Reduce power of garage supplies

[Brubook 1,161]

I once went to a  Monte carlo NS battle (7 flags) and it took exactly 1 hour for the first flag to get capped :P

Yes, true! Capping is not easy and that is exactly as it should be! I took even 2 hours for a flag. But is an interesting and enjoyable battle measured in flag capped? That would mean that a 60-2 result is just amazing, the best battle for the winner's life!

 

I don't think so! Difficulties stimulate thinking, strategy, tactics and maybe a bit of luck too ... if you cap it means your team worked great, if you loose it means you faced a good player. It is fun either way! A easy battle is boring, it is not fun for any of the 2 teams!

[8.V 594]

 

I haven't decided yet if your unpoliteness overcome your arrogance or the other way round ... but I forgot an element ... your lies.

Ah no ... when you say "you were doing nothing" it means "you didn't drug and press numbers as much as you can all the time"! So you are right!

 

You are the classical drugger: arrogant, offensive, feeling God, unbeatable, ordering others what to do, where to go, which weapon to use and whether anyone can stay or has to leave the battle!

 

If you have to say nothing but lies or offences, please do not reply!

 

Anyway I am happy you laugh ... you need it and you should do it more often, it could help! Keep reading this post, if that is the effect ... you will feel better.

 

The.wendeta you should steam off your frustrations in different ways, not just pressing numbers in an internet game and insulting enemies and team mates! I won't write them here, but if you ask around in your real life, you will find some answers.

 

Ahhh, you've nothing to say more ? okay that's ok I can understand to you ...

1. You were not doing anything means my dear noob that you were not doing anything, i did not say that ur poor in druggs 

 

That's all what you got ? not anymore, then I have nothing to say about it xD

 

laught ? pff please ! your posts are full of useless things, you are wriitng things which you even don't know ... you don't have experience of druggs, and idk why you are writing so many about them, because u want to became famous because of it ? pff useless 

 

One more useless advice, which i won't take of course, just it will be better fur u if u get enough experience, and then write that kind of pointless posts, because I saw some and they are just ...

[Brubook 1,161]

...

 

"That's all what you got ? not anymore, then I have nothing to say about it xD"

Good thing!

 

"your posts are full of useless things, you are wriitng things which you even don't know ... you don't have experience of druggs, and idk why you are writing so many about them, because u want to became famous because of it ? pff useless"

So I feel soo lucky to have such a "Godmode_ON" super skilled and extremely experienced player commenting here! A person that, despite his huge and infinite skills and experience, comes down the starladder to share his master and unique word with us human beings! The king of modesty here to God kiss us, light our keyboards up and make us grow!

What can I say .... THANK YOU MY LORD!

 

Of course my points need some brain work to be understood ... just some! But fortunately I saw that the majority of players did.

 

And yes ... this is my only way to be "famous" ... after I reach 20.000 readers I will apply for prime minister!

 

Ah, by the way ... is that pff of yours any asthma kind of problem? You should take care of yourself!

[Rohrmeister 1,535]

Then buy druggs, help team and don't be mult in the battle with your " Skills " 

When reason is my fault, it's okay, but this time, some noob made me lose because of his " skills " 

Thanks for this very valuable insight.

Tanki should really help a paying customer like you, and create battles for druggers only. There you can drug side by side with players that share your affinity to drug... while the non druggers will not interfere you. Like a battle format where you get kicked of you use less then xy drugs per 3 minutes.

Can we please have such a feature? The paying customers will for sure highly apriciate it, if they are not disturbed by non druggers.

[8.V 594]

 

 

"That's all what you got ? not anymore, then I have nothing to say about it xD"

Good thing!

 

"your posts are full of useless things, you are wriitng things which you even don't know ... you don't have experience of druggs, and idk why you are writing so many about them, because u want to became famous because of it ? pff useless"

So I feel soo lucky to have such a "Godmode_ON" super skilled and extremely experienced player commenting here! A person that, despite his huge and infinite skills and experience, comes down the starladder to share his master and unique word with us human beings! The king of modesty here to God kiss us, light our keyboards up and make us grow!

What can I say .... THANK YOU MY LORD!

 

Of course my points need some brain work to be understood ... just some! But fortunately I saw that the majority of players did.

 

And yes ... this is my only way to be "famous" ... after I reach 20.000 readers I will apply for prime minister!

 

Ah, by the way ... is that pff of yours any asthma kind of problem? You should take care of yourself!

 

Well, now I am sure that im talking with some child ...

