Reduce power of garage supplies

[The-Operator219 1,929]

Shhhhh TG.... you might wake operator

(Incoherent mumbling)

[ELIZABETH1122 337]

I spent all my pocket money on drugs

Excellent :lol:  :lol:  :lol: !

[NINJA_TANK75 3]

Just to start this is one of the best games i've ever played.  I appreciate all the hard work that the devs went through in order to put this together and look forward to more.  Now onto the supplies at hand.  As diverse as this game can get it all simply still revolves around whoever pays the most money wins.  What that means is the deep wallet warriors, credit card champions, whatever  all have the means of a. getting every single hull, every single paint, every single turret, an unlimited amount of supplies and of course the unlimited crystals to mu everything.  So that's great for them.  It's nice to have money and be able to spend it. 

 

What it's not nice for is for the working man/woman that has to bite and scratch their way through this game earning a measily maybe couple thousand crystals through maybe an entire day of playing.  Why are we only able to earn that much?  Because of the rich people.  If I had a dollar for every time I was annihilated by any player that as soon as they spawn they pop a supply and go on a wrecking spree, or a player that pops supplies still gets killed, leaves comes back with a bigger hull, different paint, resumes supply overload and again goes on a wrecking spree.  For everyone in their wake it's crushing.  The only people that don't seem to mind are the other rich players that do the same.  Now I've read that lots of generalissimos complain about not having anything to spend their unlimited crystals on once they've bought and mu'd everything else.  I understand but still.  That does nothing for the less fortunate that live on daily rewards alone and run out of them after half of a 30 minute round that is again dominated by that uber spender. 

 

I think what would really be a nice thing would be to swap around the game modes.  Make pro free and rename the original free mode to something like "supply heavy" or what not.  since those top tankers have infinite crystals and supplies why not give them something to actually spend it on.  Make "them" pay for the privilege of being about to use unlimited supplies so they can battle amongst themselves and see who the best drugger is.  Let those that don't have unlimited resources, all hulls, all turrets, all paints, all mu's or anyone that wants to actually act like a pro do so.  I know it's only 5k crystals for a month and honestly that's not bad at all so I mean I guess you could just keep that. 

 

But seriously for those guys that just can't seem to keep their fingers off the supply buttons just because they a. have missions to complete, b. want to come in first place c. don't care regardless,  make them pay crystals too.  Another thing that I believe would make this game more of one about skill and less about wallets and number keys is making the setting where when you enter a match whatever hull and paint and turret you use is locked.  I love that since if you accidentally entered a room full of firebirds and you're not wearing zeus or the other anti-flame paint, then you should have to deal with it or just leave the match altogether.  Or.... one thing i kind of enjoyed was the time limit that started coming up where if you kept changing over and over and over the wait timer would be longer and longer.  Maybe just make that standard.  The point is to actually make people work for their meal.

 

I'm not saying supplies as a general item are bad.  They are indeed helpful.  I love making a run for that double weapon box and if i get it yay.  If not well i guess it's time to die.  However when you can't even get halfway there cause someone else has just spawned, hit the appropriate button and wiped you out,  well that's no fun.  It's pretty much pointless.

 

I'm not saying that altering your setup is bad.  However when you see people change 20 times cause they are getting killed (these being the rich peeps that have all the hulls, paints, guns, mu's and such)  Once again it can quickly become pointless.  The player you were able to destroy just a minute or two before is not a mammoth fortress with the 50% defense paint against your weapon shows up and it's game over.

 

Tanki can make some more money, Generalissimos can spend all those zillions of crystals they've amassed.  Supply spammers can overdose to their hearts content.  I think it would be a win win win situation across the board.  I know all the common responses to people saying bad things about supplies so oh well.  Also if no consideration is given to this, I would not necessarily be surprised as again those with money get things done.  Thanks for reading my rant if you did.  Sorry if it made some people mad.  Glad if it made sense to others.

[ELIZABETH1122 337]

Just to start this is one of the best games i've ever played.  I appreciate all the hard work that the devs went through in order to put this together and look forward to more.  Now onto the supplies at hand.  As diverse as this game can get it all simply still revolves around whoever pays the most money wins.  What that means is the deep wallet warriors, credit card champions, whatever  all have the means of a. getting every single hull, every single paint, every single turret, an unlimited amount of supplies and of course the unlimited crystals to mu everything.  So that's great for them.  It's nice to have money and be able to spend it. 

