Reduce power of garage supplies

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

It would s actually... Then use ur repair xD

Really? If you both have repair kits, then you know the guy who activates his first is probably gonna die, right?

 

So why not just save yourself 150 crystals and some time and just... y'know, not activate the repair kit when you're being killed? If everyone drugs, Tanki wins, and everybody else loses. That's what we don't want.

 

It's still way more fun, then it's not just who uses their tank wisely, but drugs as well. Adds another layer to the game

You and I obviously have differing ideas about what's fun. I respect that, and that's fine with me, but keep your idea of fun out of my battles, thank you very much.

 

U can go cry becuz someone used their repair kit and killed u, does it honoustly matter.

U are all a bunch of cry baby wimps.

Insults? Really? Okay, I probably can't say anything funny about this without it being rude.

 

All I'm going to say is that I think it's ironic how you're calling us babies, which is painting you as the more immature person.

[TG159 734]

Really? If you both have repair kits, then you know the guy who activates his first is probably gonna die, right?

 

So why not just save yourself 150 crystals and some time and just... y'know, not activate the repair kit when you're being killed? If everyone drugs, Tanki wins, and everybody else loses. That's what we don't want.

Don't spend 150 cry for 1 repair, get the 1000+ kit and get them from missions.

 

Tank is a stradegy game.

Focus on one (1) combo (yes, I'm a bad example don't do what I do). Upgrade them. MU them. Buy drugs.

 

Then in battle:

If all drug, the skillful players outclass the noobs be a larger margin, cuz they (should) now how to use drugs wisely, and their tank wisely.

 

I salute druggers (can't really afford them last while) becuz they are doing the best of their abilitys to help their tam win.

[BSG-62 512]

It's still way more fun, then it's not just who uses their tank wisely, but drugs as well. Adds another layer to the game

 

U can go cry becuz someone used their repair kit and killed u, does it honoustly matter.

U are all a bunch of cry baby wimps.

yes it does matter. 

[TG159 734]

yes it does matter. 

Ur kidding right, so u gonna cry cuz someone killed u? Just kill em back lol.

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

Don't spend 150 cry for 1 repair, get the 1000+ kit and get them from missions.

Oh, well, I'm sorry... I don't happen to have 150K crystals lying around... If you do, then kudos to you. Give yourself a pat on the back, and maybe eat a cookie. But lower-ranked players matter too, and they can't just pull that kind of money out of their crapholes.

[TG159 734]

Oh, well, I'm sorry... I don't happen to have 150K crystals lying around... If you do, then kudos to you. Give yourself a pat on the back, and maybe eat a cookie. But lower-ranked players matter too, and they can't just pull that kind of money out of their crapholes.

Not my problem u wasted ur crystals on 6 m1s.

[BSG-62 512]

Ur kidding right, so u gonna cry cuz someone killed u? Just kill em back lol.

how do i kill them back? they're using a massive amount of drugs And drugging back usually ends with getting killed when i run out or getting stuck in the middle of a cooldown. Call that fun? 40 seconds shooting each other for 10 points?

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

If all drug, the skillful players outclass the noobs be a larger margin, cuz they (should) now how to use drugs wisely, and their tank wisely.

Yeah, that'd be really nice, wouldn't it? I'm not being sarcastic either -- that would be awesome if battles were won by the skilled players.

 

The problem is that not everybody can drug. Like I said, I don't have a pile of crystals lying around, and I'm not about to go buy one. Drugging is SUPER expensive.

 

But if we all didn't drug, then guess what? We'd have the exact same scenario -- skillful players outclass the noobs. Problem solved!

 

Look, if you use drugs occasionally, then that's fine. I'm a nitro addict, and people are okay with that, so a few DD's and DA's here and there are okay. But if you make it a crutch -- if you're constantly using them to win -- then I'm sorry to say but you're playing right into the devs' hands. They want you to drug more and more, so they can keep seeping your money away. Heck, why do you think Premium Accounts are now a thing?

 

Tanki is Pay-to-Win, and we here on this topic would like that to change. We believe that the skilled players should be the winners 80% of the time (the 20% compensates for hackers, imbalance in ranks, etc).

 

And heck, if you want tutorials on how to play without drugs, I'll gladly help! I know it seems ridiculous, but I'm willing to help anybody, regardless of rank, hours played, or experience. (I just might need to rank up once more to actually join a battle with you...)

[TG159 734]

how do i kill them back? they're using a massive amount of drugs And drugging back usually ends with getting killed when i run out or getting stuck in the middle of a cooldown. Call that fun? 40 seconds shooting each other for 10 points?

If hey are so noob u should easily be able to kill them,

Cuz according to this page, all druggers are

1. Noobs

2. Have rich moms

3. 0 skill

 

U should be able to kill them, I can kill druggers any day if hey are noobs,

However some of druggers Have LOTS of skill.

