Reduce power of garage supplies

[personia 4,036]

*sigh*

 

I think that basically what should happen is that everyone should get over it. They won't nerf drugs, that is clear to us already. And they obviously won't take drugs out of the game. At this point, I think the best thing to do is to either buy drugs, or to be pro. I have played some druggers over the last few weeks/months especially, and have come off better than them, purely due to skill. And I'm a pretty average player. Most players who are good, either don't use drugs, or use them sparingly. So the players who over drug are either noobs (of which we can all beat) or are pretty average (of which the majority of us can beat.) And an even better tip then playing well? Use the flopping supply boxes! I mean, seriously... If you pick them up, then you are at an equal level to the druggers. So use supply boxes. Or, as said before; PLAY PRO BATTLES!!!

 

I mean, as clearly shown by previous posts, I'm against over drugging, but it seems to me like people on this topic just start to get depressed about the game, and then get depressed at their state of depression... Maybe just try the tips above?

 

Thanks for that,

personia.

[RustyNail 1,538]

*sigh*

 

I think that basically what should happen is that everyone should get over it. They won't nerf drugs, that is clear to us already. And they obviously won't take drugs out of the game. At this point, I think the best thing to do is to either buy drugs, or to be pro. I have played some druggers over the last few weeks/months especially, and have come off better than them, purely due to skill. And I'm a pretty average player. Most players who are good, either don't use drugs, or use them sparingly. So the players who over drug are either noobs (of which we can all beat) or are pretty average (of which the majority of us can beat.) And an even better tip then playing well? Use the flopping supply boxes! I mean, seriously... If you pick them up, then you are at an equal level to the druggers. So use supply boxes. Or, as said before; PLAY PRO BATTLES!!!

 

I mean, as clearly shown by previous posts, I'm against over drugging, but it seems to me like people on this topic just start to get depressed about the game, and then get depressed at their state of depression... Maybe just try the tips above?

 

Thanks for that,

personia.

Actually there is a third option, that is to stop playing. Which is by far, the best option against drugging.

That, however, does not mean that one can't wander the forum expressing their opinion about drugging, does it.. :P

 

Apart from this, it is a mistake to think that drugging is restricted to low skilled players. High skilled players also may choose to drug, because of the high adrenaline feeling that drugging seems to produce. Or just because they can afford the supplies, regardless of any further connection.

 

Also, suggesting that anti-druggers should use the supplies drops is kinda like suggesting someone to breath.. I mean, it's self-evident.. I used to use drops before SCD (and I still do of course) but that is not adequate for a player to face 12345...

 

Finally, I think that Pro battles is not the solution (since the company does not show any sign of reducing the cost) so the next best think after quitting is just keep on presenting the issue of drugging to as many players as possible. Thus, all well done :) this topic is one of the most known, anticipated and popular topic of the english community.

[BSG-62 512]

Your talking about what never happens ))

Incorrect. I only added those examples because that's where i've seen things like that happen over and over. 

[Linda_Zarina 118]

Incorrect. I only added those examples because that's where i've seen things like that happen over and over. 

Hardly believe ))

[railguniz4noobz 2,394]

 

 

Look at this hypocrite!

So many drugs used against m0s...

And who made the video?

[The-Operator219 1,929]

 

 

Look at this hypocrite!

So many drugs used against m0s...

And who made the video?

Hi there. :)

[Brubook 1,161]

Hello The-Operator219 :)

[The-Operator219 1,929]

Just out of curiosity, can he not see that I'm the one typing in the chat?

It's also under my channel, and my name is visible throughout the video.

Anyways, yeah, I used supplies for a while.

But I ran out quickly, so that's over.

[BSG-62 512]

Hardly believe ))

Play Serpuhov, Rio, Berlin, Kungur, Madness, Barda, Lost Temple, Kolhoz or Alexandrovesk (sometimes). They're just maps where i see it happen everytime i play them.

[I.H.U.R.R.I.C.A.N.E 120]

Take your target and think one step beyond it:

It is not about _only_ beeing remembered.. but it is also _what_ the people remember you for.

 

Look at those examples:

- Achilles - why is he so remarkable and rememberable?

 

 

Would you consider Achilles as a great fighter if he would have slaughtered only 16years old farmers, that held a sword for the first time? Most likely not.. as this is considered to be "easy".