 

What it's not nice for is for the working man/woman that has to bite and scratch their way through this game earning a measily maybe couple thousand crystals through maybe an entire day of playing.  Why are we only able to earn that much?  Because of the rich people.  If I had a dollar for every time I was annihilated by any player that as soon as they spawn they pop a supply and go on a wrecking spree, or a player that pops supplies still gets killed, leaves comes back with a bigger hull, different paint, resumes supply overload and again goes on a wrecking spree.  For everyone in their wake it's crushing.  The only people that don't seem to mind are the other rich players that do the same.  Now I've read that lots of generalissimos complain about not having anything to spend their unlimited crystals on once they've bought and mu'd everything else.  I understand but still.  That does nothing for the less fortunate that live on daily rewards alone and run out of them after half of a 30 minute round that is again dominated by that uber spender. 

 

I think what would really be a nice thing would be to swap around the game modes.  Make pro free and rename the original free mode to something like "supply heavy" or what not.  since those top tankers have infinite crystals and supplies why not give them something to actually spend it on.  Make "them" pay for the privilege of being about to use unlimited supplies so they can battle amongst themselves and see who the best drugger is.  Let those that don't have unlimited resources, all hulls, all turrets, all paints, all mu's or anyone that wants to actually act like a pro do so.  I know it's only 5k crystals for a month and honestly that's not bad at all so I mean I guess you could just keep that. 

 

But seriously for those guys that just can't seem to keep their fingers off the supply buttons just because they a. have missions to complete, b. want to come in first place c. don't care regardless,  make them pay crystals too.  Another thing that I believe would make this game more of one about skill and less about wallets and number keys is making the setting where when you enter a match whatever hull and paint and turret you use is locked.  I love that since if you accidentally entered a room full of firebirds and you're not wearing zeus or the other anti-flame paint, then you should have to deal with it or just leave the match altogether.  Or.... one thing i kind of enjoyed was the time limit that started coming up where if you kept changing over and over and over the wait timer would be longer and longer.  Maybe just make that standard.  The point is to actually make people work for their meal.

 

I'm not saying supplies as a general item are bad.  They are indeed helpful.  I love making a run for that double weapon box and if i get it yay.  If not well i guess it's time to die.  However when you can't even get halfway there cause someone else has just spawned, hit the appropriate button and wiped you out,  well that's no fun.  It's pretty much pointless.

 

I'm not saying that altering your setup is bad.  However when you see people change 20 times cause they are getting killed (these being the rich peeps that have all the hulls, paints, guns, mu's and such)  Once again it can quickly become pointless.  The player you were able to destroy just a minute or two before is not a mammoth fortress with the 50% defense paint against your weapon shows up and it's game over.

 

Tanki can make some more money, Generalissimos can spend all those zillions of crystals they've amassed.  Supply spammers can overdose to their hearts content.  I think it would be a win win win situation across the board.  I know all the common responses to people saying bad things about supplies so oh well.  Also if no consideration is given to this, I would not necessarily be surprised as again those with money get things done.  Thanks for reading my rant if you did.  Sorry if it made some people mad.  Glad if it made sense to others.

Pro Pass 5,000 crystals.  Premium Account, 90 days 28 Euros, 30 Days 10 Euros, 7 days 3 Euros, 1 day 1 Euros.  Any of the proceeding will allow drug free play as much as you like.  I play there some times also.  I use supplies and some times for months on end use non.  i have accounts that use none or have no  input of cash at all, much better ratio in fact. 

 

You tend towards emotive language of the working man.  I was a worker for the whole of my working life.  The cost of Tanki are small, really.  An Americanism, dollars,  what about the free loaders, I believe that is anther Americanism.  They are those who want a free ride in life.  Yet many of those who complain of drugs furnish their garage with expensive equipment and still have excuses for using drugs when it suits.  Their is loads of tosh spoken about morals spoken on these boards in reference to supplies, yet the vast majority of those who purport to have them are a bit like the British Prime Minister when it come to Tax and foreign investments in tax havens.  We find so much hypocrisy it is simply staggering.  One of those, I believe is in some sort of hiding because of being exposed.  I understand that he may have been the OP on this topic  We have those who detest drugs so much that they use them for daily missions.  It just goes on and on.   The rich changing 20 times?  what are you doing in the game to observe all of this, are you a war journalist?