 

sarcasm won't help you if u don't know it, but I saw something in your comments,you think only " starladder " players have great things ? You always mentioned starladder but do you know some deep things about it ? or just watching Videos and try to learn something from there ? that's your problem, but first of all what you need is to grow up, before it you can play in " newcomers " of course if someone will take you there 

 

Players did ? they just don't know how to play what to do, and they are thinking that you are saying some useful thing but you are not, once can u say when you registed in the game ? just curious in it, try to don't lie

 

Just take it as advice and " Shut up child " ^_^ 

[8.V 594]

Thanks for this very valuable insight.

Tanki should really help a paying customer like you, and create battles for druggers only. There you can drug side by side with players that share your affinity to drug... while the non druggers will not interfere you. Like a battle format where you get kicked of you use less then xy drugs per 3 minutes.

Can we please have such a feature? The paying customers will for sure highly apriciate it, if they are not disturbed by non druggers.

Yes, your kind of people always like his ideas, because don't have enough experience ...

 

first of all, I am not a buyer, then I can say that players are arranging servers as they want ? what do I mean ? 

 

for example RU 1 is always for XP/BP battles, it's like a tradition.

                  RU 2 is for NS battles, there are many of them ( and thi's is since 2-3-4 years like it, each old player knows it )

                  RU 4 is for Full druggs, but in the evening are creating that kind of battles. 

 

So players can change something too ! just think and don't write useless things, it's just pointless

[Rohrmeister 1,535]

RU 2 is for NS battles, there are many of them ( and thi's is since 2-3-4 years like it, each old player knows it )

^ I just checked that - it is true. Seven Battles without supplies.

I guess I should thank you.. although it feels a little strange due to your attitude you showed here.. but still, yes, thank you for the info.

 

Brubook, I'll update my advertisement poster tomorrow (the one that you linked in your startpost here).

[8.V 594]

^ I just checked that - it is true. Seven Battles without supplies.

I guess I should thank you.. although it feels a little strange due to your attitude you showed here.. but still, yes, thank you for the info.

 

Brubook, I'll update my advertisement poster tomorrow (the one that you linked in your startpost here).

You're welcome ^_^ I just showed ( will show ) everything what he deserves ))

[RustyNail 1,538]

Holy ****, we have some haters. Drugging isn't the problem that we are dealing with, while I am going to get some hate for this, skills can negate drugs that others have. While some people say that camping shafts with drugs are annoying, so is a freeze or fire running around. So is the good rail who can make good shots, the skilled rico who can bounce their shots! You can play with durggers, are they annoying? yes, but can you overcome it, yes. How many times have you used a turbo or a repair kit to cap a flag, a mine to protect yourself or get the guy behind you? a lot of times. Why, because they are effective. But many times, even with full drugs, you will get killed, a team of players shooting at you will still kill you. You might live those couple extra shots, maybe take a few down with you, but the end is the same. Drugging rails are easily bearable throw of their shot, dodge their shot, hide behind a wall. You are also forgetting the other important part, YOU CAN DRUG TOO. 

Drugs are not the only strategy, a good team is better than a **** load of drugs. a good isida is better than a heal, and a MUed hull will far better than an armor, as they only last a short period of time. You are also forgetting pick ups that you take to make yourself stronger. Pickups are another integral part of the game, making it even. 

I will admit that drugs can be annoying, but they are not the single part of the game. Are drugs expensive, yes, but you don't need a lot to get through. I always have around a hundred of each, over 300 damages that i probably won't ever use. The only drugs I have bought is, at most, 600 for 4 heals, which last me a while, till my next bonus. I used to hate on drugs and call them nubs, I would have thought a Commander such as you Bubrook should know that the game is well balanced, and that supplies are an integral part of the game, and without them, the game would lose its fun, goldboxes would be a pain(you can tell I'm a lt. by that, wanting golds, lol) and capping flags would be almost impossible without supplies, unless the opposing team is nub filled. And honestly, Tanki needs to support itself, and buyers need to have an advantage, so give em kits and drugs. Without drugs, who knows if tanki will still be around?

In conclusion, drugs are important, even if they are annoying, and skills can make drugs a lot less devastating than if you were a nub.

 

Feel free to hate, I won't care, bigtimerush_bry, out

Wow, I can see you didn't bother to read before comment, not even the sum up we made. So, in one phrace, your comment is rather irrelevant and making no sense. Why? Read the sum up and you 'll understand.

