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[sirogo 3,624]

I join k C; rem got my skype

Adding you.

[Perfect_Skillsz 78]

Good Luck ;)

[T.O.T.A.L.W.A.R 581]

is there a plan to add the text of the skype chat here? or it's only for attendees ?

[sirogo 3,624]

Not really... Copy/Pasting all the Skype conversation here would take too much place..

Moreover, summaries of debates may be published.

If you want to see all the conversation and debate, just tell me to add you to the Skype conversation.

[sirogo 3,624]

Hello, tankers!

 

Ready for the second debate?

 

Date: 29/04/2015 

Time: 15:00 GMT (Contact me privately for desired changes)

Motion to be Debated: 'Would Artificial Intelligence be more beneficial then harmful for humans?'

Yes: @beaku & @jokersus.cava Contact me privately if you want to take part in the debate as "yes", and I'll add your name here).

No: @S.C.Y.T.H.E (Contact me privately if you want to take part in the debate as "no", and I'll add your name here).

Form of Debate: typed.

Edited April 29, 2015 by sirogo

[beaku 2,656]

Loved the debate... :wub:

[sirogo 3,624]

Nice debate guys! Thanks to everyone!

Motion: "Would Artificial Intelligence be more beneficial then harmful for humans?' (typed).

Participants:

Yes: @beaku & @jokersus.cava.

No: @S.C.Y.T.H.E.
Winner: Yes: @beaku & @jokersus.cava.

Top debater: @beaku 
 

Some excerpts of the debate:

 

 

@beaku

I would like to conclude by saying that AI is currently in a very primitive stage compared to what's it's future has in store. The road to Artificial Super Intelligence is not going to be easy. There are obviously big risks involved. But, the risks were much greater when Nuclear Weapons were being created. The real trouble would be when singularity is reached, I.e. AI becomes more intelligent than humans. But, guided along a correct path from the beginning, AI can be a helpful tool in resolving major issues like Political conflicts, environmental degradation etc.

@S.C.Y.T.H.E

My thoughts are: Artificial Intelligence is a powerful force, that could be used for good or bad. I think that it will be nearly impossible to control at first, and shocks, unemployment, and chaos may initially follow. I think that in the right situation, Artificial Intelligence could be a very beneficial tool, but I think that situation will not exist anytime soon.

@Reeco9

Here's another interesting bit about Skynet:

Skynet was originally activated by the military to control the national arsenal on August 4, 1997, and it began to learn at a geometric rate. At 2:14 a.m., EDT, on August 29, it gained self-awareness, and the panicking operators, realizing the extent of its abilities, tried to deactivate it. Skynet perceived this as an attack and came to the conclusion that all of humanity would attempt to destroy it. To defend itself against humanity, Skynet launched nuclear missiles under its command at Russia, which responded with a nuclear counter-attack against the U.S. and its allies. Consequent to the nuclear exchange, over three billion people were killed in an event that came to be known as Judgment Day.

Obviously this is all fiction, but the concepts of preservation behind a self-aware computer program are pretty rational

 

 

[ShOwStOpPeR_online 324]

Nice debate guys! Thanks to everyone!

Motion: "Would Artificial Intelligence be more beneficial then harmful for humans?' (typed).

Participants:

Yes: @beaku & @jokersus.cava.

No: @S.C.Y.T.H.E.

Winner: Yes: @beaku & @jokersus.cava.

Top debater: @beaku 

 

Some excerpts of the debate:

 

 

@beaku

I would like to conclude by saying that AI is currently in a very primitive stage compared to what's it's future has in store. The road to Artificial Super Intelligence is not going to be easy. There are obviously big risks involved. But, the risks were much greater when Nuclear Weapons were being created. The real trouble would be when singularity is reached, I.e. AI becomes more intelligent than humans. But, guided along a correct path from the beginning, AI can be a helpful tool in resolving major issues like Political conflicts, environmental degradation etc.

@S.C.Y.T.H.E

My thoughts are: Artificial Intelligence is a powerful force, that could be used for good or bad. I think that it will be nearly impossible to control at first, and shocks, unemployment, and chaos may initially follow. I think that in the right situation, Artificial Intelligence could be a very beneficial tool, but I think that situation will not exist anytime soon.

@Reeco9

Here's another interesting bit about Skynet:

Skynet was originally activated by the military to control the national arsenal on August 4, 1997, and it began to learn at a geometric rate. At 2:14 a.m., EDT, on August 29, it gained self-awareness, and the panicking operators, realizing the extent of its abilities, tried to deactivate it. Skynet perceived this as an attack and came to the conclusion that all of humanity would attempt to destroy it. To defend itself against humanity, Skynet launched nuclear missiles under its command at Russia, which responded with a nuclear counter-attack against the U.S. and its allies. Consequent to the nuclear exchange, over three billion people were killed in an event that came to be known as Judgment Day.

Obviously this is all fiction, but the concepts of preservation behind a self-aware computer program are pretty rational

 

 

Great Debate There

Sorry I couldn't Participate

[beaku 2,656]

Great Debate There

Sorry I couldn't Participate

I hope that you will be there next time. :)

[T.O.T.A.L.W.A.R 581]

How did it go ? , am sure that yes won this time.

[beaku 2,656]

The result has been posted. 'Yes' won.

[T.O.T.A.L.W.A.R 581]

The result has been posted. 'Yes' won.

Ohh i didn't read sirogo second post .. my bad.

 

"@beaku ........ The real trouble would be when singularity is reached,........ "

 

Do you watch or read too much ray kurzweil ??!!!... the singularity is pure sci-fi!!!!!!

