Reduce power of garage supplies

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Alright you two, I've had it with the absolute bull**** that you're spreading across the forum. Shut up, or go to a PM, but seriously, nobody really cares anymore. We all just think you're two people with two opinions that are going too far. So seriously. Stop. No-one wants your stupid flood all over the place. General potato, this goes for you to.

 

This is the end of your argument. If you continue, I'll find a mod that'll ban you both for flooding, provocation, and anything else that applies.

This is me when I see his accusation of me of doing whatever he did not specify:

 

 

 

 

Lmao, what did I do xD :lol:

Basically this is the attitude of druggers that defend themselves: Everyone that proves me wrong, is a spammer and flooder, so shut up and move on, get over it, drugs are love, drugs are life <3.

 

But nooooooo, that won't shut us up. We non-druggers/buyers strongly believe in fair play and drugs are certainly not providing that. Like I said, if you can provide a valid reason and example of how drugging is, in any way beneficial to gameplay then we will shut up. Until then, you'll just have to deal with our "flood". Btw, when I mean gameplay, I mean for the players, nothing to do with money or developers, okay? Anything you mention that is about developers or money will not be taken into consideration because the issue is not money or developers, it's drugs. So good luck finding a sufficient example.

[BSG-62 512]

This whole situation is delicate, if they do remove supplies, and I'll be damned if they do, then the games will just be dominated by something else. In my opinion, next would be M(1-3) turrets and hulls would be the dominating factor in all the battles. I hate to say it, but after a lot of thinking and insomnia, supplies are what balance the game out. And let's say hypothetically they do, and then remove M(1-3) equipment, then they would need to make new turrets or hulls to make the game worth playing, and in turn those could theoretically create imbalance. I can feel Chrysalis chugging his cider and smirking victoriously now, he knows all of this... I just gave us the answer. Throughout all of our work here, whatever value it's worth, we still can't help the game by removing them. Brubook, I commend you, the hive commends you, but by now we're just howling like primates about it and attacking those that disagree.

Shun me if you will, but I'm tired of defending such a trivial thing.

Farewell, and good luck with your pointless rambling.

 

~With sincere regret, The-Operator of the Galagan hive

Drugs will always be there to balance the game out......as long as every single player in the game receives 50 of each supply free every day they play.

[personia 4,036]

This is me when I see his accusation of me of doing whatever he did not specify:

 

 

 

 

Lmao, what did I do xD :lol:

Basically this is the attitude of druggers that defend themselves: Everyone that proves me wrong, is a spammer and flooder, so shut up and move on, get over it, drugs are love, drugs are life <3.

 

But nooooooo, that won't shut us up. We non-druggers/buyers strongly believe in fair play and drugs are certainly not providing that. Like I said, if you can provide a valid reason and example of how drugging is, in any way beneficial to gameplay then we will shut up. Until then, you'll just have to deal with our "flood". Btw, when I mean gameplay, I mean for the players, nothing to do with money or developers, okay? Anything you mention that is about developers or money will not be taken into consideration because the issue is not money or developers, it's drugs. So good luck finding a sufficient example.

I ain't a drugger man. It just seemed that you and brubook or whatever his name is were getting into a pretty up tight flood contest with dragon, and I was getting bored of flood. That's all.

 

And that is quite possibly an accurate representation of you reading this  :D .

[omrot 2,327]

The best suggestion for the superior Ms problem is to sort every game not by ranks, but by Ms so there will be games for only M0 or M3

[RustyNail 1,538]

Drugs will always be there to balance the game out......as long as every single player in the game receives 50 of each supply free every day they play.

If you are looking into a way to balance the game through supplies, there are some presuppositions.

1. Ms and MUs (as well as paints) between buyers and non buyers must not be very widely apart. I mean that a buyer should not be that distinct from a non buyer in terms of power.

2. Supplies should not be given to players in ways that buyers can purchase (or use) much more than non buyers. That's also a form of distribution of power between buyers and non buyers. (That is, either they must be very expensive and not in discounted kits, or they must be really cheap for everybody, meaning anyone could buy a kit of 100 each with, say, 2 euros / dollars)

 

Should these two presuppositions met, then supplies can really balance the game and increase the fun for all, not just for buyers.

But the company has decided to milk the players as hard as it can. So it sells power in many forms, ending that different aspects of power (Ms, MUs, paints, premium paint and other privileges) are all given mostly to buyers. Hence the imbalance.

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

I ain't a drugger man. It just seemed that you and brubook or whatever his name is were getting into a pretty up tight flood contest with dragon, and I was getting bored of flood. That's all.

 

And that is quite possibly an accurate representation of you reading this   :D .

