Fun, lost in Tanki...

[swede1 1,726]

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

Give more and more need for players to buy more and more through updates that make players poorer and poorer, but sour water will always be sour water no matter what it is served in.

What goes around, comes around.

Provide generosity, appreciation , and acknowledgement, recieve loyalty, respect, and good fortune.

Edited March 13, 2015 by swede1

[swede1 1,726]

I am not talking about a consious decision (now I will play for fun, or now I will play for crystals) but a mood that slowly possesed me. In theory, I always go for the fun, but I find myself worried for the crystals. It's a poluted state of mind. :unsure:

You missed a a poll, I WAS a buyer! but I will just take the fun I can get now.

Edited March 13, 2015 by swede1

[Yisroel.Rabin 16,224]

At certain times, Tanki can get 100% boring. But other times I feel good playing. Some bad times it's only because I lag to hard or/and I can't find a good battle. But yes most of the times it's bad is because it's boring being a higher rank and buying 1 M3 would bank rob me. That's why I go on my alt a lot these days.

Edited March 14, 2015 by Yisroel.Rabin

[fluctuation123 3,435]

I loved playing duels with my m1 rail or ctfs. But i know to have xp and crys, i have to play poly or arena cp. And they are excruciatingly boring after some time.

[Destroyer8-k 9]

I agree with what RustyNail said.I'am somewhat of low level but I have felt bad because now is the introduction of M1 to our ranks.Twins m1(My favourite gun) costs 35000 crystals! And hornet M1 costs 25000 crystals,both being available at warrant officer 4 and 2 respectively.Many warrant officers have M1s because they have given money and bought crystals.At this level,I can battle against warrant officers and I can see it very well.

 

Also,supplies(most commonly known as drugs) are being overused like hell.Especially by crystal buyers.See,in my opponent team,there is a Shaft-Mammoth user.When I get close to destroy them,they just use double protection supply and easily kill me.Its ok if they get it by collecting it over the map.I could see many Smoky-wasps always having Double protection AND Double damage.With these,they get by the end of the match around 35 kills and 2-5 deaths(In a 15 minute match).This is too unfair.If you use double damage to a M0 railgun(around 45-74),It instantly becomes an M0 railgun with M3 damage.One way to reduce this is to  increase the cooldown for the drugs.

 

The crystal scarcity and drugger problem combined makes Tanki Online a worse game than it ever was.Although the battles are very fun,the fun will not be there if you ALWAYS lose.To win you need high upgrades and supplies.

[CrimsonSaviour 40]

I think and always have, that reaching the top changes the focal point of playing.

By top I mean not the generalissimo uprank but the point where one has aquired all the items one really wants and need no other.

Then, one can spend probably all their daily bonus plus the crystals earned in supplies, that's why I excuse top ranks from calling them druggers. Drug wars are IMO absolutely normal for generalissimos.

 

So, when all needs are met, then it's only about fun, I guess.

But the last third (if not the last half) of rank ladder is difficult in the concept of loss of joy.

While drug wars are absolutely fun for people with deep pockets, it cause headaches for the rest of us, and fun would have been lost easily and be cannon fodder... -_- Getting blasted by enemy every few minutes with DP... For me, true fun is playing in Pro Battle without supplies, and just winning. Absolute Zero's words are correct.

 

But perhaps, promoting of non-drugging battles would increase player's interest?

 

At certain times, Tanki can get 100% boring. But other times I feel good playing. Some bad times it's only because I lag to hard or/and I can't find a good battle. But yes most of the times it's bad is because it's boring being a higher rank and buying 1 M3 would bank rob me. That's why I go on my alt a lot these days.

Then when your alt reaches a higher rank, you would have the same old problems again... and cycle repeats.

 

 

I agree with what RustyNail said.I'am somewhat of low level but I have felt bad because now is the introduction of M1 to our ranks.Twins m1(My favourite gun) costs 35000 crystals! And hornet M1 costs 25000 crystals,both being available at warrant officer 4 and 2 respectively.Many warrant officers have M1s because they have given money and bought crystals.At this level,I can battle against warrant officers and I can see it very well.

 

Also,supplies(most commonly known as drugs) are being overused like hell.Especially by crystal buyers.See,in my opponent team,there is a Shaft-Mammoth user.When I get close to destroy them,they just use double protection supply and easily kill me.Its ok if they get it by collecting it over the map.I could see many Smoky-wasps always having Double protection AND Double damage.With these,they get by the end of the match around 35 kills and 2-5 deaths(In a 15 minute match).This is too unfair.If you use double damage to a M0 railgun(around 45-74),It instantly becomes an M0 railgun with M3 damage.One way to reduce this is to  increase the cooldown for the drugs.

 

The crystal scarcity and drugger problem combined makes Tanki Online a worse game than it ever was.Although the battles are very fun,the fun will not be there if you ALWAYS lose.To win you need high upgrades and supplies.

 

Very true. With such a bad economy, things get hard.....But Warrant Officer stage isn't that bad. Wait till you go higher.

