Reduce power of garage supplies

[basenji7 1,199]

A few ideas:

1. Give more free supplies from missions and chains

This would allow free players to much more easily combat buyers, since they do have a large advantage in being able to buy drugs and drug nonstop.

 

2. A cap on the amount of supplies allowed in a battle - perhaps a set limit for normal battles and adjustable or able to be turned off as a PRO option

For example, in a 15 min battle, one player would only be allowed to use a set amount of drugs, the amount maybe dependent on rank, which would make the use of drugs much more strategic. This would allow people to drug normally, but wouldn't allow buyers to keep on drugging, something most free players are unable to do. I think several other people have suggested this before, and it's a good idea. 

 

3. An option when creating a battle to turn off supplies, even without a PRO pass and/or reducing the price of a PRO pass for lower ranks

At this point, non-supply battles are relatively uncommon, especially for low ranks like me. This would, I think, make it a lot easier to find suitable non-drug battles fitting your needs, while still preserving drugging battles. 

[Bydo 20,141]

sorry post to long to read but i sort of get what your talking about so this is sort of my view on it

 

if tanki would cut the supply damage or reduce health to half the strength on drop box's and leave garages as is.. then players would have to pay for more drugs instead of relying  on drops ..this way players would be either force to buy or not and i can see less buyers in time ..due to cost would not make it worthy to invest ..

[Metaphor 538]

What if we got bonus crystals for not drugging :ph34r:

[dan146_tanker 770]

Well for everyone reading this I have an idea that should be a start to keeping non-druggers and druggers in balance. http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=243958&page=56&hl=%2Bsilver+box&do=findComment&comment=5717703 click this link to find out my brilliant idea called the ''Silver Box''.

[Metaphor 538]

Heck no, why would you (Non-Druggers in general) get extra crystals just for crying that the bonus ain't enough, drug problems and etc all over again?

It would be an incentive to not drug so much in battles is why.

[dan146_tanker 770]

-_- I am a Drugger-from-missions but the buyer drugger won't even care and you'll still be dying and calling "NOOB TANKI! U SUK OMG FIX DA DRUG PROBLEM U NOOBS".

So you admit your a ''drugger'' and that you think there is a ''DRUG'' problem..... -_- And unless you get skills without drugs don't call other people noobs <_< ​

[Guest Maserati]

If we reduce power of garage supplies, it will ruin how the game is run. Drugs have always been and will be apart of this game, and they are not Over-Powered. If you want to reduce the capability of drugs, then we should also reduce everything else in proportion. Also if you don't like drugs, then just play pro battles without drops and drugs. I understand where you are coming from Brubook, but there are alternative ways to go around this.

[dan146_tanker 770]

If we reduce power of garage supplies, it will ruin how the game is run. Drugs have always been and will be apart of this game, and they are not Over-Powered. If you want to reduce the capability of drugs, then we should also reduce everything else in proportion. Also if you don't like drugs, then just play pro battles without drops and drugs. I understand where you are coming from Brubook, but there are alternative ways to go around this.

The thing is no one really buys the PRO pass at middle or low ranks. It costs too much plus too many people just troll you when you do parkour, and if no one buys the PRO how is anyone gonna join your battles? Drugs are not the best part of Tanki, if anything they are the worst. Most druggers just drug cause they lack of any real skill. And don't say druggers have skill cause its super easy to just press 1 and heal yourself when your about to get killed in a battle. I'm not saying all supplies should be taken away from Tanki but what I am saying is the players should not be able to own or buy supplies. Boxes drop for everyone. If I see someone pickup a box I don't consider them as a drugger but If you use your own supplies its kinda unfair and in my opinion its cheating and I know lots of people who would agree with me. Tanki would benefit by taking supplies out of gameplay. Instead of liking drugs so much and relying on them all the time just get some skill. If your weapons are too weak then upgrade them, upgrades are fair and last forever until you buy the next modification of your gun, but drugs just last a few seconds in battle and are way to easy to get. If druggers have skill then why do they need to rely on supplies all the time? A non-drugger has more skill waiting for the right opportunity to strike the enemy flag uses skill to eliminate all enemies in DM mode, but druggers just get double damage and repair themselves which isn't really fair. Do you really think taking drugs out of gameplay would be bad? Cause right now drugs don't really fit well in the gameplay.