I wasn't even involved in that...did you read....if you're talking about earlier posts then it doesn't matter anyways because it is already resolved.

[Blazingpelt 4]

I also believe that drugs are op. I agree with brubook. they should change the power of drugs gradually.

 

However, I think that changing them to about +30% is a little too big of a change. I think that drugs should be decreased to only +50%, because they have to still be useful, but not yet op. the only reason speed boost is +30%, instead of more, is because on a large map like dusseldorf (sorry if I spelled it wrong), a wasp m3 with a speed boost that would give +50% speed would be able to capture in a matter of seconds.

 

However, the fact remains that they are in the game and we will have to deal with the drugs for now. But, as I said, I do agree with Brubook, that the power of drugs should be decreased. Who agrees? This is an update that needs to be made!

[omrot 2,327]

I agree with everyone here and I'm a non drugger but i have to say that this topic is pointless. The only reason developers will go on here is to ban someone for insults. Tank is making a lot of money now, every little change to drugs will make Tanki lose profit. So tell me, why should Tanki do anything about drugs?

[RustyNail 1,538]

They were drugging and I was so angry, I drugged back.

 

 

I will not do it again.. Drugging is just so unfair..

[Brubook 1,161]

This subject will continually bother people who know that there is truth to it, but rather than admit that they feel that way, they immediately get angry and/or defensively rude. As has been said here before, no one is asking for drugs to be removed, but we are asking for some control or leveling out of them that will allow fair and competitive gameplay.

As non buying players we shouldn't be told that if we want to play on equal ground with druggers,then we need to take on extra baggage that either costs too much (Pro Pass), or is against what we feel is our right to play the game fairly(drugs). I am a lone player, non drugging and non buyer, who deserves the right to play as I see fit. I don't want to join groups,or clans I just want to play this game with my tank and any skills I may develop and in the few hours I get to play a week, that will allow me fun and relaxation. That is not possible however since the concept here has become massive drugging and obliteration.

The drugging community as a whole states that we should comply with their methods and means or we should just give up and go away. It's just like the bully in elementary school who tells you if you give him your lunch money you can walk to school on the only path you have to get there. It's a ridiculous situation! I never gave anyone my lunch money and won't start now. Here's the bottom line...We will continue to be outspoken about a topic that is a real problem. About a problem that affects the balance of this game so badly, that fairness of competition has become an illusion and about drugging which has increased the rampant abuse in this game both verbally and by action. You see, all we want is a chance to play a fair game within our means. Don't you think it's a bit funny that such a simple and honest request can be so threatening to so many? I'm sure there will be reactions to this post as always. What I'm asking today is after you reply, if you just take an honest moment to look at that reply and see if the attitude it reflects is honestly you or, you are just answering as part of a group. This issue is also about life lessons. Your answers reflect either who you really are or, who you will become. It's up to you........Thanks for listening.

Peace

You really explained very well the non-druggers normal players "sentiment"

[Brubook 1,161]

This whole situation is delicate, if they do remove supplies, and I'll be damned if they do, then the games will just be dominated by something else. In my opinion, next would be M(1-3) turrets and hulls would be the dominating factor in all the battles. I hate to say it, but after a lot of thinking and insomnia, supplies are what balance the game out. And let's say hypothetically they do, and then remove M(1-3) equipment, then they would need to make new turrets or hulls to make the game worth playing, and in turn those could theoretically create imbalance. I can feel Chrysalis chugging his cider and smirking victoriously now, he knows all of this... I just gave us the answer. Throughout all of our work here, whatever value it's worth, we still can't help the game by removing them. Brubook, I commend you, the hive commends you, but by now we're just howling like primates about it and attacking those that disagree.

Shun me if you will, but I'm tired of defending such a trivial thing.

Farewell, and good luck with your pointless rambling.

 

~With sincere regret, The-Operator of the Galagan hive

Operator

 

I always appreciated and still appreciate your contributions and comments. I still believe in what I have been saying, even if, as I said many times, I am aware that our suggestions and ideas will be probably never implemented in any Tanki (I mean not even in the Unity).

 

Yet I feel that what I say is right. I don't quite know why I am still here, as I am not really happy about this tanki, but maybe I am curious to see the new Unity and when I will see that nothing has changed (in terms of power selling and balance) I will probably quit .... let's see!

 

For me, you are always welcome ... with me or not. Your comments are polite and clever, so they are always welcome!

 

B.

[Brubook 1,161]

I agree with everyone here and I'm a non drugger but i have to say that this topic is pointless. The only reason developers will go on here is to ban someone for insults. Tank is making a lot of money now, every little change to drugs will make Tanki lose profit. So tell me, why should Tanki do anything about drugs?