(that's the reason I downvoted you. No hate, no negative feeling. But it took a lot of effort, time and care for us to come with this topic. Respect it please)

[NewbieCake 3,067]

Holy ****, we have some haters. Drugging isn't the problem that we are dealing with, while I am going to get some hate for this, skills can negate drugs that others have. While some people say that camping shafts with drugs are annoying, so is a freeze or fire running around. So is the good rail who can make good shots, the skilled rico who can bounce their shots! You can play with durggers, are they annoying? yes, but can you overcome it, yes. How many times have you used a turbo or a repair kit to cap a flag, a mine to protect yourself or get the guy behind you? a lot of times. Why, because they are effective. But many times, even with full drugs, you will get killed, a team of players shooting at you will still kill you. You might live those couple extra shots, maybe take a few down with you, but the end is the same. Drugging rails are easily bearable throw of their shot, dodge their shot, hide behind a wall. You are also forgetting the other important part, YOU CAN DRUG TOO. 

Drugs are not the only strategy, a good team is better than a **** load of drugs. a good isida is better than a heal, and a MUed hull will far better than an armor, as they only last a short period of time. You are also forgetting pick ups that you take to make yourself stronger. Pickups are another integral part of the game, making it even. 

I will admit that drugs can be annoying, but they are not the single part of the game. Are drugs expensive, yes, but you don't need a lot to get through. I always have around a hundred of each, over 300 damages that i probably won't ever use. The only drugs I have bought is, at most, 600 for 4 heals, which last me a while, till my next bonus. I used to hate on drugs and call them nubs, I would have thought a Commander such as you Bubrook should know that the game is well balanced, and that supplies are an integral part of the game, and without them, the game would lose its fun, goldboxes would be a pain(you can tell I'm a lt. by that, wanting golds, lol) and capping flags would be almost impossible without supplies, unless the opposing team is nub filled. And honestly, Tanki needs to support itself, and buyers need to have an advantage, so give em kits and drugs. Without drugs, who knows if tanki will still be around?

In conclusion, drugs are important, even if they are annoying, and skills can make drugs a lot less devastating than if you were a nub.

 

Feel free to hate, I won't care, bigtimerush_bry, out

Your post  is ignorant.

[racer22_online 206]

The.wendeta is confirming my belief that we have 2 main types of player in Tanki.

and it's important that the The.wendeta has been able to make his point of view.

 

The 2 types:

Type1: Some players wish to be all powerful and use the equivalent of M7 equipment - and in doing so they wish that all other players they battle with also have M7 equipment (and I imagine a subset of them always want to be more powerful than all the others).

Type2: The other main type are those that do not 'need' to have M7 equipment and do not want to be pressing keys 1 to 4 in order to get it.  I.e. they just want reasonably balanced battles at their rank.

 

I believe the majority of type 1 and type 2 are in agreement - they all (mostly) want to see Good Games ('gg') win or lose.

and don't get me wrong - I still have many 'gg' in all my accounts up to my top tank (I can only imagine it gets tougher at higher ranks from what people have been saying).

 

And it's also true that both type 1 and type 2 players see many imbalanced battles - that are NOT 'gg'.

Hence, we all want to find ways to improve the balance.

and we know Tanki has put huge effort into balancing all the numbers.

 

We cannot choose who joins each side for 'team' battles - hence, we know this will cause imbalance from time to time (and I wish it was only this we were trying to help fix (e.g. by using the forthcoming player stats).

 

We could play DM all day and avoid the 'team balance' issues - but DM is not as interesting as the Team games.  'Team' is about 'synergy' - e.g. 2 working well together is better than 2 individuals.

I get more of a kick from seeing a team work well together than from my own individual performance.

 

What this thread has attempted to highlight is the big variable caused by the over use of garage drugs - buttons 1 to 4.

Some players can afford to use more drugs than the others who cannot afford them.  This is often seen to cause a massive imbalance even by just two 'druggers' on one side.

Even those that can afford as many drugs as they like (e.g. me) do not use them because I don't like blowing someone away at the push of a button - no sport in that.  (Sadly I spend nothing on Tanki - even though I would like to! I will not by anythng performance enhancing - that's cheating in my book).  (Except for my son aged 12 (who now plays Chivalry and Clash of Clans!)

 

 

 

When someone says we should all go full drug - this also does not work well either - i.e. we use massive amounts of drugs and we still get imbalance!

The reason is that one side is better at using the drugs than the other and so the battle ends up MORE 'one-sided' and no fun for either side! (except for 1 or 2 masochists and sadists!)

To me, that was the whole value of the 'unlimited drugs day', I and a few teammates were able to sit in the enemy camp 'waiting to grab' the next flag - and while doing so kill every spawning tank!  I.e. no contest - most battles on that day became 'white washes' - no good for either side, win or lose.

 

Hence, my plea to Tanki that the players be allowed to choose the type of battle we want.

This way Type1 can choose to keep away from Type2 and vice versa.