[Guest Maserati]

 

Well it looks like you haven't done much drug wars :P, there is skill in pretty much everything depending on your perspective, and I am pretty sure most players who you would consider pro and I would consider pro, did use drugs to play. And you shouldn't complain about 'druggers' as they spent their own time obtaining them or their own money buying them, And don't think I do not know what you are going through, as I was also a newb once ranking and facing many 'druggers', but yeah that is life. And back then there was no such thing as Micro-Upgrades, this is a recent thing which probably lowered the amount of druggers assuming they wasted crystals on MU'ing instead of buying drugs. You don't really see how TO has tried to lower the amount and keep the game fair, or give other advantages in other ways, but they do. Also TO would not benefit in taking supplies out of the gameplay, around 2 years ago, they implanted cooldowns and I am not lying, 1000s of players quit. Some cameback once they allowed an option to disable cooldowns in pro battles. If you wish to complain about drugs then you are complaining about this game, if you don't realise but this game was built with drugs and will stay with drugs, 100s have complained before this topic was made, no difference will be made even if a few people complain about how over-powered they are. And talking about skill, skill develops with the features with the game, if you can't have enough skill being able to beat druggers there is no need to complain they are OP.... I hope I made this clear.

[basenji7 1,199]

blah blah

Drugs are an inherent part of the game, and they do, in part, require skill to use. However, at this point, they are OP and the discrepancy between free players and buyers is too high, leading many people to complain. It is difficult for free players, even those with skill, to combat druggers effectively. PRO battles are relatively uncommon due to the price, which is at lower ranks high. 

[dan146_tanker 770]

Well it looks like you haven't done much drug wars :P, there is skill in pretty much everything depending on your perspective, and I am pretty sure most players who you would consider pro and I would consider pro, did use drugs to play.

Wrong. I play in the test server and there are only drug wars there. But you say a PRO uses drugs. PROs have skill right? Then tell me how is it PRO to heal yourself and get double damage to kill all your enemies. Lots of REAL PROS would be able to kill a drugger easy without using drugs (as long as the drugger doesn't use any either). Why do ''PROs'' rely on drugs so much instead of their own skill? Why are people in this topic so scared supplies might get taken out of the game? Its cause PROs do NOT drug. The reason druggers don't want to have drugs taken out is cause they won't be able get a single kill in any battles. If druggers have REAL skill then there is no point in relying on drugs.

[lukey0 27,543]

The funniest part about this topic is the are no statistics what so ever. Its all just opinions, mainly opinions of about 12 different players. I'd hate to break it to you but 12 players is not the majority in this game. 

 

No matter how much the Deves nerf supplies, you will always complain. Just be honest. 

[Guest Maserati]

Drugs are an inherent part of the game, and they do, in part, require skill to use. However, at this point, they are OP and the discrepancy between free players and buyers is too high, leading many people to complain. It is difficult for free players, even those with skill, to combat druggers effectively. PRO battles are relatively uncommon due to the price, which is at lower ranks high.

Yeah I also know how you feel, as it was much worse back in the old days. "However, at this point, they are OP" ???? What, they have always been what you consider 'OP', and if you went back 3 years ago, they were be what you consider 'Godmode_ON'. As you notice this thread is 1 year old, and I think they did not realise how much the cooldowns affected drugs.

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Wrong. I play in the test server and there are only drug wars there. But you say a PRO uses drugs. PROs have skill right? Then tell me how is it PRO to heal yourself and get double damage to kill all your enemies. Lots of REAL PROS would be able to kill a drugger easy without using drugs (as long as the drugger doesn't use any either). Why do ''PROs'' rely on drugs so much instead of their own skill? Why are people in this topic so scared supplies might get taken out of the game? Its cause PROs do NOT drug. The reason druggers don't want to have drugs taken out is cause they won't be able get a single kill in any battles. If druggers have REAL skill then there is no point in relying on drugs.

