Do we really need the Olympic Games?

[I.WalkAlone 548]

See, that's the problem of the people of this world. It is a small world, and people have to support each others, but they all care about their own benefits.

Yeah, that's human tendency. Not really possible to overcome this unless the human race evolves to become a more morally competent race.

[BlitzPanzer12345 241]

Watz the matter with u people ??

we r NOT talking about communism

we r talking about the Olympic games money

u r going to get thiz nice topic clozed

[SmexyGiraffe 584]

Pardon me

But with the amount of fighting going on

i think there is s possibility that thiz topic will be closed

Its not fighting, but this topic will be closed .-.

Edited March 6, 2015 by SmexyGiraffe

[Nltobh 498]

THB the countries dont care about homeless people they can care less about our opinion :L sadly they are in it for the money and the fame for their country they dont care if their whole country is dirt poor they would go in dept just to look good in-front of other countries 

Edited March 6, 2015 by Nltobh

[X-x-A-x-X 144]

You want to homelessness fixed? But done with whose money?

 

Why can't you use all your money to fix it?

 

 

Where will you get resources to build houses?

Or space to build one?

 

Once they have a house, what then?

 

They don't have jobs, can't get anything because they have no money, so ooh shall the government pay for there food, water clothes

 

Why get a job when the government will give you everything!

 

Here in the UK we have problem with people not working being given a free home and money and now young people can't get a house because they are all full, and the governments broke because all the money's spend looking after people, money which is taken from hard working tax payers, the national health service is at breaking point why? Because the government is working with jorkusus's idea why have fancy nice things and better public services when you can give poor people free stuff, it creates laziness and scroungers some people earn £20,000 a year doing NOTHING, living in a house paid by the government whilst people who have a job don't have time to enjoy themselves.

 

 

You don't have a job yet just wait till you lose 20% of your salary to tax, 50% to bills, 20% to food and expenses and 10% for you to spend as you like if that

[joostcool 5,942]

Nice example. But, communism is different than you think. In communism, if you are working harder than your co-workers, you can get your salary increased. Communism doesn't mean everybody should get exactly the same amount of money, it just means someone can't be wealthier than someone else. Also, in Soviet times, people who don't work well used to lose their jobs, so people had to work hard.

But, I have my own ideology. How about a world where everybody works and they all are rich? For example, a teacher who works hard gets $ 5000 a month.

Anddd... this is exactly what happens in our current (capitalist) society. If you work hard, for example by studying, getting many many degrees and do some high-educated job, you receive more money than someone who is too lazy to study.

 

This is too complicated. Why don't we remove the money itself? My suggestion is to work to live. For example, if you are working, you should be given a special card that you can buy everything you want (but with limited amount). For example, if I am a single doctor, I should be able to get 1 kilo of bread (for example) a week, and not more. If I am married, and have children, I should be permitted to get more, according to how many children I have. Same with other food, etc. But, what I get using the card should be recorded, so that, I can't get too much; there should be a limitation.

Nowadays we call that 'A banknote'.

So then the lazy guy steps in and does nothing at all, has no children, no job etc. What is he gonna get? Nothing? That means we've got 1 new homeless guy. Communism is not the answer to our problem, neither is removing money. Disabled people would have no life still then.

 

Watz the matter with u people ??

we r NOT talking about communism

we r talking about the Olympic games money

u r going to get thiz nice topic clozed

Don't worry, as long as this discussion stays serious and friendly nothing is gonna happen, otherwise we simply edit the title and add '+Communism-capitalism discussion'.

[BlitzPanzer12345 241]

 

Nowadays we call that 'A banknote'.

Better name : Credit Card or Debt Card

[BlitzPanzer12345 241]

so if people r talking about communism or any other kind of topic

then this topic will not be closed according to joostcool

 

Awesome !

Count me in !

[joostcool 5,942]

I don't see why it should be. As long as you have a friendly nice discussion about an appropriate subject, I don't see why it should be closed. Would be sad if that happens.