Let's call them 'Arcade Mode' and 'Sports Mode'.

'Sports Mode' simply has an option on Map setup to allow reduced use of garage drugs.

As I keep repeating - this forum will happily guide Tanki on the best way to reduce the use of garage drugs to suit the type2's (AKA 'sports mode').

 

I also believe that the vast majority of Tankers are type2's and more type2's will come back to the game if TO can accommodate this mode.

Once done, I'll be able to recommend the game to my friends.  (Tanki is such a good game - I want it fixed.)

[LeIouch_Vi_Britannia 6,163]

^

We dont even have an official M4, where did M7 come from :wacko:

[Rohrmeister 1,535]

It's M3.5 multiplied by 2 because of drugs :p

[r_priyangshu0 270]

Otherwise it would be M8.

[r_priyangshu0 270]

I don't know why I am still reading answering you but let's see ...

 

You can't learn how to respect others, but I know that I don't need to respect people just like you, who are acting like child and bla bla bla 

 

 

So misunderstood things are there too, Drugg player as NS player are same, you don't know you are child, but when you grow up you " may " learn and guess something but for now, you are someone who is just talking and doing nothing, or you are doing? yes multing, that's right. One more thing, you are not playing as many NS battles as me, neither pro battles and full druggs one.

 

So check old history, for example clan's one, there will be many unknown things for you, you are playing 1-2 years, and you are " AWESOME " ?  nope, sorry, you are just one simple player who is ruining others' battles because of his " OPINIONS "

 

 

           But I don't get why im wasting so much time with you.

                                  Ahh I got why 

                       Because you always in TOP 3 players per battle.

                                  That's good, awesome, you are N1, try to achieve TOP 2 till the end of the year :lol:  :lol:

 

 

 

None, I repeat NONE of your comments make any sense, apart from derailing the topic from the polite conversation we were having.

 

(You are just one simple player who is ruining others' battles because of your " OPINIONS ")   

 

Redirected back at you.

 

You were the one who came to our topic, posted without reading, started flaming and calling us children. LOL, so you don't even respect children huh? YOU, are the one who doesn't deserve to be respected, but we did respect you, but you spat that respect on the floor and started flaming. Stop misleading people who actually want to read comments here.

 

Shows what kind of a character you have there.

[K43_8mm 2]

Frankly the drug haters are the ones who bought everything! The best paint,The most armored,fastest,hull, the one **** kill weapon,and calls that skill. Yeah then the noobs have to drug to have the slightest chance.

 with the unbalanced teams like 8 vs 2 one has no choice but leave and of course anything one might have earned is lost. I use to quit a higher populated side to join the lesser just to be fair but the other side just grew.

 I think to be fair a battle should not take over +1 to any side. drug if you must the only decider of the game is what one can afford to buy no skill needed.

   I have a Skill Saw :rolleyes:

[K43_8mm 2]

Frankly the drug haters are the ones who bought everything! The best paint,The most armored,fastest,hull, the one **** kill weapon,and calls that skill. Yeah then the noobs have to drug to have the slightest chance.

 with the unbalanced teams like 8 vs 2 one has no choice but leave and of course anything one might have earned is lost. I use to quit a higher populated side to join the lesser just to be fair but the other side just grew.

 I think to be fair a battle should not take over +1 to any side. drug if you must the only decider of the game is what one can afford to buy no skill needed.

   I have a Skill Saw :rolleyes:

 **** kill weapon, one s h o t ?

[K43_8mm 2]

None, I repeat NONE of your comments make any sense, apart from derailing the topic from the polite conversation we were having.

 

(You are just one simple player who is ruining others' battles because of your " OPINIONS ")   

 

Redirected back at you.

 

You were the one who came to our topic, posted without reading, started flaming and calling us children. LOL, so you don't even respect children huh? YOU, are the one who doesn't deserve to be respected, but we did respect you, but you spat that respect on the floor and started flaming. Stop misleading people who actually want to read comments here.

 

Shows what kind of a character you have there.

Yeah I agree besides all that Respect? Respect: I didnt respect my farther enough. I do not respect anyone else on Earth.

 I may be considerate of others but no way your getting my Respect.

[Brubook 1,161]

Frankly the drug haters are the ones who bought everything! The best paint,The most armored,fastest,hull, the one **** kill weapon,and calls that skill. Yeah then the noobs have to drug to have the slightest chance.

 with the unbalanced teams like 8 vs 2 one has no choice but leave and of course anything one might have earned is lost. I use to quit a higher populated side to join the lesser just to be fair but the other side just grew.

 I think to be fair a battle should not take over +1 to any side. drug if you must the only decider of the game is what one can afford to buy no skill needed.