 

[beaku 2,656]

Ohh i didn't read sirogo second post .. my bad.

 

"@beaku ........ The real trouble would be when singularity is reached,........ "

 

Do you watch or read too much ray kurzweil ??!!!... the singularity is pure sci-fi!!!!!!

 

I haven't heard of him at all. Nothing is Sci fi. I repeat: NOTHING. Everything you can imagine will be achieved within next 80-100 years.

[T.O.T.A.L.W.A.R 581]

Nothing is Sci fi. 

Spoken like a 10 yrs old. have you watched the video i provided ?? and do you know who is Noam Chomsky ???!!!! watch at 15:00

[r_priyangshu0 270]

I haven't heard of him at all. Nothing is Sci fi. I repeat: NOTHING. Everything you can imagine will be achieved within next 80-100 years.

Wait...everything I imagine, so I imagine a world where your statement is incorrect. Will that be achieved within the next 80-100 years too? :lol:

[beaku 2,656]

Spoken like a 10 yrs old. have you watched the video i provided ?? and do you know who is Noam Chomsky ???!!!! watch at 15:00

It still didn't change my opinion. We will reach singularity. I am sure of it. There was a time when flying was scientifically impossible. But we do have aircrafts now.

[beaku 2,656]

Wait...everything I imagine, so I imagine a world where your statement is incorrect. Will that be achieved within the next 80-100 years too? :lol:

There could be an alternate universe where time runs backwards. It could be possible there.

[T.O.T.A.L.W.A.R 581]

It still didn't change my opinion. We will reach singularity. I am sure of it. There was a time when flying was scientifically impossible. But we do have aircrafts now.

Do you have any evidence to support your argument regarding singularity inevitability.

The analogy of the aircraft here is irrelevant to say the least and certainly you don't have the credibility to

Proof or disproof that the singularity will ever happen. science is different from faith kiddo.  

 

So what do we have here ... the argument of Noam chomsky who has a context-free grammer

named after him,(Chomsky normal form), is a cognitive scientist , linguist ...etc whose works has

helped many scientific fields including A.I and the argument of Beaku who from his writing style

we can deduce that he is under 14 and know very little about computer science let alone A.I.

 

I think Noam chomsky won this argument.

[sirogo 3,624]

Do you have any evidence to support your argument regarding singularity inevitability.

The analogy of the aircraft here is irrelevant to say the least and certainly you don't have the credibility to

Proof or disproof that the singularity will ever happen. science is different from faith kiddo.  

 

So what do we have here ... the argument of Noam chomsky who has a context-free grammer

named after him,(Chomsky normal form), is a cognitive scientist , linguist ...etc whose works has

helped many scientific fields including A.I and the argument of Beaku who from his writing style

we can deduce that he is under 14 and know very little about computer science let alone A.I.

 

I think Noam chomsky won this argument.

Science is different from faith, indeed, but he expressed his opinion, not a scientific fact. You just said it, it's different, so why do you start speaking about scientific facts?

 

So, maybe your Noam chomsky is right, but no one can be sure of that. There's no winner when it comes to discuss things without a correct answer, although we determine who is the winner depending upon their debating skills, which we're not doing right now.

[T.O.T.A.L.W.A.R 581]

Science is different from faith, indeed, but he expressed his opinion, not a scientific fact. You just said it, it's different, so why do you start speaking about scientific facts?

 

Well we are speaking about A.I here a science and he has drawn a conclusion of the possibility of a

singularity as a result of advancement in A.I , he needs to provide scientific evidence for this conclusion

For his argument to be valid !!!!!.

 

 

So, maybe your Noam chomsky is right, 

He is not mine , he is for the whole world to share and the fact that you don't know him speaks volumes about

The quality of the last debate!!! since he is very relevant to the debate subject matter.

 

 

 but no one can be sure of that. There's no winner when it comes to discuss things without a correct answer, 

Hypothesis needs evidence for them to be either supported or refuted the correct answer was given by noam

Chomsky, beaku argument argument is "am right , you will see!" and he is telling us that things will happen

In 80-100 yrs for sure, now that is not a sound argument!.

 

 

although we determine who is the winner depending upon their debating skills, which we're not doing right now.

 

I wasn't questioning the debate results or the debate judging committee! i was refuting a statement

He made... which as i said in the first post the singularity is pure sci-fi. and i provided evidence to support my statement.

[ShOwStOpPeR_online 324]

I hope that you will be there next time. :)

Ya i will be, But pls make sure that you message me throuugh the forum, If I didnt see the Skype Message, only if u r free

[beaku 2,656]

Ya i will be, But pls make sure that you message me throuugh the forum, If I didnt see the Skype Message, only if u r free

Sure. :)

[beaku 2,656]

~Le big argument~

I seriously don't care how many scientists like him deny facts. I write like a 14 year old because I choose to do so. If I start explaining everything here, debate might as well be conducted on forum. Just go back 300 years and tell the most respected scientist of that time that you can talk to someone millions of miles away wireless. They'd probably chop your head off! If there is a concept it like singularity, it will be reached, no matter how many Noams try to deny it. I speak this from experience. Many such people completely denied existence of Higgs Boson until it was found.

[r_davinson46463a0 147]

I need more popcorn...

[beaku 2,656]

Also, you are unaware of the debate itself. It was only at the end that S.C.Y.T.H.E. introduced the concept of Singularity and I used it in my final statement. If you wish to debate or feel that you are better debater than us, feel free to join us as a participant or a listener. (Technically, a reader :p)