[The-Operator219 1,929]

Before we all start arguing, and I dive behind a flipped-over table, let's all have a moment to celebrate:

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

So I really don't know why, but when I keep telling the people arguing to stop, (including Rusty) the people arguing just bring it over to me and bash on me when I literally haven't said anything against them or their precious drugs. :huh: Then they resume arguing over something completely unrelated and say I'm being provocative, when I've basically just been telling them to stop. Nice.

[The-Operator219 1,929]

Just let them argue, when they lock the topic things will just keep going on.

The world will keep spinning, and people will continue dying by the thousands.

[ELIZABETH1122 337]

I read the article that you posted about free games.  It was very enlightening.  Some of it confirming what I felt was going on but had no real researched evidence to back it up.  Quite disturbing really. That is why the brought in new weapons and diminished Shaft.  They did not want one of their latest tool of physiological unsettlment being taken down.  They want disharmony and insecurity, they need us to buy new paint mu supplies.

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

Well.... i dont really care about it being for revenue.....

you arnt going to use google just becauae they look to make money......

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

Fine.... so you might have to play 2 daya of none pro to make the 5k for pro....... its not that big a deal....

why should tanki devs have to cut their revs because you are acting childish.

For anti drug amusment i will set out to prove you are wrong. Ill create an account nammed: antidrugger-inoob or similar and get to 3rd lt. rank without using supplies and being able to get pro without damaging my crystals too much.

if i can succede i want all the tankers who ever ever ever ever commented here to stop complaining and just accept their noobness.

ofc i wont start till a few of the anti druggers agree.

i wont use drugs.

i wont turn turret till a few ranks up.

i wont buy cry

i will get 2 m2s by lt ranks

and pro passes

[The-Operator219 1,929]

And you'll prove...?

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

 i want all the tankers who ever ever ever ever commented here to stop complaining and just accept their noobness.

 

link it to my account please, I need drugs.

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

And you'll prove...?

that your claims ar false

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

link it to my account please, I need drugs.

sure

[The-Operator219 1,929]

Go ahead, we'll continue our discussion in your absence.

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

Nobody's arguing, we're just defending ourselves with arguments 

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

Tanki gives you ice creams for free and you demand the chocolate flake over the top.

Well, I'm glad you stated your opinion. Now let me state mine, alright?

 

So for one, I'm not a buyer, and I probably will never be. But I'm okay with there being differences between buyers and non-buyers. After all, the buyers make profit for Tanki, and despite how much we rag on Tanki's developers (who are admittedly stupid at times), they still roll out some pretty sweet updates.

 

Personally, I actually like the Premium update. It gives payers a moderately powerful paint, unlimited PRO pass, and crystal and XP boosts. But because the crystal and XP boosts aren't monetary -- they're dependent on how much you score in a battle -- it still requires some skill to get a ton of crystals and/or XP. Basically, it's a major step up from normal free-to-play, but doesn't affect other players all that much (except in lower ranks). So no, I'm not against buyers who buy Premium.

 

And of course, if you need the extra 10,000 crystals to get your next modification upgrade, and you have $5 lying around, that's cool. I'm fine with people who buy just to get the next mod, or paint, or whatever.

 

The buyers I'm not fine with (and I think that most people will find annoying) are the people who buy kits and/or drugs, because both of them are overpowered (kits are overpowered for their rank anyway, drugs are just overpowered). To top that off, once you buy a kit, you're rewarded with even more drugs, which just skyrockets the imbalance. So yes, I don't like people who buy drugs or kits.

 

In short... I'm not against ALL buyers. Just the ones who use their money as a crutch to hobble their way through the game.

 

In the same way, I'm not against ALL druggers. I only dislike the ones who use their drugs as a crutch to hobble their way through the game.

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

um...... put your "im smart" mask back on.... i didnt need to see whats under it.

what is that?

Yes, i am biased.... no one isnt. I will defend my fellow players over those who go against them. However its your choice to get into this mess. I can handle the mess, can you?

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

The buyers I'm not fine with (and I think that most people will find annoying) are the people who buy kits and/or drugs, because both of them are overpowered (kits are overpowered for their rank anyway, drugs are just overpowered). To top that off, once you buy a kit, you're rewarded with even more drugs, which just skyrockets the imbalance. So yes, I don't like people who buy drugs or kits.