   I have a Skill Saw :rolleyes:

If you make some calculations, you will see that a non buyer in a career (up to 1.4M XP) cannot afford more than 1 hull and 1-2 turret maybe half MUed, together with 2-3 paints (again just very partially MUed). Calculation made considering everything in sale, where to M4 an item costs more that 0.5M crystals.

So a non buyer cannot afford drugs kits or 3-4 MUed hulls and 3-4 MUed turrets, not talking about paints.

Thing is different for a generalissimo, as he may have 3-4M XP and the relative crystals earned in battle.

 

Instead if you meant that the drug haters are the first buyers ... well, that is different. It may be, even if it would be quite incoherent!

[Brubook 1,161]

Yeah I agree besides all that Respect? Respect: I didnt respect my farther enough. I do not respect anyone else on Earth.

 I may be considerate of others but no way your getting my Respect.

???? Could you explain please?

[K43_8mm 2]

???? Could you explain please?

 I thought it was self explained! RESPECT! for what? Respect is what your Mother and /or Farther would expect.

 Respect is what an Officer in the military would want from his men(not meaning he would get it).

 Respect is something not to be taken lightly and I cant think of anyone I respect.

   I was considerate of your question and replied but doesn't have anything to do with respect.

[K43_8mm 2]

 

If you make some calculations, you will see that a non buyer in a career (up to 1.4M XP) cannot afford more than 1 hull and 1-2 turret maybe half MUed, together with 2-3 paints (again just very partially MUed). Calculation made considering everything in sale, where to M4 an item costs more that 0.5M crystals.

So a non buyer cannot afford drugs kits or 3-4 MUed hulls and 3-4 MUed turrets, not talking about paints.

Thing is different for a generalissimo, as he may have 3-4M XP and the relative crystals earned in battle.

 

Instead if you meant that the drug haters are the first buyers ... well, that is different. It may be, even if it would be quite incoherent!

 

  I dont know! Should I choose I could buy the limit of what is offered. So being retired and the only thing taking my money is a hobby=Flying RC 1/5 scale aircraft. so what do you mean by cannot afford? the rank I have was struggled for but means absolutely nothing to a rank 4 times lower just blows me away! The red star,the diamond ranks no problem I am nothing. So drugs are nothing compared to weapons, I can pick up or be rewarded and have full drugs but still blowed away with one shot from a lower rank.

[Brubook 1,161]

 I thought it was self explained! RESPECT! for what? Respect is what your Mother and /or Farther would expect.

 Respect is what an Officer in the military would want from his men(not meaning he would get it).

 Respect is something not to be taken lightly and I cant think of anyone I respect.

   I was considerate of your question and replied but doesn't have anything to do with respect.

I see. Of course I don't mean that "level" of respect. Yet common respect is due to anyone, if not offending you or doing someting bad to you. Respect is due to any human being (or player in this case) and respect has to be asked from anyone in the same way.

Of course I mean "commor respect" or even politeness!

[Brubook 1,161]

  I dont know! Should I choose I could buy the limit of what is offered. So being retired and the only thing taking my money is a hobby=Flying RC 1/5 scale aircraft. so what do you mean by cannot afford? the rank I have was struggled for but means absolutely nothing to a rank 4 times lower just blows me away! The red star,the diamond ranks no problem I am nothing. So drugs are nothing compared to weapons, I can pick up or be rewarded and have full drugs but still blowed away with one shot from a lower rank.

Wow ... nice hobby!! Uhm ... 1/5 scale? It is huge! I have no experience on that at all, but are we talking about more than 2 meters wing? Correct?

 

By "cannot affort" I mean that you haven't enough crystal to get the item, if you don't spend real money to buy crystals.

 

What I disagree with you is that drugs are nothing compared with weapons. It could be if you compare a M0 with a M3, but usually you have maximum one "M" difference (M1-M2 or M2-M3). In this case a drugged M2 is quite more powerful than a non drugged M3.

[8.V 594]

None, I repeat NONE of your comments make any sense, apart from derailing the topic from the polite conversation we were having.

 

(You are just one simple player who is ruining others' battles because of your " OPINIONS ")   

 

Redirected back at you.

 

You were the one who came to our topic, posted without reading, started flaming and calling us children. LOL, so you don't even respect children huh? YOU, are the one who doesn't deserve to be respected, but we did respect you, but you spat that respect on the floor and started flaming. Stop misleading people who actually want to read comments here.

 

Shows what kind of a character you have there.

Why you took this words about you ? o.O I was talking with him, but if you took those words about you,  it's all on you ^_^