[BlitzPanzer12345 241]

I don't see why it should be. As long as you have a friendly nice discussion about an appropriate subject, I don't see why it should be closed. Would be sad if that happens.

thought politics discussion was banned

:P

[beaku 2,656]

thought politics discussion was banned

:P

Discussion of political propaganda and parties is not allowed. However, here discussion is taking place on political systems, so technically, it is allowed.

[GG_reg 1,521]

I'm not an fan of the Olympics but it is good to see countries interacting etc. The cost is ridiculous though. The amount of money they spend just for the stadium costs so much. Then you see adverts on the telly regarding world issues and all that money could greatly help the needy. It does annoy me.

[jokersus.cava 1,503]

=

 

You want to homelessness fixed? But done with whose money?

Why can't you use all your money to fix it?


Where will you get resources to build houses?
Or space to build one?

Once they have a house, what then?

They don't have jobs, can't get anything because they have no money, so ooh shall the government pay for there food, water clothes

Why get a job when the government will give you everything!

Here in the UK we have problem with people not working being given a free home and money and now young people can't get a house because they are all full, and the governments broke because all the money's spend looking after people, money which is taken from hard working tax payers, the national health service is at breaking point why? Because the government is working with jorkusus's idea why have fancy nice things and better public services when you can give poor people free stuff, it creates laziness and scroungers some people earn £20,000 a year doing NOTHING, living in a house paid by the government whilst people who have a job don't have time to enjoy themselves.


You don't have a job yet just wait till you lose 20% of your salary to tax, 50% to bills, 20% to food and expenses and 10% for you to spend as you like if that

I don't have money, I don't even work. But if I were rich, I would surely help them.

Use your brain, government could build small places for homeless people to live and then, give them jobs, so they would earn their money themselves. At least, government can give them loans and take the money back after they start working and live normally. So, homeless people would turn to normal working citizens.

Anddd... this is exactly what happens in our current (capitalist) society. If you work hard, for example by studying, getting many many degrees and do some high-educated job, you receive more money than someone who is too lazy to study.

 

Nowadays we call that 'A banknote'.

So then the lazy guy steps in and does nothing at all, has no children, no job etc. What is he gonna get? Nothing? That means we've got 1 new homeless guy. Communism is not the answer to our problem, neither is removing money. Disabled people would have no life still then.

 

Don't worry, as long as this discussion stays serious and friendly nothing is gonna happen, otherwise we simply edit the title and add '+Communism-capitalism discussion'.

But, my system is a bit different. Money make people crazy, and people are free to spend their money on whatever they want. That, I think, is a huge problem, because some people can't spend their money organized, and it ends up having no money until they get their next monthly salary. But, in my system, people don't see money, they just get what they want, but limited. For example, you are not allowed to too much bread, if you don't need more. Another side is that, you don't have to save money for some things, for example, traveling. In my system, if you are on vacation, and want to travel somewhere, you are free to travel, without paying a single cent. But, you are not allowed to use this ability badly, and travel the whole world in a week, just because it's free, for example. I think, it's better if people not to see money and what they buy is limited by the government.

 

 

Better name : Credit Card or Debt Card

It's different than the credit card, because you can use your credit card on anything you want, but not with the special card, I mentioned.

 

I'm not an fan of the Olympics but it is good to see countries interacting etc. The cost is ridiculous though. The amount of money they spend just for the stadium costs so much. Then you see adverts on the telly regarding world issues and all that money could greatly help the needy. It does annoy me.

:wub:

[I.WalkAlone 548]

But, my system is a bit different. Money make people crazy, and people are free to spend their money on whatever they want. That, I think, is a huge problem, because some people can't spend their money organized, and it ends up having no money until they get their next monthly salary. But, in my system, people don't see money, they just get what they want, but limited. For example, you are not allowed to too much bread, if you don't need more. Another side is that, you don't have to save money for some things, for example, traveling. In my system, if you are on vacation, and want to travel somewhere, you are free to travel, without paying a single cent. But, you are not allowed to use this ability badly, and travel the whole world in a week, just because it's free, for example. I think, it's better if people not to see money and what they buy is limited by the government.

 

 

It's different than the credit card, because you can use your credit card on anything you want, but not with the special card, I mentioned.