We can say that Achiles was a great fighter, as he has beaten many opponents of same or even larger strength -> and so showed his skill.

 

 

 

- Odysseus - why is he so remarkable and rememberable?

 

 

Would you consider Odyyseus as witty and clever, if the stories about him tell us that he would have only argued with dumb people that were obvious slow minded? Most likely not - again - as this is considered to be "easy".

We can only mark Odysseus as witty and clever, as he has beaten opponents of same or even larger strength -> and so showed his skill.

 

 

 

And you?

- If you were skilled, noone would see it, as the drugs to a good part of the job for you. No need to remember you therefor.

- If you have some great tactics.. noone would see it, as the drugs give you free entry through the front door.

 

If you act like I read here... you will be remembered. But not for your skill (which you for sure have) and not for your tactics (which you for sure learned). You will be rememberd as "just another hardcore drugger" (like thousand others), that just takes the easy way.

 

There is an cruicial and important difference, between beeing remembered or admired.

You Obviously never drugg, so something you should know, drugging attracts other druggers. All day to day i was in battles where there was drugging team matched against drugging team and druggs speed up the playing style of the game greatly so how you control your turret and hull mater more a 1 second mistake or 1 missed shot can cause your team the game. Do you think anyone would remember Achilles if he shirked all the fastest paced  and hardest fought battles? And only played against cowards. Shur in most battles there is some noob getting crushed but in the majority of drugg battles were i drugg the most, i play against other skilled druggers with m4s. In Short the most intense battles i have ever played were drugging battles where two  drugger teams clashed.

[I.H.U.R.R.I.C.A.N.E 120]

And as for playing tricks i find most small dogging shots and flipping people tricks work best on the fast paced drugging battles were they never see it coming through over a year of being the top rank and watching most of the tanki youtube videos even Odysseus  would be hard put to it to see all of my tricks coming I have learned there is always a way to befuddle the enemy team a little more before i die. 

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

I posted this in the other drugging topic, but here is where it fits perfectly:

 

All y'all druggers are just extremely conceited, inconsiderate, ignorant, and selfish. You think you're so great because you drug: "Drugs are in the game, deal with it" Yeah dude, we are dealing with it, right now, in this topic and this one.  -_- As long as you obtain benefit at the expense of other players' experience then you are okay with it. That is how ignorant and selfish you are. The Tanki business is dependent on your type to make profit, and I don't blame you. That's just how every game works, but hey, we non-druggers as a community are speaking up for ourselves, for our sake and the future of Tanki.

 

*Note: speaking in general to all druggers

[Brubook 1,161]

I posted this in the other drugging topic, but here is where it fits perfectly:

 

All y'all druggers are just extremely conceited, inconsiderate, ignorant, and selfish. You think you're so great because you drug: "Drugs are in the game, deal with it" Yeah dude, we are dealing with it, right now, in this topic and this one.  -_- As long as you obtain benefit at the expense of other players' experience then you are okay with it. That is how ignorant and selfish you are. The Tanki business is dependent on your type to make profit, and I don't blame you. That's just how every game works, but hey, we non-druggers as a community are speaking up for ourselves, for our sake and the future of Tanki.

 

*Note: speaking in general to all druggers

Quite appropriate!

[Brubook 1,161]

... The Tanki business is dependent on your type to make profit,...

And this is exactly the wrong economic model of Tanki

 

.. even if we proposed many income alternatives to that.

[The-Operator219 1,929]

My idea is to remove the option to buy them with crystals, and add the ability to buy a larger than normal amount of them for real money.

But you can also gain them at the end of battles as rewards for reaching certain criteria, like getting a certain amount of captures or generally being a team player.

 

It would ensure that, yes, buying gives you an advantage, but you have a CHANCE of winning without doing it.

 

My other idea is place a limit on how many you can own at once, around 150 is an appropriate amount.

 

Then they will be more of a tactic and less of an advantage.

[railguniz4noobz 2,394]

I dont like the limit of drugs you can carry, it would make special events a bit of a pain and this just makes people drug more so they dont max their carry limit.