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

how do i kill them back? they're using a massive amount of drugs And drugging back usually ends with getting killed when i run out or getting stuck in the middle of a cooldown. Call that fun? 40 seconds shooting each other for 10 points?

I'd also politely like to ask you to tone it back a bit. Getting angry is never the answer. We're supposed to be defusing the situation, not escalating it. So can I ask you to please take a deep breath and clear your head before typing a reply? Can you do that, one small thing, for me? Please?

 

Thanks. ;)

[BSG-62 512]

If hey are so noob u should easily be able to kill them,

Cuz according to this page, all druggers are

1. Noobs

2. Have rich moms

3. 0 skill

 

U should be able to kill them, I can kill druggers any day if hey are noobs,

However some of druggers Have LOTS of skill.

​from experience, the only skill i've seen them have is putting bricks on space-bars and pressing 12345. I've seen nothing else at all.

[BSG-62 512]

I'd also politely like to ask you to tone it back a bit. Getting angry is never the answer. We're supposed to be defusing the situation, not escalating it. So can I ask you to please take a deep breath and clear your head before typing a reply? Can you do that, one small thing, for me? Please?

 

Thanks. ;)

i wasn't angry. It's how i usually talk in any debate or banter.

[TG159 734]

Yeah, that'd be really nice, wouldn't it? I'm not being sarcastic either -- that would be awesome if battles were won by the skilled players.

 

The problem is that not everybody can drug. Like I said, I don't have a pile of crystals lying around, and I'm not about to go buy one. Drugging is SUPER expensive.

 

But if we all didn't drug, then guess what? We'd have the exact same scenario -- skillful players outclass the noobs. Problem solved!

 

Look, if you use drugs occasionally, then that's fine. I'm a nitro addict, and people are okay with that, so a few DD's and DA's here and there are okay. But if you make it a crutch -- if you're constantly using them to win -- then I'm sorry to say but you're playing right into the devs' hands. They want you to drug more and more, so they can keep seeping your money away. Heck, why do you think Premium Accounts are now a thing?

 

Tanki is Pay-to-Win, and we here on this topic would like that to change. We believe that the skilled players should be the winners 80% of the time (the 20% compensates for hackers, imbalance in ranks, etc).

 

And heck, if you want tutorials on how to play without drugs, I'll gladly help! I know it seems ridiculous, but I'm willing to help anybody, regardless of rank, hours played, or experience. (I just might need to rank up once more to actually join a battle with you...)

Hhh look my profiles and how many drugs I use, exactly. Not many.

U don't have crystals lying around cuz ur 6 m1s.

Of all drug, skill people outclass noobs by a LARGER margin that if none drugs,

Also, if I buy say 1000 drugs for 105000, I can make my increased profit right around 100,000 crystals.

How long do those 1k drugs last you? Exactly , if u r skilled at using drugs to ur advantage more than others... U could actually GAIN profit.

[TG159 734]

​from experience, the only skill i've seen them have is putting bricks on space-bars and pressing 12345. I've seen nothing else at all.

U don't understand the differ between non skilled and skilled druggers. It's not hard, just lay attentuon. Invite 100 druggers to 1v1, I bet right around 59 would beat u. Maybe more.

 

I find this image really self centred, everyone here thinks they are better than everyone else.

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

If hey are so noob u should easily be able to kill them,

Cuz according to this page, all druggers are

1. Noobs

2. Have rich moms

3. 0 skill

 

U should be able to kill them, I can kill druggers any day if hey are noobs,

However some of druggers Have LOTS of skill.

I've actually never said that. I avoid using the word "all", since that literally means "all-encompassing", or "everyone I'm referring to". I prefer using the word "most".

 

Yes, I agree. Most druggers have a shocking lack of skill playing the game without drugs. Yes, I've seen quite a few people who are extremely efficient at playing with drugs. I play on higher-ranked servers all the time, with players one or two ranks lower than your own, and I know the type. They're extremely good at what they do. The problem comes when they ram up against people who have learned to play without drugs. The non-druggers are dominated because drugging is inherently overpowered.

 

Let me put this into perspective for ya. I can see that you're a Railgun user, and a pretty good one at that. Let's say, for one day, all your turrets are taken away, except for Freeze. You have to play with Freeze. Would you be a very effective player? I doubt it.

 

It's the same thing with drugs. For druggers, they've become such a core part of the game that they're unable to play without it. That's why we call them "addicts", because they are literally addicted to using drugs, and can't function without them. We want them to learn how to play without drugs, so they don't have to be addicts. It's a lot less expensive, and a lot more fulfilling.

[TG159 734]

I've actually never said that. I avoid using the word "all", since that literally means "all-encompassing", or "everyone I'm referring to". I prefer using the word "most".