 

But is restricting the population a good thing? Think about it. All the joy and happiness will be sucked out of the world. Restriction can also cause feelings of resentment. Also, not allowing people to do what they want to do goes against democratic principles. I agree that some restriction is necessary, but too much of it is very harmful to the society. This would restrict the people on the core parts of their lives. As an example, how would you feel if someone forced you to only eat sandwiches every day or stop you from playing tanki? Wouldn't feel nice, right? And in the end, people work for happiness. If there is no happiness, then what's the point of life?

[jokersus.cava 1,503]

But is restricting the population a good thing? Think about it. All the joy and happiness will be sucked out of the world. Restriction can also cause feelings of resentment. Also, not allowing people to do what they want to do goes against democratic principles. I agree that some restriction is necessary, but too much of it is very harmful to the society. This would restrict the people on the core parts of their lives. As an example, how would you feel if someone forced you to only eat sandwiches every day or stop you from playing tanki? Wouldn't feel nice, right? And in the end, people work for happiness. If there is no happiness, then what's the point of life?

I never said people would be obliged to do something. They will still be able to do anything, but not too much.

[I.WalkAlone 548]

I never said people would be obliged to do something. They will still be able to do anything, but not too much.

You did mention that they'll only be able to buy certain stuff in certain amounts with the card. That is a lot of restriction.

[shadewarttt 3,350]

I just had to use this.

[jokersus.cava 1,503]

You did mention that they'll only be able to buy certain stuff in certain amounts with the card. That is a lot of restriction.

Not certain stuff, but with certain amount.

[shadewarttt 3,350]

=

 

I don't have money, I don't even work. But if I were rich, I would surely help them.

Use your brain, government could build small places for homeless people to live and then, give them jobs, so they would earn their money themselves. At least, government can give them loans and take the money back after they start working and live normally. So, homeless people would turn to normal working citizens.

But, my system is a bit different. Money make people crazy, and people are free to spend their money on whatever they want. That, I think, is a huge problem, because some people can't spend their money organized, and it ends up having no money until they get their next monthly salary. But, in my system, people don't see money, they just get what they want, but limited. For example, you are not allowed to too much bread, if you don't need more. Another side is that, you don't have to save money for some things, for example, traveling. In my system, if you are on vacation, and want to travel somewhere, you are free to travel, without paying a single cent. But, you are not allowed to use this ability badly, and travel the whole world in a week, just because it's free, for example. I think, it's better if people not to see money and what they buy is limited by the government.

 

 

It's different than the credit card, because you can use your credit card on anything you want, but not with the special card, I mentioned.

 

:wub:

Doesn't that seem unfair to people with actual qualifications for the job?

[jokersus.cava 1,503]

Doesn't that seem unfair to people with actual qualifications for the job?

Educated people can surely get better jobs than homeless people, but homeless people should be given temporary jobs that doesn't require any education and are not very good. Also, government should educate them and so that, they can get better jobs, and serve the country better.

[shadewarttt 3,350]

Educated people can surely get better jobs than homeless people, but homeless people should be given temporary jobs that doesn't require any education and are not very good. Also, government should educate them and so that, they can get better jobs, and serve the country better.

Hmm, you finally came up with a valid point. 

[shadewarttt 3,350]

Your idea is good but there is no way to ensure efficient use of these services by the homeless. 

[jokersus.cava 1,503]

Your idea is good but there is no way to ensure efficient use of these services by the homeless. 

Well, at least we can try. If they refuse this offer, that's their decision, and we can't do anything, can we?

[shadewarttt 3,350]

Well, at least we can try. If they refuse this offer, that's their decision, and we can't do anything, can we?

Well, after all it's our money they're "eating up" and we don't want our taxes to go down the drains. Maybe the gov should do surveys on this matter if this is actually economical. 

[jokersus.cava 1,503]

Well, after all it's our money they're "eating up" and we don't want our taxes to go down the drains. Maybe the gov should do surveys on this matter if this is actually economical. 

You didn't get me right, I meant if they refuse our job offer, we won't give them homes, so they'll have to work. That's my point - everybody has to work if he/she is able to, not matter what. Some rich people's children are just lazy and don't work, thinking their fathers will give them what they want - that's what annoys me most.