You are right, "tanki is making a lot of money", but instead of milking persons out till the end, which will lead to a soon Tanki failure, they should think more in medium-term business strategy and take care of game balance and satisfaction for everyone. This may lead to a little less income today, but can also lead to a much greater income tomorrow, due to good game quality and players satisfaction. And if they are soo greedy, they can find other income sources (we also proposed some ideas).

 

This is why Tanki, as any other business do or should do, should take care of drugging problem.

[Brubook 1,161]

I ain't a drugger man. It just seemed that you and brubook or whatever his name is were getting into a pretty up tight flood contest with dragon, and I was getting bored of flood. That's all.

 

And that is quite possibly an accurate representation of you reading this   :D .

dear personia (or whatever your name is)

 

Arguments are discussion ... when 2 persons have different views and they state them ... this is also one of the purposes of the forum ... not just reading articles and clicking "like".

 

And you have been already answering on another discussion, where you said the same exact things! So, actually, the one trolling and duplicating messages (which is here the only things out of the rules) is you!

 

And on top of all ... noone force you to read!

 

I (or whatever my name is) am not discussing this subject because I got beaten in any contest with dragons. I (or whatever my name is) am talking about power selling game mechanism, balance and satisfying playing!

 

... and why did u included Bossman or generalpotato_PRO?

[Benefactor 6,888]

 

They were drugging and I was so angry, I drugged back.

 

 

I will not do it again.. Drugging is just so unfair..

 

But you did so well!

[Brubook 1,161]

But you did so well!

Point is that drugs did well for him ... and he knows that!

That is why it is soo unfair and unsatisfying for all the others!

[RustyNail 1,538]

Point is that drugs did well for him ... and he knows that!

That is why it is soo unfair and unsatisfying for all the others!

It is unfair because when everybody is drugging - and we were, more or less - then the game becomes kind of hysterical. I mean, I remember one moment where I single shot three players in the row, one after the other, in less than 5-6 seconds.

That is called decimation, or execution, but not a teamed game. You see, I never forget that everybody else is not a bot but a living person that joins the game to feel joy and share a good time. Being that person team-mate or opponent. I would like everybody more or less be content with the battle outcome and not frustrated like I am most of the times.

I sincerely prefer to win the battle 5-3 than win it 5-0. I would rather have less crystals and more fun, and more sharing as well. Funds are to be shared and not be taken from everybody else.

I don't like too competitive games. Games should encourage friendship and solidarity, not isolating of players from each other. Nowadays, all I see in the battle chats are swears and frustration. Petty.

[blacksouleater 190]

Brubook, RustyNail,

I think those of us who feel deeply about this subject have begun to take on a sort of "sad" energy if you will, that seems to permeate everything about this game. I believe this sadness comes from knowing that the true "spirit of the game", as you described so well in you post above RustyNail, cannot survive in such turmoil. It's sort of like watching a dear friend waste away and die because they would not make a choice for reason and a balanced road which they knew was correct but instead chose to be the most important, the one, to embrace cheating and lying and stealing at every turn. In the end, as all such stories go, he just failed to be there anymore.  We see what's happening and know where it will inevitably go. Truly, on every level it's sad. It didn't have to be, ya know?

Having lived a bit, we know that it is this very spirit that should be alive and well in all we do as honest, caring people. It is this spirit of fairness, empathy, sympathy, compassion and understanding that allow us to be centered human beings in a world gone mad, and I believe deeply that nothing I know of in my life at this time so clearly replicates and even embraces the outside world as the darkness that surrounds this place.

We agree....this is a game! A game!! In that spirit there should be a closeness that develops between players as you also stated above, not this nasty, obsessive one-upmanship that is also so very prominent in the world outside.

It bothers me at levels so deep that I can't even put into words the feelings that come. Children acting and talking like they couldn't begin to in their real lives. Yet it is all not only allowed but condoned and even nurtured bye the devs here. All in the name of money. They are  like a mad pied piper that will surely lead these players to a bad ending, but because of the smoke and mirrors that surround the corruption the followers do not see. Those who are older and actually like what goes on here are just plain without hope. My God is it that easy to sell yourself?

Anyway, I too am only staying here with the forum because I am now curious. I am sure tankix will be more of the same, only worse. My best knowing assures me of this. At least with that being the truth and a forgone conclusion, I will take heart in knowing that this so-called game will meet it's demise in the not too far off future. I know that I won't be here to see it. I no longer have the heart to watch closely whatever this is. I've never been a curious spectator for real life accidents or, documentaries that feature, as this game does, something that eats it's own young. Thanks for listening...