 

Yes, I agree. Most druggers have a shocking lack of skill playing the game without drugs. Yes, I've seen quite a few people who are extremely efficient at playing with drugs. I play on higher-ranked servers all the time, with players one or two ranks lower than your own, and I know the type. They're extremely good at what they do. The problem comes when they ram up against people who have learned to play without drugs. The non-druggers are dominated because drugging is inherently overpowered.

 

Let me put this into perspective for ya. I can see that you're a Railgun user, and a pretty good one at that. Let's say, for one day, all your turrets are taken away, except for Freeze. You have to play with Freeze. Would you be a very effective player? I doubt it.

 

It's the same thing with drugs. For druggers, they've become such a core part of the game that they're unable to play without it. That's why we call them "addicts", because they are literally addicted to using drugs, and can't function without them. We want them to learn how to play without drugs, so they don't have to be addicts. It's a lot less expensive, and a lot more fulfilling.

But my turrets won't be taken away. Step into reality kidz.

And I barely ever see good druggers brigadier and under, I could always kill druggers at ur rank...

Keep in mind this was when there was no cooldown...

[TG159 734]

If u do want drugs get rail hornet go XP...

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

But my turrets won't be taken away. Step into reality kidz.

First off, I dislike you calling me a "kid". I may not be a legal adult, but I've never tinted your dignity during this talk, and I expect the same level of respect from you. Thank you.

 

Secondly, continuing on this line:

 

But my turrets won't be taken away.

I was making an analogy -- you'd be uncomfortable playing with Freeze, right? In the same way, you'd be uncomfortable playing without drugs, because it's just how you play. The difference between turrets and drugs is that your drugs can go away, and then you'd be left practically defenseless.

 

And don't say that you wouldn't be. I know how it feels to run out of drugs. I'm heavily addicted to nitro, and when I run out, I freak out. Be honest, if all your drugs were taken away, you'd flip out too.

 

(And before you say "Step into reality" again, need I remind you that your account can be hacked and all your drugs removed? It's happened to hundreds of tankers)

 

And I barely ever see good druggers brigadier and under, I could always kill druggers at ur rank...

People make alternate accounts, and thus, heavy drug addicts make their way into the lower ranks. *shrugs*

 

Keep in mind this was when there was no cooldown...

I've actually been around before Smart Cooldowns existed as well, and drugging is still as big of a problem today as it was then. Smart Cooldowns did nothing.

[TG159 734]

First off, I dislike you calling me a "kid". I may not be a legal adult, but I've never tinted your dignity during this talk, and I expect the same level of respect from you. Thank you.

 

Secondly, continuing on this line:

 

 

I was making an analogy -- you'd be uncomfortable playing with Freeze, right? In the same way, you'd be uncomfortable playing without drugs, because it's just how you play. The difference between turrets and drugs is that your drugs can go away, and then you'd be left practically defenseless.

 

And don't say that you wouldn't be. I know how it feels to run out of drugs. I'm heavily addicted to nitro, and when I run out, I freak out. Be honest, if all your drugs were taken away, you'd flip out too.

 

 

People make alternate accounts, and thus, heavy drug addicts make their way into the lower ranks. *shrugs*

 

 

 

 

I've actually been around before Smart Cooldowns existed as well, and drugging is still as big of a problem today as it was then. Smart Cooldowns did nothing.

Wanna see my drugs I have? 0 of each.

And I'm actually really good with freeze tbh, use it as my main on my alt. (M2)

U just adapt, if u run out "oh well" keep playing.

 

I'm trying too ne'er stand ur reasoning,

What's bad about drugging? You can drug as well, if u can't, tough luck. I've gotten 1st place plenty of times in drug wars with out drugs.

 

I find it fun to play against druggies with nothing but myself :]

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

Alright, let me spell this out, because I'm clearly not getting the point across.

 

Using drugs is comparable to using a turret. If you're skilled with Railgun, but poor with Smoky, you're not going to want to use Smoky. In the same way, if you're skilled with using drugs, but you're not skilled playing without drugs, you're going to drug constantly.

 

Let's say (this is an example, just follow me) that Vulcan was overpowered. Its damage was doubled, its spin-up time was removed, and it gave your tank an extra health boost every time you fired. Odds are, people would be upset at Vulcan users. You can't just say "well then everyone should use Vulcan" because it costs money, and some people don't like the play style that comes with using Vulcan. Others won't buy Vulcan because they don't want to use such an overpowered weapon -- they'd rather wait until it gets nerfed.

 

You still with me? Good, 'cuz it's time to address Drugs.

 

Now, let's say (this is not an example) that Drugs are overpowered. Drugs give you extra speed, twice the damage, twice the armor, and an insta-heal/invincibility for 2 seconds. Odds are, people would be upset at Drug users. You can't just say "well then everyone should use Drugs" because it costs money, and some people don't like the play style that comes with using Drugs. Others won't buy Drugs because they don't want to use such an overpowered game mechanic -- they'd rather wait until it gets nerfed.

