacks from a gangfight. I s this what you want your "game" to be Tanki?

A friend of mine who is a Pyschologist sat in a few times while I played. His take on this?

He found it disturbing at many levels. He said he could not find one viable point in what he experienced that would let him call this a game. He also called this mentally disturbing and dangerous, especially to younger players and felt that the level of abuse and frustration felt here could quite easily be carried forward outside of the game in real life with unpredictable results. This man works with teens for 20 years and has been a gamer friend of mine for as long. His advice to me was shut it down and walk away. So, I am! I have left in the past and stated that I would check in from time to time, but that is finally over. I kept coming back because of everyone here on this topic. I now realize that although we speak intelligently of change, so maybe someone will listen, the cost to re-feeling this nastiest every time we visit here can take it's toll. Drugging here is now the accepted way and will be worse in the next game. Players now look at your profile in battles and depending on what they see they demand that you leave. You are too weak...you are not drugging.... on and on and on. There is no nice place in this game, no ray of sunshine or hope. It is exactly what the devs want it to be. We have said many times here, "money is what motivates these fools" there is no new news in that.

I am not thin skinned so please don't think tonight's nastiness meant anything at all to me personally. It didn't. What it did do, however, was send me a message that finally got through. It's time to "get out" of here. There is nothing here. Nothing to entertain, enlighten and/or strive for.

So, for the very last time, I thank you all for your intellect and kind words, and for proving once again that there are good people in really dark places. This is such a place. There is no light here. I'm off to reconnect to myself, the real me that was starting to get lost in this mess. My life has always been about light. I wish you all light and peace and all that is good.

This is a really horrible place you've created Tanki. Remember...Karma is a ****...........................................Peace

[Brubook 1,161]

.......

 

Dear blacksouleater

 

The behaviour you saw is quite common, I have seen many times and experienced some times. The role of a "veteran" or a more experienced player should also be to help and teach younger or unexperienced ones ... but this is common sense!

Here you see one of the most common characteristics of a drugger: the arrogance!

 

On the psychological side, I have not a degree on psychology but I confirm what your friend said. I said many times that this mechanism is very bad especially for younger minds. It gives the message that anything can be obtained by paying it (the easy way). In fact these people have no fair play, no principles, no friends. They just destroy as much as they can and in any way they can. It make them feel the famous "Godmode_ON"!

 

This method, this power selling, this overpowered drugs are completely wrong in every aspect, from game balance to people proper growth.

 

And, same as you, I spend much more time here to talk than in the game. The only positive side I mentioned already, is that here I "met" very nice and clever persons, and I appreciate it a lot ... even if within the limits of a game and a chat!

 

Yes, money is the driver of everything, yet this mechanism will self explode (as me and others described many times, starting from players unsatisfaction to the loss of the "critical mass" of non payers that makes the game interesting)