Mate, I get what you are saying, but test server is not this server. Yeah Pros have used drugs and you see these future pros, they don't complain about drugs if they are affected by it, they ignore it and keep going. Nah, no one is scared about getting drugs taken away, but people complaining has already led to cooldowns, and then they complain more and more which is ruining the game. Yeah you know another thing, if you go play a game with high ranks and no drugs, it is not about skill it is a lot about luck if you can kill-steal or kill the right person or if you are strong enough. Many generalissimos do not have what you say strong equipment if you compare it to others, as there are lots of things involved for strong equipment.

[basenji7 1,199]

Yeah I also know how you feel, as it was much worse back in the old days. "However, at this point, they are OP" ???? What, they have always been what you consider 'OP', and if you went back 3 years ago, they were be what you consider 'Godmode_ON'. As you notice this thread is 1 year old, and I think they did not realise how much the cooldowns affected drugs.

 

I wasn't around when cooldowns hadn't been introduced, but I can imagine how bad it would be - fully drugged tanks continually dominating the battlefield. Cooldowns were a great update I think, and introduced a much more strategic side to drugs, rather than simply pressing buttons. Drugs are, however, still overpowered, although much less than before. It's manageable, especially if you have skill, and at my rank it's not really a big problem except a few people drugging as constantly as they can. 

The funniest part about this topic is the are no statistics what so ever. Its all just opinions, mainly opinions of about 12 different players. I'd hate to break it to you but 12 players is not the majority in this game. 

 

No matter how much the Deves nerf supplies, you will always complain. Just be honest. 

 

I don't particularly want supplies to be nerfed further. I do, however, think it would be a good idea to reduce the price of the PRO pass or make the option of creating supply-less battles free, since even if I buy the PRO pass, no one joins or creates battles, as they don't have a PRO pass. I can't back this up with data, but I rarely find drug free battles in my server, and most of the PRO battles I see are empty parkour or XP/BP battles. In contrast, during the days following the tankipocalypse everyone had premium and therefore the PRO pass, and I saw many more PRO drug free battles. It may simply have been the novelty of the item, but I do think it would help. I don't consider drugs inherently bad, but people who can afford to drug more tend to be able to dominate even more skilled players. 

[dan146_tanker 770]

Mate, I get what you are saying, but test server is not this server. Yeah Pros have used drugs and you see these future pros, they don't complain about drugs if they are affected by it, they ignore it and keep going. Nah, no one is scared about getting drugs taken away, but people complaining has already led to cooldowns, and then they complain more and more which is ruining the game. Yeah you know another thing, if you go play a game with high ranks and no drugs, it is not about skill it is a lot about luck if you can kill-steal or kill the right person or if you are strong enough. Many generalissimos do not have what you say strong equipment if you compare it to others, as there are lots of things involved for strong equipment.

I never said this server was the test server. What I said was I have been to drugs wars IN the test server. And you are wrong about ''playing with high ranks comes down to luck''. This just proves that unless you have skill you can't get a single kill. Get skills learn how to kill steal. Don't relying on drugs cause that's when it ACTUALLY comes down to luck. Whoever presses the repair button first wins. But in non-drugged battles its whoever can evade an enemy attack and strike back immediately with a counter attack. Luck just doesn't come into skilled battles. And if your saying most generalissimos  don't have good equipment then how come I go to battles with brigaders and they only have M3. Look on youtube All M3 generalmissios and can you actually provide any proof that most generalmissio's don't have good equipment? If you don't have good equipment that's your problem it only means your spending your crystals on drugs. Or just upgrading weapons your probably not even going to use. DRUGS get addictive to some people cause they can't win any battles without using them. I'm not saying pickups are bad but when you buy your own supplies it ruins the fun for everyone. Less supplies = More skill  -_- 

[Guest Maserati]

 

 

 

Yeah I agree, they should lower price of Pro Pass depending on what rank you are, especially at the lower ranks as crystals are harder to obtain.