Peace

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

^ WOW you, @blacksouleater, truly have an amazing talent for rhetoric. Have you ever considered applying for newspaper reporter? You would do very well to replace that no good ranter sonofchrysalis3. :D

[blacksouleater 190]

Generalpotato_PRO,

Thank you for the kind words. I know that you are one of the few who truly care about this issue and therefore understand not only what I write, but also what I am saying. In that I feel truly honored. I don't think the newspaper would feel comfortable with my insights. I have pursued true meaning of what I hear and see all of my 60+ years. My goal is alway to create a moment of clarity and thoughtfulness bout the issues at hand. Lol, Lets just say that many people are not always happy with topics that reminds them of inconsistencies on many personal levels.

The devs know that we are correct. All information has been put forth in an concise and accurate manner. They are not stupid, just incredibly greedy.

I want to take a moment here to thank this topics creator and all who have tried in so many ways to get these players to understand what is being done. It is important for so many reasons. So, I've actually written more than I thought I would, but I believe in the ultimate goal here and the good people, like you, who continue to carry this topic in a professional, respectful and honest way and feel honored to be able to contribute. If I've met any real friends in all this mess, they are here, in this topic. As much as you hate being in certain situations, one should never desert one's friends. In life, true friends are golden.

Respectfully, blacksouleater

Thanks for listening.............Peace

[deadmanrising 715]

I agree with everyone here and I'm a non drugger but i have to say that this topic is pointless. The only reason developers will go on here is to ban someone for insults. Tank is making a lot of money now, every little change to drugs will make Tanki lose profit. So tell me, why should Tanki do anything about drugs?

Hazel is the only one who is reading these posts, im not sure how many people are complaining on the russian forum, out of a team of 10-20 developers, even if he is keen on the issue of drugging (which he isn't, so this topic is effectively useless), its highly unlikely he alone will make them change the way drugs are used based on the english forum, it is a big risk after all

 

Its been a year and a half since smart cooldowns were released, its eased the effects of drugging, but it hasn't made much of a difference, drugs were not as powerful then as they are now, it might take another 1-2 years but they will be forced to change the way supplies work eventually

[Brubook 1,161]

Generalpotato_PRO,

Thank you for the kind words. I know that you are one of the few who truly care about this issue and therefore understand not only what I write, but also what I am saying. In that I feel truly honored. I don't think the newspaper would feel comfortable with my insights. I have pursued true meaning of what I hear and see all of my 60+ years. My goal is alway to create a moment of clarity and thoughtfulness bout the issues at hand. Lol, Lets just say that many people are not always happy with topics that reminds them of inconsistencies on many personal levels.

The devs know that we are correct. All information has been put forth in an concise and accurate manner. They are not stupid, just incredibly greedy.

I want to take a moment here to thank this topics creator and all who have tried in so many ways to get these players to understand what is being done. It is important for so many reasons. So, I've actually written more than I thought I would, but I believe in the ultimate goal here and the good people, like you, who continue to carry this topic in a professional, respectful and honest way and feel honored to be able to contribute. If I've met any real friends in all this mess, they are here, in this topic. As much as you hate being in certain situations, one should never desert one's friends. In life, true friends are golden.

Respectfully, blacksouleater

Thanks for listening.............Peace

You deserve that, blacksouleater

 

I fully join generalpotato_PRO's words. I can clearly see that a lot of water passed through your bridge!

 

Only if you have some experience and if you care about the "new generation" proper growth, under principles and ethics, can say what you said.

 

And that is exactly the other aspect of this subject. This discussion goes far over some numbers or turrets. It tries to bring a load of principles and ethics and show them to our future, all the teens and pre-teens here.

 

And exactly as you said (and I pointed it out too), I noticed that here I met good persons and good friends. I have also been very positively surprised about the younger ones, because it is less surprising that a grown person has these ideas but it is a positive surprise to see young people having such good principles already. For me, this alone pays all my effort here! (who has children do understand what I mean very well)

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

Lets have a battle without drugs. Everyone get a warrant account and we play without drugs, pro pass or not. We can trust eachother to not drug.

hahaha okay Friend my noob account @potato_porkchop and @TheWhorse

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

 

 

Generalpotato_PRO,

Thank you for the kind words. I know that you are one of the few who truly care about this issue and therefore understand not only what I write, but also what I am saying. In that I feel truly honored. I don't think the newspaper would feel comfortable with my insights. I have pursued true meaning of what I hear and see all of my 60+ years. My goal is alway to create a moment of clarity and thoughtfulness bout the issues at hand. Lol, Lets just say that many people are not always happy with topics that reminds them of inconsistencies on many personal levels.

