Be Vegetarian!

[fighter309 384]

Some Vegan food look really delicious. I learned a lot from the VeganAtheist's youtube channel ^_^

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[fighter309 384]

Like others have said before, its a food chain, fish eat bacteria, bacteria has feelings too, just because they are 100x smaller than viruses and are microscopically small does not exclude them from feeling pain, those animals hunt other animals for food Bacteria are not sentient species, meaning that do not feel pain, have emotions, involve in play or have any desires of some sort. Yes, vegetarians understand that it is a food chain, but those animals that hunt do so to survive. We are omnivores, meaning we can digest both meat and plants, but that does not necessarily mean we must eat meat in order to survive. Those hunters have features such as claws and sharp fangs to hunt down meat. We just have a superior brain.

 

So its fair, people who are vegertarians don't actually live as long as someone who includes everything in their diet, vegertarians are just cry babies

Ad-hominem attacks hardly prove a point. They make as much sense as calling druggers 'no-skill losers' and non-athletes 'nerds'. I'd suggest to drop that down as it just spreads hate and not support your views in any way. I am not a vegetarian or vegan, YET, but life has its way of turning tables around; for better or for worse (: 

[CooperO 7,956]

Three things.

 

1. I think it's a pity some of you seem to think animals for meat consumption are being turtured to death, that they're treated badly etc. In an animal is treated badly, wounded, or not fed enough, the animal won't grow well. This means less profit being made. Farmers take care of their animals, they try to prevent them getting sick and they give them proper food to make them grow effectively. Another factor that has to be taken into account is the stress level. The more stressed an animal is before slaughter, the lesser the quality of the meat. Yet another reason to treat the animals well.

 

2. Some of you are talking about the impact of meat production on the environment. What about dairy production? It has a huge impact also. Besides, technically, milk is for new-borns to grow strong and healthy, it's not really meant for teenagers and adults. (I'm not saying it's not healthy, that's a completely different debate) 
Anyhow, why not all become vegans then? Poor cows needing to give birth every year to produce milk (or every 2 years), poor chickens needing to produce an egg every 25-26 hours and of course poor pigs being killed before they get old enough to die of natural causes or diseases.

 

3. One other thing I'd like to share, our bowels aren't made to digest only plants, they're made to digest a little bit of everything. Compare human bowels to e.g. dog bowels and horse bowels.

[Paratrix 68]

Three things.

 

1. I think it's a pity some of you seem to think animals for meat consumption are being turtured to death, that they're treated badly etc. In an animal is treated badly, wounded, or not fed enough, the animal won't grow well. This means less profit being made. Farmers take care of their animals, they try to prevent them getting sick and they give them proper food to make them grow effectively. Another factor that has to be taken into account is the stress level. The more stressed an animal is before slaughter, the lesser the quality of the meat. Yet another reason to treat the animals well.

 

2. Some of you are talking about the impact of meat production on the environment. What about dairy production? It has a huge impact also. Besides, technically, milk is for new-borns to grow strong and healthy, it's not really meant for teenagers and adults. (I'm not saying it's not healthy, that's a completely different debate) 

Anyhow, why not all become vegans then? Poor cows needing to give birth every year to produce milk (or every 2 years), poor chickens needing to produce an egg every 25-26 hours and of course poor pigs being killed before they get old enough to die of natural causes or diseases.

 

3. One other thing I'd like to share, our bowels aren't made to digest only plants, they're made to digest a little bit of everything. Compare human bowels to e.g. dog bowels and horse bowels.

1. I was talking about when the animals are actually slaughtered and how it is done. Stress level makes the actual meat taste worse or better? Do you have proof of this? Just as bad as the reasons for halal meat. Look up a video of a slaughter house and tell me that the animals aren't extremely stressed and absolutely terrified. 

 

2.I completely agree with that. That's why I'm vegan

 

3. Just because our bodies might be made to consume meat, doesn't mean we must have it to survive. We don't need to eat me, so why put the animals through such suffering. 

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[CooperO 7,956]

1. I was talking about when the animals are actually slaughtered and how it is done. Stress level makes the actual meat taste worse or better? Do you have proof of this? Just as bad as the reasons for halal meat. Look up a video of a slaughter house and tell me that the animals aren't extremely stressed and absolutely terrified. 

 

2.I completely agree with that. That's why I'm vegan

 

3. Just because our bodies might be made to consume meat, doesn't mean we must have it to survive. We don't need to eat me, so why put the animals through such suffering. 

1. Increased stress levels can have different effects on meat, but none of them improve the quality. It's not solid proof, but I got this information from  different scientific articles. In general, these sources are trustworthy. (you can find articles on sites like sciencedirect)

Video's on youtube can be biased, many video creators only show one side or one case of a story. What I'm trying to say is, you could have been looking at a worst case scenario instead of a common scenario.