Edited March 14, 2015 by CrimsonSaviour

[saad455 70]

fun get over when you reach the last rank

[RustyNail 1,538]

fun get over when you reach the last rank

why do you say that, have you another account of generalissimo or you just think so?

[swede1 1,726]

I used to buy almost every month, 100k in crystals, sometimes more, playing in team battles and then in clans,

It was fun building the garage and taking the new equipment into battles against other clans, our clan always needed a diverse compliment of equipment and paints to compete, in the beginning all turrets and hulls were fair game in wars, then limits were imposed to make gameplay faster.

every clan member wanted to have a full garage with enough good paints to go one on one with any tanker.

then came balancing of hulls and turrets, my mammoth got nerfed to the point that I haven't used it since that day, 3 months of purchases for that one, I got smoky only 2 days before they killed that one, played day and night for 3 weeks straight to get that one and got to use it once, I still use smoky a bit, but it hurt at the time. Freeze is another one, I really didn't like freeze, but after a while seeing how powerful it was I finally broke down and got that too, only to have it nerfed as well, after all of these updates I still was willing to keep going, then Starladder and the end of clans as we knew it ended, now the pros just use rail and almost any good battle is for railers only, and I think why did I get all this equipment.

Now another flurry of updates that make my previous decisions obsolete again, hammer and Vulcan, and paints as far as the eye can see. Then the lie, not a single existing paint to protect from Vulcan.That made me furious, to top it off a handful of extreme buyers now own the game for high ranks, it will take a yr for a non buyer to get enough protection for this update, and for average buyers like myself 3 to 6 months to once again be back on a level playing field, sort of, MUs were already out of reach for me, and I was just about to get into that buying period, but with the onslaught of nerfing updates and redirection of the game created solely to make players previous goals obsolete in order to make me pay more and more for what I already enjoyed has made me lose confidence in pursuing any further investment into the game.

The game used to be a challenge, now its just fun at best. 

When I started this game I embraced the challenge and envisioned the top rank of generalissimo to be the start of fantastic wars and daily battles with the strongest players in the game with a strong vibrant clan at my back and the dream is just that, a dream :(

[r_priyangshu0 270]

^ True, crystals are now more important than fun in Tanki. :(

[beaku 2,656]

That is why I made my pace Damn Slow. ;)

Better to stick around in lower ranks where there is not much of competition.

[r_DidYouKnowThat0 1,662]

@beaku: Not really. I find it better to play at my "DidYouKnowThat" account's rank. There is much more teamwork involved, people are more skilled, and you aren't surrounded by (sorry) stupid, idiotic tanks. I have a lower ranked account, WO2, and this higher ranked account.

 

Like seriously, those low ranks get me annoyed sometimes. They pass by enemy flag without caring, can't turn their turrets, etc. etc.

So it's usually me always 1st on the scoreboard keeping the team going. . ..

Or if I meet someone who, like me, has also started a new account.

 

But the thing that MOSTLY annoys me if the druggers. They are the absolute WORST in the lower ranks. You simply can't fight back when you've no tanks, and only M0 and seldom M1 equipment. It's always the same routine for them, Nitro/DA, DP, health kit, capture flag, repeat, etc. etc.

 

Sometimes I have to think if the Devs even play their own game, sorry. But if that's what you call balanced, then ouch. :(

I mean, yes, Power-ups/Supplies are supposed to give you an edge, but not THAT big of an edge. :angry:

 

Skill plays a part in gameplay, so the rebuttal of "use skills, hurr durr" can be used for many, but I think people can agree that skills can only bring you so far. Skills can't help you kill something that has x2 stats than you, and a health kit that restores their health OVER 100% with the after-heal. When it's way too strong, you're just going to get smothered. And that was only from ONE drugged tank. Go figure.

 

So currently I'm just trying to get my WO2 account to rank as fast as possible. Playing at the "bottom of the barrel" ain't fun when you have those disgusting druggers roaming around, -

 

and when HALF of your team is AFK. Yes, literally half of your team is just standing there, and 2-3 of your teammates and you are the only ones defending your flag against 5-6, or 7 tanks.

 

Which makes me even more worried how they're going to extend the pause, even letting you leave the battle.

 

If you're going to add that, then can't you add a ./KICK button BEFORE you do that? It's like you're asking people to exploit that!

Or get more moderators, to get the ./vote button to actually work.

Edited March 15, 2015 by r_DidYouKnowThat0

[CrimsonSaviour 40]

Higher ranks = druggers + takeover + m3+ equipment+ more coordination.

 

Lower ranks = low skills + drugs.

 

All the same, high or low.

[beaku 2,656]

@DidYouKnowThat, I don't face any such problems while playing at my own ranks. I don't pay much attention to druggers since I can always drug myself by making effective use of my garage supplies and drop boxes. I agree that sometimes, my team doesn't /can't coordinate and I have to do a one man job using over 100-200 supplies per battle. I also realise that such heavy drugging cannot be supported by everyone's garage, which is why they need to reach higher ranks to be able to play PRO battles. But, as long as my garage supports me, I am fine at my rank.