[I3oris 599]

I posted this in the other drugging topic, but here is where it fits perfectly:

  Go buy some drugs man.. btw im not a buyer but i buy drugs in big amountsl

All y'all druggers are just extremely conceited, inconsiderate, ignorant, and selfish. You think you're so great because you drug: "Drugs are in the game, deal with it" Yeah dude, we are dealing with it, right now, in this topic and this one.  -_- As long as you obtain benefit at the expense of other players' experience then you are okay with it. That is how ignorant and selfish you are. The Tanki business is dependent on your type to make profit, and I don't blame you. That's just how every game works, but hey, we non-druggers as a community are speaking up for ourselves, for our sake and the future of Tanki.

 

*Note: speaking in general to all druggers

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

Druggers that abuse the drugs in order to overpower normal players, to gain this very, very questionable form of "fun" or "thrill" at the cost of others... this is what I can't agree to.

 

 

[...good reasoning..]

If you drug only in pure drugger matches, where - lets say - 80% use drugs (and the rest is obviously in the wrong battle) -> then I guess none would complain about it. Have your fun there with your favoirite gamemode :)

Go on and be this Achilles that uses empowerments in the same way like his enemy, to face each other at an equal level at the most extend of power. I wish you much fun and luck on your quest :)

 

And for normal battles: please be so disciplined, fair and honorable like a true warrior -> and dont start heavy drugging just because you spot two occasional druggers in your enemy team of 8. Then you will produce a lot of "drive by accident" kill on all other teamplayers as your double damage hammer 1shots three hornets in a sequence.

 

Thanks in advance, for all the players that can enjoy the game because of your sportsmanship  :)

 

ps: could you explain to me, how druggers atract druggers? I have never seen that. But you are right that I don't use drugs during battling.

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

Druggers that abuse the drugs in order to overpower normal players, to gain this very, very questionable form of "fun" or "thrill" at the cost of others... this is what I can't agree to.

That, my dear friend, is called bullying - especially if they are enjoying other players' suffering.

 

 

If you drug only in pure drugger matches, where - lets say - 80% use drugs (and the rest is obviously in the wrong battle) -> then I guess none would complain about it. Have your fun there with your favoirite gamemode :)

Go on and be this Achilles that uses empowerments in the same way like his enemy, to face each other at an equal level at the most extend of power. I wish you much fun and luck on your quest :)

That, we have no problem with, as that is what it is meant for, but this:

 

And for normal battles: please be so disciplined, fair and honorable like a true warrior -> and dont start heavy drugging just because you spot two occasional druggers in your enemy team of 8. Then you will produce a lot of "drive by accident" kill on all other teamplayers as your double damage hammer 1shots three hornets in a sequence.

This is called having integrity which is obviously a trait that druggers are clearly lacking. Instead, the characteristic that druggers have in its place

is arrogance and selfishness, and they prove my point just by posting here.

 

ps: could you explain to me, how druggers atract druggers? I have never seen that. But you are right that I don't use drugs during battling.

Their lame excuse for drugging is "counter-drugging." Let me explain counter-drugging: basically you drug back if an enemy drugs first, and only if you two are directly fighting each other. So, we approach each other, he activates a Double Armor, I activate a Double Damage, then when he's on low health, activates a repair kit and I do the same. You can't say you're counter-drugging if the drugger is on the other side of the map. But if you're drugging because the other team is drugging, that's called balancing the team power. Counter-drugging only applies to a direct stand-off between two players. 

 

So I guess that is how "druggers attract druggers."

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

 

I posted this in the other drugging topic, but here is where it fits perfectly:

 

All y'all druggers are just extremely conceited, inconsiderate, ignorant, and selfish. You think you're so great because you drug: "Drugs are in the game, deal with it" Yeah dude, we are dealing with it, right now, in this topic and this one.  -_- As long as you obtain benefit at the expense of other players' experience then you are okay with it. That is how ignorant and selfish you are. The Tanki business is dependent on your type to make profit, and I don't blame you. That's just how every game works, but hey, we non-druggers as a community are speaking up for ourselves, for our sake and the future of Tanki.

 

*Note: speaking in general to all druggers

 

Go buy some drugs man.. btw im not a buyer but i buy drugs in big amountsl

^ Clearly selfish and ignorant, proving my point and requiring no further explanation...

[BSG-62 512]

^ Clearly selfish and ignorant, proving my point and requiring no further explanation...