 

2. I recall you saying you were a vegetarian... By the way, a cow getting a calf every year and a chicken laying eggs is nature. Only 'problem' with dairy cows is that they're bred to produce more milk, and chickens are bred to produce more eggs. Doesn't make them sad though.

 

3. True we don't need meat to survive, but that doesn't mean meat isn't good for us. Although it wouldn't hurt at all if certain people started eating a little less meat. 

[Paratrix 68]

1. Increased stress levels can have different effects on meat, but none of them improve the quality. It's not solid proof, but I got this information from  different scientific articles. In general, these sources are trustworthy. (you can find articles on sites like sciencedirect)

Video's on youtube can be biased, many video creators only show one side or one case of a story. What I'm trying to say is, you could have been looking at a worst case scenario instead of a common scenario.

 

2. I recall you saying you were a vegetarian... By the way, a cow getting a calf every year and a chicken laying eggs is nature. Only 'problem' with dairy cows is that they're bred to produce more milk, and chickens are bred to produce more eggs. Doesn't make them sad though.

 

3. True we don't need meat to survive, but that doesn't mean meat isn't good for us. Although it wouldn't hurt at all if certain people started eating a little less meat. 

1.Check the post above yours

 

2. All vegans are vegetarians, I called myself a vegetarian because this topic is about vegetarianism and many might not know what a vegan is.

 

3. We can have just as much of a healthy life style being vegetarian as we can eating meat. We shouldn't put the animals through that suffering if it's not necessary, it all comes down to pleasure and laziness. 

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[CooperO 7,956]

To all of you who eat meat... remember.. this is because of you...

I BEG all of you to watch.

 

CooperO please watch this and then tell me that there is no stress, no torture, no suffering. Tell me that these animals are treated well.

 

I really am ashamed to live amongst such disgusting and vile people

 

-Go Vegan!

See who made that video. It's biased. It only shows some worst case scenario's and paints them as the general picture. People believe what they want to believe and only look for comfirmation, not for stories that show a different side. I know there's many many animal suffering in the world, but it's not commonly found in dairy farms or meat production farms. At least not where I come from.

 

 

1.Check the post above yours

 

2. All vegans are vegetarians, I called myself a vegetarian because this topic is about vegetarianism and many might not know what a vegan is.

 

3. We can have just as much of a health life style being vegetarian as we can eating meat. We shouldn't put the animals through that suffering if it's not necessary, it all comes down to pleasure and laziness. 

 

1. Like I said, it's a biased video.

 

2. True, but not all vegetarians are vegans, that's why I was wondering which of the two you were.

 

3. I never said vegans or vegetarians aren't healthy, I'm sure many of them are healthier than people that do eat meat. However, that's not because of the fact that they eat meat, it's because most vegans and vegetarians are much more aware of what they eat, compared to people that aren't. I don't really see what it has to do with pleasure and laziness though. Are you saying eating a carrot isn't pleasure for you? Or eating an apple? For me it is. And if I'm lazy and don't feel like cooking, I eat a carrot, paprika, or some other vegetable and some rice, instead of preparing some entire meal with meat.

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[I.Devastation 2,053]

After reading this topic I realized something... I should eat more meat.

[Paratrix 68]

See who made that video. It's biased. It only shows some worst case scenario's and paints them as the general picture. People believe what they want to believe and only look for comfirmation, not for stories that show a different side. I know there's many many animal suffering in the world, but it's not commonly found in dairy farms or meat production farms. At least not where I come from.

 

 

 

1. Like I said, it's a biased video.

 

2. True, but not all vegetarians are vegans, that's why I was wondering which of the two you were.

 

3. I never said vegans or vegetarians aren't healthy, I'm sure many of them are healthier than people that do eat meat. However, that's not because of the fact that they eat meat, it's because most vegans and vegetarians are much more aware of what they eat, compared to people that aren't. I don't really see what it has to do with pleasure and laziness though. Are you saying eating a carrot isn't pleasure for you? Or eating an apple? For me it is. And if I'm lazy and don't feel like cooking, I eat a carrot, paprika, or some other vegetable and some rice, instead of preparing some entire meal with meat.

1. Have you been inside slaughter houses, do you know what they're like? There are many videos that show animals being abused in slaughter houses but very few if any at all that show them being treated well. I have proof, you have none (that you've shown). TheVeganAtheist is fairy unbiased shown from his other videos - for example, his "stupid vegan comments" videos. 

There are so many videos that show animal cruelity, it must be done on quite a large scale

 

2. Ok (:

 

3.I'm saying that usually the reason that people aren't vegetarian is because they find eating meat very pleasurable or too lazy to find an alternative.(when shopping or making home-made vegetarian alternatives)

 

But I do admit that it often comes down to people being uneducated or them just not caring about other species

[Paratrix 68]

After reading this topic I realized something... I should eat more meat.

How and what has made you decide to eat more meat?

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[DonutsForLife 292]

Sorreh, i love kfc too much. xD

[I.Devastation 2,053]

How and what has made you decide to eat more meat?