 

Now do you see where I'm coming from? I hope so, because this is about as clear as I can spell it out.

[TG159 734]

Alright, let me spell this out, because I'm clearly not getting the point across.

 

Using drugs is comparable to using a turret. If you're skilled with Railgun, but poor with Smoky, you're not going to want to use Smoky. In the same way, if you're skilled with using drugs, but you're not skilled playing without drugs, you're going to drug constantly.

 

Let's say (this is an example, just follow me) that Vulcan was overpowered. Its damage was doubled, its spin-up time was removed, and it gave your tank an extra health boost every time you fired. Odds are, people would be upset at Vulcan users. You can't just say "well then everyone should use Vulcan" because it costs money, and some people don't like the play style that comes with using Vulcan. Others won't buy Vulcan because they don't want to use such an overpowered weapon -- they'd rather wait until it gets nerfed.

 

You still with me? Good, 'cuz it's time to address Drugs.

 

Now, let's say (this is not an example) that Drugs are overpowered. Drugs give you extra speed, twice the damage, twice the armor, and an insta-heal/invincibility for 2 seconds. Odds are, people would be upset at Drug users. You can't just say "well then everyone should use Drugs" because it costs money, and some people don't like the play style that comes with using Drugs. Others won't buy Drugs because they don't want to use such an overpowered game mechanic -- they'd rather wait until it gets nerfed.

 

I understand now.

But, drugs won't ever be nerfed.

 

[akinam1 5]

The problem is that not everybody can drug. Like I said, I don't have a pile of crystals lying around, and I'm not about to go buy one. Drugging is SUPER expensive.

 

But if we all didn't drug, then guess what? We'd have the exact same scenario -- skillful players outclass the noobs. Problem solved!

 

 

^this 

Totally agree

[TG159 734]

^this 

Totally agree

Nope, ur pr let guts is...

I hate to break it to you but...

U have bad crystal management. 6 m1s?

Could bought 2 m1s and saved for m2s. Once u are nearly or have enough to for those m2 buy drugs...

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

U have bad crystal management. 6 m1s?

Could bought 2 m1s and saved for m2s. Once u are nearly or have enough to for those m2 buy drugs...

Honestly, I wouldn't have even bought M1 Hornet nowadays. I barely use it. The only reason I bought it was because back then, you had to buy M1, M2, M3 in that order, and M2 Hornet was gonna be my first M2 hull. Same with Isida, although I do use that every now and again. And I also bought Railgun because... hey, sometimes you need a long-range weapon, right?

 

As for Viking, I need a medium/large hull for smaller maps like Polygon and Island. If I narrowed myself down to only one style of gameplay, I'd lose versatility. A ninja's best weapon, other than speed and stealth, is versatility.

 

But just sayin', even if I did have 150K crystals lying around, I wouldn't spend it on drugs. It's not worth it, 1) because I'm not used to playing with drugs, 2) because I feel it's unethical, and 3) because I'll eventually use them all up. Much better to develop non-drugging gameplay skills, and hope for a nerf in the future.

 

(And honestly, a lot of my money is going into Micro-Upgrades. I've nearly turned my Firebird and Wasp into M2's, and I'm planning to go the whole stretch)

[BSG-62 512]

 

Alright, let me spell this out, because I'm clearly not getting the point across.

 

Using drugs is comparable to using a turret. If you're skilled with Railgun, but poor with Smoky, you're not going to want to use Smoky. In the same way, if you're skilled with using drugs, but you're not skilled playing without drugs, you're going to drug constantly.

 

Let's say (this is an example, just follow me) that Vulcan was overpowered. Its damage was doubled, its spin-up time was removed, and it gave your tank an extra health boost every time you fired. Odds are, people would be upset at Vulcan users. You can't just say "well then everyone should use Vulcan" because it costs money, and some people don't like the play style that comes with using Vulcan. Others won't buy Vulcan because they don't want to use such an overpowered weapon -- they'd rather wait until it gets nerfed.

 

You still with me? Good, 'cuz it's time to address Drugs.

 

Now, let's say (this is not an example) that Drugs are overpowered. Drugs give you extra speed, twice the damage, twice the armor, and an insta-heal/invincibility for 2 seconds. Odds are, people would be upset at Drug users. You can't just say "well then everyone should use Drugs" because it costs money, and some people don't like the play style that comes with using Drugs. Others won't buy Drugs because they don't want to use such an overpowered game mechanic -- they'd rather wait until it gets nerfed.

 

Now do you see where I'm coming from? I hope so, because this is about as clear as I can spell it out.

 

That's pretty much explained everything that the this topic has said.

Very well said. Excellent.