These days, it's not just the druggers that are doing that. I played a nice Kungur CP and later CTF. It was very enjoyable. That is, until a bunch players started accusing me of being a massive druggers because i knew all the drop zones and picked them up and i smashed them. They spent more time saying (censored censored censored drugger noob who censored censored censored) than they did actually playing.

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

Those people do not represent our non-drugging community (hopefully). As far as posts in this topic go, many of us are trying to be as respectful as possible whereas druggers just don't give a crap and spray all their bs all over this topic. And hopefully none of our non-drugging community members were there participating.

[BSG-62 512]

^True.

 

Having viewed their most commonly used words, i have found that most are 4 letter words or their derivatives. 

[RustyNail 1,538]

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And for normal battles: please be so disciplined, fair and honorable like a true warrior -> and dont start heavy drugging just because you spot two occasional druggers in your enemy team of 8. Then you will produce a lot of "drive by accident" kill on all other teamplayers as your double damage hammer 1shots three hornets in a sequence.

 

...

 

 

These days, it's not just the druggers that are doing that. I played a nice Kungur CP and later CTF. It was very enjoyable. That is, until a bunch players started accusing me of being a massive druggers because i knew all the drop zones and picked them up and i smashed them. They spent more time saying (censored censored censored drugger noob who censored censored censored) than they did actually playing.

 

Let's define in detail and through some examples what drugging is.

 

Definition: drugging is the constant use of supplies, be them one, two or all three at a time.

Explanation: we call drugging the constant use of supplies. Not the number of supplies used. A player that goes constantly on ONE supply (say, DD), is a drugger. Drugging is inability to play without supplies. (of course, being all the time on two or three supplies is worse than being on one, but anyway the player is a drugger).

 

A useful couple of examples:

A. we see a player that comes into our base, having two supplies activated: say, a DA and DS. Is he a drugger? The truth is, we can't be sure. He might very well got one from a drop and activated the other in order that he steals the flag.

B. we see a player running away from a bunch of enemies, by activating a DS and a mine. Is he a drugger? Probably no, but we can't know for sure.

 

Then, what is the proof in both cases that we see a drugger? The answer is made of two words: consistency and conditions.

 

A normal player will use supplies in certain conditions only and not all the time. They will use them in order to steal a flag, in order to get away from the enemy base with their flag or in order to deflect an enemy attack towards the flag. Or, during the last seconds of a battle, when score is equal.

A drugger will use supplies anywhere, regardless of conditions. He will start using them right after spawn. He will use them even if their team wins and the score is lopsided. You will see the drugger always on supplies. You will never see them without one or two.

 

So, before you call someone a drugger, pay attention and make sure you see him at least three different times with supplies activated, and away from relative drop points. Only then you are right in calling the player drugger.

 

p.s. one of the most silly excuses for drugging is that our life is in danger. We confront an opponent and he is better (or with a better combo) so in a few seconds he will kill us, then we say to ourselves "if I don't use DA or repair kit or DD or anything he will kill me". Well, the truth is that in this case you just can't play without drugging. So either you die or you drug. Drug, means you are a drugger.

 

p.s.2 it is true that as time passes, the battles are being full of supplies. In a way, we all become slowly druggers. That was the planning from the beginning of SCD. And if it goes on, in a few months all of us will play using constantly supplies. Or, whoever chooses to go on playing Tanki.

[Drunk 29]

Druggers that abuse the drugs in order to overpower normal players, to gain this very, very questionable form of "fun" or "thrill" at the cost of others... this is what I can't agree to.

 

 

If you drug only in pure drugger matches, where - lets say - 80% use drugs (and the rest is obviously in the wrong battle) -> then I guess none would complain about it. Have your fun there with your favoirite gamemode :)

Go on and be this Achilles that uses empowerments in the same way like his enemy, to face each other at an equal level at the most extend of power. I wish you much fun and luck on your quest :)

 

And for normal battles: please be so disciplined, fair and honorable like a true warrior -> and dont start heavy drugging just because you spot two occasional druggers in your enemy team of 8. Then you will produce a lot of "drive by accident" kill on all other teamplayers as your double damage hammer 1shots three hornets in a sequence.

 

Thanks in advance, for all the players that can enjoy the game because of your sportsmanship  :)

 

ps: could you explain to me, how druggers atract druggers? I have never seen that. But you are right that I don't use drugs during battling.

I guess I'm in the wrong battle 100% of the time.