 

In short... I'm not against ALL buyers. Just the ones who use their money as a crutch to hobble their way through the game.

 

In the same way, I'm not against ALL druggers. I only dislike the ones who use their drugs as a crutch to hobble their way through the game.

Either:

They are lots of them and its what many tankers want

or its not common and you dont face them alot

 

And*.... how many of those OP druggers really buyers. I know 3 none buyers who fit your description of a buyer.

3 is a very high percentage of tankers then. How many lower rank none buyers buy OP kits, alot.

[ELIZABETH1122 337]

I was just playing on an other account, non paying, free, if you like.  I was accused of being a drugger because at one stage of the battle, I activated DD or was it DA, only once.  The other player made out he was upset.  I ignored him.  The point of this is that on that account I buy no supplies or anything else but was discriminated against anyway.  So one might as well buy them.  We already know that those who object use what ever supplies that they have regardless.  So are you a drugger if you use but do not buy?  :lol:  B)

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

So are you a drugger if you use but do not buy? 

Druggers and buyers are not the same. You can be a drugger without being a buyer, it's just gonna be pretty hard. So the short answer is yes.

 

(And the term "drugger" as I use it is "someone who regularly activates more than one drug at once". If you activate one drug every once in a while, you're probably not a drugger. ;) )

 

how many of those OP druggers really buyers. I know 3 none buyers who fit your description of a buyer.

I'm sure that at your rank, a lot of druggers don't have to pay for their drugs anymore, since they've probably collected so much over the years. But at my rank, unless you want to run out of drugs every Wednesday, you're going to have to buy them.

 

How many lower rank none buyers buy OP kits, alot.

The prices for buying kits at these ranks are rather insane. At WO5 you have to spend 110K (ish) crystals to buy the Tornado Kit, and it only sticks around for three ranks. I really doubt anyone who's not a buyer can get that by the time it goes away. Unless you're a really good saver, but who wants to play the game like that?

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

Ita all a matter of discipline.... 1 OF the 3 is not yet generalissimo. He is 2 star. The other two, im not sure if they were generalissimo

[MOO_I_AM_A_COW 110]

I personally really like drug battles. With smart cooldowns it's not 2,3,and 4 its 2,3 or 4. It's do I use this repair now or later? Do I lay a mine? It put's skill into activating drugs. However, for those of you who don't like drugs, just buy a PRO pass. I made 5k in 1.5 hours today, and you're generallissmos. The ONE problem that I can see is a lack of PRO battles. And that it was I think the discussion in this topic should be. How to convince players to play in PRO battles. Thank you.

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

Envy rich people won't help! In fact, you're still able to play for free thanks to many hardcore buyers who are ready to spend thousands of $ ^_^

(Puts hand up ((4-5k) (call me stupid but i worked and it was a tiny percentage of salary, year long job) (just since it was mentioned...... it would really suck to get blocked or banned forever.)

[mynameisdaniel_2015 144]

Pro Pass 5,000 crystals.  Premium Account, 90 days 28 Euros, 30 Days 10 Euros, 7 days 3 Euros, 1 day 1 Euros.  Any of the proceeding will allow drug free play as much as you like.  I play there some times also.  I use supplies and some times for months on end use non.  i have accounts that use none or have no  input of cash at all, much better ratio in fact. 

 

You tend towards emotive language of the working man.  I was a worker for the whole of my working life.  The cost of Tanki are small, really.  An Americanism, dollars,  what about the free loaders, I believe that is anther Americanism.  They are those who want a free ride in life.  Yet many of those who complain of drugs furnish their garage with expensive equipment and still have excuses for using drugs when it suits.  Their is loads of tosh spoken about morals spoken on these boards in reference to supplies, yet the vast majority of those who purport to have them are a bit like the British Prime Minister when it come to Tax and foreign investments in tax havens.  We find so much hypocrisy it is simply staggering.  One of those, I believe is in some sort of hiding because of being exposed.  I understand that he may have been the OP on this topic  We have those who detest drugs so much that they use them for daily missions.  It just goes on and on.   The rich changing 20 times?  what are you doing in the game to observe all of this, are you a war journalist?

mate this is a game for talentless children with nothing productive to do with their time. Unfortunately, I can't imagine a whole lot of us stupid kids who could possibly care about the British Prime minister, tax and foreign investments. And by the way, what is a worker in a working life doing playing tanki all the time :huh: