Reduce power of garage supplies

[beaku 2,656]

i just hate the drugged railers and thunders............at my rank railers and thunderers are on drugs like always........killed in one shot........wth.....now one more wth weopon was introduced few days back............the hammer...........facing m3 hammer is very difficult................and when i see drugged hammer.........its like..........oh God wth........... just drugged hammer's two shots to kill my viki 3.5 ...........sorry not two shots even double powered 1.5 shots of hammer is enough to kill my viki 3.5.......wow.... :blink:

You can always make use of

1. Long ranged weapons.

2. Hammer protection paint.

3. Double armour.

[Vikingsrallentando 3,058]

As I wrote, non druggers (and non buyers or little buyers) actually give Tanki the critical mass (the sufficient number of players) to make the game interesting for everyone. Then, a percentage of that mass will be more keen on buying, giving money to support Tanki.

Also, Tanki money can come from materials and MUs too. Overall you can spend millions of cry to have the tanks or turrets or paints you want.

 

Lets remember that without the critical mass, Tanki would not exist and be as it is!

You have unlocked the reason why this is a problem, at least to some. Tanki has to find ways to sustain their company, most commonly aiding to the buyers. The non-buyers suffer, having to decided between MU'ing their tank or upgrading it; the second option is always the best, in my opinion. I honestly feel sorry for the developers as they have to please their paying audience and then have to get flaked by the non payers.

 

I, personally, rarely ever play matches with drugs. I find battles without them are more enjoyable and fair in comparison to full "234" battles as I call them (without smart supplies), as some go all out and some don't. I have an abundance of supplies. Do I go all out sometimes? Sure. Would I do it regularly? No. It gets mindless really fast; thus PRO battles are my solution. I also find XP to be the most strategic of the game in general (not comparing to clans tho). Takes a lot more than pressing 234.

 

when Smart Cooldowns came.

So when Smart cooldowns came, drugers whined,  so it had to be made an option to be toggled on or off. See who has the leverage?

 

P.S.

Ouch. Bit ya in the tail there, didn't it? I know, I was once in a position similar to yours.

Going along with RustyNail and Brubooks response, the majority of the playerbase recognizes them under the term "drug" on a regular basis. My guess would be 7 out of 10(?) players would call them drugs on the server, give or take a few people. IF he used "supplies" 37 times, he may not have appealed to his target audience of non paying players as well as he has. So I think criticizing the credibility of this opinion on the term caused by the developers error is a bit unfair.

 

I'm not going into the numbers or the ideas to solve the issue, am merely pointing out how I can relate to this debate.

[r_Desi_Boyz0 0]

You can always make use of

1. Long ranged weapons.

2. Hammer protection paint.

3. Doubman 

i agree with this guy sid262 ....these railers and thunder always on drug and hammer is too OP

[sid262 283]

You can always make use of

1. Long ranged weapons.

2. Hammer protection paint.

3. Double armour.

 

i agree with this guy sid262 ....these railers and thunder always on drug and hammer is too OP

oh come on its really frustating to get killed by railers and thunder noobs which r always on drugs.......and rail just attack from no where and kill us suddenly.........wth .......drugged thunder kill like 4 players at a time .......worse than rail......thats y thunder guys always on drug...at my level........and hammer is OP....and if it gets drugged ...then no chance against it ....very bad........and ofcos am looking forward to some gud paint...just waiting for atleast 50 off discount.....

[samlauncher 106]

oh come on its really frustating to get killed by railers and thunder noobs which r always on drugs.......and rail just attack from no where and kill us suddenly.........wth .......drugged thunder kill like 4 players at a time .......worse than rail......thats y thunder guys always on drug...at my level........and hammer is OP....and if it gets drugged ...then no chance against it ....very bad........and ofcos am looking forward to some gud paint...just waiting for atleast 50 off discount.....

may i ask what turret you are using?

[Brubook 1,161]

You can always make use of

1. Long ranged weapons.

2. Hammer protection paint.

3. Double armour.

Again, apart changing completely your own style and preference, against a drugger you must drug .... is this the whole game strategy?

 

What about millions of words spent on what is best weapon compared to map, what is best combo, how to face a specific weapon? Is that all just phylosophy?

[Brubook 1,161]

Drugging is not a very big problem as long as lower ranks play with their own ranks and not with lieutenants. Please read my previous post.

Not much PRO battles available at those ranks and on the few of them only part are really "no drug" battles. Please read my (and not only my) previous posts

[MrsTankBuster2 141]

I very much agree with the general sentiments of the OP.

 

I recently had the opportunity to use the test server and be a 'Generalisimo' for the first time, with unlimited access to everything, including supplies - I hated it.  Why? Because it doesn't matter if you have the top equipment and paints - you have to drug just to keep up because everyone else drugs non-stop. This is no fun at all and there is nothing stategic about it.

 

Now I don't play Tanki as much because this style of play is not for me so I'm in no rush to progress any further. It has got nothing to do with whether I spend money on drugs or not - it's just not an enjoyable style of gameplay for me.

 

When people are using Double Power all the time other people hardly get a chance to spawn, get their bearings and drive their pride and joy a couple of metres before they're dead - where's the fun in that?

 

"Go join a Pro Battle" I hear some of you cry!  You must be joking!  Not only are there hardly any Pro Battles around, but, just like in the test server, in Pro Battles I rarely see the 'no supplies' option activated - instead I see the 'smart cool downs' turned off so people can drug even more!!!!

 

Supplies should not be the main focus of this game IMO. Perhaps the default use of supplies should be much more limited and one should join a Pro Battle if one wants to drug alot rather than the other way around.

 

But then again, if this is the main way that the developers make money, I guess you have get used to drugging a lot more, which is a very different type of game for someone who has made there way up to a certain level without doing that (like me) - or play a different game altogether.

 

If using supplies is an integral part of the game, then perhaps a lot more free supplies should be made available at Recruit level onwards so people get used to using them as such.

 

And breathe... :P

[Eragon 13,876]

Buy a pro pass. If you lose in a pro battle that means its not the drugs fault, but your own. Buying a pro pass is much cheaper than buying a few hundred drugs every week. And more profitable.  

[samlauncher 106]

use of supplies was much worse before smartcooldowns, with all 3 main drugs on, against normal tanks without supplies is slaughter, the test server where everone drugs is because its free -_- , why bother discussing anymore? nothing is changing anytime soon and why should it

[Brubook 1,161]

I very much agree with the general sentiments of the OP.

 

I recently had the opportunity to use the test server and be a 'Generalisimo' for the first time, with unlimited access to everything, including supplies - I hated it.  Why? Because it doesn't matter if you have the top equipment and paints - you have to drug just to keep up because everyone else drugs non-stop. This is no fun at all and there is nothing stategic about it.

 

Now I don't play Tanki as much because this style of play is not for me so I'm in no rush to progress any further. It has got nothing to do with whether I spend money on drugs or not - it's just not an enjoyable style of gameplay for me.

 

When people are using Double Power all the time other people hardly get a chance to spawn, get their bearings and drive their pride and joy a couple of metres before they're dead - where's the fun in that?

 

"Go join a Pro Battle" I hear some of you cry!  You must be joking!  Not only are there hardly any Pro Battles around, but, just like in the test server, in Pro Battles I rarely see the 'no supplies' option activated - instead I see the 'smart cool downs' turned off so people can drug even more!!!!

 

Supplies should not be the main focus of this game IMO. Perhaps the default use of supplies should be much more limited and one should join a Pro Battle if one wants to drug alot rather than the other way around.

 

But then again, if this is the main way that the developers make money, I guess you have get used to drugging a lot more, which is a very different type of game for someone who has made there way up to a certain level without doing that (like me) - or play a different game altogether.

 

If using supplies is an integral part of the game, then perhaps a lot more free supplies should be made available at Recruit level onwards so people get used to using them as such.

 

And breathe... :P

Thank you for comment

 

Yes, I fully agree with your words, and I appreciate to read several different but similar positions. Thank you

[Brubook 1,161]

use of supplies was much worse before smartcooldowns, with all 3 main drugs on, against normal tanks without supplies is slaughter, the test server where everone drugs is because its free -_- , why bother discussing anymore? nothing is changing anytime soon and why should it

Thank you for comment

 

Actually I disagree with you. I think that reading opinions may (or might) be somehow useful to make this nice game better. Not only on this specific subject, I think that game designers look for and need feedbacks like this, both if they are positive and if they underline problems.

Dialog is the base of democracy and success of any community.

[RustyNail 1,538]

You can always make use of

1. Long ranged weapons.

2. Hammer protection paint.

3. Double armour.

1. Is that a solution? Nope. Different weapons exist to support different game styles and tastes. Your proposal is equal to "use a turret you don't like but that it is effective". And here is the crusial point, whether the game is balanced so that every taste can enjoy equaly the game. Is railgun and thunder OP? I doubt it, hammer is way more OP. However, I can see the point if a railgun shot or a thunder shot (both with double power) can kill from far away. So, it's again a matter of drugging frequency.

2. That is right. He can buy (hopefuly) one or two hammer protection paints.

3. Using a power up is not an option sometimes. I mean, this comment aquires meaning if applied to a new player, who doesn't know how to play. But urging an experienced player to use a supply, well, you can see that it's not a useful piece of advice. Anyways, one can lack either the supply or the will to use it (as one may prefer to use another one, as nitro, etc).

All in all, I think you don't really answer the question...

 

use of supplies was much worse before smartcooldowns, with all 3 main drugs on, against normal tanks without supplies is slaughter, the test server where everone drugs is because its free -_- , why bother discussing anymore? nothing is changing anytime soon and why should it

May I remind you that the 1-2-3 phenomenon was present AFTER the give away of hundreds of supplies for free from Tanki (after the battle of Rusty Barrels II)? Before that, no big issues with drugging existed. So, it's a matter of frequene of use really. An issue that can be solved easily by removing the supplies kits and by increasing the cooling period for all the supplies.

[RustyNail 1,538]

Just came from a battle. See the screenshots and somebody tell me where's the skill in that...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

D/L = 68/9

 

 

 

Was it fun for him? Maybe.

 

Was it fun for his teammates? Sure! Easy money...

 

Was it fun for the rest of the players? Hell no!

 

Was it skill? Hell no!

 

Was it fair? Hell no!

 

Was it good publicity for Tanki? Hell no!

 

That's what drugging is about.

[deadtoyou 2,502]

^Thank you.  :)

[Brubook 1,161]

 

Just came from a battle. See the screenshots and somebody tell me where's the skill in that...

 

Was it fun for him? Maybe.

 

Was it fun for his teammates? Sure! Easy money...

 

Was it fun for the rest of the players? Hell no!

 

Was it skill? Hell no!

 

Was it fair? Hell no!

 

Was it good publicity for Tanki? Hell no!

 

That's what drugging is about.

 

 

This is a crystal clear example! Compliments!

[beaku 2,656]

See, I don't get why you people hate supplies so much. They have always been a part of the game and the only people who I know hate them are

1. Broke

2. Don't know how to use them

3. Professionals who don't like their use.

The 3rd category uses PRO battles to their advantage and have been doing so successfully for many years.

The 1st and 2nd category of people are the one who just whine for no reason. Mostly the reason is because they lose to people who use supplies.

Now, believe it or not, using supplies is not a mindless job. It actually requires skill to do so properly. So if you see any player using supplies, he is not a noob, but skilled. For example, while using railgun, you can't just press 3 on spawning. You need to analyse whether using an armour is the better option. Then you need to time yourself. You have to use double power when you are sure you will get maximum advantage out of it. You don't want to ruin it by killing one person and then roaming for next 40 seconds.

So if you want to stop getting killed, learn to use supplies or go PRO.

[r_priyangshu0 270]

Drugging is not a very big problem as long as lower ranks play with their own ranks and not with lieutenants. Please read my previous post.

Sorry, beaku, I am a 3rd Lieutenant. I play mostly Noise CTFs, the most popular and fun battles IF there are no 'Supply Users', at EN5, my rank server. There are about 15 of them at peak server load.

 

Now, in my experience, I find atleast one supply user with Health Kit every 2-3 battles. The normal ones, guaranteed, atleast in Noise CTFs, appear ALMOST every round or battle. In the end, you have to spend more time finding a proper battle or improvising tactics, than ACTUALLY PLAYING. After the SC, did the usage of supplies decrease? No. Infact, it was promoted by doubling supplies, so everyone can use them. After a while the hardcore ones started running low on them. So, they laid low till, as they expected, Tanki Developers reiterated Non-SC battles as a Pro-Battle option. Did this satisfy them? No, still no. They were still low on supplies, so they needed to get them somehow. That's when Tanki reinstated THE GAME. As expected, the Russians won. But they also got FREE Supplies. The Usage went up rapidly, and it got unbalanced soon. The Russiains dominated many games with their supplies. Just when they started to run low, Tanki released the Supply Kits. Now they could buy as much as they wanted. And, those who bought them, didn't need to worry about them running out because, before they do, they will be released again. That is some marketing from the devs. No one realized this either.

 

Anyways, back to my point, most people at my rank, use supplies, mainly the Health Kit. Now I have about 100 Double Power and 250 Nitros, 70 Double Armour. But Repair Kit? No, I only have two of them, which explains my point that the Health Kit can only be massively used by those who received free supplies from The GAME, or bought a Supply Kit. What does that mean? It means that, people will continue to use supplies at mass, SC won't stop (many of) them from pressing a button to change the outcome of a

battle.

 

Longer Cooldowns, and implication of the reduction of supply usage, is mandatory in this game.

[beaku 2,656]

 

 

Sorry, beaku, I am a 3rd Lieutenant. I play mostly Noise CTFs, the most popular and fun battles IF there are no 'Supply Users', at EN5, my rank server. There are about 15 of them at peak server load.

 

Now, in my experience, I find atleast one supply user with Health Kit every 2-3 battles. The normal ones, guaranteed, atleast in Noise CTFs, appear ALMOST every round or battle. In the end, you have to spend more time finding a proper battle or improvising tactics, than ACTUALLY PLAYING. After the SC, did the usage of supplies decrease? No. Infact, it was promoted by doubling supplies, so everyone can use them. After a while the hardcore ones started running low on them. So, they laid low till, as they expected, Tanki Developers reiterated Non-SC battles as a Pro-Battle option. Did this satisfy them? No, still no. They were still low on supplies, so they needed to get them somehow. That's when Tanki reinstated THE GAME. As expected, the Russians won. But they also got FREE Supplies. The Usage went up rapidly, and it got unbalanced soon. The Russiains dominated many games with their supplies. Just when they started to run low, Tanki released the Supply Kits. Now they could buy as much as they wanted. And, those who bought them, didn't need to worry about them running out because, before they do, they will be released again. That is some marketing from the devs. No one realized this either.

 

Anyways, back to my point, most people at my rank, use supplies, mainly the Health Kit. Now I have about 100 Double Power and 250 Nitros, 70 Double Armour. But Repair Kit? No, I only have two of them, which explains my point that the Health Kit can only be massively used by those who received free supplies from The GAME, or bought a Supply Kit. What does that mean? It means that, people will continue to use supplies at mass, SC won't stop (many of) them from pressing a button to change the outcome of a

battle.

 

Longer Cooldowns, and implication of the reduction of supply usage, is mandatory in this game.

 

So your argument is based upon you not having supplies, eh?? You want tanki to change supplies format because YOU don't own them. Let me tell you one thing, at your rank I already had 2k supplies of each. No, I have never bought a single supply or crystal. As I said before, I was smart enough not to waste a few supplies I had in my lower ranks. That 'few' soon reached 500 of each supply. Then came Star ladder season 1. I placed a bet on Noobest and won 500 supplies. After their doubling in Smart cooldowns, I had 2000. See... It was easy enough because I didn't keep them below 50 on lower ranks. So, if you want supplies, save smartly.

I still don't agree that all your games can be ruined by few supply users. Why is it that you never land up on their team?? You can stop this debates until you have better arguments.

[RustyNail 1,538]

See, I don't get why you people hate supplies so much. They have always been a part of the game and the only people who I know hate them are

1. Broke

2. Don't know how to use them

3. Professionals who don't like their use.

The 3rd category uses PRO battles to their advantage and have been doing so successfully for many years.

The 1st and 2nd category of people are the one who just whine for no reason. Mostly the reason is because they lose to people who use supplies.

Now, believe it or not, using supplies is not a mindless job. It actually requires skill to do so properly. So if you see any player using supplies, he is not a noob, but skilled. For example, while using railgun, you can't just press 3 on spawning. You need to analyse whether using an armour is the better option. Then you need to time yourself. You have to use double power when you are sure you will get maximum advantage out of it. You don't want to ruin it by killing one person and then roaming for next 40 seconds.

So if you want to stop getting killed, learn to use supplies or go PRO.

 

 

So your argument is based upon you not having supplies, eh?? You want tanki to change supplies format because YOU don't own them. Let me tell you one thing, at your rank I already had 2k supplies of each. No, I have never bought a single supply or crystal. As I said before, I was smart enough not to waste a few supplies I had in my lower ranks. That 'few' soon reached 500 of each supply. Then came Star ladder season 1. I placed a bet on Noobest and won 500 supplies. After their doubling in Smart cooldowns, I had 2000. See... It was easy enough because I didn't keep them below 50 on lower ranks. So, if you want supplies, save smartly.

I still don't agree that all your games can be ruined by few supply users. Why is it that you never land up on their team?? You can stop this debates until you have better arguments.

Dude, if you really mean what you write, you don't have a clue about supplies.

Most of your "arguments" are not valid.

You use stereotype answers that only cover up the problem and that is not good for the game.

 

priyangshu and Brubook are right in what they say, and it's obvious for a long time now. Why Tanki does not respond is also obvious, but as long as this bold promoting of buyers is in effect, all the more players with a sence of justice will oppose.

[beaku 2,656]

Dude, if you really mean what you write, you don't have a clue about supplies.

Most of your "arguments" are not valid.

You use stereotype answers that only cover up the problem and that is not good for the game.

 

priyangshu and Brubook are right in what they say, and it's obvious for a long time now. Why Tanki does not respond is also obvious, but as long as this bold promoting of buyers is in effect, all the more players with a sence of justice will oppose.

Can you give me a justifiable argument on basis of which you say that?? You just keep taking argument round and round.

You: Drugs are causing problem. Remove them.

Answer: How are they a problem?

You: People use them. It's unfair.

Answe: They bought it. They will use it. If you want a solution, either buy them or avoid them by going PRO.

 

What is so ambiguous about that??

P.S. I don't mean You as individual, but all who complaint relentlessly.

[beaku 2,656]

Hazel, what do you think?

[Opex-Rah 5,410]

Here we go again.

 

Give them SCD and they will hate you.

Some of them will hate you for limiting their powers.

Some of them will hate you for not limiting others powers enough.

 

Hop on the hate train then, because supplies will stay as they are!

[deadtoyou 2,502]

Here we go again.

 

Give them SCD and they will hate you.

Some of them will hate you for limiting their powers.

Some of them will hate you for not limiting others powers enough.

 

Hop on the hate train then, because supplies will stay as they are!

Thank you...... :)

 

I hoped someone would come and slap them to their senses. :P

[Alidarklord 542]

Drug gives advantage to the game.isn't it ? 

you dont care? you hate drugging & druggers too? come on it's just for those people like you