The devs know that we are correct. All information has been put forth in an concise and accurate manner. They are not stupid, just incredibly greedy.

I want to take a moment here to thank this topics creator and all who have tried in so many ways to get these players to understand what is being done. It is important for so many reasons. So, I've actually written more than I thought I would, but I believe in the ultimate goal here and the good people, like you, who continue to carry this topic in a professional, respectful and honest way and feel honored to be able to contribute. If I've met any real friends in all this mess, they are here, in this topic. As much as you hate being in certain situations, one should never desert one's friends. In life, true friends are golden.

Respectfully, blacksouleater

Thanks for listening.............Peace

 

 

 

 

You deserve that, blacksouleater

 

I fully join generalpotato_PRO's words. I can clearly see that a lot of water passed through your bridge!

 

Only if you have some experience and if you care about the "new generation" proper growth, under principles and ethics, can say what you said.

 

And that is exactly the other aspect of this subject. This discussion goes far over some numbers or turrets. It tries to bring a load of principles and ethics and show them to our future, all the teens and pre-teens here.

 

And exactly as you said (and I pointed it out too), I noticed that here I met good persons and good friends. I have also been very positively surprised about the younger ones, because it is less surprising that a grown person has these ideas but it is a positive surprise to see young people having such good principles already. For me, this alone pays all my effort here! (who has children do understand what I mean very well)

 

 

Haha I used to not check this topic often, I posted once or twice in the early discussions of this topic against drugs, but before that, I used to have a job as a full-time drugger. That was when they had the clan tournaments with the old top clans, All In, Angels and Devils, and I can't quite remember which else. They had us vote for teams by buying paints and the team I voted for won. The prize was a few hundred drugs. Unfortunately, there was a delay in awarding the prizes so they made it up to the players that it affected by giving them MORE drugs, so the number of drugs I had went from ~50 to >650. That's when I started drugging. I stopped when 1) I realized it was breaking the game (I was Warrant Officer 1 with M1 Firebird and reaching the top of the scoreboard by drugging. Keep in the mind that there were up to Third Lieutenants playing in that battle with me, a Silence CTF) and 2) I was running out of drugs lol because 3) I started getting into parkour and needed those Armor and Speeds.

 

I come here often now because drugging has just gotten worse and worse over the updates and especially the SCD update, which solved nothing whatsoever and made things worse. Therefore the issue of drugging deserves much more attention that it did before, and I can see that it is getting that.

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

From reading all the solutions proposed in this topic, I think I may have come up with a solution based on combining the proposed solutions.

 

Double Armor and Damage will be reduced from +100% to +50% because they are too powerful at the current state they're at. But since not everyone has drugs to always be countering Armor and Damage druggers, Isida should be given that boost in healing power, rate, ammo capacity, and a wider effect cone. With the recent changes to Isida, Isida has become close to useless because the cone is far too narrow to be effective. For example, an Isida could be positioned on a ramp, facing the bottom and another turret can come up to the Isida and wreck it, simply because the Isida does not have the right angle to hit the enemy tank. Yeah sure, tell the Isida to move, but where is it going to move? Off the side of the ramp and the Isida has a chance of flipping. Up farther on the ramp to the top, and it still can't hit the enemy because of the angle and cone width. Farther down the ramp and it probably has to chase the enemy and even if it does attach long enough it does not have a sufficient healing rate for the user and his teammates. 

 

Open for feedback. :)

[deadmanrising 715]

From reading all the solutions proposed in this topic, I think I may have come up with a solution based on combining the proposed solutions.

 

Double Armor and Damage will be reduced from +100% to +50% because they are too powerful at the current state they're at. But since not everyone has drugs to always be countering Armor and Damage druggers, Isida should be given that boost in healing power, rate, ammo capacity, and a wider effect cone. With the recent changes to Isida, Isida has become close to useless because the cone is far too narrow to be effective. For example, an Isida could be positioned on a ramp, facing the bottom and another turret can come up to the Isida and wreck it, simply because the Isida does not have the right angle to hit the enemy tank. Yeah sure, tell the Isida to move, but where is it going to move? Off the side of the ramp and the Isida has a chance of flipping. Up farther on the ramp to the top, and it still can't hit the enemy because of the angle and cone width. Farther down the ramp and it probably has to chase the enemy and even if it does attach long enough it does not have a sufficient healing rate for the user and his teammates. 

 

Open for feedback. :)

Double armor isn't the problem, think about it, it's double damage that needs a HUGE NERF.

 

Isida shouldn't be changed, the way it is now makes it fairer to vs in combat, before there weren't many tactical ways you could defend yourself once it locked on to you