What I am unable to understand is, if I can drug, why can't others? I mean everyone went through the same rank ladder, then why do some have 5k supplies of each while some don't even have 50? The only problem of drugging is this difference. If everyone on a battle could drug, it would all come down to skill i.e. Who uses which supply, and when? This is also how the devs intended it to be. Anyway, a much appreciated solution to this would be making PRO battle pass cheaper at lower ranks.

[saad455 70]

why do you say that, have you another account of generalissimo or you just think so?

i got somany frind on skype and cousins as well they play tanki one of my cousin is  who recently ranked  but also think there should be more rank

[samlauncher 106]

fun=win, when your team has low skilled players :mellow: , saboteurs, fly hackers, young children who cant follow the gameplay <_< , poor equipment, against a decently organised drugging team, no fun... -_-

[RustyNail 1,538]

fun=win, when your team has low skilled players :mellow: , saboteurs, fly hackers, young children who cant follow the gameplay <_< , poor equipment, against a decently organised drugging team, no fun... -_-

That is correct, but there are some - and more than some - occasions that even if you lose it's alot of fun. Say you lose a battle 4 to 7 flags, with lots of killing for both teams and balanced skill between teams. Then it's alright. Everyone gets a fair share of crystals and joy.

While, on another occasion, you lose a battle 4 to 7 flags as well but with opponent team heavily drugging or 1-2 players only drugging heavily (it can lead to same results) and in regard to score, your team has a normal distribution of kills per player while the opponent team has one or two players with more than 50 or 60% of total kills AND flags captured... They get the winner's share and most of the crystals and joy. How fun is that?

And it's not only the players' fault (for being druggers) but Tanki's as well for letting them drug so heavily or - even more - for selling the supplies kits.

 

To make matters even worse, you can complain for that and there comes a noob telling you to go play XP battles or worse, go buy a supplies kit... OMG... (Facepalm)

[RustyNail 1,538]

But one can speculate the shrink of fun simply by making one thought. The thought that "if wandering the forum and commenting in topics is preferable to playing, then something is wrong with playing".

 

In regard to me it's a huge truth. I would be much less time here complaining if I had more fun in battles. Actually, manty times - including today - I left a battle frustrated and came here to see what's on.... -_-

[beaku 2,656]

^ I have no complaints about the game and yet I am active on forum everyday. There is no relation.

[Cor7y 13,862]

My problem isn't exactly crystals. My problem is that I can't find any good battles of my rank and the ones that I find are already dominated :(

[SicTransitGloria 76]

But one can speculate the shrink of fun simply by making one thought. The thought that "if wandering the forum and commenting in topics is preferable to playing, then something is wrong with playing".

 

In regard to me it's a huge truth. I would be much less time here complaining if I had more fun in battles. Actually, manty times - including today - I left a battle frustrated and came here to see what's on.... -_-

Actually, I've quit playing entirely. The Tanki forum is my only connection. I only hope that someday Tanki will make a turnaround, a shift for something better, but that hope is fading with the weeks. Perhaps I'll abandon even the forum soon...

[CrimsonSaviour 40]

^Let us wait for unity version and see if it's better.... :)

[RustyNail 1,538]

^Let us wait for unity version and see if it's better.... :)

What good will it be? Graphics is not my problem, the big demand for crystals is.

[RustyNail 1,538]

Another day that after two futile efforts to participate in a battle but failed, due to rapid bloom of the winning team and rapid abandon of the losing one, I ended playing with another one or two players against 6 or 7... (who where drugging, as if that was necessary!)..

Mind you, in the beginning the teams where balanced. Now, how can one team losing members and at the same time the other team gaining members, is really beyond my understanding. Are there raiders with alt accounts ready for taking over battles? Maybe yes, maybe no. It doesn't matter really, all it matters is that for me, no more Tanki for today.

 

(total time logging in, less than 10 minutes)

Edited March 17, 2015 by RustyNail

[swede1 1,726]

Another day that after two futile efforts to participate in a battle but failed, due to rapid bloom of the wining team and rapid abandon of the losing one, I ended playing with another one or two players against 6 or 7... (who where drugging, as if that was necessary!)..

Mind you, in the beginning the teams where balanced. Now, how can one team losing members and at the same time the other team gaining members, is really beyond my understanding. Are there raiders with alt accounts ready for taking over battles? Maybe yes, maybe no. It doesn't matter really, all it matters is that for me, no more Tanki for today.

 

(total time logging in, less than 10 minutes)

Yeah, Fixed battles are happening everywhere, If I don't have at least 3 or 4 friends to battle with me, I just log off, going solo to battles is just too frustrating, you might find one good battle in 2hrs of searching, I find the best is to watch for good full battles and try and join when an opening comes up, or wait for next round, usually a good battle will last 2-3 rounds.