 

I don't eat enough

 

Although I have heard that being vegetarian has its benefits, having everyone become a vegetarian would completely devastate the world economy. Animal farms, fisheries, restaurants, grocery stores, meat packing companies, advertisements, kid food, etc. would all go out of business due to lack of demand. As a result, people would lose their jobs, causing their to be an international unemployment. Not just that, but companies that manufacture goods and materials used in farms, ships, restaurants, etc. would not have demand as well, causing their market to go down. Also, the number of livestock in the world is so great that they are a major factor in global warming. Letting them alone to reproduce would hurt the environment not just through temperature rises but also from grazing, introducing animals into unnatural habitats, etc. Also, the world is not prepared per say to feed everyone who goes vegetarian. Also, the policies concerning welfare, school lunches, etc. would not have the resources to change right away. This could stall schools, cafeterias, etc. As a result, people would go hungry. Also, there is a concern of a global drought that is taking place. I'm not sure if there is even enough water to grow all those vegetables.

 

So for those reasons, although I would love to go vegetarian, and for the fate of the world, I have no choice but to eat meat!

 

 

Well, human beings have been eating meat for millions of years. Now you want to stop them from doing that? Good luck :P .

But seriously, meat contains some important nutrients which vegetation does not contain, so for having a normally functioning organism you sometimes have to eat meat.

 

 

 

*grabs the chicken leg*

 

 

 

 

 

You can't live without protein, your body needs it. If you cut protein off, it will cause some serious diseases, including cancer. You say that you want to rescue animals, but don't forget that animals eat animals. That's the rule of the nature.

 

 

 

 

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[Paratrix 68]

Ahha did you not read my replies? Especially about the health issues.

[splitterpoint 10,986]

 If I would turn into a vegetarian, I would definitely NOT do it because of animal suffering.

 There are so much better reasons to start eating plants, leafs,  wood, trees, rocks, and whatnot.

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[Paratrix 68]

 If I would turn into a vegetarian, I would definitely NOT do it because of animal suffering.

 There are so much better reasons to start eating plants, leafs,  wood, trees, rocks, and whatnot.

You're saying that there are better reasons to eat rocks? Emm, what?

[jazz20 1,181]

I'll be honest, this is slowly turning into, if not already, a verbal war. Everyone is entitled to do whatever they wish to their body. If people really cared about the health benefits from being vegetarian, why not debate why smoking, which is an even bigger problem? Just saying......

[I.Devastation 2,053]

Ahha did you not read my replies? Especially about the health issues.

If that's to me, I did, but I didn't find them very convincing

[Paratrix 68]

I'll be honest, this is slowly turning into, if not already, a verbal war. Everyone is entitled to do whatever they wish to their body. If people really cared about the health benefits from being vegetarian, why not debate why smoking, which is an even bigger problem? Just saying......

I don't see how this is turning into a verbal war at all. It seems like a fairly intellectual debate. You might find smoking a bigger problem but I do not. When people smoke, they're killing themselves. When we eat meat, we're killing innocent animals. 

[ThouShallNot 963]

To all vegeterians: your not a cow, your a human, eats both meat and vegetables, your body needs meat.

[splitterpoint 10,986]

Well, eating meat has a huge impact on the environment, It takes so much energy (and water) to produce a pound of meat.

Animal welfare is far less important to me. 

 

I respect vegetarians for this; if we all would be vegetarians the carbon footprint for each human being would decrease drastically.

If only meat wasn't so freaking delicious.  :lol:

 

 and Plants are also considered as living things. When you get their roots out it hearts them. 

 

You've got to be kidding me... 

[ThouShallNot 963]

I don't see how this is turning into a verbal war at all. It seems like a fairly intellectual debate. You might find smoking a bigger problem but I do not. When people smoke, they're killing themselves. When we eat meat, we're killing innocent animals. 

Well thats how god made the ecosystem of earth...

[Paratrix 68]

If that's to me, I did, but I didn't find them very convincing

You don't find them convincing? But it's a fact that you can get protein without eating meat. 

 

"But seriously, meat contains some important nutrients which vegetation does not contain, so for having a normally functioning organism you sometimes have to eat meat."

 

There are millions of vegetarians that are "normally functioning" and are healthy and fit.

[ThouShallNot 963]

There are millions of vegetarians that are "normally functioning" and are healthy and fit.

Ya well all the vegetarians i've met are skinny 

[Paratrix 68]

 

Ya well all the vegetarians i've met are skinny

That proves nothing, it is possible to be healthy and fit as a vegetarian. Like I already showed you. The fact that most people who eat meat that I have met, are over weight doesn't prove anything either. So don't bother bringing such an argument up.

 

 

To all vegeterians: your not a cow, your a human, eats both meat and vegetables, your body needs meat.

Are you joking? Have you learned nothing from this thread? I am living proof that you do not need to eat meat. I have never eaten meat and I'm still here, so obviously your body does NOT need meat.