 

I never said this server was the test server. What I said was I have been to drugs wars IN the test server. And you are wrong about ''playing with high ranks comes down to luck''. This just proves that unless you have skill you can't get a single kill. Get skills learn how to kill steal. Don't relying on drugs cause that's when it ACTUALLY comes down to luck. Whoever presses the repair button first wins. But in non-drugged battles its whoever can evade an enemy attack and strike back immediately with a counter attack. Luck just doesn't come into skilled battles. And if your saying most generalissimos  don't have good equipment then how come I go to battles with brigaders and they only have M3. Look on youtube All M3 generalmissios and can you actually provide any proof that most generalmissio's don't have good equipment? If you don't have good equipment that's your problem it only means your spending your crystals on drugs. Or just upgrading weapons your probably not even going to use. DRUGS get addictive to some people cause they can't win any battles without using them. I'm not saying pickups are bad but when you buy your own supplies it ruins the fun for everyone. Less supplies = More skill  -_-

Mate, I get where you are going but first you need first-hand experience before the 'speculations'. If you understood, most famous M3 combo is XP, and you expect an XP to go to a DM without drugs and face people with much more greater combos. Anyways that is not the point I am trying to tell you, less supplies does not equal more skill, You can say what you want, but if you used drugs efficiently you would realise it requires more skill than you make it out to be, it is not simply spamming the keys 1,2,3,4,5 or what you are implying. Maybe its not luck, but drugs is another level of skill....

[dan146_tanker 770]

Yeah I agree, they should lower price of Pro Pass depending on what rank you are, especially at the lower ranks as crystals are harder to obtain.

 

Mate, I get where you are going but first you need first-hand experience before the 'speculations'. If you understood, most famous M3 combo is XP, and you expect an XP to go to a DM without drugs and face people with much more greater combos. Anyways that is not the point I am trying to tell you, less supplies does not equal more skill, You can say what you want, but if you used drugs efficiently you would realise it requires more skill than you make it out to be, it is not simply spamming the keys 1,2,3,4,5 or what you are implying. Maybe its not luck, but drugs is another level of skill....

You can call it skill but that doesn't change the fact that all you ARE doing is spamming keys. How that skill. XP requires 0 supplies. And if your PRO you can use XP combo to win in M3 battles. What you are saying now is basically ''more supplies = more skill. If you are for supplies not being reduced or taken out of gameplay your in the wrong topic. This top clearly STATES: ''Reduce the power of garage supplies''.  Just use pickups. Cause it takes REAL skill to get them in DM battles. Why do you think supplies were taken out of DM tournaments?  Its cause even the devs agree that there is too much supplies being used. And if less supplies doesn't equal more skill than what does it equal? Why do people call you a noob if you drug? Its cause a PRO doesn't drug. If you have a 1v1 with most druggers in  PRO battle and disable drugs the chances are they won't be able to injure you let alone get a kill. Most people that drug do lack of skill, as you said before people have better M3 combinations than you which makes you weak but instead of trying you go to drugs and throw away your skills to win unfairly. And yes drugging isn't fair something needs to be done about this problem now. The old Tanki as you said involved a lot of drugs without cool downs, however this isn't the old Tanki. This is better and improved. Drugs are a waste so don't say they require skill cause they don't. Anyone can press numbers to heal themselves. But if you think it takes skill (which it doesn't) please explain to me how it takes skill. I can easily explain how non-druggers have skill, but can you explain how druggers have skill? Cause non-druggers as I said before wait for the right moment to strike an opponent for their flag and evades enemy attacks coming straight back from every attack with a counter attack. That is true skill. Drugs are Tanki ''ENHANCERS'' which means you aren't using your own skill. You are simply borrowing power from drugs to temporarily increase yours. If you had skill you wouldn't need drugs to win.  

[dan146_tanker 770]

All those arguing for the fact that Drugs=skill, just stop posting here as these stubborn non-druggers won't listen as they can't get a real life.

 

Also, if you say that "Tanki is a wargame, supplies for cheaters", then in "war" the participants will do ANYTHING to find a lead against enemy, k.

Tanki is TANK game

[dan146_tanker 770]

A tank is used in war so Tanki =Wargame, I am not noobie on internet, just get a life and leave or whine whatever you want, no one cares supplies WILL STAY.

You obviously care. Please don't ruin this topic for people that ACTUALLY care about Tanki Online gameplay and want to make it fair for everyone. And eventually supplies will be taken off Tanki and I hope its sooner than later. So please stop whining about non-druggers need to learn to play with supplies. This topic as I said before is 'Reduce the power of garage supplies''. If your not up for reducing and taking supplies away from Tanki your in the wrong topic. This topic was clearly made to try and take supplies away. So why come here? To whine cause you are scared to have supplies taken off Tanki? If supplies were taken off could druggers get any kills? Please STOP ruining the topic. -_-

[Metaphor 538]

All those arguing for the fact that Drugs=skill, just stop posting here as these stubborn non-druggers won't listen as they can't get a real life.

 

Also, if you say that "Tanki is a wargame, supplies for cheaters", then in "war" the participants will do ANYTHING to find a lead against enemy, k.

Whether a person drugs or not does not determine whether they have a life or not.Yes, there is no such thing as cheating in war ( besides breaking the Rules of Engagement). You are entitled to use cheap tactics, but that most certainly does not mean you are a better player...just really resourceful and desperate.

[Metaphor 538]

A tank is used in war so Tanki =Wargame, I am not noobie on internet, just get a life and leave or whine whatever you want, no one cares supplies WILL STAY.

That does not make it a war game. For instance, if I were playing a game that allows the use of guns and the goal was to catch the bank robber...guns are used in war, but does that mean I am playing a war game?

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

Reality check.

 

 

Please don't ruin this topic for people that ACTUALLY care about Tanki Online gameplay and want to make it fair for everyone.

Making gameplay fair for everyone is not one of tanki's goals.

 

 

If your not up for reducing and taking supplies away from Tanki your in the wrong topic.

Tanki are not interested. The only reason this topic exists is to give you a place to moan. You could have the best idea here that is fair to all players but tanki will never change. They've made this clear on numerous occasions. This topic is a dumping ground.

 

Tanki will change things when they want and probably when an opportunity comes a long that will make them more money. If you can devise an idea that is fair to all and make them more money then they might consider your idea for a few seconds and maybe in some parallel universe it will get implemented. (that's the one where pigs have wings)

 

Anyone proposing good ideas are ultimately wasting their own time but it's good to get it on record that you tried and tanki ignored you which adds another one to the tally and to their general pattern of disinterest.

 

 

Please STOP ruining the topic. -_-

This topic is already ruined. My advice is to think of an idea and suggest it and ask the mod to keep it separate for a few weeks to see if it has any merit of its own, before it ultimately winds up being dumped in here.

 

 

[lukey0 27,543]

You obviously care. Please don't ruin this topic for people that ACTUALLY care about Tanki Online gameplay and want to make it fair for everyone. And eventually supplies will be taken off Tanki and I hope its sooner than later. 

 

 

 

 

 

Added spoilers. ^^

[ghost-guns 1,486]

I find myself in a dilemma. I'm saving for railgun so I can play xp/bp, but I'm tempted to simply quit this game forever.

 

My enjoyment went a LONG time ago but I persevered.

 

Dropped 150,000 on viking so I could last 1 second longer in battles. Thanks a lot.

 

Entire enemy teams equipped with double damage non-stop.

 

Skyscrapers is a total joke.

 

Tanki is nothing more than a drug war.

 

My mission supplies are gone so quickly that I can't play as often now.

 

Russian servers are a total joke because crystals are cheap so they're on unlimited drugs basically.

 

Why should I even bother playing tanki x if it's going to be the same crap?

[dan146_tanker 770]

I remeber warning Tanki about this in another topic. If Tanki doesn't do something about supplies then people are just going to leave the game and no people equal no money which means no Tanki.

 

I find myself in a dilemma. I'm saving for railgun so I can play xp/bp, but I'm tempted to simply quit this game forever.

 

My enjoyment went a LONG time ago but I persevered.

 

Dropped 150,000 on viking so I could last 1 second longer in battles. Thanks a lot.

 

Entire enemy teams equipped with double damage non-stop.

 

Skyscrapers is a total joke.

 

Tanki is nothing more than a drug war.

 

My mission supplies are gone so quickly that I can't play as often now.

 

Russian servers are a total joke because crystals are cheap so they're on unlimited drugs basically.

 

Why should I even bother playing tanki x if it's going to be the same crap?

And I agree Tanki is becoming a big drug war. http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=177429?&page=33 I wrote what I think would happen if Tanki doesn't do something about supplies. This quote is showing what I predicted is becoming true. No one will play Tanki X if they have a bad experience with Tanki Online.